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bow thruster on 54 wont go down

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

I am encountering an inability for my bow thruster to go down. When I turn the switch on, and flick the toggle to send the thruster down, it buzzes and  the light goes on as if the thruster is already in the down position. There are switches that are engaged when the unit is either up, or down. These appear to be working properly. The switches lead to a box which contains what look to be solid state relay switches. I am leaning towards the opinion that one is defective.

Have any of you folks encountered a similar problem?

I'm stuck in Philadelphia until I can resolve this,

Jeff 54 Spirit


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump

svperegrinus <no_reply@...>
 

Thank you Vito and Bill.

We postponed our departure by one day to get the oil and missed half our sailing window!  For anyone else who may have a watermaker with a CAT high pressure pump, what you need is:

CAT Pumps Crankcase Oil ISO 68, petroleum based, hydraulic oil.
21 oz. (0.62 liter) $12.95 at Watermakers Inc. of Ft. Lauderdale
Funnily enough, the Amel manual on board wants 0.75 liter oil changes on this pump!

Or, per e-mail received from the CAT factory yesterday:
  "We do have our own Cat oil that can be found at Northern Tool and Home Depot.

But if not available to you.

It is a non detergent 30W Hydraulic oil, or a ISO 68"

And then we desalinated over 300 liters today.  This thing is fast.

sv Peregrinus
At anchor, Lake Worth, La Florida.
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator and smart regulator modification

Alan Leslie
 

Well.....lots of discussion on this I see.....


We have been off air for the last 3 weeks....14 days sail from Auckland to Raivavae (one gale for 3 days -v but overall avg 170 miles / day) and then 3 days to Papeete.

Currently in Taina Marina.


OK, our smart reg and alt mod is working well.

One issue...the Leece Neville alternator is not a hot-rated or KKK type alternator, so it can't put out the 175 A for very long without burning up.

Our batteries were down somewhat when we started the motor....LN putting out max current 175A...started to smell hot...what to do ?...started the genset and put the 100A charger on to take some of the load away from the LN, and watched the Xantrex monitor until the current dropped to about 130A...then turned the genset off....and continued with the LN.


So that's a trap to be aware of if you have AGM batteries.

AGM batteries have a very high charge acceptance rate compared to flooded lead acid batts, so if they're down they will take the max current you can deliver, and that;s a problem for non hot rated  alts as the smart reg increase the field to get max output and the current that flows is dependant on the battery bank acceptance.


Regarding the discussion about the standard reg in the LN alt....its designed to charge start batteries with thin plates...like your car battery, they don't mind being at 28.8V for hours on end.

Deep cycle batteries in your house bank are a different beast altogether.

ALL deep cycle battery manfrs recommend the 3 stage charging system, bulk, absorption, float.

In a deep cycle application, the issue with the standard automotive reg is that it ramps up to 28.8V and stays there...whatever current flows at that voltage flows (limited by the alt capacity) and the voltage stays at 28.8V


Cheers all from Papeete.


Alan

SV Elyse SM437

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ceiling material sagging

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

Hello ,

Thats certainly true you clean the ceiling and the foam on the back off the vinyl and you reglue it.Its a lot off work but the result is very satisfying.
I saw a quote off amel with new material (for the previous owners in 2003) it was about 20000 euros...
 
Recycle the old!!!!

Phil

:-)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

Mark Erdos
 

Aras,

 

Regarding the 110VAC system, the previous owner of our Amel install an inverter.  For 110-Volt 60 cycle power, there is a Xantrex 1000 watt. From this unit, he connected and placed a series of 110 outlets throughout the vessel (the 220v remains unchanged). The Zantrex unit is mounted under the nav station where all the electronics power transformers are located. Cabling to the battery runs through a conduit at the base of the open hanging locker and into the battery compartment. The unit is operated by the remote panel option.

 

We have found this system meets all of our 110 needs. It has ample capability.

 

Best regards,

 

Mark

 

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 2:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).

 

Naturally, there are always some quirks.

1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.

     What are folks using now? 

2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.

3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.

      Rebuild Kit?

4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.

5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.

 

Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.

 

The boat is generally in excellent shape and original equipment. 

 

Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.

 

All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.

 

Regards,

Aras Grinius

S/V FIASCO

1988 Sharki #163


Re: FIASCO is now Home

ericmeury@...
 

you should come to the Rendezvous  in St Michaels in the weekend of July 15.

