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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Roy Duddy <RDuddy@...>
 

Eric,

We live in Hampton, NH. Just flying home.

Roy

On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:35 PM, sailormon wrote:

 

Where are you going in the USA?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of peter killen
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

 

Hi,

We are on the water world marina, Cole Bay, hoping to depart for the states this afternoon.  We were planning to sail via Bermuda, but based on the weather forecast have decided to head directly.

 

Good sailing

 

Peter

 

Pure Magic 433


On 23 Apr 2014, at 23:40, sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

We are in the Simpson Bay marina in about slip C-18.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

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New Thread! I am at Simpson Bay Resort, St. Maarten

I jus looked out and saw an Amel anchored. I am wondering who it might be? Too far for my eyesight.
I will go to the yacht club this afternoon to see if she goes through the bridge.

Roy Duddy
Unwineding
Shark 123
Portsmouth, NH



Roy A. Duddy
603-315-9600 cell
603-668-9000 office





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alan,

I have the wiring instructions from Leece Neville to add a smart regulator.

There may also be an Amel alarm relay to let you know when the 175 amp alternator is not charging...you will need to figure that one out.

I will post the wiring instructions later today.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On Apr 25, 2014 11:28 AM, <divanz620@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jean Pierre,


I had AGM batteries in my last boat. They were 5 years old when I sold the boat and in top condition.  We had a large alternator on the engine with a 3 stage regulator plus solar panels with an MPPT controller, and this system kept the batteries in good condition.


Our Amel has a 175Amp alternator on the engine that has an automotive regulator in it...ie it produces 28.8 V all the time its running.

This is no good for any deep cycle battery, AGM or flooded...this I believe has been the nail in the coffin for my current lead calcium batteries....long hours of motoring with the voltage staying at 28.8


Deep cycle batteries need a bulk stage (max current until voltage rises to a preset value e.g. 28.8V), and absorption phase (constant voltage e.g. 28.8V until the current drops to a value of around 5% of total Ah capacity) then a float stage (constant voltage e.g. 26V)...this is what the dolphin chargers run from your genset do.


I'm replacing the 12 x 12V batteries with 12 x 6v AGM batteries wired 4 in series and then 3 banks in parallel.


I'm taking the automotive reg out of the 175A alternator and setting up a Next Step 3 stage reg...


And I'm putting up an arch (ala Bebe) on the stern to carry 3 x 190W solar panels wired in parallel and with an MPPT controller.


This setup will keep my new AGM batteries in good condition, as they were on my last boat, I am sure.


Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437 ...still on the hard at Gulf Harbour - weather !!

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello Alan and Richard,

I had GLASS batteries in my last boat.  They require some very specific handling.  I will use lead/acid in any cruising vessel I purchase.

Jean-Pierre



On 24 Apr 2014, at 14:37, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

 

Hi if you change to glass batteries that are no maintenance you also need to change the charging pattern of your charging system that's the downside. The second downside is depending on where you cruise glass batteries may not be available should you need a replacement. Under no circumstances can you mix and match AGM batteries and Lead acid. 
Camil has designed a pretty good system you might want to stick with it for a while and just leave it be. 

Regards 
Richard Piller

On Apr 24, 2014, at 7:12, <divanz620@...> wrote:

 

Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the start battery, I don't.

The main engine has a dedicated alternator to charge the start battery...so every time you run the engine the start battery is charged...just like your car...do you have a monitor for that ?....I'm guessing  the answer is no...


Same with the genset...there's a dedicated alternator that charges the start battery (same battery as the engine charges)


So in total...don't worry about it...just keep it topped up with distilled water.....or better, do what I'm gong to do and replace it with a no-maintenance AGM battery


Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Jean Pierre,


I had AGM batteries in my last boat. They were 5 years old when I sold the boat and in top condition.  We had a large alternator on the engine with a 3 stage regulator plus solar panels with an MPPT controller, and this system kept the batteries in good condition.


Our Amel has a 175Amp alternator on the engine that has an automotive regulator in it...ie it produces 28.8 V all the time its running.

