Date   

HI scott and diane

Eric Freedman
 

 

Hi,

I received your thumb drive and sliders.

However I do not have your mailing address.

Please mail it to me at

kimberlite@...

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jdrex s40 L connector and manual bilge pump henderson

Mark Erdos
 

If shopping in the USA this is available from any hardware store. However, it is not a plumbing item. It is an irrigation item and will be found in the lawn irrigation department.


Mark

Cream Puff SM2K #275


Re: Jdrex s40 L connector and manual bilge pump henderson

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Herbert,
1. That's a pretty common fitting - here's a link for a Thogus brand one on-line http://www.amazonsupply.com/thogus-nylon-fitting-degree-barbed/dp/B0092VFX7I.   If Yahoo steps on that link when this posted, it's amazonsupply dot com stroke thogus-nylon-fitting-degree-barbed stroke dp stroke B0092VFX71.  If only there was a Home Depot in Zadar!
2. I not on the boat, where I've got the brochure, but I'm pretty sure the pump is a Henderson MK5.  I think Henderson must have been absorbed by Whale, so it's now a "Whale Henderson MK5". You should be able to google it easily.
Cheers,
Craig
s/v Sangaris, SN#68 - Sicily


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jdrex s40 L connector and manual bilge pump henderson

Craig Briggs
 

Herbert,
In that case, if you can't get metric, a 1" NPT to 1" Barb should work nicely. They only differ by 15 1/1000ths and with nylon there's enough wiggle room.
Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote :
The JDREX L piece that I need is 25mm on both sides,
Thanks, Herbert
Am 17.03.2014 um 13:41 schrieb Herbert Lackner <herbert@...>:
1. ) I am looking for a source to buy the PVC L connector for the JDREX S40 pump for the anchor wash (3/4 thread and 3/4 hose). Can only find one out of brass and that seems to be no good idea.........


Re: Genoa Foil Furler Bearings - Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ian,
    You do have to remove the forestay, but it's not too difficult. First drill out the rivets holding the furling extrusion. Then put a rolling hitch around the extrusion using the end of the jib halyard and winch the extrusion up the headstay a bit so it clears out of its socket. You'll have a gap in which you can see the headstay.
    Next, remove the electric motor and lash it clear of the gear housing - you don't have to remove the electric wires.  Then undo the headstay turnbuckle, but first lash the gear box to the bow pulpit, lest it crash down on the deck when the headstay come free.  Carefully lower the gear box to the deck, taking care not to bend the support bracket, which will act like a fulcrum to lower the gear box.  As you lower it down, the headstay will slide out - take care not to bend it too much. Finally, remove the two bolts of the bracket - and Bob's your Uncle.
     Now you can disassemble the furler - you'll want to replace the seals in addition to the bearing, of course.  It's a good time to go up the mast, pop the headstay off. Then you can lower it to a dock, pull the stay out of the extrusion, clean it up and regrease it as you reinsert it.  
     On reassembly, I don't recall the exact size of the rivets, but you may need a larger size riveter than the usual hardware store carries - they are readily available, though.  I would not use bolts because I believe Amel engineered it with the aluminum pop rivets to provide a breakaway capability (like a sheer pin). Thus, if you forget to lower the ballooner halyard and try to furl, the rivets will break before you distort the extrusion (no need to ask how I know that :-)
     Good luck with it.
Craig
s/v Sangaris, SN#68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <ianjpark@...> wrote :

The bearings in the uphaul furler are disintegrating and falling out. Is there anyone able to tell me how to replace them. I have lowered the genoa, but can't swee an obvious way of dismantelling the bearing assembly. Can it be done without removing the forestay?

Have looked through all the files, but can't find anything about this topic.

Thanks

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jdrex s40 L connector and manual bilge pump henderson

Herbert Lackner
 

The JDREX L piece that I need is 25mm on both sides,

Thanks, Herbert

Am 17.03.2014 um 13:41 schrieb Herbert Lackner <herbert@...>:

 


1. ) I am looking for a source to buy the PVC L connector for the JDREX S40 pump for the anchor wash (3/4 thread and 3/4 hose). Can only find one out of brass and that seems to be no good idea.

2.) does anyone know the exact model of the henderson manual bilge pump (santorin 1995) and if that is still available / eventually a replacement model? It disappered in the workshop...

