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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM...crazy price...what is the real back story.
Patrick McAneny
In a message dated 4/24/2014 1:17:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ericmeury@... writes:
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Amel SM...crazy price...what is the real back story.
ericmeury@...
A friend of mine found this online.
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/42288 The price is 185k for a 1996 SM. Seems really inexpensive to me. - maybe too good to be true. Repo maybe? What is the real story here. Anybody know this boat?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners
Peter Killen
Hi, We are on the water world marina, Cole Bay, hoping to depart for the states this afternoon. We were planning to sail via Bermuda, but based on the weather forecast have decided to head directly. Good sailing Peter Pure Magic 433
On 23 Apr 2014, at 23:40, sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
Craig Scott
José,
I have posted a picture of the motor and brake assembly in the Lone Star - A54 #101 album. The motor is fine. My problem is getting a replacement for the electromagnetic brake.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
Craig Scott
Thanks for the reply.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
Craig Scott
I have done that and the motor and brake were refurbished. The brake, however, now requires 35VDC before it will engage.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
So my comments made it clear as mud, eh? Great, glad to be of help (-: Kent
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:56 AM, <andrew.lamb@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
Andrew & Kate Lamb
So we take our boat out next week to clean and change the anodes - ours has the red plastic cap - I was convinced by recent discussions that I should fit it with a propeller anode. Now I am not so sure!? Andrew & Kate Ronpische SM 472 Canet-en-Roussillon
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
The corrosion/electrolytic? damage was primarily under the "wearing out bearing" aft of the inner Oring. That is an area that has free flow of sea water between the bearing and the shaft, so maybe not a hypoxic environment There is a hole about 2mm in diameter and depth that is aft of the bearing, and there is discoloration and loss of sheen to the shaft forward of the Oring still under the bearing. I will inspect for any evidence of voltage leak, which I think I may find related to the installation of three new chargers about a year ago. Amel believes that you can "overzinc" which may cause problems as well. They believe that on our SM's the two zincs on the rudder "balance" the system appropriately. I didn't have a prop zinc when I bought the boat, and instead had the red plastic cap that was supplied with the AutoProp. When I switched to the MaxProp it was supplied with a zinc, so I used it. I've seen that prop zinc disappear about twice as fast as the rudder zincs, so I think it's doing something...?something good?...I don't know now. I'm still reading about bonding systems and haven't found anything yet that makes it perfectly clear to me. If I run across anything that makes it easier to understand I will post it here. It seems to be a complicated subject that doesn't have absolutely clear answers...there seems to be an "art" to it as well as the science. Henri was as much an "artiste" as anyone when it comes to building boats, so I'm leaving things the way he designed them. Kent ( you can call me "Rusty") SM243 Kristy On the hard in Fernandina Beach, FL
From: "divanz620@..." To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:50 AM Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated You could be right...the voltage potential is just so overwhelming everything goes.... I can't find a lot of logic in most of this.... I've just antifouled and refurbished the Autoprop with new bearings...and after seeing the shaft corrosion on (your?) shafts, I've installed the prop zinc that comes with the bearing kit... I see the 54s have it whereas our SM53s don't ...why ?? Also I showed those pics to an engineer here and he thinks it is crevice corrosion caused by Stainless steel operating in an oxygen deprived environment...which could be the case if the outer seals failed, but the inners didn't....more food for thought....... Cheers Alan SV Elyse SM437 Gulf Harbour NZ ...currently
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
I added a 12 V charger to keep the start battery topped up when at the dock for long periods. My FireBoy fire suppression system uses a small amperage and will deplete the battery after a couple of weeks. When I am cruising the alternators keep it topped up so I don't have to use the charger. Kent SM243 Kristy
From: "andrew.lamb@..." To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:00 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated Ok sounds like I should leave well alone - in our last boat the -VE poles were tied together between the house and engine batteries with one common (black) master switch and the positive poles had separate (red) master switches the combined circuits were isolated though. I am keen to monitor the battery state as the only charging appears to be from (I think) the genset or engine alternator and given that both of these need the battery to be charged to start... - there appears to be no charging from the shore power - I think I will install a separate battery monitor, to monitor the health of the engine battery. Good tip on the jump leads - I did come across these at the bottom of a locker. Andrew & Kate Ronpische SM 472 Canet-en-Rousillon
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Alan and Richard,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I had GLASS batteries in my last boat. They require some very specific handling. I will use lead/acid in any cruising vessel I purchase. Jean-Pierre
On 24 Apr 2014, at 14:37, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi if you change to glass batteries that are no maintenance you also need to change the charging pattern of your charging system that's the downside. The second downside is depending on where you cruise glass batteries may not be available should you need a replacement. Under no circumstances can you mix and match AGM batteries and Lead acid. Camil has designed a pretty good system you might want to stick with it for a while and just leave it be. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330
On Apr 24, 2014, at 7:12, <divanz620@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
The first thing to do is (if you have not already done so) is
to take it to a specialist electric motor repair facility and hope. I have been
amazed at the repairs that can be effected on motors that I have taken in here
in Malta including the sea water damaged one I had repaired a couple of weeks
ago.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2k 319
for sale in Malta
From: lior 555
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling
Motor
Hi Craig
I also searched where I can get this motor.
