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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

eric freedman
 

Charlie,

I just used a big black magic marker and marked the aft end with a line.

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376



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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement



Eric,

I agree orientation is important. I always fit the tool so the hole where
the
line is secured is visible.

Charlie







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

svmalaika@...
 

Eric,

I agree orientation is important. I always fit the tool so the hole where the
line is secured is visible.

Charlie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

eric freedman
 

Mark,

It is also good to mark the amel tool at its aft end so when you bring the
thruster back into the boat you will be able to align it.

Fair winds,

Eric

SM 376



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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 6:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement



Mark (and Others),

The AMEL supplied tool is very easy to use. Here is how I have done it six
times, twice on our boat and four times on other AMELs we've met.

1) Secure the bow thrust shaft by placing the hose clamp around the shaft
about 5 cm (2 inches) below where the shaft connects to the motor.

2) Remove the collar (if fitted) around the base of the motor and remove the

four screws that secure the shaft to the motor base. This will free the
shaft
to slide down until it is held by the hose clamp (important) fitted in 1
above.

3) Insert the AMEL tool into the shaft and secure it with the two screws
provided Make sure the screws are set in the two holes in the tool.

4) Wrap plastic electrical tape around the space between the tool and the
shaft to prevent salt water from entering the shaft.

5. Secure the end of the line on the AMEL tool, loosen the hose clamp and
slowly lower the bow thruster assembly into the water.

6) Using a boat hook on deck snag the line and bring the bow thruster prop
assembly on board.

7) Replace the prop as previously described (if you need details let me
know).

8) While the unit is on deck it is a good idea to drain the oil by inverting

the unit (after removing the tape and tool) and replacing it with SEA 90W
gear
oil.

9) Refit the tool, tape and lower it into the water.

10) Haul it up from inside, check orientation and reset the hose clamp (so
you don't lose the unit)

11) Now the only hard part. Fit the shaft into the base of the motor so the
spline fits and the unit can b secured by the four secures. Replace the
collar
and test.

Good luck,
Charlie
S/V MALAIKA II
Barcelona, SPAIN







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

Mark Pitt
 

I have the bow thruster replacement tool but have not had
the occasion to use it. If I did needto use it, I am not sure that
I know how to. The English translation of the instructions that
came with it are very difficult to follow. I would greatly appreciate
it if someone could supply a more clearly worded set of instructions,

Mark
SM #419 Sabbatical III

eric wrote:

Using the amel tool it takes about an hour and a half.

My problem with changing the prop under water was that the stainless pin had
twisted into the holder and had to be cut out of the plastic- when I removed
the thruster to the deck it was a very simple job.

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite.



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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement



I've lost my bow thruster prop. Does anyone have experience in
removing the bow thruster foot or replacing the prop without taking
the boat out of the water? I see that amel sells a kit for doing
this. Is it worth getting (vs paying for a haul). I read a comment
somewhere that it was hard to do. I'm trying to decide if I should
haul it (I just put it in) or wait for the special device from Amel.

Also, can someone give me detailed instructions on replacing the
prop? Seems like removing the screws, if they have sheared off, could
be a problem.

Thanks.

Bob





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

svmalaika@...
 

Mark (and Others),

The AMEL supplied tool is very easy to use. Here is how I have done it six
times, twice on our boat and four times on other AMELs we've met.

1) Secure the bow thrust shaft by placing the hose clamp around the shaft
about 5 cm (2 inches) below where the shaft connects to the motor.

2) Remove the collar (if fitted) around the base of the motor and remove the
four screws that secure the shaft to the motor base. This will free the shaft
to slide down until it is held by the hose clamp (important) fitted in 1 above.

3) Insert the AMEL tool into the shaft and secure it with the two screws
provided Make sure the screws are set in the two holes in the tool.

4) Wrap plastic electrical tape around the space between the tool and the
shaft to prevent salt water from entering the shaft.

5. Secure the end of the line on the AMEL tool, loosen the hose clamp and
slowly lower the bow thruster assembly into the water.

6) Using a boat hook on deck snag the line and bring the bow thruster prop
assembly on board.

7) Replace the prop as previously described (if you need details let me know).

8) While the unit is on deck it is a good idea to drain the oil by inverting
the unit (after removing the tape and tool) and replacing it with SEA 90W gear
oil.

