Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Motor Failure Mode
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
NOTE: There is a typo in my previous message. The correct Part
Number for the currently available pump is PN 37072-0094.
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Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Motor Failure Mode
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
I thought I would give a heads-up to those who have the Jabsco
Series 37245 Quite Flush Toilets on their boats. The service information provided by Jabsco (in you Amel book with all the other equipment manuals) says, "The toilet has no wearing parts that need periodic replacement other than the shaft seal, which under normal conditions, should provide several years of service before needing replacement." The part about the shaft seal should have been in bold print. I had neglected to replace this seal on my toilet pump and at the three-year mark one of my toilet pumps ceased to work. Disassembly showed that the seal had failed, salt water had leaked around the seal and past the slinger washer and entered the bearings of the motor. NEW MOTOR NEEDED. The motor used to come in 2 versions: PN 37072-0024 (24 volt and US $119.88 from West Marine Special Orders Desk) OR PN 37073-0094 (24 volt EMC, ?? electromagnetic European certification, for US $174.99 from West Marine Special Orders Desk) Jabsco has discontinued the -0024 version and only the more expensive -0094 motor is available. The 90197-0000 Service Kit contains the Joker Valve, some screws and washers, the offending PN 1040-0000 seal that needs to be replaced, and a new O-ring. The seal was about US $4.85 and I plan on replacing it yearly from now on as part of my on-going preventative maintenance. Regards, Gary Silver SM #335
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1985 MARAMU FURLING SYSTEM PROBLEMS
DENNIS STULLER <svcheechako@...>
I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED A NEGLECTED 1985 MARAMU
WHICH HAS PROBLEMS WITH THE FURLING SYSTEM ON THE MAIN. AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL THE PROBLEM STARTED WITH A BOUND UP BEARING AT THE TOP OF THE FURLER WHICH CAUSED THE DRIVE SHAFT TO TWIST OFF INSIDE THE MAST JUST WHERE IT GOES INTO THE BEVEL GEAR. I AM NOT SURE WHERE I SHOULD GO OR WHOM I SHOULD CONTACT FOR SERVICE INFORMATION AND PARTS FOR THIS BOAT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH PROBLEMS OF THIS NATURE AND ANY ADVICE? THANKS, DENNIS STULLER SVCHEECHAKO@YAHOO.COM __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Algae etc on Propeller
silkair@...
Alaskan Fisherman use Bag Balm, it's inexpensive and seems to work fine.
Mike McCarthy Mango #15
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Algae etc on Propeller
Shann, Mark V <shannmv@...>
John, could you give me a contact number for the Palma distributor, thanks
Mark Shann (Maramu Synnefoula) Best Regards Mark Shann ___________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: John McDougall [mailto:j.c.mcdougall@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 12:21 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Algae etc on Propeller Thanks for that - I last searched the web for it in the summer & couldn't find it but it's there now. Seems to be only one distributor in Europe - in Palma. Don't know how my contact got it! John -- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, jjwiggin02 <no_reply@y...> wrote: the theboat was not used. It was necessary to employ a diver to clean wereprop at considerable expense. I tried various antifoulings, slipperyattainable throughout the summer. I checked this by swimming sinceto the touch. whichand so I cannot update further till next spring. for itis sufficient for 2/3 applications. I cannot locate a source it.on the web although it is mentioned by Australian yards who use theIt is very expensive - I was charged 175euros (ripped off?) but removedresults were so good I shall continue to use it. A diver every experiencedue to a recall by the manufacturer, Bruntons, and so my byrelates to the use of the alternative, fixed blade prop supplied product -Amel but I don't think this would alter the results. if anyone can find it! Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Algae etc on Propeller
John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
Thanks for that - I last searched the web for it in the summer &
couldn't find it but it's there now. Seems to be only one distributor in Europe - in Palma. Don't know how my contact got it! John -- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, jjwiggin02 <no_reply@y...> wrote: the theboat was not used. It was necessary to employ a diver to clean wereprop at considerable expense. I tried various antifoulings, slipperyattainable throughout the summer. I checked this by swimming sinceto the touch. whichand so I cannot update further till next spring. for itis sufficient for 2/3 applications. I cannot locate a source it.on the web although it is mentioned by Australian yards who use theIt is very expensive - I was charged 175euros (ripped off?) but removedresults were so good I shall continue to use it. A diver every experiencedue to a recall by the manufacturer, Bruntons, and so my byrelates to the use of the alternative, fixed blade prop supplied product -Amel but I don't think this would alter the results. if anyone can find it!
