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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Miles thanks for the up date smooth sailing.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 28, 2013, at 21:47, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@attglobal.net> wrote:

Hello all,

I turns out that my problems are caused by an air leak. Today, the mechanic
ran the boat with the fuel lines directly into a can of fuel and it went
straight up to 2900 and then dropped back to 2800, as it had done in 1998
when it was new. A few weeks ago, I heard about someone who bought a used
Amel and could not get over 5 knots. His hull was clean but a marine garden
was growing under his wing. He cleaned it a fixed the problem. I
understand that anything is possible, but if Amel did put the wrong prop on
a boat, it is hard to imagine that they, or the owner going through the Amel
week long boot camp, would not have noticed. Amel runs these boats before
delivery so that things like the first oil change, etc., have all been done
before the owner gets the boat.

If any boat with the TMD22 will not get to 2800, something is wrong.

Good luck to all. Now, all I have to do is to find the source of the air
leak.

Miles (Ladybug, sm216) Newport, RI


Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

Hello all,



I turns out that my problems are caused by an air leak. Today, the mechanic
ran the boat with the fuel lines directly into a can of fuel and it went
straight up to 2900 and then dropped back to 2800, as it had done in 1998
when it was new. A few weeks ago, I heard about someone who bought a used
Amel and could not get over 5 knots. His hull was clean but a marine garden
was growing under his wing. He cleaned it a fixed the problem. I
understand that anything is possible, but if Amel did put the wrong prop on
a boat, it is hard to imagine that they, or the owner going through the Amel
week long boot camp, would not have noticed. Amel runs these boats before
delivery so that things like the first oil change, etc., have all been done
before the owner gets the boat.

If any boat with the TMD22 will not get to 2800, something is wrong.

Good luck to all. Now, all I have to do is to find the source of the air
leak.



Miles (Ladybug, sm216) Newport, RI


Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part dimensions and not order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I still have not digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last November (which was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I later find these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but this is greed...
Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the price are too high, will try in English!!!
Have a great evening, Alexandre


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On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 <jsrogers@charter.net> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM
















 









Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster
seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@amel.fr Of
course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your
hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get
bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as
well.



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,
"Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

>

> Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the
bow thruster?

> I want to stock on spare parts.

>

> Thanks in advance.

> Sincerely, Alexandre

> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

> Seabrook, Texas, USA

>


Re: Preparing for Maintenance.

jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...>
 

Regarding your fuel gauge stick, I ordered a replacement from Maud at Amel (sav@amel.fr) and I came rather quickly by Federal Express in a long tube. Reference you model and hull number in your email.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "eric" <ericmeury@...> wrote:

We are heading to the boat in early October after a trip to visit my future father in law in Budapest.

Since my Marina is in the middle of NoWhere Virginia with virtually no stores in close driving distance I am putting together a list of jobs big and small.
Bob Rossi – put together an excellent list and I am using that as a base, just want to get some other ideas and suggestions as I went along. The bow thruster seals were done when I bought the boat.
Here is my todo list

Replace anemometer bearing

Change Engine Oil

Replace hose attached to thermostat housing

Has Anybody replaced the Drain Plug for the Engine coolant with a Valve of some kind. Changing the fluid is a real mess and I would think a valve there of some kind would be useful as I could just attach a hose to a barb fitting on the end when I drained it next time?

I am missing the "stick" that goes in the fuel filler – any ideas on replacement

Open the genoa furler gear/motor case and grease it - Suggestion on a grease people like…anybody think INOX MX4 or INOX 8 is overkill…

I read that some have put a zerk fitting, I can only find stainless one and can't find aluminum. (housing is aluminum) Any suggestion on a source.?

I am replacing the batteries - going to replace with exactly the same size and brand that is currently in the boat

Anybody know what t model the PSA is on the Santorin. I know it is a Motorola - which model.


Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...>
 

Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@amel.fr Of course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as well.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the bow thruster?
I want to stock on spare parts.

Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


[Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm

islandbwoy4434
 

I am traveling right now and don't have the invoice to hand, but I believe it was under $200.00 for the "machining' of the blades.

Hope this helps.

SV Libby
SM#196
San Diego

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Good morning Terry ?

Thank you so much for the info on the cost.

How about the cost to repitch the blade?

Thanks in advance.

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On Mon, 8/26/13, islandbwoy4434 <terencesingh@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 26, 2013, 8:49 AM
















 









Alexandre, here is what I paid.



On visual inspection It does need a new bearing kit. All
3-blades bearings are worn & the blades loose on the hub.

Cost for Bearing Kit - $851.83. Includes new bearings,
Tamper proof plugs, Tab Washers, Expanding nut & bolt, zinc
& shaft nut Locking Bolt & VC-3.

