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Re: [Amel] Main shet boom block-inspect it

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Eric:


Thanks for the heads up.  I will definitely inspect those holes when I do the replacement.  How much elongation was there?


Gary


SM Main Boom Sheet Attachment Block Cracking

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Dear Joel and all those who posted on the main boom sheet attachment block issue.  

 

My attachment has been in the exact position that it was set at the factory 13 years ago and appears completely normal and intact.  However, because of those posts I inspected mine when I was on the boat recently.  I found my block cracked.   I have posted a photo of my findings in a new folder in the photos section entitled Amel SM Main Boom Sheet-Attachment Issues.  So I am issuing, what we call in the aviation industry, a SERVICE DIFFICULTY REPORT, (i.e. a report of a failure mode or item).

 

I have emailed Maud at Amel to get a new one.  Just some speculation on the cause of  this based on my aviation background.  Aluminum is subject to fatigue failure.  This failure mode is enhanced by stress concentrations, repeated stress cycling, and corrosion.  All those factor may come into play here.  This is just one more instance where even with very careful inspection, failures can occur. In this case I caught it before failure, that doesn't mean that the boom channel itself couldn't fail and when I remove this block I will carefully inspect the channel as well.  

 

Joel's notes on positioning of this block are carefully noted.  If I was ever taught that before, I forgot it in my advancing years.  Good to hear it again. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary Silver 

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335

Delivered July 2001

15,000 sea miles, roughly 3 months a year of sailing for the last 13 years. 


Re: [Amel] Main shet boom block-inspect it

eric freedman
 

Gary,

Please check the attachment point of the block in the boom channel. In my case the attachment point has 2 machine screws that go through the attachment item and into two non threaded holes in the boom.

That attachment item is only held in by the sheer of the bolts. . Check the holes for elongation.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 3:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Main shet boom block-inspect it

 

 

Dear Joel and all those who posted on the main boom sheet attachment block issue.  

 

My attachment has been in the exact position that it was set at the factory 13 years ago and at first look appears completely normal and intact.  However, because of these posts I inspected mine when I was on the boat recently.  I found my block cracked.   I have posted a photo of my findings in a new folder in the photos section entitled Amel SM Main Boom Sheet-Attachment Issues.  So I am issuing, what we call in the aviation industry, a SERVICE DIFFICULTY REPORT, (i.e. a report of a failure mode or item).

 

I have emailed Maud at Amel to get a new one.  Just some speculation on the cause of  this based on my aviation background.  Aluminum, unlike ferrous metals and composites, is subject to fatigue failure.  This failure mode is enhanced by stress concentrations, repeated stress cycling, and corrosion.  All those factor may come into play here.  This is just one more instance where even with very careful inspection, failures can occur. In this case I caught it before failure, that doesn't mean that the boom channel itself couldn't fail and when I remove this block I will carefully inspect the channel as well.  

 

Joel's notes on positioning of this block are carefully noted.  If I was ever taught that before, I forgot it in my advancing years.  Good to hear it again. 

 

Now take a look at that block as part of your frequent boat inspection.

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary Silver 

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335

Delivered July 2001

15,000 sea miles, roughly 3 months a year of sailing for the last 13 years. 

 


Re: Hartman & Paderborn Safe Electronics Replacement

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Francisco

I just read your message requesting a picture of the key.  I will be back aboard the boat on Feb 17th and can post a picture then.  Unfortunately I don't have a key at my home.

Gary Silver


Re: [Amel] RE: Hartman & Paderborn Safe Electronics Replacement

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

The email address was 


daniel.sommer (at) hartmann-tresore (dot) de


daniel.sommer@...   


Sorry about the prior error.


Gary


Re: [Amel] RE: Battery desulphation - what I am trying NIKIMAT

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Alexandre:


My boost phase seems to be 27.6 to 27.8 volts and the float phase voltage 25.6 volts.  


Gary


Re: [Amel] RE: Hartman & Paderborn Safe Electronics Replacement

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Francisco:


The picture of your safe appears to be identical to the safe on my SM 2000 Hull number 335.  There is no charger for this safe.  The small plastic plug in the lower portion of the keypad area is where you can insert a key (two of which were provided to me when I bought the boat new).  This key allows you to open the safe if the batteries die or some other electrical component fails.  I would contact whoever you bought the boat from and ask them where the keys are.