Herbert
Kali Mera, SN120, Zadar


Jdrex s40 L connector and manual bilge pump henderson

Herbert Lackner
 

1. ) I am looking for a source to buy the PVC L connector for the JDREX S40 pump for the anchor wash (3/4 thread and 3/4 hose). Can only find one out of brass and that seems to be no good idea.

2.) does anyone know the exact model of the henderson manual bilge pump (santorin 1995) and if that is still available / eventually a replacement model? It disappered in the workshop...

Herbert
Kali Mera, SN120, Zadar


Genoa Foil Furler Bearings - Santorin

ianjpark@...
 

The bearings in the uphaul furler are disintegrating and falling out. Is there anyone able to tell me how to replace them. I have lowered the genoa, but can't swee an obvious way of dismantelling the bearing assembly. Can it be done without removing the forestay?

Have looked through all the files, but can't find anything about this topic.

Thanks

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Eric,
I did not use Speedi-Sleeve as the local agent did not have the size needed in stock. I have had a look at the SKF web site www2.chicago-rawhide.com but am not clever enough to figure it out. There are two sorts of sleeve,one is only 0.254mm. thick and then there is a heavier duty version LDSLVwear sleeve which has a wall thickness of 2.4mm but they say that even the heavier one suits the original size of oil seal.
They say that these sleeves are supplied with a tool which fits over them so hammer/press? them on and that the flange should be cut before the fitting so that i t can be peeled off by winding it off on the tip of a needle nose plier if it is going to be in the way.
All in all I am happy that I used the ring as specified in my original posting of 09/05/2013 (propshaft wearing ring) as it was so simple to do although perhaps the LDSLV sleeves would have been just as easy if they had been available and if they come in the right length and diameter.
 
                         Best wishes,   Anne and John, Bali Hai,  SM319,  for sale in Malta
 
 

From: sailormon
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft
 
 

Dear Ann and John,

Is there one speedi-sleeve that is long enough to cover the entire wearing out bushing?

Does the curved lip on the speedi-sleeve interfere with the lip seals, or did you have it machined off?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

 

Hello Lars.

There is some excellent advice in the files section on how to do this job. However the bronze replacement bearing from Amel is very expensive and there is, in my opinion a better solution by lining the old bearing with stainless steel. Because I find it very hard to find old messages on this site I am copying two messages to you.  I suggest that you also Google SKF Speedi-sleeve which is so thin that you can still use the same size lip seals. A replacement wearing ring will cost you about €300 and my solution with a s/s bush using the old bearing was under €100 including using an engineer to press it on. I imagine that the Speedy-sleeves would be less.

                   Best wishes,  Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319,  for sale in Malta

From: sv Sangaris

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:27 PM

Subject: [Amel] Propellor Shaft Bushing and Rotary Shaft Seals

 

As we've all experienced, the bronze "wearing-out bushing" (as Amel refers it) gets, well, worn out and grooved from the lip seals. Then water leaks into the oil and we see the tell-tale "chocolate milk" colored oil that says it's time to haul out and replace the seals (cheap) and the "wearing-out bushing" (typically dear in price if supplied by Amel.)
I've had two thoughts on this: switch to a harder bushing of stainless steel and/or try a new (to me) lip seal design by SKF called the Wave Seal. It has the lip in a sinusoidal pattern that spreads the wearing area on the bushing. (SKF is "the world leader in bearing technology.")
I ran this by SKF's engineering department who were most responsive. Here's what their take was on the issue:
"Craig,
My educated guess is that the seals are not an issue in this application. The problem is with the Bronze bushing that is being used as a sealing surface. Bronze is generally quite soft and might not have the required hardness of Rockwell C 30 or higher. You have a few options to solve this issue:
• You can put SKF speedi-sleeve gold on the shaft (P/N 99830). You will probably have to install multiple sleeves as you have 3 seals next to each other.
• You can replace the bronze bushing with a hardened wear sleeve for better abrasion resistance. We can offer you a custom wear sleeve if needed.
• You can plate your bushing with a harder material (Chrome, ceramic, etc) to make it wear resistant.
E
ssentially, the harder the shaft is, the less grooving it will see. I also suggest you to make sure that you grease pack the area between the seals to make sure that the seals not in contact with the oil are well lubricated. A lack of lubrication can cause the seal and surface to wear quicker. Finally I would arrange the seals with 2 facing the water and one facing the oil as long as there is no pressure difference.
Best regards, Jaydeep Laljani, Application Engineer, SKF USA

