Hi Bernd

Thanks for getting in touch again. My address is correct as shown
below, however, I have now located a wiring diagram in French, which I
don't understand 100% but can see that the diagram does not answer my
problem, unfortunately. All the diagram shows for the motor, a Perkins
4.236, is a tiny representation of the engine block, but with no engine
specific wiring. In other words, the wiring diagram shows everything
which relates to the boat but no detail for the Perkins electrics.

I've now spent at least four long days of valuable visits to my Mango
in Queensland (1,000 kilometres away from home) exploring the wiring,
including peeling off all of the coverings of the wiring loom and
tracking every cable separately. It's been interesting to say the
least. Right now, I'm armed with a handful of replacement relays and a
new regulator and am itching to get back there to see if I've resolved
the complex problem. If so, I'll make a post to the user group,
including to yourself of course.

Regards, Roger
Message from Roger Banks
Mobile: 0407 91 4601
Home: +61 2 6291 4601

We have just received a letter from Amel advising us that the new boat
will be launched at the Grand Pavois Boat Show in La Rochelle 7-12
September and then in Cannes,Southampton, Genoa, Barcelona, Paris in
December, Dusseldorf in January and Miami in February.
It is a brand new hull design as well as new deck and inside layouts.
It is said to be bigger, faster, and offers more space in her three
cabins. It can be seen at La Rochelle and Hyeres. The new brochure
will be available shortly according to Jean-Jacques Lemonnier.

Great news, let us hope that it will be a great success.

Regards to all, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319

Graham,



LISBON

* Alcantarta marina Lisbon 38-42-079 north 09-10-258 west

* This is where the Amel rep can be found we stayed there. Walking
distance to the market and many restaurants

* You can clear in and out in this marina

* He is the Amel factory rep in Lisbon Elsa Curado and Mario
Sereijo his cell 00351-91-941-1738

* His Other cell phones 91-705-7138

* His Office 351-21-474-5035

* Taxi Lisbon 21-811-1100

* Carlo is very helpful and a sailor . he will pick up at the
airport, get you propane, sail repair ,gas, shopping, provide taxi service
and is very helpful he speaks good English 00-351-91-986-8807

AKI hardware store great hardware store

PORCAO Brazilian charsaraia fun restaurant Sylvie head waiter
21-393-2099, 2090

Fair winds

Eric

Kimberlite Super Maramu 376





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Boyd
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Portugal/Morocco



I am hoping to take my sm from Scotland to Portugal next summer. Has
anyone got any recommendations concerning a good marina in which to
leave the boat for the winter but will also be attractive to visit at
that time of year? Anyone any experience of Moroccan marinas?

Graham Boyd
SM 140 Sula






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Forget about straightening the Wasi as the metal will loose its specs which will make the anchor very unreliable.Stainless still can break if its molecular structure is changed. Straightening your anchor bac kmay have such an effect I'm using a Spade 34 kg stainless steel which is doing reasonably well and it can be trusted. However depending on the holding ground it may give you some surprise like any other anchor. I almost lost my boat with 90 meters of chain and the Spade at the end. It gave way three times in a night. Of course the conditions were a bit outstanding guts 45 to 50 kts depth of 8 meters and obviously a very poor holing ground.
My conclusion is that regardless of how much you trust your anchor as soon as the wind blows seriously keep an eye out. This is the best way to prevent some unfortunate event to spoil your cruise.

Erick MEJEAN
RIGEL II
SM 150

----Original Message Follows----
From: "jrjrjrouse2000" <judyrouse@houston.rr.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bent Anchor
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:43:29 -0000

We will be purchasing a 2002 SM2 early next year. We recently spent 10
days on this boat getting to know her. While anchored in the BVI one
day, the shank of the anchor bent very noticeably. This was not a
windy day but the water was fairly rough in Road Town harbor; nothing
extraordinary. The holding ground was very sticky mud. We understand
that this is the normal WASI stainless steel anchor that Amel provides
with this model boat.

We are considering having the shank straightened and then adding two
bars of stainless to reinforce the shank.

Has anyone experienced this problem? If so, what was your solution?

Thanks in advance.

