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Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey

bent_jyllinge
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John Hollamby" <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Bill and Judy,
I have some friends who were going to spend a few days holiday in Turkey with their children.I have just received a couple of messages forwarded from Turks warning about the troubles from which it would appear that things could get worse not better on the basis that many are unhappy about the trend away from the secular state to an Islamic one.
Do you have any views for those who were intending to sail to Turkey this season?

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Malta
I was in Istanbul the week before last, when it was supposed to be quite a lot of trouble. I saw nothing. My colleague and his wife even went for a sightseeing to the Taksim Square, they saw nothing. I think it will be OK....


Stern tube bearing

bent_jyllinge
 

I am not quite sure if this is the correct English term. I have also seen cutlass bearing and shaft log. I am refereing to the bearing in the stern tube, where the prop shaft enters the sea.

In my Mango this bearing is bronze, and I would like to replace it due to wear. The only bearing I can find with the correct outer dimension is a rubber bearing.

Will this be as good as the bronze one, maybe todays standard is a rubber bearing?


Re: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Allan, my love affair with CRC/WD40 began 15 years ago on a previous boat. A salt water hose burst and liberally dosed the alternator with floods of salt water. Understandably it objected and stopped working. On the basis that fresh water had to be better than salt, on arrival back at the mooring I poured liberal quantities of fresh water over the alternator. Then, again thinking it had to be better than water I emptied a can of CRC (WD40) into it and the alternator never mised a beat for the next 9 years. I cannot agree that it attracts water. Yes it is not a rust preventative to the degree that inox may be but it surely displaces water.
I would appreciate it if you would try spraying inox into alternators and electric motors and let me know the result because I would be a bit nervous to do that but it my well be OK.
While I am sure it waits to leap up and attack me, I have not to date had any of the conectivity issues many other Amels  have had around the electrics in the engine room and rightly or wrongly I put it down to my CRC/WD40 regimen.
Really hope you are enjoying your new boat and it is great to have your experienced input to the forum.
Kind regards
Danny
SM299
Ocean Pearl.
Currently  17.38 S 178.34 E Fiji   
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To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

 
Hi Danny,

I understand what you are saying here, but I would NEVER use WD40 on anything that I wanted not to corrode. WD40 might be fine at dispersing the water initially , but its chemical makeup makes it hydrophilic (ie it attracts water), better in my humble opinion to use a product that it is intrinsically hydrophobic (ie repels water) like INOX...I don't carry WD 40.
If you want to test the theory, get an old rusty tool, wire brush all the rust off it, spray it with WD40 and in 6 months I guarantee it will be rusty again...do the same with INOX and it will be a looooong time before you see any signs of rust again.

Cheers from Port Vila
Hi to Yvonne

All the best
Alan
SY Elyse SM437

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi All,
these sort of problems arise from corrosion in our salt laden atmosphere, any electrical connection is vulnerable. The answer is to liberally and regularly spray all connections, alternators and electric engines in the engine room with WD40 or in NZ CRC 5.56. (It feels strange to spray a liquid into an electric motor but it works) Avoid rubber componants as much as possible (not vital) DO NOT use lubricant enhanced products, as these may be electrically conductive with resultant issues. They may be longer lasting in stopping rust but that is not our issue here 
WD 40 (WD = water dispersant) It gets in below and replaces it.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Ovalau Island Fiji 


________________________________
From: Giovanni Testa <gtesta23@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

 


Hi to all,
at sunset , sailing Water Bligh, Fiji, I had to start my Yanmar to go to anchorage. Nothing…no engine. At the moment I remembered a similar situation when we were sailing Eolie, Italy. It was the ground solenoid fault. A W40 spray under the black rubber cover button solved the problem. And it was also in this very adrenalitic situation.
Now for me it is enough ! I want to eliminate/ bypass the ground solenoid.
Any suggestions ?
If I directly connect the 2 black cables, what about the others little cables arriving to solenoid ?
May I have problem to switch off the engine ?
Thanks so much in advance
Giovanni TESTA
Sv EUTIKIA, SM2K n 428






isolated ground mdkav generator

kimberlite@...
 