9) Refit the tool, tape and lower it into the water.

10) Haul it up from inside, check orientation and reset the hose clamp (so
you don't lose the unit)

11) Now the only hard part. Fit the shaft into the base of the motor so the
spline fits and the unit can b secured by the four secures. Replace the collar
and test.

Good luck,
Charlie
S/V MALAIKA II
Barcelona, SPAIN


Help please !!! Painting Deck ??

Jochen Hofmann <jochen@...>
 

Hello fellow Amel owners.

Our Maramu #143 launched in 1984 has a very "tired" Gelcoat by now -
especially in the white antislip areas. She has recently received a
full Awlgrip painting for the hull and superstructures, and she looks
almost like new now if it was not for the deck. The white antislip
deck starts to develop very small black holes by now and I am sure I
have to do something about that (the "false teak" areas are still in
reasonably goot shape so I follow Amel's suggestion there and will not
paint). However I have seen lots of bad to very bad solutions for this
problem on other boats (including some Maramus and Sharkys). Does
anyone have a GOOD solution to this ?

Since I am even starting to have arguments with my wife (and perfect
mate) over the issue I would really appreciate your opinions.

PS the boat is in southern Turkey so lots of heat and UV.

Thanks and fair winds,

Jochen Hofmann, SY Blue Song


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi

Patrick Naegels <naegels@...>
 

Hi Rudy,



If there is no more 24V air pump to inflate your dinghy, you can find on the
market good 220V air pump for this use. Look at Italian manufacturers on
Google. Use it with your converter or Onan genset.



Patrick (Caramel SM#329)



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Envoyé : dimanche 12 juin 2005 11:25
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Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi



The first thing I did,was to ask Amel in Hyeres.
They told me, that there dont supply anymore this pumps, as it is
a "bricolage".
I should look on the market, were 24 V Airpumps should existe. (
other amelowners seems to be buying those). I could not get an
adress so far from anyone, neither found I this feature in the
internet.



-- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jerome Le Conte" <JLC@N...>
wrote:
Why don't you ask Amel ?
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To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi


Hi to all,
is there anyone who has a suplyer adress for 24 Volt Dingipump,
The
one Amel delivered, is now out of order.
Thanks for Infos
Rudy
SAMANTHA SM#407






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi

r.zurkirchen
 

The first thing I did,was to ask Amel in Hyeres.
They told me, that there dont supply anymore this pumps, as it is
a "bricolage".
I should look on the market, were 24 V Airpumps should existe. (
other amelowners seems to be buying those). I could not get an
adress so far from anyone, neither found I this feature in the
internet.



-- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jerome Le Conte" <JLC@N...>
wrote:
Why don't you ask Amel ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "rzurkirchen2003" <r.zurkirchen@v...>
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi


Hi to all,
is there anyone who has a suplyer adress for 24 Volt Dingipump,
The
one Amel delivered, is now out of order.
Thanks for Infos
Rudy
SAMANTHA SM#407






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

rossirossix4 <equinoxsolstice@...>
 

Thanks everyone, for your advice and ideas on bow-thruster
replacement without short hauling the boat--I did replace it in the
water.

Everyone's advice was valid, but I thought I would share my
experience and ideas.

I was able to drive the old pin out, using a correctly sized
Craftsman punch with small taps from a hammer and grabing the end
with a Vice-Grip and twist/pulling it out the other end. Believe it
or not, I was able to do this hanging off my dingy with my son
holding the dingy into the boat. However, a better way, and one I
had to resort to to attach the prop--was simply floating next to the
bowthruster while wearing a PFD and reaching down with both hands to
work on it. I started out with a snorkle and mask but found (perhaps
due to the opacity of Chesapeake Bay water) that floating with the
head above water was easier.

