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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

Fisher, Thomas W.
 

Hi Aras
 
Well done! Nice to be home I bet.
 
I can only speak to a couple of the issues you mention. When we got our Sharki home I did a complete rebuild on both gear mechanisms. The brass gears were badly worn. You will likely have to demast to do this. At that time I would suggest replacing the seals in all 3 of the furling spindles (unless it has been done). I also added grease nipples so you can be sure they never go dry. You should also replace the seals on the electric furling on the bow if you have it and have the motor serviced. Better to get it all done at once. This is not terrible expensive if you do the disassemble/ assemble yourself. Slow and time consuming but not difficult.
 
I replaced our stove entirely and added a new propane storage locker with the accompanying electronics etc. 
Converting to 110V is easy enough especially if your changing out your charger. If the original is working I believe you just need to flip a switch to make it operate off 110V. Then just change out the receptacle. Been a while since I did that but I remember it being straight forward.
 
If you have the NECO auto helm. Talk to "Myles Electronics" in Fort Lauderdale. He is an invaluable resource for the vintage of equipment you likely have on board.
 
If it hasn't been done you will likely be concerned about the cabin ceiling liner sagging. There is a plethora of info on this site related to its repair/replacement. Lots of schools of thought and ways to complete the job.
 
We are headed south to the Bahamas this Sept, but I be happy to pass along what I've learned from refitting out our Sharki between now and then.
 
Best of luck!!
 
Tom Fisher
 
S/V SHEILA
Sharki #142
Kingston. Ontario, Canada
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 14:34
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).


Naturally, there are always some quirks.

1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.

     What are folks using now? 

2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.

3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.

!       Rebuild Kit?

4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.

5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.


Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.


The boat is generally in excellent shape a! nd original equipment. 


Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.


All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.


Regards,

Aras Grinius

S/V FIASCO

1988 Sharki #163


Main outhaul line

Alan Leslie
 

Older messages about this....


We had problems with the main outhaul line slipping - it was a polyester line.

We replaced it with 10mm spectra and had the same problems.

Before the 2400 mile trip to French Polynesia on riggers advice, we replaced it with 12mm Vectran and it has never slipped, not even in 50+ knots with 3.5 reefs.

For me this is the solution.

Maybe this can assist others with the same problem that we had.

Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437, currently Taina marina, Papeete.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I sure would like to know what to use.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

 

 

Very interesting, Eric.  I read that, too, and assumed that they must be additive...ie 4 mounts would handle 4 x 25-35HP = 100-140HP.  I just talked to the Vetus people in Hanover Maryland, and he said "No, they are not additive, they are designed for 25-35 HP engines.

 

I don't know if the stresses are different with these vibration mounts underneath the angle irons rather than directly under the engine, but now I'm not sure what to use.  That's a large difference between the HP of our engines and what these mounts are designed to handle.

 

I have sent Maud an email to see what Amel has to say about this...Joel, any thoughts?

 

I'll let you know what I find out.

Kent

SM243

Kristy


Main Outhaul

Alan Leslie
 

We had the problem of the main outhaul slipping.

We replaced the line with prestretched 10mm Spectra - same problem.

On riggers advice, we replaced it again with 12mm Vectran.

In nearly 2400 miles including a 3 day gale and 24hrs of 50+ knots, NZ to FP, the outhaul has not slipped once.

I think we've solved it !

Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437, currently Taina Marina, Papeete


Onan raw water impeller

Alan Leslie
 

I thought I had this problem solved.....

New Sherwood pump with one piece bronze casting

Global run-dry impeller...

But no.

The global impeller has started to shred itself and we had code 7 after 173 hours.

Admittedly that's nearly twice what we were getting from the Onan pump and impeller, but its still not very good !

Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437, currently Taina Marina, Papeete


Re: Engine Motor Mounts

karkauai
 

Very interesting, Eric.  I read that, too, and assumed that they must be additive...ie 4 mounts would handle 4 x 25-35HP = 100-140HP.  I just talked to the Vetus people in Hanover Maryland, and he said "No, they are not additive, they are designed for 25-35 HP engines.

I don't know if the stresses are different with these vibration mounts underneath the angle irons rather than directly under the engine, but now I'm not sure what to use.  That's a large difference between the HP of our engines and what these mounts are designed to handle.

I have sent Maud an email to see what Amel has to say about this...Joel, any thoughts?