I wrote back and said:
"Many thanks for your analysis. Frankly, I have wondered why the manufacturer used Bronze in the first place and not stainless - they actually call it a "wearing-out bushing" (but then they do charge a lot for replacements :-).
Next month I'm returning to the boat, which is in Turkey, and I can easily have a local shop turn a new bushing in 316 Stainless (the same material as the shaft and propeller, so no electrolysis issues.) I think that would solve the problem without going to sleeves or plating.
As for the orientation of the seals, I like your suggestion of two facing the water and will do that the next time I change the seals. After all, we're really trying to keep the water out more than keeping the oil in. And, yes, indeed, I always pack the seals with a good water-proof grease and that helps, I'm sure. "

Jaydeep replied with:
"I think you might not get as much life as you want with 316 SS as it is still not up to the required hardness. If you want to go Stainless I recommend 17-4 Stainless steel which is harder. If you are going with the 316 SS I would recommend you to passivate it to improve corrosion resistance. "

So that's the story which I thought might be of interest to the group. I hauled last year and only haul every three years, plus the new seals I put on then only have 300 hours and are not yet leaking so I'll report back in 2015 when I haul again and install a new 17-4 Stainless Steel "Not Wearing-Out Bushing" with two seals facing out!

Cheers, Craig Briggs
s/v SANGARIS, 1992 Santorin #68, Didim Turkey



 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: [bimini frame]

karkauai
 

Thanks John.  I would like to see the pics of what you did.  Send to karkauai (at) yahoo (dot) com.
Steady as she goes .
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Mar 16, 2014, at 12:17 PM, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:

 

Kent, the added length will  allow the frame to fold down. The biggest change height wise, is the forward one and that is the lowest one of them all so the boom clearance is no problem. If there is a problem you may have to raise the topping lift about an inch. As I recall, we cut the tubing and placed some wooden dowels inside of the pieces of tubing to raise it to where we liked it. Basically it was almost the same as Ian had. With the dowels in place and lines tying them in their proper places, you can fold the frames, walk around under it, look at the boom clearance, side view etc. You just keep cutting the dowels until you are happy with every thing. Using the dowels will make sure everything works and looks good before you weld. then measure and take the tubing to your welder and that's it. I can send any one pictures if you send me your e-mail. I don't think I can send via the Amel site. I'm not good at computer things.  John  "Moon Dog"  SM 248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: karkauai@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:07:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
How do you lengthen the supports and still have it fold neatly over Dodger?  Relocate the holes where the supports attach to the dodger, or make telescoping supports?  ...or something else???
Kent
SM243
Kristy

 
 
  
.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

Eric Freedman
 

Dear Ann and John,

Is there one speedi-sleeve that is long enough to cover the entire wearing out bushing?

Does the curved lip on the speedi-sleeve interfere with the lip seals, or did you have it machined off?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

 

 

Hello Lars.

There is some excellent advice in the files section on how to do this job. However the bronze replacement bearing from Amel is very expensive and there is, in my opinion a better solution by lining the old bearing with stainless steel. Because I find it very hard to find old messages on this site I am copying two messages to you.  I suggest that you also Google SKF Speedi-sleeve which is so thin that you can still use the same size lip seals. A replacement wearing ring will cost you about €300 and my solution with a s/s bush using the old bearing was under €100 including using an engineer to press it on. I imagine that the Speedy-sleeves would be less.

 

                   Best wishes,  Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319,  for sale in Malta

 

From: sv Sangaris

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:27 PM

Subject: [Amel] Propellor Shaft Bushing and Rotary Shaft Seals

 

 

As we've all experienced, the bronze "wearing-out bushing" (as Amel refers it) gets, well, worn out and grooved from the lip seals. Then water leaks into the oil and we see the tell-tale "chocolate milk" colored oil that says it's time to haul out and replace the seals (cheap) and the "wearing-out bushing" (typically dear in price if supplied by Amel.)
I've had two thoughts on this: switch to a harder bushing of stainless steel and/or try a new (to me) lip seal design by SKF called the Wave Seal. It has the lip in a sinusoidal pattern that spreads the wearing area on the bushing. (SKF is "the world leader in bearing technology.")
I ran this by SKF's engineering department who were most responsive. Here's what their take was on the issue:
"Craig,
My educated guess is that the seals are not an issue in this application. The problem is with the Bronze bushing that is being used as a sealing surface. Bronze is generally quite soft and might not have the required hardness of Rockwell C 30 or higher. You have a few options to solve this issue:
• You can put SKF speedi-sleeve gold on the shaft (P/N 99830). You will probably have to install multiple sleeves as you have 3 seals next to each other.
• You can replace the bronze bushing with a hardened wear sleeve for better abrasion resistance. We can offer you a custom wear sleeve if needed.
• You can plate your bushing with a harder material (Chrome, ceramic, etc) to make it wear resistant.
E
ssentially, the harder the shaft is, the less grooving it will see. I also suggest you to make sure that you grease pack the area between the seals to make sure that the seals not in contact with the oil are well lubricated. A lack of lubrication can cause the seal and surface to wear quicker. Finally I would arrange the seals with 2 facing the water and one facing the oil as long as there is no pressure difference.
Best regards, Jaydeep Laljani, Application Engineer, SKF USA