Judy Rouse

Ian & Judy Jenkins wrote: "Sorry to read about the Wasi. If you have doubts
about it , try a Spade. We
have never used a Wasi but fitted a stainless Spade from new."

Thanks for that tip. The boat already has another 2 Spade anchors which
have never even been in the water, but think those are alloy instead of
stainless. Just hate to trash the Wasi because previous owner absolutely
loved it. Hoped to find a way to salvage it. Will keep your suggestion of
stainless Spade in mind if it comes to a replacement.

Judy Rouse

Every anchors are conceived to be pulled straight "on line".. if,
for some reasons, they are pulled sideway, they usually realign
themselves with the new direction of pull..

With the "old technology anchors" the question was simple, they did
break out.. and they will not bend..

The "new technology" anchors behave differently. As they have a
better holding, they will not break out, but, if by accident, they
are wedged into something "solid" on the sea bottom (for example,
two rocks) they will bend..

It is quite easy to avoid this problem.. and they are several
solutions:
1°) the first one is to use a stronger steel alloy, this is the
solution used by Danforth, Delta.. and Spade!
- For aluminium alloy, it is a different question as it is not
possible to use all available types of aluminium, as some are not
weldable..

2°) the second possibility is to make the shank equally strong in
all directions.. which means a "square" shank. But then, if the
shank will be more solid, and could be pulled in all directions, it
will be by far too heavy and the anchor will not work any longer..
(with the Spade, we already enlarge the shank, this is why the shank
as a trapezoidal cross section – to be compared with other anchor
brands)

I've seen nearly all brand of anchors bent.. but, up to now, I
didn't find the perfectly right solution to this problem..

At least, the possibility to exchange the shank of the Spade is one
advantage.. with other anchors with a fixed shank, if you bend it..
you only have to discard the whole anchor.. With the Spade you only
have to change the shank..

[ We are considering having the shank straightened and then adding
two bars of stainless to reinforce the shank.]

I will not suggest you to do that, a bent (and re- straightened)
metal will always be weaker.. If you don't want to discard the whole
anchor, I will then suggest to find a metal shop specialised in
stainless steel. The will cut a new shank and weld it in place of
the bent one..

I will not either suggest to reinforce the shank.. Yes, the shank
will be stronger.. but the Bügel is already an unbalanced anchor and
doesn't have enough weight on the tip (only 16% of the total anchor
weight, and this is why they need a "roll bar" at the back part of
the blade) If you reinforce the shank, you will also ad some more
weight on the shank and thus decrease further more the weight
repartition on the anchor tip and decrease the setting ability..

Sorry to read about the Wasi. If you have doubts about it , try a Spade. We have never used a Wasi but fitted a stainless Spade from new.It has been put through just about every condition you can encounter in our recent trip through southern Chile and round the Horn and would be the first change of gear on any other boat we ever bought.Can't recommend it highly enough!Ian & Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, Piriapolis, Uruguay

We will be purchasing a 2002 SM2 early next year. We recently spent 10
days on this boat getting to know her. While anchored in the BVI one
day, the shank of the anchor bent very noticeably. This was not a
windy day but the water was fairly rough in Road Town harbor; nothing
extraordinary. The holding ground was very sticky mud. We understand
that this is the normal WASI stainless steel anchor that Amel provides
with this model boat.

We are considering having the shank straightened and then adding two
bars of stainless to reinforce the shank.

Has anyone experienced this problem? If so, what was your solution?

Thanks in advance.

Judy Rouse

This summer the 24v dc motor on my dessalator D50 failed due to the
permanent magnets becoming detached. Dessalator have "never heard of
this happening before" - has anyone else?? My machine has only 930hrs
and since owning this for only 9 months I have been following the
instructions religiously. The cost of a new motor is around Eu1000
delivered to the UK so understandably I am reluctant to do this until
I am convinced there is not a more deepseated problem that others may
already have experienced. i look forward to your comments

Graham G Boyd
SM 140 Sula

I am hoping to take my sm from Scotland to Portugal next summer. Has
anyone got any recommendations concerning a good marina in which to
leave the boat for the winter but will also be attractive to visit at
that time of year? Anyone any experience of Moroccan marinas?

