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Re: [Amel] RE: Website Woes

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Thanks JL for your input.  The site may lack some tools however it is about a good a working site out there for a bunch of boat owners that have a prime objective to help other Amel owners work through issues for the common good.  Yahoo is yahoo and not going away anytime soon which is how this string got started. And thank you once again for your service. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Oct 20, 2013, at 17:59, <lji0041@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

 

You can search messages in this group using the upper window. To the right of the Yahoo logo.

Please let me know why you cannot post messages. I can ask Yahoo, if you  have not done it yourself.


I agree that the tools that Yahoo provide are not perfect, but it is what we have so far. And it is for free.


You can find all the messages since the start of the group. Unfortunately, Yahoo does not provide a way now to export them.


I use some of my spare time to approve new members, filter messages, etc. But I cannot dedicate much more time.


I feel that we need some time to adapt to the changes. I also understand that some of you may need more, but all that I could have seen either has drawbacks or it is not for free. And I have to stand for everybody in the group.


You can count on me for the good of the group.


My best regards

JL

Group Moderator





---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi all,
First let me say that the group webpage is now useless to me for searching messages, or even posting a new topic.  I had to post this via regular email.  We've got to do something about this before all our info is lost completely.  I'm ready to fork out some money to hire someone (preferably someone who is a member and competent to guide us and make it work) to find another way to continue our "conversations" and be able to post pics and files...even to attach a pic to a message.
 
We've talked about this for a couple of months now, is anyone actually doing anything?  I am pretty computer illiterate, but I am willing to find someone who can do this for us.  Should I just forge ahead, or should we be more formal about it...take a vote or something?
 
I think everyone would be willing to pay a reasonable fee to participate, what's reasonable?  $10 per year? $25?  What about upfront investment...$25? $50?
 
I fear that a lot of our information has already disappeared into the ether.
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA


Re: Cleaning the fresh water tanks

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Kent:  


Greetings from Liahona. 


I have cleaned and sanitized my water tanks with Clorox every year that I have owned Liahona, yet I still get those same black mold like spots that appear to be a little mound of solid material about 1 cm in diameter and when removed they leave a black base that defies removal.  I have cleaned the tanks as best I can, sanitized them and have decided to live in harmony with whatever type of creature this is.  No amount of cleaning has produced a satisfactory result and I haven't noticed any health issues in 12 years of ownership.  When I sanitize my system I do fill the tanks to the very top and then try to go sailing to allow the treated water to slosh into all nooks and crannies etc.  


I have had good luck on other mold areas with  Spray Nine.  It is very effective at removing and preventing molds for a period of time in my rubber scuppers at the rub rail.  It is a proprietary product available at West Marine etc, and I have not tried it in the water system for fear of toxicity.  Might be worth a spot treatment trial and if it works seeking more information from the manufacturer about use in water systems. 


Great job of posting lots of information for others.  


All the best, 


Gary Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 335   on the hard in Jolly Harbor Antigua



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sammie.whammie@...> wrote:

Vinegar then baking soda then flush with water.
.


On Saturday, October 19, 2013 1:40 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
 
Thanks, Stephanie, I'll try anything at this point.
Kent


From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] RE: Cleaning the fresh water tanks

 
Have you tried hydrogen peroxide (min 3% solution, available in any drug store?  Spray it on full strength.  Let it work, then rinse.  If it is still there, try again.  Also Borax might work -- 1 cup to 1 gal. Water.

Good luck with this job!
Stephanie

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Oct 19, 2013, at 5:30 PM, <karkauai@...> wrote:

 
Hi again,
I'm stuck.  I've filled the tanks with 2 gallons of household bleach and let it sit overnight.  I've brushed with a stiff brush on a pole.  At Bill's suggestion,  I've purchased an 1800psi pressure and spent an hour on the middle tank.  There are still numerous globs of mold adhered to the walls of the tank.  If I can reach them I can knock the bulk of a glob off with my fingernail, but it still leaves a black spot and blacker ring that I can't knock off with the pressure sprayer.

Sooo, anyone have any ideas about what else I can do?  How much bleach is enough?  How much is too much?