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Re: Algae etc on Propeller
jjwiggin02 <no_reply@...>
Web site for the prosuct is http://www.propspeedusa.com/
Jim Wiggin --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John McDougall" <j.c. mcdougall@b...> wrote:
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Algae etc on Propeller
John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
I had very severe problems of hard, barnacle type fouling on the
prop of my SM330, berthed in Antibes (quite near to Paul - tonic 102004). In summer, max revs would drop to 1750 after about a month if the boat was not used. It was necessary to employ a diver to clean the prop at considerable expense. I tried various antifoulings, including woolfat (lanolin) without success. This year I was told by another (non Amel) owner that there were very good reports of a new product called Prop Speed from New Zealand. I obtained it from a chandler in Antibes and it was applied in early May. The result was excellent. Max revs. were attainable throughout the summer. I checked this by swimming underneath and the prop remained totally clean and slightly slippery to the touch. In late Aug I sailed to Dubrovnik where the boat has remained since and so I cannot update further till next spring. Prop Speed is a two pack, silicon based product sold in a pack which is sufficient for 2/3 applications. I cannot locate a source for it on the web although it is mentioned by Australian yards who use it. It is very expensive - I was charged 175euros (ripped off?) but the results were so good I shall continue to use it. A diver every month was about 80 euros a time. I should add that at the time of application my Autoprop was removed due to a recall by the manufacturer, Bruntons, and so my experience relates to the use of the alternative, fixed blade prop supplied by Amel but I don't think this would alter the results. I'd be interested to hear of any other experiences of this product - if anyone can find it! Regards John
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Painting Props--is ignorance bliss?
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Is there a reason why props should not be painted? I first painted a prop when I bought a Maramu ,( fixed blades)in Majorca ten years ago where, left unpainted, a prop was quickly covered in concrete like secretions. As far as I could tell every boat there painted their prop. I used the same paint as I put on the bottom, Internationals top cruising mixture. Did so for 6 years. No problems.
On our SM I have followed suit.Used Jotun ( unimpresed by its antifouling proerties but it stayed on the prop OK). Then used some Hempel picked up in Panama ( the last ,alas,of that wonderful old stuff where all marine life within 20 meters quietly expires) and now on to Internationals top racing mixture ( Micron Optima?) bought in Chile at a price that will bring tears to your eyes...about US$50 per gallon. Thank God for the Chilean Armada ( navy) which insists that the International office in Valparaiso stocks a few tins for its two ancient racing boats because otherwise there is no market here for such gofaster stuff. I have always applied a couple of coats of theses various antifoulings to my props, both fixed and Autoprop.I have made sure that the surface was reasonably clean before painting but not shiny clean. The paints have all stuck OK and done their jobs in water temperatures varying from Tropical to glacial. Since the boat was launched in June 2000 we have done about 20,000 miles with about 1400 hours motoring. Am I missing something? Is there a reason either not to paint or alternatively to use only some hifalutin and hipriced special prop paint? Heres hoping there isnt! Happy New Year! Ian and Judy Jenkins, SM 302, Pen Azen, Puerto Montt, Chile
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker spring commissioning
john martin <symoondog@...>
Hi Mark, Regarding flushing your waterr maker after the lay up period. Yes, chlorine does dissapate in your tank after a few months. To be on the safe side order a chlorine tester from Hach co. 800-2274224. $35.00. In as much as you only have to flush the unit for 5 minutes, it may be just as easy to buy about 3 or 4 gallons of distilled water from the grocery store, disconnect the intake hose, put it in a bucket full of the water and turn on the unit. No problem !!!
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Water tank cleaning
rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
Eric's posting on cleaning water tanks and hoses is excellent and
thorough. We also use our charcoal filter every time we fill the water tank, ensuring that there is no chlorine in the tank, and "shock treat" it twice a year with a good dose of bleach. The other thing you can do, especially if you are a bit obsessive about clean water tanks, is to remove the access plates to the water tank, located on the cabin sole, and clean the tank out by hand. On the Maramu, this was very easy, as the access plates were all easy to get to. On the SM, only one is easily accessible, the one under the galley floor. The other ones require some disassembly. One is under the seat fridge/freezer (aft seat of dinette), the other one under the galley (under the sink in my boat, probably under the fridge on the SM 2000!!). Look on the boat plans to see where they are. They are easy to remove (once you find them) and they give access to the entire water tank. We open them up every couple of years and give the tank a thorough scrubbing. For those unwilling to remove furniture, at least open the one under the galley floor, to see what your tank looks like. I'm sure a good chlorine dose will do a fine job on all that grows down there. Happy drinking! Roy Benveniste SM Excalibur #195
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cleaning water tank
eric freedman
Here is some info I received about cleaning water tanks,
Fair winds, Eric Freedman Sm 376 Kimberlite WATER TANK Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. Many people-and even some boat manufacturers-believe that keeping the tanks empty reduce the problem, but an empty water tank only provides another damp dark home for those "critters." There are all kinds of products sold that claim to keep onboard water fresh, but all that's really necessary is an annual or in especially warm climates, semi-annual recommissioning of the entire system-tank and plumbing. The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated. It's safe to use in tanks made of any material: Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line; however the first two buckets of ice-the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded. 1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/2 cup (4 oz) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorine solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. 2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines 3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours. 4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat. 5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vehicle motion. 6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by fill the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water. People have expressed concern about using this method to recommissioning aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it's effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank. People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again-the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional "shock treatment." And it's that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it's not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any "purifying" properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties. An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement. To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main.
