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Re: [Amel] Winter hardstanding

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

You might try Poto Vecchio on Corse they can pick,you,with a crane or you can stay in water at a good price. or La Cotta around the point from 
Marseille.  they can lift anything there. 
Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Oct 2, 2013, at 18:13, <gmshea@...> wrote:

 

This time next year I plan on being in the Cote d' Azur/ Riviera/Corsica area and would like to pull the boat for the winter. Does anyone have any experience with hardstanding in those areas?
Greg Shea
Sharki 133, Cap des Isles


Winter hardstanding

Gregory Shea
 

This time next year I plan on being in the Cote d' Azur/ Riviera/Corsica area and would like to pull the boat for the winter. Does anyone have any experience with hardstanding in those areas?
Greg Shea
Sharki 133, Cap des Isles


Re: main prop seal removal

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Dave,

        Some years ago I went to the trouble of finding a stainless steel tube the same size as the oil seals, 63mm sticks in my head but I am not certain.

I got a machine shop to make me a ring to slide on the outside of the tube and tapped three grub screws into the outer edge of the ring so that it will fix where ever I slide it on the tube.

By adjusting the ring to determine the depth of each oil seal  I slide the tube over the prop shaft and using a couple of large washers placed on the end of the tube I screw the propeller nut back on and gently insert the oil seals as the tube moves forward to the predetermined depth with no damage.

For removing old oil seals I use an ice pick bent at 90 degrees and a pair of 90 degree pliers.

Regards,

Trevor


Seafever of Cuan

SM 425

Ireland


 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Dave,

I do the same as Bill. Drill small holes and wind in self tapping screws then extract with a pair of pliers. One caveat though. It is easy to burr the prop shaft with the chuck of your drill so use a longer than normal drill bit to avoid this.

Since replacing the Amel bush with a replica made of stainless, my seals have been in place for 4.5 years with no signs of wear or leakage. Some say you shouldn't put stainless on stainless but I have found no problem having assembled the bush to prop shaft with plenty of Corrosion Block anti corrosion grease. Sleeving the old bush with stainless is probably a better way.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader Larnaca Cyprus

On 29/09/2013 15:35, drdavegoodman@... wrote:
 

What is the best method to remove the old main prop seals on 1998 SM?



Re: [Amel] main prop seal removal

Ian Shepherd
 

Dave,

I do the same as Bill. Drill small holes and wind in self tapping screws then extract with a pair of pliers. One caveat though. It is easy to burr the prop shaft with the chuck of your drill so use a longer than normal drill bit to avoid this.

Since replacing the Amel bush with a replica made of stainless, my seals have been in place for 4.5 years with no signs of wear or leakage. Some say you shouldn't put stainless on stainless but I have found no problem having assembled the bush to prop shaft with plenty of Corrosion Block anti corrosion grease. Sleeving the old bush with stainless is probably a better way.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader Larnaca Cyprus

On 29/09/2013 15:35, drdavegoodman@... wrote:
 

What is the best method to remove the old main prop seals on 1998 SM?



Re: [Amel] main prop seal removal

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Dave,
Eric’s solution sounds excellent, I used to use Bill’s way but found it tricky. I have been using a small screwdriver  which has the tip heated up so that the end 1/4 inch or less is bent to an angle of about 45 degrees and I use this to hook onto the oil seal to pull it out normally needing a vice grip to lever it out. You might be able to find my post in which I gave the details of how to sleeve the new or old bearing and new oil seals. I believe that this will do away with the need to replace the bearing and oil seals every one or two years. Incidentally a machine shop can copy the old bronze bearing for you at a fraction of the cost of shipping one from Amel.
 
                         Good luck,  Anne and John  Bali Hai, SM319, Malta. and about to go on the market as even Amels are a test for skippers in their eighties.
 