Thanks for any and all suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi again, gang.
I'm cleaning my fresh water tanks for the first time, don't know if the previous owner ever did it.  I've accessed the center tank (under the galley sole) and the aft tank (under the galley fridge).  There are a fair amount of mildew/mold spots that are tightly adhered to the inside of the tank, and after filling the tank with a fairly potent bleach mixture I'm still finding it impossible to get it cleaned off.  Is there any kind of chemical that can be used other than bleach that would work better and be safe?  Given the difficult access and impossibility of getting good pressure with a stiff brush, I'm running out of ideas.
 
I tried to access old files and photos (used Bill's suggestions) and can't seem to get them.  Also still can't reply to an existing thread (nothing happens when I click on "reply")
 
Thanks for any suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA





Re: Website Woes

lji0041@...
 

Hi Kent,

 

You can search messages in this group using the upper window. To the right of the Yahoo logo.

Please let me know why you cannot post messages. I can ask Yahoo, if you  have not done it yourself.


I agree that the tools that Yahoo provide are not perfect, but it is what we have so far. And it is for free.


You can find all the messages since the start of the group. Unfortunately, Yahoo does not provide a way now to export them.


I use some of my spare time to approve new members, filter messages, etc. But I cannot dedicate much more time.


I feel that we need some time to adapt to the changes. I also understand that some of you may need more, but all that I could have seen either has drawbacks or it is not for free. And I have to stand for everybody in the group.


You can count on me for the good of the group.


My best regards

JL

Group Moderator





---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi all,
First let me say that the group webpage is now useless to me for searching messages, or even posting a new topic.  I had to post this via regular email.  We've got to do something about this before all our info is lost completely.  I'm ready to fork out some money to hire someone (preferably someone who is a member and competent to guide us and make it work) to find another way to continue our "conversations" and be able to post pics and files...even to attach a pic to a message.
 
We've talked about this for a couple of months now, is anyone actually doing anything?  I am pretty computer illiterate, but I am willing to find someone who can do this for us.  Should I just forge ahead, or should we be more formal about it...take a vote or something?
 
I think everyone would be willing to pay a reasonable fee to participate, what's reasonable?  $10 per year? $25?  What about upfront investment...$25? $50?
 
I fear that a lot of our information has already disappeared into the ether.
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA


Sirius sat. radio antennas

lji0041@...
 

On behalf of Mike Wiggings:

 I seem to remember that there was discussion , some time ago, on
reception on Sirius satellite radios in the Caribbean. I am cruising
in The Virgin Islands area which is at the edge of the Sirius Sat.
Footprint and I have had poor to non existent reception.
I wonder if anyone has had success with a  different antenna than the
standard issue car model.

Mike Wiggins S/V PAPAGENO Amel Euros 39 (and you thought Mangos were old)


Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

bobparry1947
 

Sorry. I forgot to mention that you should be able to buy them from most places that sell seals. You don't have to get them from Amel at some inflated cost plus freight.
Bob and Ann Parry
SM#33 "Nowornot"

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
Date: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Subject: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster
To: amelyachtowners@...


 


I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to the fwd head...
When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.
Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it tighter?
Any other solution?
I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA



Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

bobparry1947
 

From our experience, the lip seal needs replacing. Make sure that it is not up-side-down or it will not work properly.
Bob and Ann Parry
"Nowornot"
SM#33


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
 


I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to the fwd head...
When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.
Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it tighter?
Any other solution?
I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA



Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

karkauai
 

Alexandre,
If the seals were installed correctly, and less than a year ago maybe it just needs to be tightened some where the cable attaches either the motor end, or the end by the worm drive.  I've not done it, but there is a way to reset the stop points that stop the raise and lower function when fully up or down.  On Kristy those switches are on the worm drive itself, I think.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Oct 20, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

 


I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to the fwd head...
When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.
Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it tighter?
Any other solution?
I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


Re: [Amel] RE: Perkins 4154 consumation

amelforme
 

From the experiences of the clients I have sold boats to with the 4-154 Perkins, Maramu models and boats other than Amel’s, your consumption seems to be a bit high. At 2100 rpm, I recall burning 1.25 US Gallons an hour during the delivery of a second hand Maramu to new owners over a distance of about 270 miles at this rpm setting. That boat had about 1500 hours on the engine and a freshly painted bottom and the prop was serviced and the pitch correct to specifications.  

 

High engine hours with resultant reduction in compression numbers, a less than perfect bottom and a prop improperly pitched will be the basic things that can cause higher than normal fuel burning. Mechanical condition of the injectors and fuel metering pump can also enter into the picture too.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

All the best,

Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address:  401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida  33301

Phone:  (954) 462-5869   Cell:  (954) 812-2485

Email:  jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of maramu.goree@...
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] RE: Perkins 4154 consumation

 

 

hi

nobody ?