First I hauled the thruster up about 2" to make it more accessable
under water--you only need access to the hub and this helps a little.
Next, I lightly sanded the inside edge of the prop that pushes onto
the collar and lubed the inside of this area of the prop with
Lanocoat. This helped it slide on easier and allowed me to rotate
it on the hub to line-up the six holes. I tied a keeper line around
one blade of the prop. Because it tapers out larger, this secures
the pricey little guy! I also had used a small nylon string to do
the same thing with the white collar by going through one of the
threaded holes. Working with both hands, I think that the best way
to push the prop on is to grab around the thruster with the fingers
of both hands and push the prop on simultaneously with both thumbs.
Lining up the six holes in the prop with the white collar was the
toughest task for me. I found that I had to back the prop off the
hub about half way and line up the holes with the punch and then ush
it on completly. Otherwise the prop and drive rotate together and I
could not line up the holes. Because the punch was smaller than the
holes I had to work it around in a circular motion to line up one of
the holes correctly. A better guide, like a plastic pen body might
be better. Lining up the holes was by far the most difficult task--
if you are in clear water, a snorkle and mask might let you do it
visually, but not in the Chesapeake! I had my son stand above me on
the deck and lower parts down with a bucket (including the nylon
screws--one at a time.

It wasn't too bad, but I will be buying the special tool. It sounds
like it is very useful if there are any complications, and of-course
could allow you to replace a seal or chack/change the 90wt oil.
Joel told me by phone that he has the process down to about 30
minutes.

Bob
Santorin Hull#86 Brittany de la Mer



--- In amelyachtowners@..., eric <kimberlite@o...> wrote:
Using the amel tool it takes about an hour and a half.

My problem with changing the prop under water was that the
stainless pin had
twisted into the holder and had to be cut out of the plastic- when
I removed
the thruster to the deck it was a very simple job.

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite.



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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossirossix4
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement



I've lost my bow thruster prop. Does anyone have experience in
removing the bow thruster foot or replacing the prop without
taking
the boat out of the water? I see that amel sells a kit for doing
this. Is it worth getting (vs paying for a haul). I read a
comment
somewhere that it was hard to do. I'm trying to decide if I
should
haul it (I just put it in) or wait for the special device from
Amel.

Also, can someone give me detailed instructions on replacing the
prop? Seems like removing the screws, if they have sheared off,
could
be a problem.

Thanks.

Bob





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement

eric freedman
 

Using the amel tool it takes about an hour and a half.

My problem with changing the prop under water was that the stainless pin had
twisted into the holder and had to be cut out of the plastic- when I removed
the thruster to the deck it was a very simple job.

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite.



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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossirossix4
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Prop Replacement



I've lost my bow thruster prop. Does anyone have experience in
removing the bow thruster foot or replacing the prop without taking
the boat out of the water? I see that amel sells a kit for doing
this. Is it worth getting (vs paying for a haul). I read a comment
somewhere that it was hard to do. I'm trying to decide if I should
haul it (I just put it in) or wait for the special device from Amel.

Also, can someone give me detailed instructions on replacing the
prop? Seems like removing the screws, if they have sheared off, could
be a problem.

Thanks.

Bob





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Re: Kirk for sale

syhanaleism <syhanaleism@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., sm2000206 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
Amel Kirk, 78 / 229, only one Swiss owner, Lake of Constance, teak
deck, many extras, fine condition; EUR 40'000.--; please ask for
documentation.
More details please! - Thank you!
Regards
REB


24 volt airpump for dinghy

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello Rudi,
The pump Amel supplies is a very clever adaptation which combines two
12 volt pumps wiring them in series to use 24 volts. They are made in
the UK and used to be very expensive at about £35 per pump.
They are available from sales@... but the bad news is that
they are now grossly overpriced at £69.85 each incl.VAT but not
postage. You would then have the problem of joining them together
Amel fashion.
I assume that you have had an technician look at the damaged one?

Good luck with the problem, Anne and John, Bali Hai,SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi

Jerome Le Conte <JLC@...>
 

Why don't you ask Amel ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "rzurkirchen2003" <r.zurkirchen@...>
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 Volt Airpump for Dingi


Hi to all,
is there anyone who has a suplyer adress for 24 Volt Dingipump, The one Amel delivered, is now out of order.
Thanks for Infos
Rudy
SAMANTHA SM#407
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24 Volt Airpump for Dingi

r.zurkirchen
 

Hi to all,
is there anyone who has a suplyer adress for 24 Volt Dingipump, The
one Amel delivered, is now out of order.
Thanks for Infos
Rudy
SAMANTHA SM#407


Re: Message index

Zanareva
 

Anne and John,

I am checking into this with Yahoo. Right now I don't see this as any
standard feature of Yahoo Groups.

Sounds like you would like more than what the SEARCH feature provides.