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Re: Watermakers for dummies
noeliano244
We, too, have discovered that this sensor is simply a 2 minute timer
with no relationship to water quality. We do have the small control panel faucet which we use regularly, as well as drinking our product water. If you, Ben, do find out how the sensors were rewired, it would be valuable to all of us. Since we have the extra sea gull filter our water quality has remained very good with over 800 hours on the water maker with some of the same problems you have had. We winterized our water maker this winter since we are stored in Maine and hope it will "wake up" in the Spring. We have found that the chlorine testers for salt water fish tanks work very well for testing the chlorine content of city water. We have, however, run every drop of city/marina/yacht club water through a charcoal filter which we simply add onto the delivery hose. We have not, however, cleaned out the water tanks and would like information on how much chlorine, how much water, how much mixing (i.e. wind and wave action) we might need to finally do this. Thanks. Pete & Mary, Noelia #244 --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, rbenven44 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Maramu that had discovered that the watermaker had a 2-minute delay atstart- up, and an inoperative salinity sensor. The owner was told byso that owners would not have to clean the salinity sensor, and sothat occasional sensing errors would not shut down the system. Thiswas part of Amel's "low-maintenance" approach.and I believe that it has worked fine since then. We did not do it towith no problems other than the leaks in the old membrane plastic endcap fittings (which Dessalator replaced with SS ones a few years back).the unit to activate the salinity sensor.
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Re: Algae on propeller
noeliano244
We have had some success with an Aussie product called GOOP. It is
anhydrous lanolin, and depending on where the boat sits will keep the buildup of algae & barnacles under control between dives. We are able to dive on the prop quite regularly when in the tropics--we have a 50 foot hose connected directly to our dive tank so it is not so paraphanalia intensive. When we move back to New England we do have to clean the prop once in the 4-5 months we are in the colder waters. We do not spend much time in marinas, but did find out early on that marinas cause lots of build up. The auto prop must be very clean or else RPM decreases to an alarming state. We have never painted the prop because we were advised against this. We would be interested to know if there is a safe paint for an auto prop since the Auto prop representative said "no". We found the GOOP product through AB Marine. Email address sales@abmarine.com. On a similiar note, we also were advised by auto prop to replace the red plastic shipping nut with the appropriate zinc. We have "eaten" lots of prop zincs, but the rudder zincs last longer. The rudder zinc is quite a distance from the prop, so we feel that we have better protection. Perhaps Amel has changed this on later SMs. Pete and Mary on Noelia --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "tonic102004" <paebersold@f...> wrote: know. The boat is well maintained and in very good condition, we like it2500 or more. The previous owner had evertime asked a diver to cleanthe propeller before navigating.
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Re: watermaker spring commissioning
rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
I would suggest buying a water filter housing from Sears or a similar
source, inserting an activated charcoal filter, and using that whenever you fill your water tank from shore sources. Put it in line in your water hose. Then your water tank won't have any chlorine in it. The advantage is that whenever you flush your watermaker it will be with non-chlorinated water, and the membranes will last longer. Also, your water will taste better. The downside is that things are more likely to grow in your tank, so clean it out at least every six months with a good dose of chlorine, then dump the water. DON'T use it to flush your watermaker, it will kill the membranes. The alternative is to find a way to fit a charcoal filter in line in the flush water for the watermaker. I haven't figured out how to do that. I wish AMEL did that in their installation... Roy --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, markmpitt <no_reply@y...> wrote: the watermaker in the spring without harming the membrane? Does lettingunits with a activated carbon filter in the flush cycle to removechlorine.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind vane steering
Steve Leeds
Hi,
We have owned our Sharki (number 121) since 1990, lived aboard for 13 years and circumnavigated aboard her. If you have any questions (other than about windvane steering as we don't have any) we would be glad to help if we can. We know of a Sharki named WASABI owned by a Canadian couple who also circumnavigated aboard her before selling the boat. They did have windvane steering, but unfortunately, I don't recall what brand they had. The problem, of course, in installing windvane steering on a Sharki is the mizzen boom. The blade on the windvane must be "tacked" under the boom when tacking -- potentially a problem. There have been several occasions over the years when I wished I had windvane steering as a backup to our VERY reliable but power hungry NECO autopilot. Steve Leeds Yacht MACCABEE --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do?
