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Re: Heavy Weather Foresail

Bob Fritz
 

As a headsail is reefed by rolling it on the foil, it will develop a bulge or bag in the center portion of the sail. The more that it is reefed, the larger will be the bag destroying the sail shape. This can be problematic if trying to go upwind or even close reaching. To alleviate this problem a piece of foam or other material is sewn into the sail just behind the luff beginning about a third of the way up from the tack of the sail and ending about a third of the way down from the head. (I'm guessing at those dimensions.) This eliminates the baggy portion that occurs during the initial reefing. In my experience this means that you can reef down at least one sail size while maintaining decent sail shape. For example, a 150% sail can be reefed to 135% or maybe 125%. Beyond that the bag reappears. I would never have a cruising foresail built without the foam luff, but that is my personal preference. For me it is well worth the extra money.

Bob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Ian Park
 

Because of the curve of the sail, with no foam luff the top and bottom furl tightly and the fuller centre of the sail furl snot so tightly. So when reeled the centre of the sail becomes more baggy as the wind pulls the furled part tight. It makes a poor, less efficient shape and causes more heel/less forward drive. The foam strips help to maintain the tightly furled shape of the sail.
Don't buy a foresail without it - it's cheaper then retro- fitting it.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96


Super Maramu Blocks

yahoogroups@...
 

Does anyone have a list of the blocks on a Super Maramu that I can match up to the running rigging list?

Bill
BeBe #387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

karkauai
 

Hi Gerhard,
I'm not an afficiando when it comes to different sail materials, and I don't remember the weight of my sails.  I do know they are a high quality dacron with Spectra woven in, and radial cut.  They were made by Banks Sails in Kemah, Texas, a North Sails loft.  I was told that the extra money spent for the higher quality dacron and Spectra would give 50-75% more longevity and that I should expect 12-15 years from these sails with typical cruising.  They have vertical battens about 1 meter long at the leech and are no problem reefing if I pay attention to the position of the boom.
 
When I get back to the boat I can be more specific if that would help.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

From: pepinoamel To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail
 
Hi Rink & Kent,

Thanks for your reply.
What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?
I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?
Gerhard Hoffmann
Pepino SM381, Lefkas, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dennis, this may be a perfect question for Amel owner, Dave Benjamin, of Planet Sails to respond to. I can tell you what I noticed, but he can tell why.

Hopefully Dave will read this and respond.

Bill
BeBe


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Dennis Woods <woods.dennis@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

What exactly does a foam luff do and what are the advantages of specifying over a standard one
Happy Sails
Dennis
il flauto magico sm 408

On 28 Feb 2014, at 10:35, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:


We paid for the foam luff on Hydranet sails we bought in Turkey...well worth it when reefing.

Bill
BeBe


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:41 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi Rink & Kent,


Thanks for your reply.

What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?

I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pep ino SM381, Lefkas, Greece







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

A foam luff seems to help the sail furl more evenly...especially important when reefing a furling sail.

Bill


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Dennis Woods <woods.dennis@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

What exactly does a foam luff do and what are the advantages of specifying over a standard one
Happy Sails
Dennis
il flauto magico sm 408

On 28 Feb 2014, at 10:35, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:


We paid for the foam luff on Hydranet sails we bought in Turkey...well worth it when reefing.

Bill
BeBe


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:41 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi Rink & Kent,


Thanks for your reply.

What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?

I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pep ino SM381, Lefkas, Greece







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Dennis woods
 

Hi Bill,
What exactly does a foam luff do and what are the advantages of specifying over a standard one
Happy Sails
Dennis
il flauto magico sm 408

On 28 Feb 2014, at 10:35, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:


We paid for the foam luff on Hydranet sails we bought in Turkey...well worth it when reefing.

Bill
BeBe


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:41 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi Rink & Kent,


Thanks for your reply.

What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?

I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381, Lefkas, Greece






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

We paid for the foam luff on Hydranet sails we bought in Turkey...well worth it when reefing.

Bill
BeBe


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:41 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi Rink & Kent,


Thanks for your reply.

What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?

I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381, Lefkas, Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Rink De Haan
 

Hello Gerhard,

These are the specifications and price of my new genoa.