I wrote back and said:
"Many thanks for your analysis. Frankly, I have wondered why the manufacturer used Bronze in the first place and not stainless - they actually call it a "wearing-out bushing" (but then they do charge a lot for replacements :-).
Next month I'm returning to the boat, which is in Turkey, and I can easily have a local shop turn a new bushing in 316 Stainless (the same material as the shaft and propeller, so no electrolysis issues.) I think that would solve the problem without going to sleeves or plating.
As for the orientation of the seals, I like your suggestion of two facing the water and will do that the next time I change the seals. After all, we're really trying to keep the water out more than keeping the oil in. And, yes, indeed, I always pack the seals with a good water-proof grease and that helps, I'm sure. "

Jaydeep replied with:
"I think you might not get as much life as you want with 316 SS as it is still not up to the required hardness. If you want to go Stainless I recommend 17-4 Stainless steel which is harder. If you are going with the 316 SS I would recommend you to passivate it to improve corrosion resistance. "

So that's the story which I thought might be of interest to the group. I hauled last year and only haul every three years, plus the new seals I put on then only have 300 hours and are not yet leaking so I'll report back in 2015 when I haul again and install a new 17-4 Stainless Steel "Not Wearing-Out Bushing" with two seals facing out!

Cheers, Craig Briggs
s/v SANGARIS, 1992 Santorin #68, Didim Turkey



 


Re: [bimini frame]

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Kent, the added length will  allow the frame to fold down. The biggest change height wise, is the forward one and that is the lowest one of them all so the boom clearance is no problem. If there is a problem you may have to raise the topping lift about an inch. As I recall, we cut the tubing and placed some wooden dowels inside of the pieces of tubing to raise it to where we liked it. Basically it was almost the same as Ian had. With the dowels in place and lines tying them in their proper places, you can fold the frames, walk around under it, look at the boom clearance, side view etc. You just keep cutting the dowels until you are happy with every thing. Using the dowels will make sure everything works and looks good before you weld. then measure and take the tubing to your welder and that's it. I can send any one pictures if you send me your e-mail. I don't think I can send via the Amel site. I'm not good at computer things.  John  "Moon Dog"  SM 248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: karkauai@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:07:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
How do you lengthen the supports and still have it fold neatly over Dodger?  Relocate the holes where the supports attach to the dodger, or make telescoping supports?  ...or something else???
Kent
SM243
Kristy

 
 
  
.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Pat, will do, may not be till last week of April or so. Ian


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:21:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame



Ian, When you can, could you post a few pics of your bimini . It would be of interest to me and anyone else that may be considering a redesign of their top. Thanks , Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:22 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 