As rar as battery charges.  The previous owner of our Santorin added a spererate 110 system with a galvanic isolator.    If you are going to be in the States for a while that might be the thing to do.

We have this battery charger.   Personally i have always liked havign the charger and inverter be their own machine rather than integrated.

This has been on the boat for maybe 5 years without problems.  We have two spares.  For your sharki won't need anything larger.

55 Amp Iota Power Supply / 12 Volt Charger

 


Re: Engine Motor Mounts

ericmeury@...
 

From everything that i have found these are the correct ones

Type MITSTEUN

i base this information on http://www.partiraularge.com/Lignage%20moteur.htm


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

Veit Mueller <veitm@...>
 

Hello Aras:

We are in Herrington Hbr / living in Baltimore.
Rigging the poles is pretty easy- if you ever want to we can show you one person operation.
Stove: we had something similar and I replaced the burner parts - all fixed now.
Cheers,
Veit
ATMAN SM 215

Sent from my vm iPad

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:53 AM, "john martin symoondog@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Have you tried cleaning your stove burner - the ring with the orifices ?
 
 

 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:34:27 -0700
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).


Naturally, there are always some quirks.
1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.
     What are folks using now? 
2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.
3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.
      Rebuild Kit?
4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.
5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.


Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.


The boat is generally in excellent shape and original equipment. 


Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.


All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.


Regards,
Aras Grinius
S/V FIASCO
1988 Sharki #163


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Have you tried cleaning your stove burner - the ring with the orifices ?
 
 

 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:34:27 -0700
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).


Naturally, there are always some quirks.
1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.
     What are folks using now? 
2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.
3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.
      Rebuild Kit?
4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.
5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.


Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.


The boat is generally in excellent shape and original equipment. 


Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.


All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.


Regards,
Aras Grinius
S/V FIASCO
1988 Sharki #163


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all,
about 40 years ago I had a diesel tractor with an oil bath air filter, excellent for the high dust situation the tractor worked in. However having done its job of removing dust and sediment very well it needed to be thoroughly cleaned. Being soaked in engine oil that was not an easy process. I washed the gauze in petrol, shook and tapped the unit to remove the petrol, left it to dry and then refitted it and started the engine. Oh boy, there were some petrol fumes left and that engine screamed at impossible revs and nothing on earth would stop it until the petrol fumes had gone. I pulled the stop cable, I turned off the fuel, and then retreated to a safe distance and watched until it stopped. Remarkably the engine seemed to have suffered no damage. It would have been insane to have blocked the air intake with anything. If a body part had gone anywhere near it it would have gone through the engine. That was a runaway situation, and as Bill said a diesel at revs will cheerfully run on any oil product. I was circumspect in my first comment as I assumed the reference was to an engine at idle where the electric stop failed.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl    

From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu
 
The rule for blocking air intakes to shut down a runaway engine, is do not do it, because it is possible that your piston rings are worn enough that the engine will pull air and oil from the crankcase and continue running until it burns itself up.

Get familiar with the engine you have. All diesels that I have seen on Amels and other boats have a mechanical shut off. Your generator has the same. Some engine manufacturers paint it yellow or red.

Bill
BeBe 387
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Yep that valve will do it. 
DO NOT EVER NEVER EVER USE YOUR HAND OR ANY BODY PART TO BLOCK THE AIR INTAKE. USE A BLOCK OF WOOD OR A MATT. Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
On Jun 2, 2014, at 15:44, "Yvonne simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi all,
The volvo TMD22 Perkins has a mechanical shut off on the side of the injector pump, easily activated by hand. rather that than risk my hand disappearing into the air intake..
cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 3/06/2014, at 4:32 am, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
A couple of years ago, I took a basic diesel class.
That question came and the answer was prety easy.
You could shut down the fuel valva, but really the easiest is to block (with your hand or piece of cloth) the air intake.

2 months ago, some kid on Spring Break came and had the same problem, so I show them.

Then came the question, how do restart the engine.
On boats, started are "hot", so always connected to the batteries.
So you can just connect the 2 wires and it will start the engine.
Just make sure you are not touching any moving parts.
Personally I use 2 wire and a little press switch.
On some engine, starting without the key, might not allow the alternator to charge.