110% Genoa All Purpose...................................2.235 euro

Contender Supercruise 9 oz Dacron material

Cross-cut panel design

3-Step Zig-zag seams

SR inox eyelets&rings,

Acrylic Uv protector

Leech+footline+stopper

Tell-tales, bag


Best regards,


Rink

SM2K #330 Razor's Edge


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gerhard,

I am not an Amel owner yet but on my last boat, I had a foam luff.  It made the sail set better when partially reefed.

In my opinion, the foam luff is better value than the higher priced sail cloth options.

Good luck.


Jean-Pierre


On 28 Feb 2014, at 10:41, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Rink & Kent,



Thanks for your reply.

What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?

I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381, Lefkas, Greece



Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Rink & Kent,


Thanks for your reply.

What material, weight and cut did you use for your foresail?

I'm also looking at using Hydra-Net radial from Dimension Polynant OR Fibercon Hybrid with Dyneema from contender, both in radial cut.  Of course, these options are more expensive.  What do you think of a foam luff?  Any thoughts on the above?

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381, Lefkas, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hull Numbering System

tango708@...
 

Bill,
Thank you.  Very informative.

Regards,
Will


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy Weather Foresail

Rink De Haan
 

Experiences and preferences may differ form person to person. We also changed our big genoa for a 110% (yankee) specially for the mediterranen / Agean. I disliked the big sail in the rapidly upcoming gusts and strong winds in that area. I would say the 110% sail is perfect for me in the Agean. We can leave it on full most of the time. With light winds we use the mizzen ballooner as an addition. Works fine most of the time.
But as I 've said. Preferences may differ. I like to sail comfortably.

Rink
SM2k #330 Razor's Edge
Kusadasi Turkey


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CALPEDA AC Pump Gallons Per Minute?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am fairly sure that the CALPEDA pump ID plate on BeBe #387 reads either 1.5 or 1.8 cubic meters/hour. If it is 1.5 cubic meters/hour, that is 6.6 gal/min. If it is 1.8 cubic meters/hour...if so, that is 7.9 gal/min. 

The Climma pump size guide at http://www.veco-na.com/images/Pump_Selection_Guide_for_Climma_Air_Conditioning.doc states that 8 gal/min will handle up to 24,000btu...we have 3 each Climma 9,000btu or 27,000btu total. I do not know if you have felt the temperature of the output water with all 3 A/Cs running, but it is hot. It could be that the CALPEDA pump we have is slightly undersized if I am correct about the ID plate...I am hoping someone can verify this.

This may help you also...it is an email from the Climma rep in the US replying to my question regarding a suitable replacement for the CALPEDA. NOTE: The Climma pump size guide at the above link states that the following pump will handle up to 60,000btu...we have 3 each Climma 9,000btu or 27,000btu total:

You could use the March Pump: AC5-C-MD, 1000GPH, 230v 50/60Hz.  We have this pump in stock and it retails for $422.00.

 

Regards,

Courtney Brown

301-352-5738 Phone

admin"at"veco-na.com


Hope this helps,

Bill
BeBe, #387


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM, svperegrinus <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hello,


The plate on the CALPEDA a/c pump our October 2001 #250 SM2K is quite corroded or worn and I can't figure out how many gallons per minute or litres per minute this pump puts out, and this is a requirement for the A/C project we are undertaking.  

The CALPEDA pump manual onboard has a copy of a chart with what looks like an output chart and apparently the mid point output is 18 gallons per minute, but I don't know if I am reading this March 1988 chart correctly, nor is it clear how the pump would be adjusted to reach this mid point.

The boat has three 900 watts each Climma A/C units served simultaneously by this pump.

If anyone happens to have this information, I'd be much obliged.

s.v. Peregrinus
SM 2000 hull #350 (October 2001)




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hull Numbering System

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I believe this will answer your question regarding the HIN (hull Identification number): http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

Bill
BeBe


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM, <tango708@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone know the hull numbering system that Amel uses?  For example can you determine the year a boat was built by the hull number and are the number sequential?  Is a hull number with an "M" a Maramu or Super Maramu?

Will



Re: Sharki evaluation

jjjk12s@...
 

