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Re: Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"
Dave_Benjamin
Russ,
I'll shoot you an email from the account that is regularly looked at. Look forward to speaking with you. Cheers, Dave ex s/v Exit Strategy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eric Freedman: Bow Sprit and Series Drogue.
eric freedman
Terry, I use the original factory spinnaker halyard to fly my gennaker . If you saw the beautiful job the fabricator did in St Martin you would want the same. I am thrilled with my bowsprit. If you send me your email I will send a few photos.
With respect to the Drogue, I had loops spliced into the ends of the bridle as the line is too big to tie down to the aft cleats. I use leather chafe gear with Velcro inside and wrap it around the bridle at the chocks and where it passes by the backstays. I then use cable ties to secure them in place. We checked the leathers every hour during the hurricane. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:27 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eric Freedman: Bow Sprit and Series Drogue.
Good morning Eric, I am looking for some advice on selecting an off the shelf bow sprit and how you have mounted your series drogue on Kimberlite and fly downwind sails? I am looking at a Selden bow sprit....I know you fabricated your own...I am interested if you looked at off the shelf options. I am curious at how your mast head is set up for for flying your light air downwind sail. Is there an issue with the sail halyard catching the top swivel furling horns if the standard blocks are used? Do we have to look at fabricating some kind of forward facing extension for the Halyard block? I also just read the ON article on your trip to the Caribbean in October and the use of the series drogue. (great read) You mention at the end "I am also designing a different set of attachment points for the drogue bridle so we can adjust it without putting strain on the backstay" Just wondering how you originally attached the drogue and if you found a better solution to prevent chafe on the backstay. We will order ours shortly and modify the bridle if you have any suggestions. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Terry Singh SV Libby #196 San Diego soon to depart on http://cornellsailing.com/sail-the-odyssey/blue-planet-odyssey/
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater
eric freedman
Hi Ian and Judy, Thanks for the info. I noticed from the photos that I took when I was on Penazen that your heater seems to take the air from the side of the cockpit seat . Is that correct? Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:41 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater
Hi Eric, we have the D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may now have a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every day in Chile and still use it in the Med. To: amelyachtowners@... I would like to know what model number of an espar heater that has been factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very cold climates? Fair winds, Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
eric freedman
Unfortunately they run inside the backstays.
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:58 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Eric,
Curious: Does the bridle run inside or outside the backstays?
Mark SM2k #275
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Aldo, I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches. The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Eric. Thank you for such a remarkable account. It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand. One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to? I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable. Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?
Aldo Moonshot sm2000 396
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Eric, Curious: Does the bridle run inside or outside the backstays? Mark SM2k #275
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
eric freedman
When it was all over my crew said they had fun.
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:48 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
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Pat, The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed. a piece of duct tape fixed that. otherwise Bone dry Below. eric
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
eric freedman
Aldo, I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches. The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:56 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Eric. Thank you for such a remarkable account. It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand. One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to? I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable. Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?
Aldo Moonshot sm2000 396
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Aldo Roldan
Eric. Thank you for such a remarkable account. It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand. One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to? I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable. Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel? Aldo Moonshot sm2000 396
On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Patrick McAneny
Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
-----Original Message----- From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit Pat,
The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.
a piece of duct tape fixed that.
otherwise Bone dry Below.
eric
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
eric freedman
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.
Chris Flack
Hi Bill, Do you know if there are ant pre-SM2000 manuals around also?
Cheers Chris Hemera SM031
On 27-08-2014 19:56, Chris chris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"
Nat Bossett
Dave monitors this list and is reachable at his work:
http://islandplanetsails.com/ However, I've had hull 29 for about a year now. Dave is in Reno and the boat is in Alameda, California. If you have trouble contacting him via his business I can send you more contact information privately. -Nathan
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Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"
russ.roberts.va@...
Can anyone put me in touch with Dave Benjamin? If so, Dave can email me at russ(dot)roberts(dot)va(at)gmail. Thanks!
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator
Andrew & Kate Lamb
Hi Kent
I have a couple of pictures of the original use of the Mizzen preventer that I used to get the bow thruster back up after the initial failure but none of the solution that I setup for our holiday. When I am next at the boat in about 2 weeks’ time I will take some pictures and post them all.
Andrew Ronpische SM2k 472 Canet en Roussillion, France
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:44 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator
Hi Andrew, I'm interested in your pulley system to raise/lower the bow thruster. Did you take any pics? Thanks, Kent SM243 Kristy Still on the hard in Fernandina Beach waiting for the Cdrive to return from France...I guess the whole country takes vacation the whole month of August.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater
Alexandre Uster von Baar
I have the Espar D5LC
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I have not used it yet. In winter I have only used reverse air conditioning as well as portable 220 Volt heater. The coldest outside was briefly 0*C / 32*F and this was sufficient. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K#289 NIKIMAT Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/26/14, eric kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 10:52 PM I would like to know what model number of an espar heater that has been factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very cold climates?Fair winds,EricSm 376 Kimberlite #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827 -- #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp #yiv3467016827hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp #yiv3467016827ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp .yiv3467016827ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp .yiv3467016827ad p { margin:0;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-mkp .yiv3467016827ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-sponsor #yiv3467016827ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv3467016827 #yiv3467016827ygrp-sponsor #yiv3467016827ygrp-lc #yiv3467016827hd { margin:10px 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Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Since I am usually single hand, what I do to avoid the pole hit the cockpit (or a guest), I attach one of the halyard of the Mizzen to the rail.