Hi John,    We delayed buying our SM for a couple of years because we thought the bimini was awful, particularly compared to that of the Maramu and Sharki which we had owned. With the latter two, and the Mango, Amel had built wonderful hard topped dodgers which you could stand under ( indeed, you could also stand on top of them ). I am 6 ft ( 183 cm ) plus I wear shoes.
 What annoyed me was there was about 6 inches clearance between to top of the bimini and the mainsheet and I could not understand why Amel didn't take the bimini up as high as it could go. Plus, I couldn't see ahead while at the wheel without cricking my neck, plus I had to demount to bimini when manoevering in dock, plus I could  not see the sails properly to sail, plus I couldn't stand up straight in the cockpit--I could go on!
 Amel sort of conceded that there was a problem when they extended the height of the bimini for the 2000 series but in truth it was a pretty halfhearted effort.
 Needless to say, my suggested modifications fell on deaf ears in La Rochelle but we bought Pen Azen anyway as I was convinced that the bimini could easily be improved upon--and so it proved.
 We did wait awhile but eventually ended up in Brazil with time on our hands and I went to work--it was SO easy. I took the existing three stainless hoops ( Pen Azen is a 2000, SM 302) and had them extended by ( I think) 10cm for the aft two and 15cm for the forward one. You can work out the exact measurements for yourself by taking the measurements to just below the main sheet.
 A welder added the necessary extensions and finished the job so well that you cannot see the joints. We then found a canvas man ( not easily found in Brazil where motor boats outnumber yachts by about 100 to one ) and he made a bimini out of Subrella, the heavy duty version with an impervious interior side .
We used the e xisting  aluminium tube attachment for the  forward part of the bimini .
We chose the angles for the hoops by trial and error--the forward one is pretty vertical.
 We put a full length clear vinyl window right across the front. The zip is at the top of the vinyl so when unzipped the vinyl tucks away neatly under the existing cover and I can stand at the wheel with my head straight out of the window, so to speak, with perfect visibility for manoevering in dock.
We never need to fold the bimini down  while the boat is in commission
 We have wonderful ventilation in the cockpit when required.
 We can sit on the aft deck with clear visibility ahead.
 We have larger side vinyl windows.
 We extended the drop curtain at the aft of the bimini to meet the new height. 
 We added a stainless steel ring to the top of the pin that secures the mizzen boom to th e mast ( there is already one on the bottom of the pin ) and we fitted a stainless pipe from one mizzen shroud to the other side via the new stainless ring--this allow us to attach the bimini extension at the same height as the new bimini and means that I can stand up anywhere in the cockpit.
 The only adjustment we had to make was this---when the main is rolled away the mainsheet just touches the top of the new bimini and would chafe, but we take a simple webbing strap with clips and tighten the mainsheet up to the underside of the main boom, out of the way. As soon as you unroll even half the mainsail the boom is lifted and the mainsheet stands well clear of the bimini, even when the main is sheeted hard to the centre of the track.
 When we leave the boat for any length of time we unzip the bimini ( takes about 5 minutes) and leave it down below. The new hoops still fold away. We then fit a  tonneau cover over the cockpit using the existi ng attachment eyes.

Of all the things we have done to Pen Azen this is, by a country mile, the most rewarding. It transforms your enjoyment of the cockpit. It looks great. It's inexpensive and you get a hell of a bang for your buck.

I did post some photos on the "old" website. I have only today tried the new photo section--what a nightmare ! I haven't been able to find them, but they may be there somewhere.
We won't be back onboard until mid April, otherwise I would send you some fresh ones.

Fair winds,

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ragusa, Sicily.




To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:18:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame



John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: john martin <symoondog@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
 
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123






SM running rigging

yahoogroups@...
 

Gary, 

I looked at your running rigging upload. I noticed that it states that the Genoa sheet 16 mm polyester 42 meters. And the Excel file that I uploaded states the Genoa sheet is 18mm, length 2 each of 21m Polyester red mark. The length is the same but the diameter is different. 

I have tried both 16mm and 18mm. I really prefer the 18mm. I recently purchased 42 meters of 3/4" (18mm), STA-SET series from New England Rope. I really like it. It is not as stiff as the original and is not prone to kinks.

Bill
BeBe 387





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

Patrick McAneny
 

Ian, When you can, could you post a few pics of your bimini . It would be of interest to me and anyone else that may be considering a redesign of their top. Thanks , Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:22 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 