---In amelyachtowners@..., <maramu.goree@...> wrote:

Hi All
My maramu has a Perkins 4154 (3500h) and has a consumtion of ± 5,5l/h when I am at 2000RPM. I have been told that this is really too much.
Do some of other amel owners with the same motor have an advice about it?
Regards
Jean-Paul


Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

The foam and lip seals were replaced a year ago (by Amel), is this normal they last so little time???
Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 10/20/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@yahoo.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 20, 2013, 11:26 AM
















 









Hi it is time to replace the foam and lip
seals. You can get a set from Amel it ck this site for other
sources.  

Regards Richard
Piller
Cell 603 767
5330
On Oct 20, 2013, at 10:12, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
















 








I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to
the fwd head...

When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow
thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.

Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it
tighter?

Any other solution?

I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.



Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Seabrook, Texas, USA


Re: [Amel] RE: Perkins 4154 consumation

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi with clean bottom and prop we generally did 6 kts at 1900 with a burn rate of 3.5 l per hr. 
Fully loaded. 

Regards 
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 20, 2013, at 13:46, <maramu.goree@...> wrote:

 

hi

nobody ?



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote:

Hi All
My maramu has a Perkins 4154 (3500h) and has a consumtion of ± 5,5l/h when I am at 2000RPM. I have been told that this is really too much.
Do some of other amel owners with the same motor have an advice about it?
Regards
Jean-Paul


Re: Perkins 4154 consumation

JP Mans
 

hi

nobody ?



---In amelyachtowners@..., <maramu.goree@...> wrote:

Hi All
My maramu has a Perkins 4154 (3500h) and has a consumtion of ± 5,5l/h when I am at 2000RPM. I have been told that this is really too much.
Do some of other amel owners with the same motor have an advice about it?
Regards
Jean-Paul


Re: [Amel] bow truster

Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

Iior,

When you are looking at the Bow Thruster unit-on the left side of the motor unit is attached the black solenoid box with the big electric wires attached. If you look further down the side to underneath this solenoid unit you should see the control box which you should be able to slide towards you out of the clip that is holding it. Once out you should be able to unplug the control unit and plug in the new one. BESURE YOU TURN OFF THE POWER TO THE BOW THRUSTER BY SHUTTING OFF THE BATTERIES before replacing the control box. Hope this helps!

Gary

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44








On Oct 20, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Lior <lior246@...> wrote:

 

gary and bob

i have this part in the boat. can you write me where it is exactly?

thanks
lior



ב-20 באוק 2013, בשעה 15:34, Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...> כתב/ה:

 

Loir,

BeBe is correct. To be a little more specific First I would look at what is called an electronic control Box which is located in a bracket under the solenoid. It is simply a process of unplugging the old box and replacing it with a new one. I carry a spare. I acquired the item from Side-power and the item number is ART. no. 6 12321.  I will mention that I have replaced my solenoid with bigger ones as the originals were to small for the motor so therefore if you have the originals then it may take a different control box. The item number should be on the control box.

Gary

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44








On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Lior,

This will not help you much, but an electrician will probably find a fault in the control box. I have not seen the controls, but I am sure that one solenoid is not working. It is very unlikely that it is anything else. So start there and save some time. If you are coming to Gocek, I know that Emek Marine has parts for the 54 bow thruster and can help you. 

Contact for Emek is:
Riza Cagdas CAKIR 
Chief Operating Officer
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI
Iskele Mah 62B 48310 Gocek\Mugla\TURKEY
Tel:+90 252 645 2468
Fax:+90 252 645 2899
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
www.emekmarin.com


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Lior <lior246@...> wrote:
 

hi 

my bow truster works only in the right side. when i try to use the left side, it does not work... maybe can someone help me? i am in a small port in Greece...

thanks
lior, gnom 7, amel 54 #18










Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi it is time to replace the foam and lip seals. You can get a set from Amel it ck this site for other sources.  