My keypad actually failed and I corresponded with Hartmann Paderborn and they sent me replacement parts.  They had a replacement kit that included the new keypad, and a new circuit board for about $US 100 as I recall.   The gentleman that I corresponded with was :  Daniel Sommer.  He was very gracious.   His email address is  


insert @ where I have entered (at) 


daniel.commer (at) hartmann-tresore (dot ) de


Again, I emphasize, there is no charger for this safe. The hole is a keyhole.  


Lastly,  a set of batteries leaked in the battery holder inside the door of the safe (a small plastic cover, on the right hand side of the inside of the safe door covers this) and the leakage destroyed the holder.  I sourced a new holder for about $US 2 and soldered into place.  This is easy to work on but if you take the back of the door off to replace items, make sure to catch the small parts that tend to fall out. 


Gary Silver

s/v Liahona

SM 2000 Hull # 335


Re: [Amel] RE: Hartman & Paderborn Safe Electronics Replacement

svperegrinus <no_reply@...>
 

Thank you.


I have called the factory, which requested an e-mail with photo.  I've sent it to them.


If anyone in the forum could send us a scan of the manual, and/or a picture of the charging plug that goes underneath the keypad, I would be most grateful.


Here is a picture of our Hartmann Paderborn Viro safe: 


http://s329.photobucket.com/user/vww12/media/IMG_4204_zpsac22c8ca.jpg.html


Francisco + Odette

s/v Peregrinus

SM2K #350 (October 2001)


Re: Amel Super Maramu Mainsail Outhaul Gearbox

alainfeuillet@...
 

I recently replaced my gearbox Bonfiglioli new and complete for 250€ ref MVF44 P1 70 P63 B14 B3. You can see the ratio is 70. I guess this is interchangeable with the Leroy Somer. I bought it in France at CIR Toulouse.

Hope it may help.

Alain

SM PILGRIM #26


Re: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Mainsail Outhaul Gearbox

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Does anyone know the LeRoy Somer replacement part number of the bronze gear

Bill
BeBe


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:40 PM, <johnericmorton@...> wrote:
 

My mainsail outhaul drive failed recently - motor turning OK but only a rattling sound from the gearbox.  I used a hydraulic ram to remove the centre shaft from the mainsail outhaul gearbox - popped up easily with the maximum 5 tonne applied but only after some careful application of heat using an electric heat gun.  I've taken it apart. The phosphor bronze driven gear has stripped probably because the top gerabox bearing on the output shaft had more or less seized.   I've seen earlier posts on this site regarding this type of failure as well as part numbers and gearbox details.  The price quoted by Amel seems horrendous for the gear only, the complete gearbox cost is even more horrendous. Also not impressed with response time for spares so relcutant to order either of these from this source. Managed to source a more or less identical LeRoy Somer gearbox as part of an industrial secondhand geared motor in excellent condit ion on eBay. (Ratio 1 to 75 rather than 1 to 60). However the helpful vendor could not separate the 240V AC drive motor from the MVA gearbox.  Frustration!!!   I'm sure I can easily source the bearings and seals etc locally to do a full rebuild but it would be a bit of a mission to get a local guy to cut a new one off gearwheel. Has anyone sourced either a replacement gearbox or just the phosphor bronze driven gear from anywhere other than Amel recently? I'm in NZ and keen to get back out on the Hauraki Gulf for the rest of this summer. Thanks for your guidance and help - this Yahoo Group is fantastic and a real credit to all you enthusiastic owners.   John and Mali Morton on Wanderer at Bayswater Marina in Auckland.



Re: [Amel] bow thruster

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alessandro,

If the bow thruster is stopping slightly higher, I am guessing that possibly the lower 2 foam seals are bad, or possibly missing. When was the last time you replaced these?

Bill
BeBe, SM #387


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
 

Not sure I can explain what happened, but you can adjust the maximum height on the worm drive itself, or easier by loosening the turnbuckle at the attachment of the cable at the top of the motor a little.  I'd have a look at the worm drive to make sure nothing is about to fail there.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:05 PM, <agennai@...> wrote:

 

I had a problem with my bow thruster: recently when it raises up , it stops a little higher and I cannot insert the security pin

some could give me any explication about it and how to solve the problem?
thanks
alessandro 
GRAND CRU 
Supermaramu 2k #443
Miami US



Amel Super Maramu Mainsail Outhaul Gearbox

johnericmorton@...
 