It might be old age catching up with me, but i think i recall seeing a post about the fact that the heat
exchanger on this generator is electrically isolated from the grounding of the generator.
. I believe on my generator there is a braided strap connected from the heat
exchanger to the pan of the generator..is this correct.?
possibly the entire generator is isolated from the negative side of the battery bank except when the engine starts?????


Re: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

minaxi53
 

I use Lanolin, if its good enough for baby bums, it's good enough for electrical connections.
Bob
Minaxi sm6

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I understand what you are saying here, but I would NEVER use WD40 on anything that I wanted not to corrode. WD40 might be fine at dispersing the water initially , but its chemical makeup makes it hydrophilic (ie it attracts water), better in my humble opinion to use a product that it is intrinsically hydrophobic (ie repels water) like INOX...I don't carry WD 40.
If you want to test the theory, get an old rusty tool, wire brush all the rust off it, spray it with WD40 and in 6 months I guarantee it will be rusty again...do the same with INOX and it will be a looooong time before you see any signs of rust again.

Cheers from Port Vila
Hi to Yvonne

All the best
Alan
SY Elyse SM437


--- In amelyachtowners@..., Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@> wrote:

Hi All,
these sort of problems arise from corrosion in our salt laden atmosphere, any electrical connection is vulnerable. The answer is to liberally and regularly spray all connections, alternators and electric engines in the engine room with WD40 or in NZ CRC 5.56. (It feels strange to spray a liquid into an electric motor but it works) Avoid rubber componants as much as possible (not vital) DO NOT use lubricant enhanced products, as these may be electrically conductive with resultant issues. They may be longer lasting in stopping rust but that is not our issue here 
WD 40 (WD = water dispersant) It gets in below and replaces it.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Ovalau Island Fiji 


________________________________
From: Giovanni Testa <gtesta23@>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

 


Hi to all,
at sunset , sailing Water Bligh, Fiji, I had to start my Yanmar to go to anchorage. Nothing…no engine. At the moment I remembered a similar situation when we were sailing Eolie, Italy. It was the ground solenoid fault. A W40 spray under the black rubber cover button solved the problem. And it was also in this very adrenalitic situation.
Now for me it is enough ! I want to eliminate/ bypass the ground solenoid.
Any suggestions ?
If I directly connect the 2 black cables, what about the others little cables arriving to solenoid ?
May I have problem to switch off the engine ?
Thanks so much in advance
Giovanni TESTA
Sv EUTIKIA, SM2K n 428






Re: YANMAR SOLENOID

Mark Erdos
 

From experience with a previous boat: I found that starting the engine
repeatedly with a battery that is not fully charged or has too low
cranking amps can cause the solenoid to stick and fail.

MarK
SM2K #275
www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Danny,

I understand what you are saying here, but I would NEVER use WD40 on anything that I wanted not to corrode. WD40 might be fine at dispersing the water initially , but its chemical makeup makes it hydrophilic (ie it attracts water), better in my humble opinion to use a product that it is intrinsically hydrophobic (ie repels water) like INOX...I don't carry WD 40.
If you want to test the theory, get an old rusty tool, wire brush all the rust off it, spray it with WD40 and in 6 months I guarantee it will be rusty again...do the same with INOX and it will be a looooong time before you see any signs of rust again.

Cheers from Port Vila
Hi to Yvonne

All the best
Alan
SY Elyse SM437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi All,
these sort of problems arise from corrosion in our salt laden atmosphere, any electrical connection is vulnerable. The answer is to liberally and regularly spray all connections, alternators and electric engines in the engine room with WD40 or in NZ CRC 5.56. (It feels strange to spray a liquid into an electric motor but it works) Avoid rubber componants as much as possible (not vital) DO NOT use lubricant enhanced products, as these may be electrically conductive with resultant issues. They may be longer lasting in stopping rust but that is not our issue here 
WD 40 (WD = water dispersant) It gets in below and replaces it.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Ovalau Island Fiji 


________________________________
From: Giovanni Testa <gtesta23@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

 