Regards 
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 20, 2013, at 10:12, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

 


I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to the fwd head...
When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.
Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it tighter?
Any other solution?
I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


Re: [Amel] bow truster

Lior <lior246@...>
 

gary and bob

i have this part in the boat. can you write me where it is exactly?

thanks
lior



ב-20 באוק 2013, בשעה 15:34, Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...> כתב/ה:

 

Loir,

BeBe is correct. To be a little more specific First I would look at what is called an electronic control Box which is located in a bracket under the solenoid. It is simply a process of unplugging the old box and replacing it with a new one. I carry a spare. I acquired the item from Side-power and the item number is ART. no. 6 12321.  I will mention that I have replaced my solenoid with bigger ones as the originals were to small for the motor so therefore if you have the originals then it may take a different control box. The item number should be on the control box.

Gary

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44








On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Lior,

This will not help you much, but an electrician will probably find a fault in the control box. I have not seen the controls, but I am sure that one solenoid is not working. It is very unlikely that it is anything else. So start there and save some time. If you are coming to Gocek, I know that Emek Marine has parts for the 54 bow thruster and can help you. 

Contact for Emek is:
Riza Cagdas CAKIR 
Chief Operating Officer
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI
Iskele Mah 62B 48310 Gocek\Mugla\TURKEY
Tel:+90 252 645 2468
Fax:+90 252 645 2899
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
www.emekmarin.com


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Lior <lior246@...> wrote:
 

hi 

my bow truster works only in the right side. when i try to use the left side, it does not work... maybe can someone help me? i am in a small port in Greece...

thanks
lior, gnom 7, amel 54 #18







Re: [Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

The first thing I would do is to make sure when and where the water is coming in. Are you sure that it is coming in after you have pinned (locked) the bow thruster in place? You might consider placing some absorbent material near the bow thruster to ensure that this is the place where yo are getting water.

Leaking after the bow thruster is UP and Locked:
If you are sure that it is after the bow thruster is UP and locked:
  1. When you lock it in place it should require pulling with about 30 pounds of force on the "up wire" to move the bow thruster the last 10-20cm toward the top, compressing the foam seals. If you do not experience this, there are two possibilities:
    1. The foam seals are bad or one or both is missing
    2. The wire needs adjusting. I have never adjusted the wire. I think it will be fairly straight forward. Before you loosen anything, be sure to mark all appropriate positions.
Leak while operating:
If the leak is occurring before the bow thruster is locked there are two possibilities:
  1. The "inside" foam seal is not glued properly with contact glue, or is damaged or worn out
  2. The 60mm tube seal is worn or damaged
  3. or both 1 & 2
Note wire adjustment is not a possibility in this case because the system pretty much relies on the weight of the bow thruster to make the seal.

Long-shot possibilities:
There are three long-shot possibilities that I do not think is happening, but here they are:
  1. The water is coming from the fresh water system...this should be easy for you to tell if it is salt water or fresh water.
  2. The water is leaking at the depth sounder
  3. The shaft seal is bad and water/oil is coming out the top of the bow thruster when it is operated...note centrifugal force would have to be what moves it to come out the top...I have seen this on another boat. You should be able to tell because it would be an oily water mixture.
Hope this helps you.

Bill
BeBe, #387


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
 


I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to the fwd head...
When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.
Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it tighter?
Any other solution?
I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA



Re: [Amel] Bamar Genoa Furling

Peter Forbes
 

Hey Jose,
 
That Bamar conjunction with Facnor in France looks brilliant. Thank you for that - I have always been worried about Bamar failure - just as the weather looks like getting rough!
 
Thank you
 
Peter Forbes
Amel 54 035
Gocek, Turkey

Best wishes
Peter Forbes
+44 (0) 7836 209730


On 20 October 2013 10:19, <jose.esteller@...> wrote:
 

Hi Dimitris

I read with much interest all about BAMAR, In this time I have not problems with mine in ORION, but perhaps in future...

I send you mails last week, but they return to me with message of not delivery

Did you receive them in spite of this?

I said in this mails that FACNOR in France can supply an interesting système to use with BAMAR that you can see in this adress:

I hope all is OK in Athens, here we are waiting fot the next may month to return to Greece
 
Best regards
---In amelyachtowners@..., <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Dear Bill,

 

My Amel 54 has the bigger bamar 2.02 furler installed by Amel. The Hanse has the 1.01 furler which is totally under dimensioned for the 63 feet boat.  Regarding the Perini Navi I do not know why and if they use the Bamar furlers but I am sure that the selection is in the client to decide and the furler they use is for sure hydraulic and for sure different than the Bamar 2.02 system.