Hi John,    We delayed buying our SM for a couple of years because we thought the bimini was awful, particularly compared to that of the Maramu and Sharki which we had owned. With the latter two, and the Mango, Amel had built wonderful hard topped dodgers which you could stand under ( indeed, you could also stand on top of them ). I am 6 ft ( 183 cm ) plus I wear shoes.
 What annoyed me was there was about 6 inches clearance between to top of the bimini and the mainsheet and I could not understand why Amel didn't take the bimini up as high as it could go. Plus, I couldn't see ahead while at the wheel without cricking my neck, plus I had to demount to bimini when manoevering in dock, plus I could  not see the sails properly to sail, plus I couldn't stand up straight in the cockpit--I could go on!
 Amel sort of conceded that there was a problem when they extended the height of the bimini for the 2000 series but in truth it was a pretty halfhearted effort.
 Needless to say, my suggested modifications fell on deaf ears in La Rochelle but we bought Pen Azen anyway as I was convinced that the bimini could easily be improved upon--and so it proved.
 We did wait awhile but eventually ended up in Brazil with time on our hands and I went to work--it was SO easy. I took the existing three stainless hoops ( Pen Azen is a 2000, SM 302) and had them extended by ( I think) 10cm for the aft two and 15cm for the forward one. You can work out the exact measurements for yourself by taking the measurements to just below the main sheet.
 A welder added the necessary extensions and finished the job so well that you cannot see the joints. We then found a canvas man ( not easily found in Brazil where motor boats outnumber yachts by about 100 to one ) and he made a bimini out of Subrella, the heavy duty version with an impervious interior side .
We used the e xisting  aluminium tube attachment for the  forward part of the bimini .
We chose the angles for the hoops by trial and error--the forward one is pretty vertical.
 We put a full length clear vinyl window right across the front. The zip is at the top of the vinyl so when unzipped the vinyl tucks away neatly under the existing cover and I can stand at the wheel with my head straight out of the window, so to speak, with perfect visibility for manoevering in dock.
We never need to fold the bimini down  while the boat is in commission
 We have wonderful ventilation in the cockpit when required.
 We can sit on the aft deck with clear visibility ahead.
 We have larger side vinyl windows.
 We extended the drop curtain at the aft of the bimini to meet the new height. 
 We added a stainless steel ring to the top of the pin that secures the mizzen boom to th e mast ( there is already one on the bottom of the pin ) and we fitted a stainless pipe from one mizzen shroud to the other side via the new stainless ring--this allow us to attach the bimini extension at the same height as the new bimini and means that I can stand up anywhere in the cockpit.
 The only adjustment we had to make was this---when the main is rolled away the mainsheet just touches the top of the new bimini and would chafe, but we take a simple webbing strap with clips and tighten the mainsheet up to the underside of the main boom, out of the way. As soon as you unroll even half the mainsail the boom is lifted and the mainsheet stands well clear of the bimini, even when the main is sheeted hard to the centre of the track.
 When we leave the boat for any length of time we unzip the bimini ( takes about 5 minutes) and leave it down below. The new hoops still fold away. We then fit a  tonneau cover over the cockpit using the existi ng attachment eyes.

Of all the things we have done to Pen Azen this is, by a country mile, the most rewarding. It transforms your enjoyment of the cockpit. It looks great. It's inexpensive and you get a hell of a bang for your buck.

I did post some photos on the "old" website. I have only today tried the new photo section--what a nightmare ! I haven't been able to find them, but they may be there somewhere.
We won't be back onboard until mid April, otherwise I would send you some fresh ones.

Fair winds,

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ragusa, Sicily.




To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:18:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame



John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: john martin <symoondog@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
 
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all when we got our SM 209 we added 13" to each of the supports then had a new cockpit Cover made that included a large clear panel so we could see the sails set and didn't have to fold up for docking or stand up visibility. We also had a cover made for hot sunny days in port. the top cleared the main sheet. So no issues there. At the back side we had roll up half clear half
Sunbrella. These have a center section that is a roll up door. Effectively we have a pilot house in rain or cold weather. 
Glad to have on ocean crossings and cooler/cold weather. On hot days it's a sun shade. 

Regards 
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 14, 2014, at 15:22, Ian & Judy <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

 