Reinhold,

The most important thing is which boat is in the best condition and has the best history of care. They are all old. If you are thinking a lot about resale value my opinion is any of these boats are sought after if they are in good condition. If they are neglected and with a high price they stay on the market for ages like any boat. For all the people out there wanting an electric furling Sharki I expect there are at least as many wanting the simplicity of manual. Either your boats 2 or 3 sound good. Think more on whether you personally need the electric furling and bow thruster rather than the resale. If the modifications for electrification have been done well and the parts are standardly available that shouldn't be a negative. I have a 1981 Maramu and one of the things I like about it is that it is simple with a fully battened mainsail helping performance.
Regards, John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CALPEDA AC Pump Gallons Per Minute?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I have the specs for the Calpeda CM-20 Centrifugal Pump Model BMP-35 08.811.203 also called: BCM20E - but I honnestly don't understand it.
If you let me know your email I can send you the .pdf file. If you rather stay anonymous I will just post it on my site and send you the link.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port Lucaya Marina, Freeport, Grand Bahama, The Bahamas.


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On Thu, 2/27/14, svperegrinus <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] CALPEDA AC Pump Gallons Per Minute?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014, 5:09 PM
















 









Hello,
The plate on the CALPEDA a/c pump our October
2001 #250 SM2K is quite corroded or worn and I can't
figure out how many gallons per minute or litres per minute
this pump puts out, and this is a requirement for the A/C
project we are undertaking.  
The CALPEDA pump manual onboard has a copy of a
chart with what looks like an output chart and apparently
the mid point output is 18 gallons per minute, but I
don't know if I am reading this March 1988 chart
correctly, nor is it clear how the pump would be adjusted to
reach this mid point.
The boat has three 900 watts each Climma A/C
units served simultaneously by this pump.
If anyone happens to have this information,
I'd be much obliged.
s.v. PeregrinusSM 2000 hull #350
(October 2001)


CALPEDA AC Pump Gallons Per Minute?

svperegrinus <no_reply@...>
 

Hello,

The plate on the CALPEDA a/c pump our October 2001 #250 SM2K is quite corroded or worn and I can't figure out how many gallons per minute or litres per minute this pump puts out, and this is a requirement for the A/C project we are undertaking.  

The CALPEDA pump manual onboard has a copy of a chart with what looks like an output chart and apparently the mid point output is 18 gallons per minute, but I don't know if I am reading this March 1988 chart correctly, nor is it clear how the pump would be adjusted to reach this mid point.

The boat has three 900 watts each Climma A/C units served simultaneously by this pump.

If anyone happens to have this information, I'd be much obliged.

s.v. Peregrinus
SM 2000 hull #350 (October 2001)



Frigoboat Frigomatic AV 35 F how many PSI and what type of connection?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Dear members,

Still trying to solve the freezer issues.

Does anyone happends to know on the Frigoboat model: Frigomatic AV 35 F how many PSI of R143A is required and what type of connection it has? Is it R22 connection? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port Lucaya Marina, Freeport, Grand Bahamas, The Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: winterizing Amels

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Alan, I changed the heading to reflect the subject. You are right about the sea chest. One of the main purposes of it is to clean the engines, a/c, toilets and pumps and hoses. I pour sew-clean or any drain cleaner in the sea chest to flush and leave in the hoses and toilets while away. In cold weather I use a solution of antifreeze also to leave in the pumps and hoses of the gen set and engine,and a/c units. When I see antifreeze coming out the exhaust it has to be in the whole system. Its a great way to solve all odor and bacterial problems.  John "Moon Dog"SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: derickgates@...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:30:09 -0800
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: Hose diameters

 

Alan,
Can't you just close off the seawater input at the through-hull fitting and run fresh water (a hose) in the sea chest while running (sequentially) the engine; the generator; the A/C sytem; the dessalator (on very low pressure only); flushing the heads?  That should leave fresh water in all the long pipes too.   I have been doing this  procedure when I leave the boat for several months at a time.  The head can still be a little odorous, but is usually not too bad - probably depends most on when the exit hoses were last reamed out/cleaned.
 
I hope to install soon a timer and system-wide freshwater carbon filter (as others have) so that the RO membranes will be fresh water rinsed once a week too during those long absences.
 
Derick
SM2K Brava, #400
Currently at the Sapphire Beach Marina
St. Thomas, USVI

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