 

I am very happy with the Amel 54 but I have to admit that the Bamar genoa furler is not according to the Amel standards and Amel has to protect the users and change the furler in order to avoid problems in the open seas.  We have bought an Amel boat to use it and not to leave the boat in the marinas. I am considering to participate in the ARC 2014 and I want to know if the installed Bamar furler can withstand the forces of the Atlantic ocean. Who can reply  my question? Amel though Bamar informed me that I have to put new grease and close the furler no problem will arise in the future. Do they want to cross the Atlantic with my boat with such a problematic furler?

 

Beast Regards

 

Dimitris

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Rouse
Sent: Wed
nesday, October 16, 2013 1:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: Re: [Amel] Bamar Genoa Furling

 

 

Dimitris,

 

Hello, my friend I hope you are well.

 

I did a little research on the fuller on the 54 and found that Hanse used a Bamar furler on their 63' yacht, but apparently stopped because of some issues. I am not sure that it is the same problem, or not, but it may be something pertinent. 

 

If I am not mistaken large-boat yards like Perini Navi use Bamar furlers, so the issue may not be with the brand, but could be with the specs of the model used on the 54, or the installation. Are you ready for a 55? :>)

 

 

I hope you do not mind a lowly Super Maramu owner jumping in on a 54 thread...I guess I am bored.

 

Bill

BeBe, #387

Fethiye, Turkey

 

 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...> wrote:

 

I hope that all Amel 54 owner with a problem on the Bamar furler send a brief description of the problem they are facing if any in order to prepare a letter to Amel and address the issue.

 

Regards

 

Dimitris

Alma Libre Too

Amel 54

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of kaj.liljebladh@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: Re: [Amel] Bamar Genoa Furling

 

 

 

Hi Dimitris and Haldun

 

I have an Amel 54 delivered May 2009.
I was crossing Atlantic in 2010. I did get problem with the furler (Bamar 1.0.2?) to the genua and had to change belt many times. Amel did it twice, but it did not help.

I decided to buy the bigger furler, a Bamar 2.0.2 i April 2011 and Amel told me that it would be much better. I also talked to Jean-Jacques LEMONNIER, and he admitted that they had problem with Bamar.
(I belive they have a different brand today, at least I hope so).

I did get more problem in 2012, the furler became really noisy and the fuse started going even if it is low pressure in the sail. I was visiting Le Marin in July 2013 to get this fixed among other things. The technician from Amel admitted that it was noisy and tried to clean it and was putting in grease. Still it is noisy. I discovered when I had left Le Marin that the fuse is now going even easier than before.


I do not know what I should do now. I have already spend quite much money on the new Bamar 2.0.2.

Amel is saying that I should send the furler to Bamar for repair.  Since I am on a circumnavigation and I cannot get any information about how long time it will take until I get it back and I also not sure that it will be better this time (since Amel do not seem to have so good thrust on Bamar), so therefor I am not willing to send it.


I have also the same experience with the Control box. Amel is saying it is better to use the old one. The question is if it is.

 

I am quite sure that there are several more Amel owners that have similar problem. Let’s hope they could speak out, because if it is a common problem I think Amel should take a bigger responsibility for this problem.

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Dimitris,

I had similar problems with the Bamar furler, and it was repaired by the Bamar service in Marmaris, out of warranty. Also the electronic control box of this furler was very problematic, and despite many replacements, I still can not use the control box (instead I'm using the EM box).

Cheers,

 

Haldun

Amanin Am54 No164

Currently ay Reunion

 

From: Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: [Amel] Bamar Genoa Furling

 

I have the Amel 54 delivered new on May 2011 with the Bamar furler 2.02 for the genoa. I heard a strange noise and opened the front cover and I found out that there was a lot of brass particles which according to my knowledge means that the gear is starting to be damaged  by the forces of the genoa. After cleaning the gear I put new lithium grease and I contacted Amel. Amel has informed Bamar and after an exchange of e-mails they both decided that the furler is out of warranty and Amel offered to pay 50% of the freight to Bamar for assessment of the damage and repair with payment if it is possible.

 

I would like to know from other Amel 54 sailors if they have similar problems with the Bamar genoa furler as for me is unacceptable that Amel uses such a problematic furler. On my SM2000 I never had a problem with the Amel build genoa furler.