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] main prop seal removal
 
 

Dave,
I just tape up the tip of a very large flat screwdriver and pry the seals out.
it takes about 5 minutes.
I have done this every year for the last 10 years .
eric
sm 376


----- Original Message -----
From: Bill & Judy Rouse
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] main prop seal removal
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Dave,
>
> I do not know if it is the best, but I know it is not the worst.
>
>
> 1. Drill a small "pilot hole" in the seal.
> 2. Screw a 2 or 3" machine screw into the hole
> 3. Use a claw hammer to remove the seal
>
> Repeat for each seal
>
> Press the new seals in place with the old wear bushing and a
> piece of pipe
> large enough to go over the prop shaft and long enough to use a
> mallet to
> drive the seals home.
>
> Also, in the files section you will find this file: Shaft
> Bushing and Seals
> Replacement.pdf
> It is in the folder titled, "C Drive & Propeller Shaft, Seals & Wear
> Bushing also..."
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bill
> BeBe, SM2k, #387
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM, wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > What is the best method to remove the old main prop seals on
> 1998 SM?
> >
> >
>


Re: [Amel] main prop seal removal

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel] main prop seal removal

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dave,

I do not know if it is the best, but I know it is not the worst.

  1. Drill a small "pilot hole" in the seal.
  2. Screw a 2 or 3" machine screw into the hole
  3. Use a claw hammer to remove the seal
Repeat for each seal

Press the new seals in place with the old wear bushing and a piece of pipe large enough to go over the prop shaft and long enough to use a mallet to drive the seals home.

Also, in the files section you will find this file: Shaft Bushing and Seals Replacement.pdf
It is in the folder titled, "C Drive & Propeller Shaft, Seals & Wear Bushing also..."

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387


On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <drdavegoodman@...> wrote:
 

What is the best method to remove the old main prop seals on 1998 SM?



main prop seal removal

drdavegoodman
 

What is the best method to remove the old main prop seals on 1998 SM?


Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, That would not work for me because I have to drain my tank during the winter storage. It gets cold up here, but this will be our last winter here. Thanks, Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2013 9:16 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 
Pat, find Gary's post about putting a timer on the fresh water pump.  Elegant solution for when on the hard.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:

 
Eric, I do not have a red valve but when I installed the watermaker I installed valves and can run fresh tank water to the low pressure pump. So to rinse I just use the domestic boat pump for a few minute with the watermaker off. Thank you for confirming that. I would still like to know what I should do when I have the boat on the hard for 5 months and will not be able to rinse it every few weeks, since so many have suggested it not good to pickle the membranes with chemicals.  Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 12:28 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 
Pat,
I have the same watermaker.
I just turn a red valve near the watermaker to flush and it runs 40 psi water through the membranes for 3-5 minutes.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Patrick Mcaneny
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Eric, I have a 160/l and have never used it and have no manual. Could you explain the procedure to rinse? Do you rinse by only using the boats fresh water pump, approx., 40 psi.? If so, then that low pressure could not flow through the membranes correct? When you rinse are you flushing the membranes ? How long do you flush? How do you preserve the membranes when you store the boat for say six months on the hard?  Thanks, Pat SM #123 Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
All you have to do is turn the flush valve to rinse. You do not need to run the 220 volt motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA






























 

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Re: [Amel] Staying in Colombia

Christoph Hartung <Hartung@...>
 

Hi Eric,
 
we were approched by two agents upon arrival in Cartagena and choose one.
I assume in St Marta its the same procedure.
 
Pls. check "noonsite" home page if you need address in advance.
 
Also, I have been in Colombia 2 years ago, may be there have been some changes meanwhile, means clearance is now more simple.
 
Christoph
SY FLOMAIDA II
 
 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [amelyachtowners@...] im Auftrag von Sailorman [kimberlite@...]
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2013 21:25
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: RE: [Amel] Staying in Colombia

 

Christopher,

Where did you find your agent?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Christoph Hartung
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: kimberlite@...
Subject: AW: [Amel] Staying in Colombia

 

 

Dear Eric,

I have been in Colombia 2 years ago and left my AMEL 54 "Flomaida II" for several months in Cartagena. The rules at this time were:

- You need an Agent to clear in. They come to your boat or you make reservation via internet. About this you find also info's in the internet via "noonsite".

- The procedure takes several days until you get your paper back

- The boat can stay (first) for one month

- When you are leaving earlier and the boat shall stay longer you must advise the agent to apply - in your absence - for the extension up to 6 month. In our case it worked out well.