Labour for Bearing replacement & pitch change - $367.50.

Total - $1219.33



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,
Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:

>

> Thanks Dena and ? Islandboy for the info!

> More and more it seems the new prop wil lbe
required...

>

> Just out of curiosity, how much was the total work on
the H6 Auto Prop?

>

> Sincerely, Alexandre

>

> --------------------------------------------

> On Wed, 8/21/13, islandbwoy4434
<terencesingh@> wrote:

>

> Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm

> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 4:35 PM

>

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> My two cents worth after exhaustive analysis of
low

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> Dena and I have owned Libby #196 for 18 months.

>

> We were never able to get more that 2000 RPM's @
6.5

> knots out of the TMD22 with an H6 AutoProp.

>

> Replaced the Turbo, checked engine and transmission
RPM with

> optical Tach at 100RPM intervals both stationary at
the dock

> and sea trial.

>

> Cleaned exhaust elbow, checked fuel system, and a host
of

> other suggestions as noted in my thread.

>

> Consulted with AB Marine and Bruntons and provided
tons of

> empirical data.

>

> David Sheppard provided Geoff Prior of AB Marine a
new

> profile for the Prop.

>

> Prop also received a full service including new
bearings.

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> Prop was re-fitted last week.

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> New results.

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> Max RPM's 3000 @ 9 Knots+

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> 2500 RPM's @ 7.5knots

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> Very happy that I can now run the TMD22 at a point
where the

> Turbo is actually working.

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> Not sure why the H6 was pitched that way it was and
supplied

> to Amel.

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> --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,

> "Graham" <crwggb@> wrote:

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> > Straight forward question:

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> > If you have or have had a Volvo TMD22 in your
Super

> Maramu, what is the max RPM you ever achieved with the
max

> prop fitted? The more responses the better!

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> > Graham

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> > SM 140 Sula

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> > Hong Kong

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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, simple way to check the waste gate is to remove the pin from the actuating arm and see if it turns easily. Keep the WD40/CRC56 going on it always.
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Lautoka Fiji, next Yasawas


________________________________
From: tatane88 <antoinefeltz@hotmail..com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

Hi all,

My motor tmd 22 smoke very black after 2400RPM.
I think i have a problem with wastegate of the turbo. I think the wastegate is locked in position Open.
Is it easy to clean this gate ?
Thank for your help.
SM 192 French.

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came
from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the boat..

I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and
prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at
hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions. The idea of
governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the
torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and
increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having mysterious problems with
the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump. If the
motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth
bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.
Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary
work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)





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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan, all us owners of TMD22 Volvos are grateful to you, its not just our volvo. If you have been stationary for any time in the 4 months since the clean your prop will be dirty and as Joel Potter has eloquently explained any fouling affects the pitch of the prop, it can only work effectively clean. Black smoke often is caused by overloading, dirty prop=wrong pitch=possible overload. If it is low revs caused by wrong pitch caused by fouling that 100hp Yanmar is putting an awful lot of load on your gearbox and transmission as it tries to get up to revs, like driving a car with the brakes on
Cheers
Danny 


________________________________
From: alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k <divanz620@yahoo.fr>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:19 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

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On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)


































Re: [Amel] Yanmar Stop Problem

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Eric,

no I have not yet tried this as I have no long enough leads. I will have
a go in time, but in the meantime my relay mod has taken all the
frustration and stress away.

Cheers

Ian SM 414 Crusader Just Eof Athens in Navyssos Bay

On 21/08/2013 22:37, Sailorman wrote:

Ian,

Did you ever try applying 12 volts directly to the stop solenoid. I
enquired
with my yanmar dealer and he said he stocks them as they are frequently
intermittent.

Fair Winds

Eric

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Yanmar Stop Problem

Yes but the ground relay also operates when the stop button is pushed,
unless I am mistaken? I have never had a starting problem though.

I sent you the circuit diagram a few minutes ago.

Ian SM 414 Crusader Skiathos

On 14/08/2013 18:23, kimberlite@optonline.net
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net>
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> wrote:

That is the ground connect solenoid for STARTING the engine,
Look for a small relay from yanmar near the starting solenoid.
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Yanmar Stop Problem
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>

OK thanks Eric.I have changed the main solenoid with the rubber
covered
stop button, but it had no effect.

Good luck with the surgery.

Ian SM414 Crusader (2003)

On 14/08/2013 08:16, Sailorman wrote:

Ian,

I had a similar problem when I first bought Kimberlite.

When I arrived in Lisbon the Amel tech ran a wire from the
ignition to the
stop solenoid.

I do not like patch jobs. When I arrived in the canaries, I
left the boat
with the Amel rep there and went back to the USA.