After showing the kids on spring break that, I was their hero for the next few days!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, New Providence, The Bahamas

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/2/14, svperegrinus <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 2, 2014, 11:13 AM


 









Hello,
Related
question: if our diesel engine ever were to fail to stop on
activation of the red rubber "STOP" button, what
would the shutoff procedure be?
I realize the Yanmar engine has
different circuitry from the Perkins, but an analogous
failure could take place.
Regards,









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Eric,

Do you have the part numbers for the Vetus Motor mounts both sets upper and lower. I have the 100 hp yanmar turbo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

 

 

VETUS MOTOR MOUNTS

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VETUS MOTOR MOUNTS

K25 K50 K75 K100 Mitsteun LMX140 LMX210 LMX340 LMX500 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1,4 0,75 0,75 0,75 1 1 1

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Re: Engine Motor Mounts

ericmeury@...
 

Also notice that the mounts that support the cross bar for the C drive itself are also vetus but not the same ones as the engine grid mounts.


Re: Engine Motor Mounts

ericmeury@...
 

VETUS MOTOR MOUNTS

 


Re: Engine Motor Mounts... Yes correct and here is a source USA

ericmeury@...
 

by far the the best price i have found

VETUS MOTOR MOUNTS

 

:http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/VTMTORMOUNTS.htm


Re: Engine Motor Mounts... Yes correct and here is a source

ericmeury@...
 

He is a copy from an earlier post.

I just found this site,

http://www.partiraularge.com/Lignage%20moteur.htm

 
i translated it with a little help from bill gates

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http://www.partiraularge.com/Lignage%20moteur.htm


I am convinced these are the correct ones for the galvanized support structure.  Also note that the support that supports the C drive port to starboard also has mounts - but those are different and probably don't see any oil or coolant on them and i would guess last much longer.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ceiling material sagging

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Phil,

I assume the big benefit is that it fit perfectly with no cutting challenges.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jun 2, 2014 8:50 PM, "phil.berghmans" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hello,


I reglued the headlining on my santorin 1994 four years ago.Cleaned the old vinyl with brush and vacuem cleaner reglued the old headlining with polyarethane sealent.(or sikaflex) This is easy and last longer then traditional  glue and is less messy to work with.
Afther four years in the tropics (now panama) everything is still in place.Cheap and good solution.

Good luck


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The rule for blocking air intakes to shut down a runaway engine, is do not do it, because it is possible that your piston rings are worn enough that the engine will pull air and oil from the crankcase and continue running until it burns itself up.

Get familiar with the engine you have. All diesels that I have seen on Amels and other boats have a mechanical shut off. Your generator has the same. Some engine manufacturers paint it yellow or red.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Yep that valve will do it. 
DO NOT EVER NEVER EVER USE YOUR HAND OR ANY BODY PART TO BLOCK THE AIR INTAKE. USE A BLOCK OF WOOD OR A MATT. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

On Jun 2, 2014, at 15:44, "Yvonne simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
The volvo TMD22 Perkins has a mechanical shut off on the side of the injector pump, easily activated by hand. rather that than risk my hand disappearing into the air intake..
cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl


On 3/06/2014, at 4:32 am, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

A couple of years ago, I took a basic diesel class.
That question came and the answer was prety easy.
You could shut down the fuel valva, but really the easiest is to block (with your hand or piece of cloth) the air intake.

2 months ago, some kid on Spring Break came and had the same problem, so I show them.

Then came the question, how do restart the engine.
On boats, started are "hot", so always connected to the batteries.
So you can just connect the 2 wires and it will start the engine.
Just make sure you are not touching any moving parts.
Personally I use 2 wire and a little press switch.
On some engine, starting without the key, might not allow the alternator to charge.

After showing the kids on spring break that, I was their hero for the next few days!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, New Providence, The Bahamas

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/2/14, svperegrinus <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 2, 2014, 11:13 AM


 









Hello,
Related
question: if our diesel engine ever were to fail to stop on
activation of the red rubber "STOP" button, what
would the shutoff procedure be?
I realize the Yanmar engine has
different circuitry from the Perkins, but an analogous
failure could take place.
Regards,









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The HP pump on a Dessalator 160 is a CAT pump. I bought oil for a water maker CAT pump at a water maker shop in Turkey. I am sure that you can find a water maker shop/guy in Ft Lauderdale.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:29 AM, asm283@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello

If I remember correctly it is some sort of food grade oil. Not motor oil. You should be able to get it any marine store that specializes in water makers.