I'll let you know what I find out.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster on 54 wont go down

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: bow thruster on 54 wont go down

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

Jeff,
I recently had the same problem on my 54. I found a faulty mini relay in the control box, which you referred to. My problem was intermittent, so caused some frustration to finally sort it out. There are 4 mini relays in the control box which is mounted on the wall just above the thruster motor. There is a good wiring diagram in the Amel manual that details the circuitry. In a lurch you can find a similar 24v relay at a local HVAC company which will work fine, but they are generally larger and don't fit in the original space very well. A good replacement for the originals can be found at delcity.net, part #73982, $5.51 each. I purchased a complete replacement set and a back up set to have aboard. http://www.delcity.net/store/search/p_73576.h_73663.t_1.n_y.jsp?search=73982&x=0&y=0
Cheers,
Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31
currently on the hard in Puerto Rico

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one way valve

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi ,

Where do you get the one way valve?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump cycling Repaired

 

 

Hi Bill,

 

I did not actually take the water pump apart, as it seemed to be working fine. I did take the entire manifold apart, and replaced the one way valve. The only thing I did not take off the manifold was the accumulator tank. When I re-installed everything, I had a a substantial leak from where the accumulator screws into the manifold. I took the accumulator tank off, and found about 1/3 of the threaded nipple on the tank was corroded away, and it would not be possible to make a watertight fitting. I the screwed a house barb into the manifold, attached a length of water hose, attached the other end to the threaded nipple on the tank, hose clamped it all, and secured the tank near the pump. How do you spell jury rig?  Bottom line is I have no leaks, it is working fine, but I need to find a new accumulator tank when we get back. 

 

Thanks for the info on the spares. 

 

Regards,

Steve and Liz Davis

S/V Aloha SM#072


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi This is what I found about this mount

 

This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. 

The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for engines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

 

 

From everything that i have found these are the correct ones

Type MITSTEUN

i base this information on http://www.partiraularge.com/Lignage%20moteur.htm


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Do you have a desalinator brand watermaker- is it the 220 version?

What is your hull number is it a Kimberlite SM 376?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of svperegrinus
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 5:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump

 

 

Thank you Vito and Bill.

 

We postponed our departure by one day to get the oil and missed half our sailing window!  For anyone else who may have a watermaker with a CAT high pressure pump, what you need is:

 

CAT Pumps Crankcase Oil ISO 68, petroleum based, hydraulic oil.

21 oz. (0.62 liter) $12.95 at Watermakers Inc. of Ft. Lauderdale

Funnily enough, the Amel manual on board wants 0.75 liter oil changes on this pump!

 

Or, per e-mail received from the CAT factory yesterday:

  "We do have our own Cat oil that can be found at Northern Tool and Home Depot.

But if not available to you.

It is a non detergent 30W Hydraulic oil, or a ISO 68"

 

And then we desalinated over 300 liters today.  This thing is fast.

 

sv Peregrinus

At anchor, Lake Worth, La Florida.

 


bow thruster on 54 wont go down

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

I am encountering an inability for my bow thruster to go down. When I turn the switch on, and flick the toggle to send the thruster down, it buzzes and  the light goes on as if the thruster is already in the down position. There are switches that are engaged when the unit is either up, or down. These appear to be working properly. The switches lead to a box which contains what look to be solid state relay switches. I am leaning towards the opinion that one is defective.

Have any of you folks encountered a similar problem?

I'm stuck in Philadelphia until I can resolve this,

Jeff 54 Spirit


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30W/40 oil for Dessalator high pressure pump

svperegrinus <no_reply@...>
 

Thank you Vito and Bill.

We postponed our departure by one day to get the oil and missed half our sailing window!  For anyone else who may have a watermaker with a CAT high pressure pump, what you need is:

CAT Pumps Crankcase Oil ISO 68, petroleum based, hydraulic oil.
21 oz. (0.62 liter) $12.95 at Watermakers Inc. of Ft. Lauderdale
Funnily enough, the Amel manual on board wants 0.75 liter oil changes on this pump!

Or, per e-mail received from the CAT factory yesterday:
  "We do have our own Cat oil that can be found at Northern Tool and Home Depot.

But if not available to you.

It is a non detergent 30W Hydraulic oil, or a ISO 68"

And then we desalinated over 300 liters today.  This thing is fast.

sv Peregrinus
At anchor, Lake Worth, La Florida.
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator and smart regulator modification

Alan Leslie
 

Well.....lots of discussion on this I see.....


We have been off air for the last 3 weeks....14 days sail from Auckland to Raivavae (one gale for 3 days -v but overall avg 170 miles / day) and then 3 days to Papeete.

Currently in Taina Marina.


OK, our smart reg and alt mod is working well.

One issue...the Leece Neville alternator is not a hot-rated or KKK type alternator, so it can't put out the 175 A for very long without burning up.

Our batteries were down somewhat when we started the motor....LN putting out max current 175A...started to smell hot...what to do ?...started the genset and put the 100A charger on to take some of the load away from the LN, and watched the Xantrex monitor until the current dropped to about 130A...then turned the genset off....and continued with the LN.


So that's a trap to be aware of if you have AGM batteries.

AGM batteries have a very high charge acceptance rate compared to flooded lead acid batts, so if they're down they will take the max current you can deliver, and that;s a problem for non hot rated  alts as the smart reg increase the field to get max output and the current that flows is dependant on the battery bank acceptance.


Regarding the discussion about the standard reg in the LN alt....its designed to charge start batteries with thin plates...like your car battery, they don't mind being at 28.8V for hours on end.

Deep cycle batteries in your house bank are a different beast altogether.

ALL deep cycle battery manfrs recommend the 3 stage charging system, bulk, absorption, float.