Hi John,    We delayed buying our SM for a couple of years because we thought the bimini was awful, particularly compared to that of the Maramu and Sharki which we had owned. With the latter two, and the Mango, Amel had built wonderful hard topped dodgers which you could stand under ( indeed, you could also stand on top of them ). I am 6 ft ( 183 cm ) plus I wear shoes.
 What annoyed me was there was about 6 inches clearance between to top of the bimini and the mainsheet and I could not understand why Amel didn't take the bimini up as high as it could go. Plus, I couldn't see ahead while at the wheel without cricking my neck, plus I had to demount to bimini when manoevering in dock, plus I could  not see the sails properly to sail, plus I couldn't stand up straight in the cockpit--I could go on!
 Amel sort of conceded that there was a problem when they extended the height of the bimini for the 2000 series but in truth it was a pretty halfhearted effort.
 Needless to say, my suggested modifications fell on deaf ears in La Rochelle but we bought Pen Azen anyway as I was convinced that the bimini could easily be improved upon--and so it proved.
 We did wait awhile but eventually ended up in Brazil with time on our hands and I went to work--it was SO easy. I took the existing three stainless hoops ( Pen Azen is a 2000, SM 302) and had them extended by ( I think) 10cm for the aft two and 15cm for the forward one. You can work out the exact measurements for yourself by taking the measurements to just below the main sheet.
 A welder added the necessary extensions and finished the job so well that you cannot see the joints. We then found a canvas man ( not easily found in Brazil where motor boats outnumber yachts by about 100 to one ) and he made a bimini out of Subrella, the heavy duty version with an impervious interior side .
We used the existing  aluminium tube attachment for the  forward part of the bimini .
We chose the angles for the hoops by trial and error--the forward one is pretty vertical.
 We put a full length clear vinyl window right across the front. The zip is at the top of the vinyl so when unzipped the vinyl tucks away neatly under the existing cover and I can stand at the wheel with my head straight out of the window, so to speak, with perfect visibility for manoevering in dock.
We never need to fold the bimini down  while the boat is in commission
 We have wonderful ventilation in the cockpit when required.
 We can sit on the aft deck with clear visibility ahead.
 We have larger side vinyl windows.
 We extended the drop curtain at the aft of the bimini to meet the new height. 
 We added a stainless steel ring to the top of the pin that secures the mizzen boom to the mast ( there is already one on the bottom of the pin ) and we fitted a stainless pipe from one mizzen shroud to the other side via the new stainless ring--this allow us to attach the bimini extension at the same height as the new bimini and means that I can stand up anywhere in the cockpit.
 The only adjustment we had to make was this---when the main is rolled away the mainsheet just touches the top of the new bimini and would chafe, but we take a simple webbing strap with clips and tighten the mainsheet up to the underside of the main boom, out of the way. As soon as you unroll even half the mainsail the boom is lifted and the mainsheet stands well clear of the bimini, even when the main is sheeted hard to the centre of the track.
 When we leave the boat for any length of time we unzip the bimini ( takes about 5 minutes) and leave it down below. The new hoops still fold away. We then fit a  tonneau cover over the cockpit using the existing attachment eyes.

Of all the things we have done to Pen Azen this is, by a country mile, the most rewarding. It transforms your enjoyment of the cockpit. It looks great. It's inexpensive and you get a hell of a bang for your buck.

I did post some photos on the "old" website. I have only today tried the new photo section--what a nightmare ! I haven't been able to find them, but they may be there somewhere.
We won't be back onboard until mid April, otherwise I would send you some fresh ones.

Fair winds,

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ragusa, Sicily.




To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:18:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame



John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: john martin <symoondog@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
 
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 


Hi John,    We delayed buying our SM for a couple of years because we thought the bimini was awful, particularly compared to that of the Maramu and Sharki which we had owned. With the latter two, and the Mango, Amel had built wonderful hard topped dodgers which you could stand under ( indeed, you could also stand on top of them ). I am 6 ft ( 183 cm ) plus I wear shoes.
 What annoyed me was there was about 6 inches clearance between to top of the bimini and the mainsheet and I could not understand why Amel didn't take the bimini up as high as it could go. Plus, I couldn't see ahead while at the wheel without cricking my neck, plus I had to demount to bimini when manoevering in dock, plus I could  not see the sails properly to sail, plus I couldn't stand up straight in the cockpit--I could go on!
 Amel sort of conceded that there was a problem when they extended the height of the bimini for the 2000 series but in truth it was a pretty halfhearted effort.
 Needless to say, my suggested modifications fell on deaf ears in La Rochelle but we bought Pen Azen anyway as I was convinced that the bimini could easily be improved upon--and so it proved.
 We did wait awhile but eventually ended up in Brazil with time on our hands and I went to work--it was SO easy. I took the existing three stainless hoops ( Pen Azen is a 2000, SM 302) and had them extended by ( I think) 10cm for the aft two and 15cm for the forward one. You can work out the exact measurements for yourself by taking the measurements to just below the main sheet.
 A welder added the necessary extensions and finished the job so well that you cannot see the joints. We then found a canvas man ( not easily found in Brazil where motor boats outnumber yachts by about 100 to one ) and he made a bimini out of Subrella, the heavy duty version with an impervious interior side .
We used the existing  aluminium tube attachment for the  forward part of the bimini .
We chose the angles for the hoops by trial and error--the forward one is pretty vertical.
 We put a full length clear vinyl window right across the front. The zip is at the top of the vinyl so when unzipped the vinyl tucks away neatly under the existing cover and I can stand at the wheel with my head straight out of the window, so to speak, with perfect visibility for manoevering in dock.
We never need to fold the bimini down  while the boat is in commission
 We have wonderful ventilation in the cockpit when required.
 We can sit on the aft deck with clear visibility ahead.
 We have larger side vinyl windows.
 We extended the drop curtain at the aft of the bimini to meet the new height. 
 We added a stainless steel ring to the top of the pin that secures the mizzen boom to the mast ( there is already one on the bottom of the pin ) and we fitted a stainless pipe from one mizzen shroud to the other side via the new stainless ring--this allow us to attach the bimini extension at the same height as the new bimini and means that I can stand up anywhere in the cockpit.
 The only adjustment we had to make was this---when the main is rolled away the mainsheet just touches the top of the new bimini and would chafe, but we take a simple webbing strap with clips and tighten the mainsheet up to the underside of the main boom, out of the way. As soon as you unroll even half the mainsail the boom is lifted and the mainsheet stands well clear of the bimini, even when the main is sheeted hard to the centre of the track.
 When we leave the boat for any length of time we unzip the bimini ( takes about 5 minutes) and leave it down below. The new hoops still fold away. We then fit a  tonneau cover over the cockpit using the existing attachment eyes.