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Re: Wind vane steering
spritoaffine <spritoaffine@...>
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, north pitney <northp@m...>
wrote: I would be very interested to get the group's ideas about wind vaneMy wife and I also bought a Sharki in Fort Lauderdale last summer so we were interested to see you requests for information I can help with a fluid and an electrical diagram, having only spent a couple of weeks aboard since the purchase a lot of the systems are still unknown to me and I would appreciate any info the membership could provide David and Hazel Worthington
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watermaker spring commissioning
markmpitt <no_reply@...>
I pickled my watermaker and added food-grade anti-freeze for the
winter. If my town's water may be chlorinated, how should I flush the watermaker in the spring without harming the membrane? Does letting town water sit in the tank for a few day dissipate any chlorine? I see that Spectra and some other watermaker companies ship their units with a activated carbon filter in the flush cycle to remove chlorine. Mark Pitt ASM #419 "Sabbatical III"
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RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Algae on propeller
Patrick Naegels <naegels@...>
Plastimo references :
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- ref 18344 primer - ref 27442 grey or 27441 black for bottom paint Do not hesitate to apply 4 coats of bottom paint, because coats are very thin with a spray. Protect neighbourhood with cardboard and tape to avoid dirties on hull Patrick
-----Message d'origine-----
De : jose.esteller [mailto:jose.esteller@wanadoo.fr] Envoyé : mercredi 29 décembre 2004 19:30 À : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Algae on propeller Hi Patrick Can you send me the references of the PLASTIMO spray system ? I have trye many kinds of paints and not any one succesfully. I am in Med. in La Grande Motte and this year i will trip in Greece. Merci JOSE SILVIA IV SM426 f9ib@winlink.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Naegels To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Algae on propeller Hi Paul, yes, you have to clean blades of your propeller to come back to 2.500 rpm To avoid that, you can apply some coats of bottom paint on your propeller at next haul out. Several brands are OK. We succesfully tested 2 components PLASTIMO spray system in Med and 2 components JOTUN paint system in West Indies. Easy to apply, that just take some time, because of the time you have to wait between coats. Blades are rather clean during 1 year except if you stay for a long call (several months) Patrick http://www.amelcaramel.net -----Message d'origine----- De : tonic102004 [mailto:paebersold@freesurf.ch] Envoyé : mardi 28 décembre 2004 9:14 À : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Objet : [Amel Yacht Owners] Algae on propeller I am new owner of a used sm (227). I did not use it much until know. The boat is well maintained and in very good condition, we like it very much. Nevertheless, there seems to be a problem with algae development on the propeller when the boat lays for a few weeks in the marina. Actualy the boat is in SanRemo in the Med. After a few weeks not beeing used, the engines gets up to 1700t/m instead of 2500 or more. The previous owner had evertime asked a diver to clean the propeller before navigating. Has anybody experience in solving this problem. Or is the only way diving and cleaning? Thanks Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129212m65/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ D=groups/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1104308060/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt p://companion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=943369228> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129lhe30h/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ D=groups/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1104431408/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt p://companion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=941886907> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Watermakers for dummies
rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
A few years ago, when we were in the Med, we met another Super Maramu
that had discovered that the watermaker had a 2-minute delay at start- up, and an inoperative salinity sensor. The owner was told by Dessalator that Amel had requested the units be installed that way so that owners would not have to clean the salinity sensor, and so that occasional sensing errors would not shut down the system. This was part of Amel's "low-maintenance" approach. This owner then rewired the control panel to activate the sensor, and I believe that it has worked fine since then. We did not do it to our boat, as I was happy tasting the product at the control panel faucet (don't the new boats have this?) to verify proper operation. By the way, we have 875 hours on our watermaker over 8 seasons with no problems other than the leaks in the old membrane plastic end cap fittings (which Dessalator replaced with SS ones a few years back). Rather than post this owner's name on the web site, I will contact him directly and ask him to post on the web site how he rewired the unit to activate the salinity sensor. Happy New Year to all. Roy Benveniste SM Excalibur #195
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