My mainsail outhaul drive failed recently - motor turning OK but only a rattling sound from the gearbox.  I used a hydraulic ram to remove the centre shaft from the mainsail outhaul gearbox - popped up easily with the maximum 5 tonne applied but only after some careful application of heat using an electric heat gun.  I've taken it apart. The phosphor bronze driven gear has stripped probably because the top gerabox bearing on the output shaft had more or less seized.   I've seen earlier posts on this site regarding this type of failure as well as part numbers and gearbox details.  The price quoted by Amel seems horrendous for the gear only, the complete gearbox cost is even more horrendous. Also not impressed with response time for spares so relcutant to order either of these from this source. Managed to source a more or less identical LeRoy Somer gearbox as part of an industrial secondhand geared motor in excellent condition on eBay. (Ratio 1 to 75 rather than 1 to 60). However the helpful vendor could not separate the 240V AC drive motor from the MVA gearbox.  Frustration!!!   I'm sure I can easily source the bearings and seals etc locally to do a full rebuild but it would be a bit of a mission to get a local guy to cut a new one off gearwheel. Has anyone sourced either a replacement gearbox or just the phosphor bronze driven gear from anywhere other than Amel recently? I'm in NZ and keen to get back out on the Hauraki Gulf for the rest of this summer. Thanks for your guidance and help - this Yahoo Group is fantastic and a real credit to all you enthusiastic owners.   John and Mali Morton on Wanderer at Bayswater Marina in Auckland.


Re: [Amel] bow thruster

karkauai
 

Not sure I can explain what happened, but you can adjust the maximum height on the worm drive itself, or easier by loosening the turnbuckle at the attachment of the cable at the top of the motor a little.  I'd have a look at the worm drive to make sure nothing is about to fail there.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:05 PM, <agennai@...> wrote:

 

I had a problem with my bow thruster: recently when it raises up , it stops a little higher and I cannot insert the security pin

some could give me any explication about it and how to solve the problem?
thanks
alessandro 
GRAND CRU 
Supermaramu 2k #443
Miami US


bow thruster

agennai@...
 

I had a problem with my bow thruster: recently when it raises up , it stops a little higher and I cannot insert the security pin

some could give me any explication about it and how to solve the problem?
thanks
alessandro 
GRAND CRU 
Supermaramu 2k #443
Miami US


Re: [Amel] Autoprop

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, I have been wondering what a new autoprop cost. I had no idea they were almost six thousand, they must be made of a bronze/gold alloy. A new flexofold  is almost half the price and seemed to outperform the autoprop in all areas other than backing down. They are factory installed on a half dozen major boat manufacturers. You have to wonder what accounts for the price difference. I would be interested to know what you would sell it for, if you like you can email me at sailw32@... ,. Was your prior engine a Volvo TMD 22a ? Thank You, Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul LaFrance
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 2:02 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] Autoprop

 
Pat
We have a used autoprop from our Amel for sale that was refurbished one year ago. We had to go to a different size due to an engine change and Yanmar would not warranty same without the change. Went from 75HP to 100HP. Let me know if you are interested. A new one costs $5,800
Paul & Sue
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently In BVI



To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 06:00:33 -0800
Subject: [Amel] Autoprop

 


I am considering replacing my fixed prop with a folding or feathering prop. My SM  was built in 1994 # 123 . Can someone tell me the model # of the Autoprop that would be right for my boat. Secondly, does anyone know where I may purchase a used one in good condition. 
                                                                         Thank You,
                                                                              Pat


Re: [Amel] Re: dolphin desulphation program

Alan Leslie
 

Hi All,

 

I contacted Doplhin with pictures of my chargers and they tell me that these models only have Gel / Lead Acid selection, no desuplhation mode.

 

I'm going to buy a 30A charger that does have a desuplhation mode and replace the 30A Dolphin.

 

My batteries are showing a loss of capacity as the Link monitor will say 95%, but the battery voltage indicates the capacity is more like 50%.

 

Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel] Autoprop

eric freedman
 

I would suggest contacting autoprop as they need the engine model and tranny info?