Hi to all,
at sunset , sailing Water Bligh, Fiji, I had to start my Yanmar to go to anchorage. Nothing…no engine. At the moment I remembered a similar situation when we were sailing Eolie, Italy. It was the ground solenoid fault. A W40 spray under the black rubber cover button solved the problem. And it was also in this very adrenalitic situation.
Now for me it is enough ! I want to eliminate/ bypass the ground solenoid.
Any suggestions ?
If I directly connect the 2 black cables, what about the others little cables arriving to solenoid ?
May I have problem to switch off the engine ?
Thanks so much in advance
Giovanni TESTA
Sv EUTIKIA, SM2K n 428




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Re: [Amel] YANMAR SOLENOID

kimberlite@...
 

I had a similar problem this week. the engine upon starting made a funy noise for a few seconds
on thetrip to he caribbean the engine would not start, we eplaced the ignition sritchm,'and the valeo contactor,

still we had the strange noise. while chabging the bets on the engine alternators zi startedthe engine without the belts.

still the same noise. y=thid =seliminated a problem with the fresh water pump and the alternators. i then replaced the raw water pump. same noise. i was about to give up and then erlt the stater moter when it startrted, the bendix and solenoid were hanging up. i changed the starter moor
problem solved. i re installed the old contactor and old starter switch and everythu=ing was fine. i guess the solenoid on the stater was intermittant./
Ps I keep all these spares on board.
eric
sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Date: Friday, July 5, 2013 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] YANMAR SOLENOID
To: "amelyachtowners@..."

Hi again, the WD40/ CRC is prevention rather than cure, regular
use stops the problems arising. When you have the problem it is
a case of find, remove, clean, reassemble.
regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


________________________________
From: Giovanni Testa
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013 8:05 AM
Subject: [Amel] YANMAR SOLENOID



Hi to all,
Thanks K Mike and Danny for your suggestions about.
Normally it works ( W40 ) but my decision is to avoid any
dangerous situation :
When you need the engine it must start, always. Two failure
starts for me are enough.
The last with a new solenoid ( less than 1 year ).
So the question is how to by bass the solenoid without have
collateral problems with the start and stop procedures.
My intention is to connect directly the right segment ( stern)
black cable to the left stud with the other part of ground
cable. The others cables remaining where they are.
I'll reset the original connections if the boat will be alone
for a long term .
Same problem with Onan solenoidI have replace it with a new one
after many problem with the old one ( I opened and refitted it).
But, normally, you have all the time you need to adjust the situation.
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated.
Buon Vento
Giovanni & Marina
Sv EUTIKIA SM2K n 428




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Re: [Amel] YANMAR SOLENOID

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again, the WD40/ CRC is prevention rather than cure, regular use stops the problems arising. When you have the problem it is a case of find, remove, clean, reassemble.
regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


________________________________
From: Giovanni Testa <gtesta23@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013 8:05 AM
Subject: [Amel] YANMAR SOLENOID

 

Hi to all,
Thanks K Mike and Danny for your suggestions about.
Normally it works ( W40 ) but my decision is to avoid any dangerous situation :
When you need the engine it must start, always. Two failure starts for me are enough.
The last with a new solenoid ( less than 1 year ).
So the question is how to by bass the solenoid without have collateral problems with the start and stop procedures.
My intention is to connect directly the right segment ( stern) black cable to the left stud with the other part of ground cable. The others cables remaining where they are.
I'll reset the original connections if the boat will be alone for a long term .
Same problem with Onan solenoid…I have replace it with a new one after many problem with the old one ( I opened and refitted it). But, normally, you have all the time you need to adjust the situation.
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated.
Buon Vento
Giovanni & Marina
Sv EUTIKIA SM2K n 428


YANMAR SOLENOID

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi to all,
Thanks K Mike and Danny for your suggestions about.
Normally it works ( W40 ) but my decision is to avoid any dangerous situation :
When you need the engine it must start, always. Two failure starts for me are enough.
The last with a new solenoid ( less than 1 year ).
So the question is how to by bass the solenoid without have collateral problems with the start and stop procedures.
My intention is to connect directly the right segment ( stern) black cable to the left stud with the other part of ground cable. The others cables remaining where they are.
I'll reset the original connections if the boat will be alone for a long term .
Same problem with Onan solenoid…I have replace it with a new one after many problem with the old one ( I opened and refitted it). But, normally, you have all the time you need to adjust the situation.
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated.
Buon Vento
Giovanni & Marina
Sv EUTIKIA SM2K n 428