I am not too sure about what he did after all these years ,
however, I
believe next (forward) to the starter negative ground solenoid
(valeo)
with
the black button top is a smaller solenoid (black) I believe
that was the
problem. It has been 11 years and I could be totally wrong but
I think
that
was the problem. When I am in Kimberlite next I will check the
wiring> diagram for the engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Subject: Re: [Amel] Yanmar Stop Problem

Hi Eric,

the resistor being the cause of the problem, if it is a
resistor, was
only a maybe. To take it out would have meant butchering the moulded
cable and maybe causing more of a problem so I decided not to
take the
risk and use relays to simulate the button being held in.
Bearing in
mind that the stop time is very variable, it maybe a sticktion
problem> in the shut-off mechanism inside the pump.

I will copy you the details but allow me a few days to put it
all
together.

Ian SM 414 (2003) Crusader

On 13/08/2013 17:14, Sailorman wrote:

Ian,

Why did you not just change the resistor?

I would also like to se the wiring diagram and details.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Subject: Re: [Amel] Yanmar Stop Problem

Hi Ian
We have the same issue on Island Pearl and would like to
take you up
on your
offer to send the details. Our email address is
Colin.cruisingpoint@gmail.com
<mailto:Colin.cruisingpoint%40gmail.com>
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<mailto:Colin.cruisingpoint%40gmail.com>



.
Many thanks
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II - SM2K #332
Currently at anchor at beautiful Tangalooma, Brisbane. Australia

Sent from my iPad

On 13/08/2013, at 5:01 PM, Ian Shepherd

wrote:
For the past 10 years I have been plagued with a Yanmar
100 HP engine
that does not always shut down immediately when the red
stop button is
pressed. It can take up to 40 seconds to stop, requiring
you to hold
the
button throughout this time. Amel sent a modification kit to
incorporate
a relay to help keep the volts up on the stop circuit but
it did not
help. After years of checking every cable, and
incidentally meeting
several non Amel owners with the same engine and same
problem, I
concluded that the problem _may_ lie with what looks like
a surge
prevention resistor in the wire that goes to the shut off
unit located
inside the fuel pump, or the shut off valve itself.

I contacted Yanmar for a new resistor, but in keeping with
marine
trade
piracy it was of course only available with the complete
shut down
assembly at a cost of around £500! A bit like trying to
get a new
rubber
key cover for the control panel which used to only be
available if you
bought an entire new key switch!

Anyway for £5 I have found a compromise work around using
two 12V
relays. Now I just need to momentarily press the stop
button and the
engine will shut down in its own time. Turning the
ignition off resets
the system. Not ideal in a fire situation, but a big
improvement.> > >
If anyone would like details on how to wire this up, let
me know and I
will email the details.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader - Aegean

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Re: Sonic Speed computeur

tatane88 <antoinefeltz@...>
 

Thank a lot for help.
Do younow the cable way of the 2 sensor?

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

If you look in the bottom locker just aft of the forward bulkhead
(opposite forward dining table seat) you will find it under the shelf
held up by shock cord.

Ian Shepherd SM414 Crusader (2003) Nr Athens

On 28/08/2013 16:29, tatane88 wrote:

Hi Amelyachtowners,

What Lockers ship is the sonic speed computeur? thank
SM 192





Re: [Amel] Sonic Speed computeur

Ian Shepherd
 

If you look in the bottom locker just aft of the forward bulkhead
(opposite forward dining table seat) you will find it under the shelf
held up by shock cord.

Ian Shepherd SM414 Crusader (2003) Nr Athens

On 28/08/2013 16:29, tatane88 wrote:

Hi Amelyachtowners,

What Lockers ship is the sonic speed computeur? thank
SM 192


Sonic Speed computeur

tatane88 <antoinefeltz@...>
 

Hi Amelyachtowners,

What Lockers ship is the sonic speed computeur? thank
SM 192


Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

tatane88 <antoinefeltz@...>
 

Hi all,

My motor tmd 22 smoke very black after 2400RPM.
I think i have a problem with wastegate of the turbo. I think the wastegate is locked in position Open.
Is it easy to clean this gate ?
Thank for your help.
SM 192 French.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came
from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the boat.

I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and
prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at
hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions. The idea of
governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the
torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and
increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having mysterious problems with
the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump. If the
motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth
bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.
Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary
work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)





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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

karkauai
 

There are some great threads from a few years ago regarding low rpm. Heres a list of all the things I can remember that were checked when I was investigating: Growth on hull or prop, autoprop that needs refurbishing...Fuel tank valve, lines, 2 filters, pump (some engines have a lift pump and hi press pump), injectors...air intake clogged, bad turbo, clogged exhaust (especially the elbow), bad cylinder/piston, timing wrong...what have I left out?
We're you able to get 2800+ rpm in the past?