Are you in the USA?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of sailw32@...
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Autoprop

 

 

I am considering replacing my fixed prop with a folding or feathering prop. My SM  was built in 1994 # 123 . Can someone tell me the model # of the Autoprop that would be right for my boat. Secondly, does anyone know where I may purchase a used one in good condition. 

                                                                         Thank You,

                                                                             Pat


Re: [Amel] Autoprop

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Pat
We have a used autoprop from our Amel for sale that was refurbished one year ago. We had to go to a different size due to an engine change and Yanmar would not warranty same without the change. Went from 75HP to 100HP. Let me know if you are interested. A new one costs $5,800
Paul & Sue
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently In BVI



To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 06:00:33 -0800
Subject: [Amel] Autoprop

 


I am considering replacing my fixed prop with a folding or feathering prop. My SM  was built in 1994 # 123 . Can someone tell me the model # of the Autoprop that would be right for my boat. Secondly, does anyone know where I may purchase a used one in good condition. 
                                                                         Thank You,
                                                                             Pat


Re: [Amel] Autoprop

karkauai
 

If you let the prop turn while underway it turns the CDrive and seems like it would wear it out sooner.  I know others have let it turn for years (prop charger) without adverse effects.  If you put it in gear it may drag a little more.  I doubt you'd be able to see much difference unless on a looong passage where it could make a day or more difference.  Now, if you're like most of us and sailing alongside another boat...well...that's a race. A half knot might help your ego a bit in those situations...
Kent


On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:

 

Kent, Unfortunately I have a 78 hp. engine, otherwise I would take you up on your offer. I was just reading a independent prop comparison and the flexofold scored very high and can be bought for approx. $3260. , not bad as prices go. The question I need to answer is a 1/2 knot worth that much, considering that the speed advantage diminishes the faster you sail approaching hull speed .  I have always been pleased with the speed under sail with my fixed prop and nothing to wear out or break.Thanks, Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Autoprop

 
Hi Pat.
I have an Autoprop that the company says is sized for a SuperMaramu with 100HP Yanmar.  It came as original equipment on SM243 (1999) with 78 HP Volvo...it was overpropped and didn't allow the Volvo to get up to adequate rpm, causing failure of the turbo requiring replacement twice in the first 5000 miles on the Volvo.  I bought a MaxProp  sized for my Volvo which I was able to adjust for my new 110 HP Yanmar.  I understand that the MaxProp is more forgiving than the AutoProp regarding fowling of the blades with hard growth.  My old AutoProp should be good for you if you have the 100 HP Yanmar.  I would sell it to you for half the cost of a new one.  Unfortunately it can't be adjusted if you have the 78 HP Volvo.
I am in Brunswick, GA   and can ship it to you or you can pick it up there.
Kent
Sm 243 Kristy
Karkauai at yahoo dot com
828 234 6819 



On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, <sailw32@...> wrote:

 
I am considering replacing my fixed prop with a folding or feathering prop. My SM  was built in 1994 # 123 . Can someone tell me the model # of the Autoprop that would be right for my boat. Secondly, does anyone know where I may purchase a used one in good condition. 
                                                                         Thank You,
                                      &nb sp;                                      Pat


Re: [Amel] RE: Autoprop

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I am glad that Kent chimed in.  He indeed has been around the block on this (and an expensive block that was).


My boat has the 75 hp (at 3,800 rpm) turbo Yanmar.  My boat (2001) came fitted with the H6 prop and I now have 1,200 hrs on the prop/engine combination without problem.  I typically motor at 2,200 rpm and once an hour or so will go to max throttle, typically reaching 2,700 to 2,800 rpm (done to prevent coking the turbo).  


You might consider Ken'ts prop, perhaps on a trial basis, but I am guessing that most of the later year Volvo's all had the H6 prop and your engine is rated at more HP than mine.  The 2001 model year was the first year to offer the Yanmar engine and it was originally the 75 hp model such as mine, then later went to the 100-110 hp model. 


Gary

Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote:

Gary, Excuse my oversight, I should have included that my engine is a Volvo TMD 22 A  78 hp. Thanks, Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 10:24 am
Subject: [Amel] RE: Autoprop

 
Hi Pat:

Please tell us your engine model and horsepower to help better answer this question.

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  
Hull # 335
Yanmar 4JH3-TE   
69 hp @ 3,700 rpm (50.7kW)