- The cost for the whole procedure have been 150,- to 200,- US$.

- Final clearance to leave needs also to be done by the agent - but no problem.

We have visited IGY Marina St Marta shortly before the grand opening. It is very safe, friendly and helpful. It is a better place to leave the boat than Cartagena.

Remark: if you check in in St Marta and you want to visit by boat Cartagena or vise worth you need to check in again, means you have to pay twice. This is only when you approach the harbors, not if you stay in a bay.

All the best,

Christoph
SY Flomaida II

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Im Auftrag von kimberlite@...
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2013 05:28
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel] Staying in Colombia

I was thinking of sailing to the IGY marina in Santa Marta Colombia and leaving my boat there for the winter.

I have a 4 year visa to Colombia and a Cedula so I can say as long as I like .
However I do not know about the boat.
does anyone know the rules about leaving a boat in Colombia for 6 months?
also, does anyone have information about the IGY marina in Santa Marta?
Fair winds
eric
sm376 Kimberlite

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Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

karkauai
 

Pat, find Gary's post about putting a timer on the fresh water pump.  Elegant solution for when on the hard.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:

 

Eric, I do not have a red valve but when I installed the watermaker I installed valves and can run fresh tank water to the low pressure pump. So to rinse I just use the domestic boat pump for a few minute with the watermaker off. Thank you for confirming that. I would still like to know what I should do when I have the boat on the hard for 5 months and will not be able to rinse it every few weeks, since so many have suggested it not good to pickle the membranes with chemicals.  Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 12:28 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 
Pat,
I have the same watermaker.
I just turn a red valve near the watermaker to flush and it runs 40 psi water through the membranes for 3-5 minutes.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Patrick Mcaneny
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Eric, I have a 160/l and have never used it and have no manual. Could you explain the procedure to rinse? Do you rinse by only using the boats fresh water pump, approx., 40 psi.? If so, then that low pressure could not flow through the membranes correct? When you rinse are you flushing the membranes ? How long do you flush? How do you preserve the membranes when you store the boat for say six months on the hard?  Thanks, Pat SM #123 Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
All you have to do is turn the flush valve to rinse. You do not need to run the 220 volt motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA






























 

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Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

These two things are on the Dessalator website:http://www.dessalator.com/

fold faq 

When should I sterilize my membranes?

If the watermaker is not used and you cannot rinse it once a month with fresh water, please sterilize your membranes. BEWARE: Not more than twice a year.

  1. If someone regularly comes on board, rinsing with the three-way valve on the pre pump will be sufficient; this should be carried out while the watermaker is idle.
  2. For extended periods (5 to 6 months) of storage, we have developed a sterilizing cartridge (see the page sterilizing cartridge).
I believe I also read that Dessalator says that you should not use the pickling chemical unless you are going to leave it idle for 6 months or more.

Bill
BeBe




On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:
 

Eric, I do not have a red valve but when I installed the watermaker I installed valves and can run fresh tank water to the low pressure pump. So to rinse I just use the domestic boat pump for a few minute with the watermaker off. Thank you for confirming that. I would still like to know what I should do when I have the boat on the hard for 5 months and will not be able to rinse it every few weeks, since so many have suggested it not good to pickle the membranes with chemicals.  Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 12:28 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 
Pat,
I have the same watermaker.
I just turn a red valve near the watermaker to flush and it runs 40 psi water through the membranes for 3-5 minutes.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Patrick Mcaneny
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Eric, I have a 160/l and have never used it and have no manual. Could you explain the procedure to rinse? Do you rinse by only using the boats fresh water pump, approx., 40 psi.? If so, then that low pressure could not flow through the membranes correct? When you rinse are you flushing the membranes ? How long do you flush? How do you preserve the membranes when you store the boat for say six months on the hard?  Thanks, Pat SM #123 Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
All you have to do is turn the flush valve to rinse. You do not need to run the 220 volt motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA






























 