In a deep cycle application, the issue with the standard automotive reg is that it ramps up to 28.8V and stays there...whatever current flows at that voltage flows (limited by the alt capacity) and the voltage stays at 28.8V


Cheers all from Papeete.


Alan

SV Elyse SM437

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ceiling material sagging

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

Hello ,

Thats certainly true you clean the ceiling and the foam on the back off the vinyl and you reglue it.Its a lot off work but the result is very satisfying.
I saw a quote off amel with new material (for the previous owners in 2003) it was about 20000 euros...
 
Recycle the old!!!!

Phil

:-)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

Mark Erdos
 

Aras,

 

Regarding the 110VAC system, the previous owner of our Amel install an inverter.  For 110-Volt 60 cycle power, there is a Xantrex 1000 watt. From this unit, he connected and placed a series of 110 outlets throughout the vessel (the 220v remains unchanged). The Zantrex unit is mounted under the nav station where all the electronics power transformers are located. Cabling to the battery runs through a conduit at the base of the open hanging locker and into the battery compartment. The unit is operated by the remote panel option.

 

We have found this system meets all of our 110 needs. It has ample capability.

 

Best regards,

 

Mark

 

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 2:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).

 

Naturally, there are always some quirks.

1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.

     What are folks using now? 

2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.

3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.

      Rebuild Kit?

4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.

5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.

 

Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.

 

The boat is generally in excellent shape and original equipment. 

 

Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.

 

All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.

 

Regards,

Aras Grinius

S/V FIASCO

1988 Sharki #163


Re: FIASCO is now Home

ericmeury@...
 

you should come to the Rendezvous  in St Michaels in the weekend of July 15.

As rar as battery charges.  The previous owner of our Santorin added a spererate 110 system with a galvanic isolator.    If you are going to be in the States for a while that might be the thing to do.

We have this battery charger.   Personally i have always liked havign the charger and inverter be their own machine rather than integrated.

This has been on the boat for maybe 5 years without problems.  We have two spares.  For your sharki won't need anything larger.

55 Amp Iota Power Supply / 12 Volt Charger

 


Re: Engine Motor Mounts

ericmeury@...
 

From everything that i have found these are the correct ones

Type MITSTEUN

i base this information on http://www.partiraularge.com/Lignage%20moteur.htm


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

Veit Mueller <veitm@...>
 

Hello Aras:

We are in Herrington Hbr / living in Baltimore.
Rigging the poles is pretty easy- if you ever want to we can show you one person operation.
Stove: we had something similar and I replaced the burner parts - all fixed now.
Cheers,
Veit
ATMAN SM 215

Sent from my vm iPad

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:53 AM, "john martin symoondog@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Have you tried cleaning your stove burner - the ring with the orifices ?
 
 

 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:34:27 -0700
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).


Naturally, there are always some quirks.
1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.
     What are folks using now? 
2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.
3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.
      Rebuild Kit?
4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.
5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.


Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.


The boat is generally in excellent shape and original equipment. 


Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.


All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.


Regards,
Aras Grinius
S/V FIASCO
1988 Sharki #163


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Have you tried cleaning your stove burner - the ring with the orifices ?
 
 

 

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:34:27 -0700
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FIASCO is now Home

 

Well after a week, 870 NM (Ft Pierce to Annapolis) offshore; Fiasco is finally home. Good shakedown cruise. We had wind from all directions, 3 squalls, and got to try out the new boat in all conditions. Good crew to help out. Donations to sea were kept to a minimum: 1 Horseshoe buoy [squall took it], one pair of glasses, and one knob. Fortunately,  the GoPro did not make the list (although it was on the rail until we dove for it).


Naturally, there are always some quirks.
1) Need new battery charger. It took a dump a couple of weeks ago, before I came back to the boat.
     What are folks using now? 
2) Need a new reefer. Bought it that way. Makes noise, but nothing else.
3) Need some spare parts for the ENO stove. right burner does not light. Sometimes the gas just pops the flame out. Hard to keep lit.
      Rebuild Kit?
4) During the Squall I think I may have stripped the gear in the mizzen mast to furl the sail. Seems to free wheel now. I can still operate it but it does not ratchet as before.
5) Downwind WE figured out how to rig the poles. However I would love see a diagram if I did this right, and just exactly are the steps to setting it up and taking down the poles.  Also, I have seen some pictures whereby some folks are sailing with the poles pre-positioned aft for deployment.


Only one breakdown: the Prima M-50 raw water drive bit the bullet, 50 miles offshore, 65NM SE of Oregon inlet. Sailed her to Norfolk and got towed in the last 10 miles (no wind, no batteries, no engine, and damn near ran out of coffee).  Got that fixed and left the next day for the final push home.


The boat is generally in excellent shape and original equipment. 


Lastly, she is still set for 220V circuits. I need to figure out how add 110V without alot of fuss or replacing the old.


All thoughts considered and appreciated. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone for the raft up in July.


Regards,
Aras Grinius
S/V FIASCO
1988 Sharki #163