Vito Ciaravino



From: svperegrinus <no_reply@...>;
To: <amelyachtowners@...>;
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump
Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 8:50:49 PM

 

Spent a couple of hours reading and re-reading the Dessalator manuals provided on the "Accesories" binders (the Amel manual itself makes reference to a smaller 50L unit not installed on this vessel)


It clearly says that the Dessalator high pressure pump (the CAT pump) needs "30W/40" oil.  It is unclear wether this is regular motor oil or some sort of hydraulic oil.


Spent a while on the internet looking for this oil.  Was not able to find a "30W/40" oil.  According to Wikipedia, "W" oils end at 25 (5W, 10W, etc), and do not reach 30W.


Certainly a common oil such as 10W-40 would not be suitable for this?  The 10W would be too thin at ambient and/or pump-startup temps.


Heavily tempted to simply use straight 30 oil.


It is not very clear from the manual what Dessalator model Peregrinus has.  We were under the impression it is a 120 l/hr machine but on the manual the models shown skip from 75 l/hr to 140 l/hr and the latter one seems to match the output quantities we've seen.  Therefore, it might be a D140 / 2.5kW / 220V. 


Any advice on oil to be used much appreciated.


Laying at anchor in Lake Sylvia / Ft Lauderdale today, waiting for tomorrow's weather window north.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump

nz free
 

Hello

If I remember correctly it is some sort of food grade oil. Not motor oil. You should be able to get it any marine store that specializes in water makers.

Vito Ciaravino



From: svperegrinus ;
To: ;
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump
Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 8:50:49 PM

 

Spent a couple of hours reading and re-reading the Dessalator manuals provided on the "Accesories" binders (the Amel manual itself makes reference to a smaller 50L unit not installed on this vessel)


It clearly says that the Dessalator high pressure pump (the CAT pump) needs "30W/40" oil.  It is unclear wether this is regular motor oil or some sort of hydraulic oil.


Spent a while on the internet looking for this oil.  Was not able to find a "30W/40" oil.  According to Wikipedia, "W" oils end at 25 (5W, 10W, etc), and do not reach 30W.


Certainly a common oil such as 10W-40 would not be suitable for this?  The 10W would be too thin at ambient and/or pump-startup temps.


Heavily tempted to simply use straight 30 oil.


It is not very clear from the manual what Dessalator model Peregrinus has.  We were under the impression it is a 120 l/hr machine but on the manual the models shown skip from 75 l/hr to 140 l/hr and the latter one seems to match the output quantities we've seen.  Therefore, it might be a D140 / 2.5kW / 220V. 


Any advice on oil to be used much appreciated.


Laying at anchor in Lake Sylvia / Ft Lauderdale today, waiting for tomorrow's weather window north.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Yep that valve will do it. 
DO NOT EVER NEVER EVER USE YOUR HAND OR ANY BODY PART TO BLOCK THE AIR INTAKE. USE A BLOCK OF WOOD OR A MATT. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 2, 2014, at 15:44, "Yvonne simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
The volvo TMD22 Perkins has a mechanical shut off on the side of the injector pump, easily activated by hand. rather that than risk my hand disappearing into the air intake..
cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl


On 3/06/2014, at 4:32 am, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

A couple of years ago, I took a basic diesel class.
That question came and the answer was prety easy.
You could shut down the fuel valva, but really the easiest is to block (with your hand or piece of cloth) the air intake.

2 months ago, some kid on Spring Break came and had the same problem, so I show them.

Then came the question, how do restart the engine.
On boats, started are "hot", so always connected to the batteries.
So you can just connect the 2 wires and it will start the engine.
Just make sure you are not touching any moving parts.
Personally I use 2 wire and a little press switch.
On some engine, starting without the key, might not allow the alternator to charge.

After showing the kids on spring break that, I was their hero for the next few days!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, New Providence, The Bahamas

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/2/14, svperegrinus <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diode in Starter shutoff circuit - Super Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 2, 2014, 11:13 AM


 









Hello,
Related
question: if our diesel engine ever were to fail to stop on
activation of the red rubber "STOP" button, what
would the shutoff procedure be?
I realize the Yanmar engine has
different circuitry from the Perkins, but an analogous
failure could take place.
Regards,









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