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Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, I do not have a red valve but when I installed the watermaker I installed valves and can run fresh tank water to the low pressure pump. So to rinse I just use the domestic boat pump for a few minute with the watermaker off. Thank you for confirming that. I would still like to know what I should do when I have the boat on the hard for 5 months and will not be able to rinse it every few weeks, since so many have suggested it not good to pickle the membranes with chemicals.  Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 12:28 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 
Pat,
I have the same watermaker.
I just turn a red valve near the watermaker to flush and it runs 40 psi water through the membranes for 3-5 minutes.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Patrick Mcaneny
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Eric, I have a 160/l and have never used it and have no manual. Could you explain the procedure to rinse? Do you rinse by only using the boats fresh water pump, approx., 40 psi.? If so, then that low pressure could not flow through the membranes correct? When you rinse are you flushing the membranes ? How long do you flush? How do you preserve the membranes when you store the boat for say six months on the hard?  Thanks, Pat SM #123 Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
All you have to do is turn the flush valve to rinse. You do not need to run the 220 volt motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA






























 

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Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

eric freedman
 

Pat,

I have the same watermaker.

I just turn a red valve near the watermaker to flush and it runs 40 psi water through the membranes for 3-5 minutes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Patrick Mcaneny
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 

 

Eric, I have a 160/l and have never used it and have no manual. Could you explain the procedure to rinse? Do you rinse by only using the boats fresh water pump, approx., 40 psi.? If so, then that low pressure could not flow through the membranes correct? When you rinse are you flushing the membranes ? How long do you flush? How do you preserve the membranes when you store the boat for say six months on the hard?  Thanks, Pat SM #123 Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----

From: Sailorman
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 

All you have to do is turn the flush valve to rinse. You do not need to run the 220 volt motor.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 

 

Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA






























 


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Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Alexandre,

there are 1 or 2 valves valve located in front of the genset. There may be a placard there to indicate what the valve positions do. It depends on when the boat was made as to whether you have the additional pickle valve and pipe which Amel reluctantly fitted after pressure from their US rep to do so. On my boat the lower valve is moved to the rinse position and the freshwater pump will force freshwater down the outside of the membranes to remove the sea water. Do this for 3 minutes then switch off.

It is true that the domestic water pressure will not force water through the membranes but considering that the porosity of the membranes is something like half a micron, then bacteria should not be able to penetrate the membrane anyway so what you are doing is making sure that stagnant sea water does not surround your membranes causing a taste problem when next used.

As I said, it's all I have done for the past 7 years and 10 months with the current membranes (From Air,Ice and Water USA) and they are working great with a TDM reading of around 265 ppm and good taste. I also lay up every 3 years for about 4 months.

As for preserving the membrane life I believe that depends on several factors. The first rule is to never use them when there is a chance of oil in the water. The second, when you back flush make really sure that your water tank contains no chlorine. The third, only use the water maker in clean water. Clear anchorages are fine. Fourth, if in brackish water restrict the flow to 160 l/h (if that is your model) and lastly be gentle and smooth when you crank the pressure up and down with the regulator knob.

My dilemma as the membranes approach eight years old is whether to change them now or wait and see how long they will go on for. It is not recommended that you purchase and store membranes in their packaging for any period of time. Also when you do change them you should dump the first 30 minutes of production before letting water into your tank to ensure you gave got rid of the preservatives they soak them in.

Apart from the end caps, the Dessalator 160 l/h is a good installation and should give you years of trouble free operation. Other than changing the pre filters and the pump oil, back flushing is all you have to do. Do check for leaks periodically when it is running. They will happen!

Cheers

Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader Larnaca Cyprus


On 27/09/2013 20:17, Alexandre Uster von Baar wrote:
 

Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


































Re: [Amel] Logo items

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Like your input out QSails!

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 28, 2013, at 9:36 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

If you are looking for triradial dacron sails of high quality, you can beat that Lee Sails price and quality by going to QSails in Turkey.

I had a full set of triradial hydronet sails made for BeBe, #387, but I am fairly sure that the dacron price was less than 7,000 euro...and that was triradial cut design. www.qsails.com

QSails ships worldwide ex Turkey VAT. If you have a Super Maramu, they have our measurements and our custom pattern for triradial cut. Be sure to tell them sails like they made for BeBe, except in Dacron.

QSails has been in business for 26 years in Izmir Turkey. I met with Tahsin Oge, the QSail owner, twice...once on our boat and once at his loft in Izmir and exchanged 20 or so emails and phone calls. I was very impressed with his knowledge, his staff and his facility & equipment. 