I'd start with prop, fuel filters and Turbo/exhaust elbow. You are the first one I remember with low rpm and 100 HP Yanmar. I'll be interested to hear what you find.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA
On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:19 AM, "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@yahoo.fr> wrote:

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

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On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)



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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Alan by the sound of it the black stain on the hull would get me over board and clean the prop.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:19, "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@yahoo.fr> wrote:

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)



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[Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Alan Leslie
 

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)



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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

karkauai
 

When I told them about what AutoProp told me (that the prop I have was recommended for the 100HP) they said they had had no problems and put the same prop on all SMs with either the 78 or 100 HP engine. I recontacted Autoprop and talked to someone different who reneged on their previous statement.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Has anyone gone back to Amel and asked the questions?
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Fiji


________________________________
From: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


Miles
We are having the same discussion with Yanmar about the RPM. We are repowering from the Yanmar 75 to the 100HP. This engine has a rev point of 3200 vs 3800 on the 75HP. Autoprop in Nerwport have indicated the prop is too big and the blades should be shortened and the pitch changed. This is the only way Yanmar will warranty the engine.
Autoprop do not seem to appreciate what Amel has done. We indicated that the maximum RPM on the old engine was 3200.
You can call me at 941-323-7838

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM#362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: mbidwell@attglobal.net
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:37:13 -0400
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM






Hello all,

I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the boat.

I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary

work.

Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)

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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Has anyone gone back to Amel and asked the questions?
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Fiji


________________________________
From: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


Miles
We are having the same discussion with Yanmar about the RPM. We are repowering from the Yanmar 75 to the 100HP. This engine has a rev point of 3200 vs 3800 on the 75HP. Autoprop in Nerwport have indicated the prop is too big and the blades should be shortened and the pitch changed. This is the only way Yanmar will warranty the engine.
Autoprop do not seem to appreciate what Amel has done. We indicated that the maximum RPM on the old engine was 3200.
You can call me at 941-323-7838

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM#362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: mbidwell@attglobal.net
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:37:13 -0400
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM




















 


   
     
     
      Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came

from Amel.  Someone who says it is does not understand the boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions.  The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise.  I am now having mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump.  If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)



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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Miles
We are having the same discussion with Yanmar about the RPM. We are repowering from the Yanmar 75 to the 100HP. This engine has a rev point of 3200 vs 3800 on the 75HP. Autoprop in Nerwport have indicated the prop is too big and the blades should be shortened and the pitch changed. This is the only way Yanmar will warranty the engine.
Autoprop do not seem to appreciate what Amel has done. We indicated that the maximum RPM on the old engine was 3200.
You can call me at 941-323-7838

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM#362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: mbidwell@attglobal.net
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:37:13 -0400
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)



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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

karkauai
 

Miles, I spent several thousands of dollars assuming that the boat was propped correctly from Amel. I read and gave their explanation to every mechanic who worked on the boat. Fairly early in the investigation, I even put the spare fixed prop on with the same low rpm result. I never saw over ~2300rpm and the turbo had to be replaced twice in about 4000 hrs of use. Several mechanics including Danny Ramos in Fajardo, PR (THE Volvo guy in the Caribbean) checked every thing on the engine several times, and all declared that there was nothing wrong with the engine. When I finally was talked into looking at the prop, and called the AutoProp people with the numbers off the prop, I was told that I had the prop recommended for the SM with the 100 HP Yanmar, not the 78 HP Volvo. I had the spare fixed prop measured at a reputable prop shop in Norfolk, and by their tables it, too, was too big and over pitched for my boat and 78 HP Volvo.

I had the spare cut down and repitched with excellent results (2900 rpm and 8+ kts). I then purchased a new MaxProp sized for an SM w 78HP Volvo, and after minor adjustment of the pitch got the same result.

I don't suggest that everyone with low rpm issues has the same problem, only that there is no doubt that I had the wrong props on my boat as delivered from Amel.

If I hadn't been so hard-headed about the prop being a possibility, I could have saved a lot of money and headache.

I suppose it is possible that the tolerances, when the prop and engine are new, are such that pushing the limits of the engine will get you up to 2800rpm. There are so many SMs with the 78 HP Volvo who are having the same problem, I am guessing that a tired engine or slightly-off Autoprop leaves them overpropped. So what then? I think changing the prop is a reasonable, albeit expensive, alternative. Running your Volvo at rpms too low to spool up the turbo is a recipe for other expensive repairs.

Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA
On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@attglobal.net> wrote:

Hello all,

I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came
from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the boat.

I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and
prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at
hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions. The idea of
governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the
torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and
increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having mysterious problems with
the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump. If the
motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth
bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.
Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary
work.

Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)

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