This is no good for any deep cycle battery, AGM or flooded...this I believe has been the nail in the coffin for my current lead calcium batteries....long hours of motoring with the voltage staying at 28.8


Deep cycle batteries need a bulk stage (max current until voltage rises to a preset value e.g. 28.8V), and absorption phase (constant voltage e.g. 28.8V until the current drops to a value of around 5% of total Ah capacity) then a float stage (constant voltage e.g. 26V)...this is what the dolphin chargers run from your genset do.


I'm replacing the 12 x 12V batteries with 12 x 6v AGM batteries wired 4 in series and then 3 banks in parallel.


I'm taking the automotive reg out of the 175A alternator and setting up a Next Step 3 stage reg...


And I'm putting up an arch (ala Bebe) on the stern to carry 3 x 190W solar panels wired in parallel and with an MPPT controller.


This setup will keep my new AGM batteries in good condition, as they were on my last boat, I am sure.


Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437 ...still on the hard at Gulf Harbour - weather !!

---In amelyachtowners@..., <jgermain@...> wrote :

Hello Alan and Richard,

I had GLASS batteries in my last boat.  They require some very specific handling.  I will use lead/acid in any cruising vessel I purchase.

Jean-Pierre



On 24 Apr 2014, at 14:37, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

 

Hi if you change to glass batteries that are no maintenance you also need to change the charging pattern of your charging system that's the downside. The second downside is depending on where you cruise glass batteries may not be available should you need a replacement. Under no circumstances can you mix and match AGM batteries and Lead acid. 
Camil has designed a pretty good system you might want to stick with it for a while and just leave it be. 

Regards 
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 24, 2014, at 7:12, <divanz620@...> wrote:

 

Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the start battery, I don't.

The main engine has a dedicated alternator to charge the start battery...so every time you run the engine the start battery is charged...just like your car...do you have a monitor for that ?....I'm guessing  the answer is no...


Same with the genset...there's a dedicated alternator that charges the start battery (same battery as the engine charges)


So in total...don't worry about it...just keep it topped up with distilled water.....or better, do what I'm gong to do and replace it with a no-maintenance AGM battery


Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437



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Re: A54 Main Sail Furling Motor

ESTELLER
 

Hi Craig,
I see the photo, but unfortunately  the references of the motor can not be full read. So can you send a new photo in wich all the references can be read? Perhaps a photo of only the plate is better and sufficient 
Best regards 
José AMEL 54 ORION hull 108


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Where are you going in the USA?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of peter killen
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

 

Hi,

We are on the water world marina, Cole Bay, hoping to depart for the states this afternoon.  We were planning to sail via Bermuda, but based on the weather forecast have decided to head directly.

 

Good sailing

 

Peter

 

Pure Magic 433


On 23 Apr 2014, at 23:40, sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

We are in the Simpson Bay marina in about slip C-18.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Roy Duddy
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

 


New Thread! I am at Simpson Bay Resort, St. Maarten

I jus looked out and saw an Amel anchored. I am wondering who it might be? Too far for my eyesight.
I will go to the yacht club this afternoon to see if she goes through the bridge.

Roy Duddy
Unwineding
Shark 123
Portsmouth, NH



Roy A. Duddy
603-315-9600 cell
603-668-9000 office


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 



Stephanie DiBelardino

On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
It is possible to have your boat checked to see the level of protection provided by the zincs. I had Ocean Pearl done at the end of last year and got a definitive answer as to the protection provided by my zincs. The test was done by dropping a probe into the sea over the side and attaching a contact to various parts of the systems aboard and reading the current. I got answers as to whether I was over or under- zinced and as to efficacy of the bonding throughout the boat. The bonding was effective and my zinc protection was on the upper end of acceptable. I had a prop zinc on as well as the rudder. I was advised the prop zinc was not needed but was doing no harm.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: "andrew.lamb@..." <andrew.lamb@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 25 April 2014 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
 
So we take our boat out next week to clean and change the anodes - ours has the red plastic cap - I was convinced by recent discussions that I should fit it with a propeller anode. Now I am not so sure!?