QSails is also a Selden, Nirvana and Furlex distributor for Turkey and the international manufacturer of Hood Sails. At one time QSails manufactured NorthSails and shipped them worldwide.

We found at least 1 knot of speed with the sails from QSails and their fit/finish is impeccable.

At this point we are very, very impressed with QSails, and absolutely love it to find a vendor like them. I especially love to recommend them.

Bill
BeBe, #387


On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...> wrote:
 

We had the three white sails made for Bali Hai by Lee Sails in Hong Kong for less than €7000 including delivery to Malta in under four weeks. They were ordered via the Maltese sailmaker who sent them all the details including my request that one of the camber stripes on the main should be incorporated into the Amel logo. The sails are very good and are flatter than the original sails made by Gateff and the main also has vertical battens thus enabling much less negative roach I did also get a quote from Gateff which is, I believe, part of Doyle Sails. Luckily it was twice as much as the quote that our local sailmaker got from Lee Sails thus making the decision easy.
                  Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM 319, Malta
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Logo items
 
 

Why not ask Amel if they have a sail pat h that can be glued & sewn on?

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 
Some sailmakers can copy it!
Best of luck
 
C&M


On 28 Sep 2013, at 12:09, Dennis Woods <woods.dennis@...> wrote:

 
Hi Chris, do you know if you can get the amel logo for the main sail ? Thanks, Dennis
IL FLAUTO MAGICO sm 408


On 28 Sep 2013, at 10:53, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 
Order from Amel either La Rochelle or Hyeres,and sent to Italy in the EU,and bring back to boat with you.
Cheers
Chris


On 28 Sep 2013, at 02:01, Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...> wrote:

 
US for another week than Italy for the rest of Oct.
Many thanks!

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

What country are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie DiBelardino
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 5:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Logo items

 

Is there anyplace that I can order itms with the Amel logo?

Many thanks

Stephanie DiBelardino



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Re: [Amel] Logo items

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

If you are looking for triradial dacron sails of high quality, you can beat that Lee Sails price and quality by going to QSails in Turkey.

I had a full set of triradial hydronet sails made for BeBe, #387, but I am fairly sure that the dacron price was less than 7,000 euro...and that was triradial cut design. www.qsails.com

QSails ships worldwide ex Turkey VAT. If you have a Super Maramu, they have our measurements and our custom pattern for triradial cut. Be sure to tell them sails like they made for BeBe, except in Dacron.

QSails has been in business for 26 years in Izmir Turkey. I met with Tahsin Oge, the QSail owner, twice...once on our boat and once at his loft in Izmir and exchanged 20 or so emails and phone calls. I was very impressed with his knowledge, his staff and his facility & equipment. 

QSails is also a Selden, Nirvana and Furlex distributor for Turkey and the international manufacturer of Hood Sails. At one time QSails manufactured NorthSails and shipped them worldwide.

We found at least 1 knot of speed with the sails from QSails and their fit/finish is impeccable.

At this point we are very, very impressed with QSails, and absolutely love it to find a vendor like them. I especially love to recommend them.

Bill
BeBe, #387


On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...> wrote:
 

We had the three white sails made for Bali Hai by Lee Sails in Hong Kong for less than €7000 including delivery to Malta in under four weeks. They were ordered via the Maltese sailmaker who sent them all the details including my request that one of the camber stripes on the main should be incorporated into the Amel logo. The sails are very good and are flatter than the original sails made by Gateff and the main also has vertical battens thus enabling much less negative roach I did also get a quote from Gateff which is, I believe, part of Doyle Sails. Luckily it was twice as much as the quote that our local sailmaker got from Lee Sails thus making the decision easy.
                  Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM 319, Malta
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Logo items
 
 

Why not ask Amel if they have a sail pat h that can be glued & sewn on?