Lite Composite Gas Tanks

ladyannila <kanalmamman@...>
 

http://www.passagemaker.com/articles/trawler-news/government-trawler-news/lite-composite-gas-tanks-recalled-company-insolvent/

Got this URL from a friend, thought it could be useful info for mainly you in USA and Carabbien

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232 in Dedokanese, Greece


Re: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

karkauai
 

Got it, thanks Richard.
On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi Kent I think that what is going on is when you use the two spare halyards you need to take very good care not to WRAP the horns. Sometimes it takes a bit of doing to get them on the "front" side so you are clear. and when you done take care that they are put back behind the horns so they lines don't wrap. So the long and the short is look up. All the way up.
In Newport RI on SM 209
Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 4, 2013, at 18:04, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Trevor. Guess I've been lucky so far ... Will start paying more attention when I reef the jib.
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:32 PM, "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,
It happens fairly frequently when you have an extra halyard fitted to the mast head if you don't pay attention to the halyard it can get caught in behind the bars or "horns" as Amel refer to them.
Especially when it is windy and you want to reef the main, then occasionally
the spare halyard gets twisted around the bar and or the foil and the point of least resistance is the threads and the bar snaps.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
Ireland

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@ wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802
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Re: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi All,
these sort of problems arise from corrosion in our salt laden atmosphere, any electrical connection is vulnerable. The answer is to liberally and regularly spray all connections, alternators and electric engines in the engine room with WD40 or in NZ CRC 5.56. (It feels strange to spray a liquid into an electric motor but it works) Avoid rubber componants as much as possible (not vital) DO NOT use lubricant enhanced products, as these may be electrically conductive with resultant issues. They may be longer lasting in stopping rust but that is not our issue here 
WD 40 (WD = water dispersant) It gets in below and replaces it.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Ovalau Island Fiji 


________________________________
From: Giovanni Testa <gtesta23@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: [Amel] Yanmar ground solenoid

 


Hi to all,
at sunset , sailing Water Bligh, Fiji, I had to start my Yanmar to go to anchorage. Nothing…no engine. At the moment I remembered a similar situation when we were sailing Eolie, Italy. It was the ground solenoid fault. A W40 spray under the black rubber cover button solved the problem. And it was also in this very adrenalitic situation.
Now for me it is enough ! I want to eliminate/ bypass the ground solenoid.
Any suggestions ?
If I directly connect the 2 black cables, what about the others little cables arriving to solenoid ?
May I have problem to switch off the engine ?
Thanks so much in advance
Giovanni TESTA
Sv EUTIKIA, SM2K n 428


Re: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Kent I think that what is going on is when you use the two spare halyards you need to take very good care not to WRAP the horns. Sometimes it takes a bit of doing to get them on the "front" side so you are clear. and when you done take care that they are put back behind the horns so they lines don't wrap. So the long and the short is look up. All the way up.
In Newport RI on SM 209
Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 4, 2013, at 18:04, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Trevor. Guess I've been lucky so far ... Will start paying more attention when I reef the jib.
Kent
On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:32 PM, "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,
It happens fairly frequently when you have an extra halyard fitted to the mast head if you don't pay attention to the halyard it can get caught in behind the bars or "horns" as Amel refer to them.
Especially when it is windy and you want to reef the main, then occasionally
the spare halyard gets twisted around the bar and or the foil and the point of least resistance is the threads and the bar snaps.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
Ireland

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@ wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802
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Re: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

karkauai
 

Thanks Trevor. Guess I've been lucky so far ... Will start paying more attention when I reef the jib.
Kent
On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:32 PM, "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,
It happens fairly frequently when you have an extra halyard fitted to the mast head if you don't pay attention to the halyard it can get caught in behind the bars or "horns" as Amel refer to them.
Especially when it is windy and you want to reef the main, then occasionally
the spare halyard gets twisted around the bar and or the foil and the point of least resistance is the threads and the bar snaps.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
Ireland