Graham Boyd
SM 140 Sula

Hi Roger, sorry for the long time untill my answere, but I thought that all papers are on the boat. But I found one copy of the wiring diagram at home. I hope it bis correkt to write Your adress as following:
Roger Banks
49 Richter Close
Fadden
ACT 2904
Australia
On my MANGO I have two generators at the engine, one for the starter- and one for the service battery-bank. The shore-power charger just Charges the service bank. The main switch has 4 positions (off, charge, normal and both) as described in the wring diagram. In charge position, the servics bank get charged. in the normal position, the engine can be started and the Charger is switched off from the service bank. Both is for starting the engine in case of empty motor bank. I am afraid it is useably only once, after that the Startermotor is defekt. 600 AH from the service bank is to much for it.
If You have two Generators on Your engine, You don´t need any relay, exept You use aditional a wind generator or a solar panel. The motor bank should be normally fully loaded, because the re use during start is very short and it gets loaded during the engine runs. For the service bank generator I use a electronic alternator regulator from Sterling power products. It works very well, short loading time needed and controls the loading voltage direktly at the battery bank and depending to the battery temperature. that seemed sensful to me, because the battery bank is in the engine room and after a longer engine run You may have a battery temperature of app. 40 ° C. What means the loading voltage of Your generator is as low that You get the battery never fully loaded or it is higher and You may kill Your battery with to high voltage during longer engine runtimes. I fly at the 28. of august to the Kanaries where my boat is. I have a little user manual for the MANGO there. I´ll send You copy, it is written in english.
After I purchased my MANGO I had same problems like You. I changed the wiring like it is shown in the diagram and it works fine now.
I think all the things I wrote You did already know, but I hope the Diagram will help You.
Bernd

Hi John,

They are a great resource.

I also used them to replace the anchor wash down pump, and fresh water wash
down pumps with USA made products.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John and Anne on Bali
Hai
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco toilet pump



Hello Eric,
I am delighted to report that depcopump.com has turned up trumps and
they are sending me a new unit for $150 plus some new impellors for my
engine and genset all at a fraction of the UK price.
Many thanks for your help.

best wishes from Malta, Anne and John Bali Hai SM 319






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Hello Eric,
I am delighted to report that depcopump.com has turned up trumps and
they are sending me a new unit for $150 plus some new impellors for my
engine and genset all at a fraction of the UK price.
Many thanks for your help.

best wishes from Malta, Anne and John Bali Hai SM 319

John,

If they quote you more than $149.00 let me know as I believe that is a
wholesale price and you can use my account.

I took apart my motors to replace the seals and the weep holes in mine were
properly oriented.

Fair winds,

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John and Anne on Bali
Hai
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco Toilet Pumps



Hi Eric,
Thanks for the tip, I am contacting Depco at once. The cost in the UK
for the macerator unit is about USD350 !
My message to Amel hit this site by mistake as I entered the wrong
address for Amel so I deleted the message but luckily you got it.
Amel are on holiday until the end of the month.
I wonder how many other owners fopund that the plastic section of the
pump was wrongly oriented so that the weep holes were above the level
of the bearing of the motor. Just stupid that there are not four weep
holes so that the orientation would not matter.

Hobbling in Malta, John





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Hi Eric,
Thanks for the tip, I am contacting Depco at once. The cost in the UK
for the macerator unit is about USD350 !
My message to Amel hit this site by mistake as I entered the wrong
address for Amel so I deleted the message but luckily you got it.
Amel are on holiday until the end of the month.
I wonder how many other owners fopund that the plastic section of the
pump was wrongly oriented so that the weep holes were above the level
of the bearing of the motor. Just stupid that there are not four weep
holes so that the orientation would not matter.

Hobbling in Malta, John

Hi Rob:

How did your sail go? My partner and I sailed from La Rochelle to St. Lucia in Feb. We're now sailing up the eastern seaboard, but we're considering a pacific crossing.
Any advice?
Regards,
CL.

Rob Brennan <brennan@homemail.com.au> wrote:
Greetings

We are in the process of entering into a swift purchase of Supermaramu 'Serena Azul' from Seattle, USA.