 

Regards

Dimitris

Alma Libre Too

Amel 54

 



Re: [Amel] bow truster

Lior <lior246@...>
 

gary
do you mean the control box where the bow truster lacated? there inside 4 blue solenoid. do you one of those?

thanks 
lior



ב-20 באוק 2013, בשעה 15:34, Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...> כתב/ה:

 

Loir,

BeBe is correct. To be a little more specific First I would look at what is called an electronic control Box which is located in a bracket under the solenoid. It is simply a process of unplugging the old box and replacing it with a new one. I carry a spare. I acquired the item from Side-power and the item number is ART. no. 6 12321.  I will mention that I have replaced my solenoid with bigger ones as the originals were to small for the motor so therefore if you have the originals then it may take a different control box. The item number should be on the control box.

Gary

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44








On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Lior,

This will not help you much, but an electrician will probably find a fault in the control box. I have not seen the controls, but I am sure that one solenoid is not working. It is very unlikely that it is anything else. So start there and save some time. If you are coming to Gocek, I know that Emek Marine has parts for the 54 bow thruster and can help you. 

Contact for Emek is:
Riza Cagdas CAKIR 
Chief Operating Officer
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI
Iskele Mah 62B 48310 Gocek\Mugla\TURKEY
Tel:+90 252 645 2468
Fax:+90 252 645 2899
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
www.emekmarin.com


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Lior <lior246@...> wrote:
 

hi 

my bow truster works only in the right side. when i try to use the left side, it does not work... maybe can someone help me? i am in a small port in Greece...

thanks
lior, gnom 7, amel 54 #18







Re: [Amel] RE: 1993 Santorin 46

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi,  the bed in the saloon is exact 188,6 cm long. I measured it now

it is ok to sleep for a person not taller than 180

herbert
santorin #120


---In amelyachtowners@..., <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Yes we found the lee board in our double cabin useful. I could also sleep across the foot of the bed on the Pacific crossing.
Port light to main cabin is really useful.

Chris


On 20 Oct 2013, at 09:10, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

 

We're just finishing our voyage home to North Wales on Ocean Hobo, Santorin no.96. We have not used the sea berth as we too find the aft cabin the best place to sleep. We did a five night passage from Africa to Spain then 3 days across Biscay with a force 8 behind us for the final 36 hours. How pleased we are with our new boat. Very safe feeling in heavy seas, and we did get some sleep thanks to the 'easy ride' of the aft cabin. With the port light in the cockpit open you are in just as easy shouting distance if you need assistance.
On the last leg up the Irish Sea and guess what it's doing out there!! Again! But Linda loves helming this boat. It's a beaut.

Ian and Linda


[Amel] bow truster LEAKING from Alex Uster

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I have noted more and more water in the compartment next to the fwd head...
When I go sailing, I always "LOCK" the bow thruster, but regardless water seems to be coming in.
Any advice? Is there some adjustment I can do to make it tighter?
Any other solution?
I had it service by Amel Martinique last Nov.

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


Re: [Amel] bow truster

Lior <lior246@...>
 

hi bill an garry

thanks a lot. 
it happened today. first no side worked, then both did work for a short time. 
i am in karpathos now and i dont think that there a chance to find the right solenoid here.

thanks again
lior



ב-20 באוק 2013, בשעה 15:34, Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...> כתב/ה:

 

Loir,

BeBe is correct. To be a little more specific First I would look at what is called an electronic control Box which is located in a bracket under the solenoid. It is simply a process of unplugging the old box and replacing it with a new one. I carry a spare. I acquired the item from Side-power and the item number is ART. no. 6 12321.  I will mention that I have replaced my solenoid with bigger ones as the originals were to small for the motor so therefore if you have the originals then it may take a different control box. The item number should be on the control box.

Gary

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44








On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Lior,

This will not help you much, but an electrician will probably find a fault in the control box. I have not seen the controls, but I am sure that one solenoid is not working. It is very unlikely that it is anything else. So start there and save some time. If you are coming to Gocek, I know that Emek Marine has parts for the 54 bow thruster and can help you. 

Contact for Emek is:
Riza Cagdas CAKIR 
Chief Operating Officer
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI
Iskele Mah 62B 48310 Gocek\Mugla\TURKEY
Tel:+90 252 645 2468
Fax:+90 252 645 2899
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
www.emekmarin.com


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Lior <lior246@...> wrote:
 

hi 

my bow truster works only in the right side. when i try to use the left side, it does not work... maybe can someone help me? i am in a small port in Greece...

thanks
lior, gnom 7, amel 54 #18