Of all the things we have done to Pen Azen this is, by a country mile, the most rewarding. It transforms your enjoyment of the cockpit. It looks great. It's inexpensive and you get a hell of a bang for your buck.

I did post some photos on the "old" website. I have only today tried the new photo section--what a nightmare ! I haven't been able to find them, but they may be there somewhere.
We won't be back onboard until mid April, otherwise I would send you some fresh ones.

Fair winds,

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ragusa, Sicily.




To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sailw32@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:18:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame



John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: john martin
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
 
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

karkauai
 

How do you lengthen the supports and still have it fold neatly over Dodger?  Relocate the holes where the supports attach to the dodger, or make telescoping supports?  ...or something else???
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:

 

John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: john martin <symoondog@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
 
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Patrick,
Sorry, I have no photos because I have not got around to making the improvement as I had just got a new cover which is still good. I recall Ian giving details and pics about 8-10 years ago. You might find them if you go through the site starting from the beginning or perhaps John Martin can help. It looks as if his solution is a Mk 2 version.
 
                                       Good hunting,    Anne and John,  Bali Hai, SM319, Malta
 

Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 

John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: john martin
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...?] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

Patrick McAneny
 

John, Are there photos where I might see what Ian or what you did. I am planning to modify my frame this spring and am looking for designs. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: john martin
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
I followed Ian's plan with just  a few changes. It has made sailing and docking an Amel a new experience. We put a zippered glass across most of the forward part so it can be dropped down when docking, or when just enjoying the view while sailing in harbors and narrow channels. The dodger is the same length as the old. The only change is the height, plus the boat looks better from the side as the front of the dodger doesn't slant down like the old one did. My wife and I can both look around through the same window. I have my hands on the wheel, standing up straight and looking all around. It is the best thing I have ever done to improve the Amel. Thank you Ian...John  " Moon Dog" SM248
 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame

 
Dear Eric,
I recall that many years ago Ian and Judy on Penazen posted pics and details of what seemed to me to be excellent improvements to the Canvas dodger. They had made them to increase the headroom as he is over six feet tall and to make it possible to sit on the front of the aft cabintop and still see forward. When we met he told me that they had lengthened the forward frame by 10cms and the other two by 15cms.
This made the front section vertical and this was almost entirely clear plastic so that they could see the horizon and also the trim of the genny . I do not recall whether they had put a small window in the canvas so that they could see the trim of the main. I think that the dodger was longer so that it could be secured to the mizzen shrouds. I am pretty sure that it could still be folded forward when necessary.
              
                               Best wishes,    Anne and John
 
From: sailormon
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
 
When I had my bimini replaced, I had them add zippers to the underside of it in the pockets for the frames..
That makes removal and replacement a snap.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Frame
 
I think I'll modify mine when the current canvas is shot.  Was thinking of telescoping side supports that would lengthen to put up and shorten to fold flat.  Any other ideas?
I don't have much room below the boom to raise the canvas.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Brunswick GA USA


On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:17 PM, <sailw32@...> wrote:
 
Most of the photos of Super Maramus I have seen have a cockpit frame that angles up much more than my 1994 SM . My frame folds down very nicely , and I like be able to fold it down. We are having a new Bimini made this spring and we would like more headroom. My question , did Amel change the frame design or has all those Amel owner's lengthened / modified their frames ? Secondly , can those frames fold down ? I prefer the way mine looks, lower and sleeker , but the added headroom would be nice.
                                                                                                  Thanks , Pat SM #123