Our timeframe to set sail from San Fransciso is short, and planned departure for Sydney Australia is 28th May.

We'd be keen to hear from any very able sailors, particularly those with Maramu experience, who might be interested in joining the 2 crew - including a Master sailor .

Our email contact is brennan@homemail.com.au or phone Australia 62 6295 9608

We look forward to hearing from you!

Our best wishes

Rob Brennan and Glen McGuire









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John,

I just bought a motor complete with macerator assembly from Depco Pumps in
the USA

For $150.00 US.

Fair winds,

Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John and Anne Hollamby
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco Quietflush Toilets



Dear Olivier,
I refer to my recent Email to you as I have not had a response.
The Email was as follows:-

Dear Olivier,
The seal on the macerator pump on the aft toilet started leaking in July
2004. On stripping it down I found that the assembly had been fitted ninety
degrees wrong so that the weep holes in the plastic seal housing were in
the horizontal plane thus causing the housing to fill up to half full
before allowing the leaking water to escape. I found that both toilets were
wrongly assembled. I corrected this but only now have I discovered that the
salt water effluent had entered the motor and caused major damage.
The silly thing is that the incorrect assembly would not matter if Jabsco
had put four vents in the housing instead of two.
The replacement motors are grossly expensive and I have been in touch with
Jabsco UK who have been pretty unhelpful so far, although they have offered
20% discount on a new motor.
I have told them that the problem is entirely due to bad assemby and that I
assume that Amel buys the units ready assembled and thus were not to blame.
They assert that there is no evidence that Amel do not refit the motors in
the wrong plane and thus evade responsibility.
I should be grateful for your views and especially whether there is any
possibility of your people wasting time to rotate the motors on new units
possibly to ensure that the manufacturers label is on top rather that on
the side of the finished assembly !!!!

Best wishes from Malta where I am recovering from a hip
replacement operation, John Hollamby

It seems inconceivable that Amel would have taken the new toilets apart and
assembled them so that the weep holes were in the horizontal plane thus
inevitably causing the motor to be damaged when the seal eventually started
leaking. It therefore seems to me that ITT Jabsco should replace the ruined
motor completely free of charge.
I can not pursue them directly as I did not purchase them from them and I
therefore ask you to get in touch with your local suppliers to secure a
free replacement for me.
I look forward to hearing from you as a matter of urgency.

Best wishes John



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I have just learnt that the Grand Pavois is this year to be
dedicated to Le Capitaine - Henri Amel, one of the founders of
the GrandPavois. There is news of this and some further news
of interest at the web site:

"http://perso.wanadoo.fr/voilesnews/news_salons.htm";

All in French so if anyone needs help let me know.

Rob Kyle
Amel santorin 54 Khamsin at present in La R.

We have owned a 1982 Maramu for 5 years, and sailed her 5500 nm to Mexico and back, but just spent 10 days sailing between Denmark and Sweden with friends on their 1992 Santorin so have some comparative experience. Fundamentally, the Santorin is about 6000 pounds lighter than the Maramu but the same beam and waterline, so sails at almost 1 kt faster for given wind/sea conditions. Additionally, the Santorin has several convenience factors that our Maramu does not (although some newer ones do) -- in-mast furling, bow-thruster, steps on the stern. Amel also made other improvements with the Santorin, such as moving the fuel tank to the centerline instead of outboard of the passage to the aft cabin, and configuring the drive train with a saildrive unit rather than a shaft. The only real plus to us for the Maramu over the Santorin is the cockpit configuration -- in the Santorin one comes up the companionway to a flat cockpit floor, while the Maramu has the forward part of the floor lowered: the effect of that is that for the Maramu you can stand at the helm completely under the hard dodger, but with the Santorin the dodger is too low to do that. We also prefer the interior layout of the Maramu, but that might just be because we're so used to ours. We love our boat and have no regrets with her, but if I were starting over and the economic factors worked out, would probably choose the Santorin.

If you have any specific questions, I would be happy to try to answer them.

Dave
s/v Air Ops

I hesitate between the purchase of a Santorin or a Maramu
thank you to give me "plus" and "minus" according to your experience

Only one thing is sure : i will be the owner of an Amel boat !!

Thank you