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So when I gradually release the pole (with the blue line) it end up resting on the halyard. Then I lower it, then attach it on the rail with the little hook. Make sure you don't forget to untie the halyard from the rail after. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K#289 NIKIMAT Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/27/14, Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation. To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2014, 4:49 AM One thing I find you need to look out for is when releasing the fore guy (blue) to bring the pole in, there is a point where this guy no longer has control, due to the curvature of the boat and the fore guy passing its maximum length - at that point the pole can accelerate towards the receiving crew member so they need to be ready for this! Andrew Ronpische SM2k 472 Canet en Roussillion, France From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:39 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation. Chris, You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like: The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig... It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry. Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely. We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles. I hope this helps you Chris. Bill BeBe 387 On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@flack.net.au [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks Bill, Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year. Cheers Chris Hemera SM031 Sent from my android device. -----Original Message----- From: "yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation. Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator
Hi Andrew, I'm interested in your pulley system to raise/lower the bow thruster. Did you take any pics? Thanks, Kent SM243 Kristy Still on the hard in Fernandina Beach waiting for the Cdrive to return from France...I guess the whole country takes vacation the whole month of August.
From: "Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" To: "amelyachtowners@..." Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator An update on my Bow thruster Linear Actuator problem.
I think a fuse in the line to the motor sounds the best plan – easy to change – the 10amp fuse on my unit is inside the box on the circuit board, requiring
the removal of 4 small screws to change.
Initially I got a replacement motor from Amel for 324 euros without taxes or delivery however this turned out to be the wrong motor and did not fit the drive
(either physically to the drive, but also the worm thread sizes were different) the numbering on it seemed to suggest that it was for linear actuator with a 50cm travel, whereas the actuator that I have has a 20cm travel (maybe the later Amels have a longer
travel for the bow thruster?). The only alternative from Amel was to buy a complete drive and motor replacement which was going to be 1217 euros without tax or delivery, but basically they were going to send me the drive unit to add to the engine so I did
not have confidence that this was going to be the correct drive, so I sent the motor back to Amel.
I contacted SNT who manufacture the units and they have supplied a replacement motor for 300 euros including tax and delivery – I now have this and this is
the correct motor fitting both the worm drive thread and the drive unit. I also sent the broken unit to be rewound and reconditioned to
www.robsonandfranciswinds.co.uk (a London based motor repair company) who have rewound the motor and reconditioned the motor - changed the brushes etc, this cost 185 GBP including taxes and delivery – this
I will receive in the next day or two, so I should have a replacement backup also. I also got two new hall effect sensors from Amel at 24 euros each.
So over the next few days I am going to put the actuator back together then study the circuit in more detail and probably either add a thermal circuit breaker
set at 5 amps (the SNT documentation seems to suggest that at maximum load it will draw 4 to 4.5 amps) or a inline fuse as in the previous message which could be easily changed.
I also took Bills advice and bought a battery tester – this was quite interesting – initially 5 batteries failed. With 2 of them (scored 300amps instead of
1000) I found that the nuts fixing the wires between the batteries were a bit loose – so I tightened them and left the batteries to charge overnight and the next day the both passed. Another 2 (scored 650 amps) when I took them out jiggled them about a bit
and then made sure that I had a really good contact between the tester and the terminals they also passed. The only other battery that failed was the starter battery (again marginally 700 amps) I re-tested this after motoring for a couple of hours and this
also passed.
Incidentally we have just completed 3 weeks holiday in the Balearics – we used a pulley system to lift and lower the bow thruster – worked a treat!
Andrew
Ronpische
SM2k 472
Canet en Roussillion, France
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow
thruster Linear Actuator
Hello Andrew,
Several years ago I made silly mistake which resulted in that
motor being totally burnt out.This was a potential disaster as Amel told me that the motor was out of production but Maud managed to find one and sent it to me. When I fitted it I installed a 10 amp fuse in it’s circuit in the connection box and tied some
spares onto the box for the next time there might be a problem.
I sent a message to this site advising every one to do the same and so it appears that Amel may have done the same at some stage or that a previous owner of your
boat did it.
Fitting the fuse in the wire driving the motor was very simple and i strongly advise all owners to check to see if a fuse has been fitted in their boat and if
not fit one as a matter of urgency. All that is needed is an inline fuse holder and a few 10 amp fuses.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, for sale in Malta.
Possibly someone with a Super Maramu near #472 could take some photos of the location of the micro switches and post them. I would, but with 387, I fear there were some changes
in the almost 3 years of production.
Bill
BeBe 387
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Re: Amel Maramu 46 manuals/documentation.
Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
Roy, I only need enough for my stern locker for now. I think our dimensions are the same. Those folks OCONUS might have a hard time locating that stuff and it might be more expensive for them. Anyway I digress. I forgot what the the total length of the stern is (I can check it out this weekend) and get back to you. I also have to reattach the gasket to my fwd lockers. Aras BTW> Has anyone ever painted their stern locker compartment. Mine looks a little long in the tooth, and could use a light sanding and some paint. I was thinking of using White Bilge Coat to paint it. I'm also thinking of using Copper coat to paint the bottom of my boat. You know of anyone who has done that?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
Patrick McAneny
Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ? Pat SM123
-----Original Message----- From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea. this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.
Chris Flack
Sounds like I need to get another pole organised before next year and get on with it!! LOL Cheers Chris HEMERA SM031 Sent from my android device.
-----Original Message----- From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 8:33 PM Subject: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation. Hi Andrew, We just sailed Eleuthera into Goček to have work done by EMEK. During the sail, we used the "poles" extensively; to our great delight. Get on with it matey, you'll love it!! We found a small trick worth trying: when releasing the blue line, the line handler keeps a full turn on the cleat and holds back. Reception by the other dude at the rail is a gentle event. Otherwise, it has potential to hurt Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera SM007 On 27 Aug 2014, at 10:58, Chris chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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