You can get the motor from Amel. It costs about 750 €. It is only possible
to order 10 motors from Emerson but you will have to wait many weeks an it will
cost about 550 €/motor. I did not find any other supplier.
Lior
Amel 54 #18 SHARONA
2014-04-24 3:08 GMT+02:00 <sv.lonestar@...>:
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Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the start battery, I don't. The main engine has a dedicated alternator to charge the start battery...so every time you run the engine the start battery is charged...just like your car...do you have a monitor for that ?....I'm guessing the answer is no... Same with the genset...there's a dedicated alternator that charges the start battery (same battery as the engine charges) So in total...don't worry about it...just keep it topped up with distilled water.....or better, do what I'm gong to do and replace it with a no-maintenance AGM battery Cheers Alan SV Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
You could be right...the voltage potential is just so overwhelming everything goes.... I can't find a lot of logic in most of this.... I've just antifouled and refurbished the Autoprop with new bearings...and after seeing the shaft corrosion on (your?) shafts, I've installed the prop zinc that comes with the bearing kit... I see the 54s have it whereas our SM53s don't ...why ?? Also I showed those pics to an engineer here and he thinks it is crevice corrosion caused by Stainless steel operating in an oxygen deprived environment...which could be the case if the outer seals failed, but the inners didn't....more food for thought....... Cheers Alan SV Elyse SM437 Gulf Harbour NZ ...currently
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
Depending on price I might be interested in a spare motor. Peter Forbes Amel 54 # 035 07836 209730
On 24 Apr 2014, at 10:53, "jose esteller" <jose.esteller@...> wrote:
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Re: A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
ESTELLER
Hi Craig I think the main sail furling can be manufactured by LEROY SOMER in France, as the others systems used before in SM. Can you post the references of the motor and perhaps a photo? With them I will try ask this manufacturer. Past time I had the same problem with the main sail motor in my SM 2000 and I found the motor directly. I am very interested on this because perhaps in the future I can found the same problem with my actual 54 ORION! Best regards
José Esteller Expert près la Cour d'Appel de Montpellier (H) Expert près la Cour Administrative d'Appel de Marseille Tel +33467844519 Fax +33467844521
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: perkins 4.154 mountings
nezih nezih
Thank you all, for your advice. Ross, Im not sure to wait for weeks; Because there is not much time before hurricane season;but I wonder what kind of mounts they are. I asked these mounts from us,uk and they answered not have them at all. My maramu i,s 1981/88 . Vetüs mounts are very different. If I can not find the same ones I have hope to change the buffers. Now Im waiting the answer of Amel to my email. Maybe someone has same as next before replace new engine. Im at Belize and searching rebuilt kitts. Belize is easy for transit shipping (no tax). I will sail to Cuba to rebuilt the engine. I had been there 3 month. I saw that they are exellent on engine; exactly on old engines like perkins. There is very cheap. Regards Nezih Kilinckini Mahayana 1981/88
On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:28 AM, nezih nezih wrote:
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Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
Andrew & Kate Lamb
Ok sounds like I should leave well alone - in our last boat the -VE poles were tied together between the house and engine batteries with one common (black) master switch and the positive poles had separate (red) master switches the combined circuits were isolated though. I am keen to monitor the battery state as the only charging appears to be from (I think) the genset or engine alternator and given that both of these need the battery to be charged to start... - there appears to be no charging from the shore power - I think I will install a separate battery monitor, to monitor the health of the engine battery. Good tip on the jump leads - I did come across these at the bottom of a locker. Andrew & Kate Ronpische SM 472 Canet-en-Rousillon
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling Motor
lior 555 <lior246@...>
Hi Craig I also searched where I can get this motor. You can get the motor from Amel. It costs about 750 €. It is only possible to order 10 motors from Emerson but you will have to wait many weeks an it will cost about 550 €/motor. I did not find any other supplier.
Lior Amel 54 #18 SHARONA
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