Andrew & Kate
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet-en-Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

karkauai
 

Hi Danny.  Great info.  Just gotta find an electrician who understands our system.


On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
It is possible to have your boat checked to see the level of protection provided by the zincs. I had Ocean Pearl done at the end of last year and got a definitive answer as to the protection provided by my zincs. The test was done by dropping a probe into the sea over the side and attaching a contact to various parts of the systems aboard and reading the current. I got answers as to whether I was over or under- zinced and as to efficacy of the bonding throughout the boat. The bonding was effective and my zinc protection was on the upper end of acceptable. I had a prop zinc on as well as the rudder. I was advised the prop zinc was not needed but was doing no harm.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: "andrew.lamb@..." <andrew.lamb@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 25 April 2014 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
 
So we take our boat out next week to clean and change the anodes - ours has the red plastic cap - I was convinced by recent discussions that I should fit it with a propeller anode. Now I am not so sure!?

Andrew & Kate
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet-en-Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all,
It is possible to have your boat checked to see the level of protection provided by the zincs. I had Ocean Pearl done at the end of last year and got a definitive answer as to the protection provided by my zincs. The test was done by dropping a probe into the sea over the side and attaching a contact to various parts of the systems aboard and reading the current. I got answers as to whether I was over or under- zinced and as to efficacy of the bonding throughout the boat. The bonding was effective and my zinc protection was on the upper end of acceptable. I had a prop zinc on as well as the rudder. I was advised the prop zinc was not needed but was doing no harm.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: "andrew.lamb@..."
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 25 April 2014 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated
 
So we take our boat out next week to clean and change the anodes - ours has the red plastic cap - I was convinced by recent discussions that I should fit it with a propeller anode. Now I am not so sure!?

Andrew & Kate
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet-en-Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM...crazy price...what is the real back story.

Patrick McAneny
 

 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2014 1:17:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ericmeury@... writes:
 

A friend of mine found this online.

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/42288

The price is 185k for  a 1996 SM.

Seems really inexpensive to me. - maybe too good to be true.  Repo maybe?   What is the real story here.  Anybody know this boat?


Amel SM...crazy price...what is the real back story.

ericmeury@...
 

A friend of mine found this online.

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/42288

The price is 185k for  a 1996 SM.

Seems really inexpensive to me. - maybe too good to be true.  Repo maybe?   What is the real story here.  Anybody know this boat?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Peter Killen
 

Hi,
We are on the water world marina, Cole Bay, hoping to depart for the states this afternoon.  We were planning to sail via Bermuda, but based on the weather forecast have decided to head directly.

Good sailing

Peter

Pure Magic 433


On 23 Apr 2014, at 23:40, sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

We are in the Simpson Bay marina in about slip C-18.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Roy Duddy
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

 


New Thread! I am at Simpson Bay Resort, St. Maarten

I jus looked out and saw an Amel anchored. I am wondering who it might be? Too far for my eyesight.
I will go to the yacht club this afternoon to see if she goes through the bridge.

Roy Duddy
Unwineding
Shark 123
Portsmouth, NH



Roy A. Duddy
603-315-9600 cell
603-668-9000 office


Re: A54 Main Sail Furling Motor

Craig Scott
 

José,
I have posted a picture of the motor and brake assembly in the Lone Star - A54 #101 album.  The motor is fine.  My problem is getting a replacement for the electromagnetic brake.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling Motor

Craig Scott
 

Thanks for the reply.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 Main Sail Furling Motor

Craig Scott
 

I have done that and the motor and brake were refurbished.  The brake, however, now requires 35VDC before it will engage.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

karkauai
 

So my comments made it clear as mud, eh?  Great, glad to be of help (-:
Kent


On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:56 AM, <andrew.lamb@...> wrote:

 

So we take our boat out next week to clean and change the anodes - ours has the red plastic cap - I was convinced by recent discussions that I should fit it with a propeller anode. Now I am not so sure!?


Andrew & Kate

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet-en-Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

So we take our boat out next week to clean and change the anodes - ours has the red plastic cap - I was convinced by recent discussions that I should fit it with a propeller anode. Now I am not so sure!?