Richard


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<hollamby@c...> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Is there any way in which the 1500+ messages can be indexed to make
it
possible to see whether any particular subject has already been
explored. The French Amel site has one and I thik that Google, Yahoo
and others are organised in this area.

Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai Sm 319


Message index

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hi Richard,
Is there any way in which the 1500+ messages can be indexed to make it
possible to see whether any particular subject has already been
explored. The French Amel site has one and I thik that Google, Yahoo
and others are organised in this area.

Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai Sm 319


Potentially Hazardous Problem - NMEA Multiplexer

fruehaufp <fruehaufps@...>
 

To all,

I wanted to report a potentially hazardous problem that I
encountered. My autohelm would suddenly turn the boat sharply
without notice. I installed an NMEA multiplexer made by Noland.
The multiplexer has inputs from a GPS, the B&G Hydra 2 and the
autohelm ST7000. The multiplexer has a USB output that connects to
my laptop computer. I also connected the multiplexer output to my
autohelm so I could steer the boat using apparent wind. I
believe that this combination of connections caused the autohelm to
turn unexpectedly. I disconnected the output from the multiplexer
to the autohelm and have not had the problem for about two weeks.
This problem may be unique to my combination of instruments.

We started our extended cruise on May 15th from Wilmington, DE. We
sailed up the Hudson river and took the rig down and went through
the Erie Canal to Lake Ontario. We are headed for Cape Vincent in
the thousand island area today.

Best regards,

Paul Fruehauf - Faraway Eyes - SM 215


Turning off emails of posted messages

Zanareva
 

Yves,

Yes, you can accomplish this, here's how. On the main Amel Yacht
Owners Group webpage, click on the link "Edit Membership". Scroll
down to "Message Delivery". Now check the button "No email - I'll
read messages on the web site." You're all set. You will not be sent
any emails of the messages that are posted on this site, but you can
access all of them when you have internet access by going to this
site and clicking on the MESSAGES link on the left hand side of the
main page.

Best regards
Richard
SM #5 "Spice"


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "mcymabm@v..."
<mcymabm@v...> wrote:
Amelyachtowners@...



Since we will be at see or in remote countries for a while, we
will not be able to read our ashore e.mail box for several weeks.
The numerous interesting messages we receive from the forum will
block it.
Would it be possible that, for this period of time, messages are
not forwarded to my mail box, but kept on the forum where I will
look at them when in a "civilized" country?

Thank you

Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE

"Blue Marine"
SMU 311





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mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
 

Amelyachtowners@...



Since we will be at see or in remote countries for a while, we will not be able to read our ashore e.mail box for several weeks. The numerous interesting messages we receive from the forum will block it.
Would it be possible that, for this period of time, messages are not forwarded to my mail box, but kept on the forum where I will look at them when in a “civilized” country?

Thank you

Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE

“Blue Marine”
SMU 311





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster prop replacement

Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

Hello to all,

I do not believe that you can remove easily the pin with scuba tanks. I had
a similar problem in Greece and the pin was badly bend and it was impossible
to be removed without taking out the bow with the Amel kit which I recommend
to all Amel sailors. It is not easy to be used but it is a safety device in
case you are in trouble. You need about 3 hour work to remove and reinstall
the bow but it works.

By the way I heard that the new Amel boat has double props in a tunnel that
is lowered in the water with a similar systems like the SM so this weak
point has got much better.

Regards

Dimitris
SM Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr

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From: John and Anne on Bali Hai [mailto:hollamby@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster prop replacement


Hello Bob,
It is a doddle. I assume you have a spare prop which comes with the
boss which fits onto the drive shaft. Look at the boss and you will
see that has a hole through which there is a stainless pin which will
take the drive from the shaft. Your old prop has gone missing and so
on the drive shaft there is the old boss and pin or perhaps the old
pin has dropped out and the boss has also vanished.
You do not need to haul out or have the special kit if you can get a
scuba diver to remove the old boss and pin and fit the the new boss
and pin and then fit the prop and screw in the nylon screws. (If you
are unlucky the diver may need to use a similar size pin to drive out
the old one). At a pinch it could be done with a snorkel, I suspect.
Bingo! all is well. Just make sure that you always have a couple of
spare props for the next time. When you pay for them you will become
more careful about stray lines etc..
You do not say your hull no, Mine is 319 and I lost three in the first
couple of years but I have got better!

All the best, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319




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