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 
Some sailmakers can copy it!
Best of luck
 
C&M


On 28 Sep 2013, at 12:09, Dennis Woods <woods.dennis@...> wrote:

 
Hi Chris, do you know if you can get the amel logo for the main sail ? Thanks, Dennis
IL FLAUTO MAGICO sm 408


On 28 Sep 2013, at 10:53, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 
Order from Amel either La Rochelle or Hyeres,and sent to Italy in the EU,and bring back to boat with you.
Cheers
Chris


On 28 Sep 2013, at 02:01, Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...> wrote:

 
US for another week than Italy for the rest of Oct.
Many thanks!

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

What country are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie DiBelardino
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 5:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Logo items

 

Is there anyplace that I can order itms with the Amel logo?

Many thanks

Stephanie DiBelardino



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Re: [Amel] Logo items

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

We have bought from Lee Sails several times, the first time being directly when we had a Cheoy Lee.  We visited them many years ago ( mid 80's)in Hong Kong when the Cheoy Lee was still in Hong Kong.  Great pricing.

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 28, 2013, at 9:11 AM, "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

 

We had the three white sails made for Bali Hai by Lee Sails in Hong Kong for less than €7000 including delivery to Malta in under four weeks. They were ordered via the Maltese sailmaker who sent them all the details including my request that one of the camber stripes on the main should be incorporated into the Amel logo. The sails are very good and are flatter than the original sails made by Gateff and the main also has vertical battens thus enabling much less negative roach I did also get a quote from Gateff which is, I believe, part of Doyle Sails. Luckily it was twice as much as the quote that our local sailmaker got from Lee Sails thus making the decision easy.
                  Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM 319, Malta
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Logo items
 
 

Why not ask Amel if they have a sail pat h that can be glued & sewn on?

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 
Some sailmakers can copy it!
Best of luck
 
C&M


On 28 Sep 2013, at 12:09, Dennis Woods <woods.dennis@...> wrote:

 
Hi Chris, do you know if you can get the amel logo for the main sail ? Thanks, Dennis
IL FLAUTO MAGICO sm 408


On 28 Sep 2013, at 10:53, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 
Order from Amel either La Rochelle or Hyeres,and sent to Italy in the EU,and bring back to boat with you.
Cheers
Chris


On 28 Sep 2013, at 02:01, Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...> wrote:

 
US for another week than Italy for the rest of Oct.
Many thanks!

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

What country are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie DiBelardino
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 5:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Logo items

 

Is there anyplace that I can order itms with the Amel logo?

Many thanks

Stephanie DiBelardino


Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, I have a 160/l and have never used it and have no manual. Could you explain the procedure to rinse? Do you rinse by only using the boats fresh water pump, approx., 40 psi.? If so, then that low pressure could not flow through the membranes correct? When you rinse are you flushing the membranes ? How long do you flush? How do you preserve the membranes when you store the boat for say six months on the hard?  Thanks, Pat SM #123 Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Sailorman
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?

 
All you have to do is turn the flush valve to rinse. You do not need to run the 220 volt motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
 
 
Hello Ian,

How do I "back flush"?

What I did last week, was "rinse". So I turn the valva on "Rinse", then the fresh water pump started.
I run the 220 Volt water maker pump for 2 hours, the light was green and the pressure of hte valve was also green.

Not concerned about the taste and I already have the Seagull filter.

I just want to know what I need to do to preserve the life of the membrane.
How do I do the back flush?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/27/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] How to pickel water maker?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 27, 2013, 2:51 PM
















 












Alexandre,



DON'T DO IT! All you need to do is back flush for 3
minutes, and
only when you are not going to use the water maker
during the next 3
weeks. Pickling is a fad that seems to be popular in
America for
some reason. I did it with my first set of membranes and
they quit
in less than 2 years. My current membranes will be 8
years old in
November and I have used the water maker a lot as I
never take on
dock water.



If you are concerned about taste try installing a
Seagull filter and
tap at the sink. They are very good though the filter
cartridge
price has escalated over the years. I am considering
installing a 5
micron filter before the Seagull filter to perhaps help
prolong the
cartridge life.



Dessalator also spurn pickling. It is NOT necessary.



Happy drinking.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 (2003) Crusader





On 27/09/2013
14:31,
uster@...
wrote:



 


Tested last weekend the water maker (in rinse
mode), all
good.
Now, I would like to learn how to pickel
it...
I have the product, can someone explain to me
what I need
to do? 
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

































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