Andrew & Kate

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet-en-Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

karkauai
 

The corrosion/electrolytic? damage was primarily under the "wearing out bearing" aft of the inner Oring.  That is an area that has free flow of sea water between the bearing and the shaft, so maybe not a hypoxic environment  There is a hole about 2mm in diameter and depth that is aft of the bearing, and there is discoloration and loss of sheen to the shaft forward of the Oring still under the bearing.

I will inspect for any evidence of voltage leak, which I think I may find related to the installation of three new chargers about a year ago.

Amel believes that you can "overzinc" which may cause problems as well.  They believe that on our SM's the two zincs on the rudder
"balance" the system appropriately.  I didn't have a prop zinc when I bought the boat, and instead had the red plastic cap that was supplied with the AutoProp.  When I switched to the MaxProp it was supplied with a zinc, so I used it.  I've seen that prop zinc disappear about twice as fast as the rudder zincs, so I think it's doing something...?something good?...I don't know now.

I'm still reading about bonding systems and haven't found anything yet that makes it perfectly clear to me.  If I run across anything that makes it easier to understand I will post it here.  It seems to be a complicated subject that doesn't have absolutely clear answers...there seems to be an "art" to it as well as the science.  Henri was as much an "artiste" as anyone when it comes to building boats, so I'm leaving things the way he designed them.

Kent ( you can call me "Rusty")
SM243
Kristy
On the hard in Fernandina Beach, FL


From: "divanz620@..."
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

 
You could be right...the voltage potential is just so overwhelming everything goes....
I can't find a lot of logic in most of this....
I've just antifouled and refurbished the Autoprop with new bearings...and after seeing the shaft corrosion on (your?) shafts, I've installed the prop zinc that comes with the bearing kit... I see the 54s have it whereas our SM53s don't ...why ??

Also I showed those pics to an engineer here and he thinks it is crevice corrosion caused by Stainless steel operating in an oxygen deprived environment...which could be the case if the outer seals failed, but the inners didn't....more food for thought.......

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Gulf Harbour NZ ...currently



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

karkauai
 

I added a 12 V charger to keep the start battery topped up when at the dock for long periods.  My FireBoy fire suppression system uses a small amperage and will deplete the battery after a couple of weeks.  When I am cruising the alternators keep it topped up so I don't have to use the charger.
Kent
SM243 Kristy



From: "andrew.lamb@..."
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:00 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

 

Ok sounds like I should leave well alone - in our last boat the -VE poles were tied together between the house and engine batteries with one common (black) master switch and the positive poles had separate (red) master switches the combined circuits were isolated though. I am keen to monitor the battery state as the only charging appears to be from (I think) the genset or engine alternator and given that both of these need the battery to be charged to start... - there appears to be no charging from the shore power - I think I will install a separate battery monitor, to monitor the health of the engine battery. Good tip on the jump leads - I did come across these at the bottom of a locker.

Andrew & Kate
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet-en-Rousillon



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine and Service Battery circuits Isolated

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alan and Richard,

I had GLASS batteries in my last boat.  They require some very specific handling.  I will use lead/acid in any cruising vessel I purchase.

Jean-Pierre



On 24 Apr 2014, at 14:37, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

 

Hi if you change to glass batteries that are no maintenance you also need to change the charging pattern of your charging system that's the downside. The second downside is depending on where you cruise glass batteries may not be available should you need a replacement. Under no circumstances can you mix and match AGM batteries and Lead acid. 
Camil has designed a pretty good system you might want to stick with it for a while and just leave it be. 

Regards 
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 24, 2014, at 7:12, <divanz620@...> wrote:

 

Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the start battery, I don't.

The main engine has a dedicated alternator to charge the start battery...so every time you run the engine the start battery is charged...just like your car...do you have a monitor for that ?....I'm guessing  the answer is no...


Same with the genset...there's a dedicated alternator that charges the start battery (same battery as the engine charges)


So in total...don't worry about it...just keep it topped up with distilled water.....or better, do what I'm gong to do and replace it with a no-maintenance AGM battery


Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437



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