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@ wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802
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[Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

Hi Kent,
It happens fairly frequently when you have an extra halyard fitted to the mast head if you don't pay attention to the halyard it can get caught in behind the bars or "horns" as Amel refer to them.
Especially when it is windy and you want to reef the main, then occasionally
the spare halyard gets twisted around the bar and or the foil and the point of least resistance is the threads and the bar snaps.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
Ireland

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@ wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802


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Re: yanmar exhaust (mixing) elbow.

Mark Erdos
 

I had to repair on the Yanmar 4JH4HTE due to a small pin hole on the weld. I noticed it when I rebuilt the turbocharger. I have <900 hrs on the engine. I repaired the unit with JB Weld HighHeat expoxy putty after wiping down with acetone. I put a ring of putty around the entire joint. I cleaned out the carbon build up with a dremmel (very messy).

I purchased two new ones from Mastry for about $500 ea. I will keep as spares in inventory.

Mark
SM2K #275
www.creampuff.us

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite@... wrote:

We are now on our third mixing elbow.
they seem to develop pinholes particularly near the mounting flange. last time we just welded over it now it needs to be replaced. has anyone else had this problem?
we have about 4500 hours on our engine.
Fair winds
eric
sm 376





[Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

Graham Boyd
 

I have now had 3 new bars constructed for my SM. The last 2 done in the last couple of days. The problem for us has been going "off the original Amel design". We had a special bracket made for the mast head so that we could run a halyard for a cruising chute in a sock. This has been a huge success given wind conditions and small distances here in Hong Kong and the fact we regularly race the boat in local events. We even won our class in the round HK island race last year ( the biggest yacht race in Asia) and have won several other events, but as we all know that is not what these boats were originally designed for! Our problem has been insufficient supervision (by me) of over enthusiastic crew causing the newly rigged cruising chute halyard to get entangled with the bars. I plan a visit to the mast head at the weekend to see if a retainer could be fitted as breaking these bars is becoming somewhat tedious.

Sula had an excellent trip to the Philippines over the winter doing what she really is designed for, extended cruising short handed, and needless to say she performed immaculately.

Graham Boyd
SM 140
Hong

ps I would love to hear from any other SM's taking part in local races in other parts of the world. These boats are very hard to handicap, as is any world cruiser.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Kent,
The answer is that I should have made a new one as original and not had a ss screw welded on the old one. Doing that now
Cheers,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@ wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802
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Re: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Kent,
The answer is that I should have made a new one as original and not had a ss screw welded on the old one. Doing that now
Cheers,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@... wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802
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Re: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer

karkauai
 

I wonder why so many problems? Sounds like something's not right with the way it's set up???

Has anyone else had these issues? Joel, any ideas? I've not heard of anyone having this problem.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA
On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ric Gottschalk <ric@...> wrote:

Had one bar where threaded end broke. Was fixed several times by welding (even before noon when they begin island drinking). Last time it broke, the double nuts chewed up 3" of
upper foil.
I like to think my overloaded Winnebago will go faster when healing less. Still agree with bars and limited distance for retainer. I will look into carbon fiber.
Now in Annapolis. July 20 going to Huntington yacht club, mystic, newport, Marthas, Nantucket and return in Aug.
Thanks,

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:54 AM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Ric,
Long time no see. Hope you are well.
What kind of breakage issue did you have?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Halyard retainer



Ric,

I have not been to the top of a Santorin, but if it is rigged anything like a Super Maramu, I do not think you have room for a halyard retainer. The swivel bars do a great job. They are simple and do not add a potential jamming block like the halyard retainer. In the entire scheme of things, the weight should not be significant unless you plan on racing that Santorin ;>)

Hope this helps you make your decision.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., ric@... wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin sloop with 2 stainless steel bars on the jib swivel/halyard. Can replace this with a halyard retainer? The weight is significant and i have had breakage issues.

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802
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