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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

svsunnyside
 

Eric, at 75 I will do all the possible to avoid sailing in extreme  condition like Kimberlite (and much lighter too) but nobody knows ! 
I red several time what you wrote but I think that a sketch with the dimentions of all the item involved speaks much clear than any description or photo.    I , and a lot of people,  would appreciate.
Could the Jordan Drogue be managed in a solo navigation ?
Gabriele
Sunny Side M #219


On Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 21:41, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Unfortunately they run inside the backstays.
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
 
 
Eric,
 
Curious: Does the bridle run inside or outside the backstays?
 
Mark
SM2k #275
 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Aldo,
I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches.
The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
 
 
Eric.
Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?
 
Aldo
Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
 
Pat,
The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.
a piece of duct tape fixed that.
otherwise Bone dry Below.
eric
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit
 
If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
 
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
 
Hi all.
Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.
In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia
 
On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387
 
 
 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

I would be interested in this also – Andrew

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

 

 

Yeah, I am not on board for another week but can send you a photo. It provides the shortest route to the Espar and is sealed off by a close fitting grp lid . Ian

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:12:24 -0400
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater


Hi Ian and Judy,

Thanks for the info. I noticed from the photos that I took when I was on Penazen that your heater seems to take the air from the side of the cockpit seat . Is that correct?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

 

 

Hi Eric,  we have the D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may  now have a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every day in Chile and still use it in the Med.
We also used two domestic fan heaters, 220v , 2kw each. Run both those and the Espar and your boat will be dry and warm in an instant.
Oh, and don't forget the aircon heaters, though they aren't hugely effective when it's really cold , but good for ventilating the boat.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

I would like to know what model number of an  espar heater that has been  factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very cold climates?

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Yeah, I am not on board for another week but can send you a photo. It provides the shortest route to the Espar and is sealed off by a close fitting grp lid . Ian

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:12:24 -0400
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater



Hi Ian and Judy,

Thanks for the info. I noticed from the photos that I took when I was on Penazen that your heater seems to take the air from the side of the cockpit seat . Is that correct?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

 

 

Hi Eric,  we have the D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may  now have a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every day in Chile and still use it in the Med.
We also used two domestic fan heaters, 220v , 2kw each. Run both those and the Espar and your boat will be dry and warm in an instant.
Oh, and don't forget the aircon heaters, though they aren't hugely effective when it's really cold , but good for ventilating the boat.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater


I would like to know what model number of an  espar heater that has been  factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very cold climates?

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chris,

This is the hottest time of the year in Gocek...if you were there, you would be tucked into a marina connected to shore power running air conditioning.

In a few weeks it will get much better, but my experience is that it is unbearably hot between mid July to mid September and especially the month of August.

You always use the term, "Cheers." I found out this summer while in Montenegro with our grandkids that the term 'Bless you" and "Cheers" translate to the same term in Serbian and Montenegrin... So, when someone sneezes, my grandkids say, "Cheers." 

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Korcula, Croatia


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

See what happens when you purchase a 1991 boat - there isn't any technology there was in 2000

I am so envious of everyone discussing their boats etc and I'm stuck here at a PC and desk with Hemera 1/2 a world away.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

On 28-08-2014 14:01, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris,
 
I believe that I was told that the first electronic manuals Amel offered were for the Super Maramu 2000...that said, possibly someone has scanned some pre-2000 manuals.
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi Bill,

Do you know if there are ant pre-SM2000 manuals around also?

 

Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031

 

 
[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Chris Flack
 

Hi Bill,

See what happens when you purchase a 1991 boat - there isn't any technology there was in 2000

I am so envious of everyone discussing their boats etc and I'm stuck here at a PC and desk with Hemera 1/2 a world away.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

On 28-08-2014 14:01, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris,
 
I believe that I was told that the first electronic manuals Amel offered were for the Super Maramu 2000...that said, possibly someone has scanned some pre-2000 manuals.
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi Bill,

Do you know if there are ant pre-SM2000 manuals around also?

 

Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031

 

 
Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chris,

I believe that I was told that the first electronic manuals Amel offered were for the Super Maramu 2000...that said, possibly someone has scanned some pre-2000 manuals.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Do you know if there are ant pre-SM2000 manuals around also?

 

Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"

Dave_Benjamin
 

Thanks Nathan. I've emailed Russ. 
Best email for me is dave"AT"islandplanetsails"dotcom" as it's monitored practically 24/7.
Re: Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"

Dave_Benjamin
 

Russ,

I'll shoot you an email from the account that is regularly looked at. Look forward to speaking with you. 

Cheers,
Dave

ex s/v Exit Strategy
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eric Freedman: Bow Sprit and Series Drogue.

eric freedman
 

Terry,

I use the original factory spinnaker halyard to fly my gennaker .

If you saw the beautiful job the fabricator did in St Martin you would want the same. I am thrilled with my bowsprit. If you send me your email I will send a few photos.

 

With respect to the Drogue, I had loops spliced into the ends of the bridle as the line is too big to tie down to the aft cleats.

I use leather chafe gear with Velcro inside and wrap it around the bridle at the chocks and where it passes by the backstays. I then use cable ties to secure them in place. We checked the leathers every hour during the hurricane.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eric Freedman: Bow Sprit and Series Drogue.

 

 

Good morning Eric, I am looking for some advice on selecting an off the shelf bow sprit and how you have mounted your series drogue on Kimberlite and fly downwind sails?

I am looking at a Selden bow sprit....I know you fabricated your own...I am interested if you looked at off the shelf options. 

I am curious at how your mast head is set up for for flying your light air downwind sail. Is there an issue with the sail halyard catching the top swivel furling horns if the standard blocks are used? Do we have to look at fabricating some kind of forward facing extension for the Halyard block?

I also just read the ON article on your trip to the Caribbean in October and the use of the series drogue. (great read) You mention at the end 

"I am also designing a different set of attachment points for the drogue bridle so we can adjust it without putting strain on the backstay"

Just wondering how you originally attached the drogue and if you found a better solution to prevent chafe on the backstay. We will order ours shortly and modify the bridle if you have any suggestions.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Terry Singh

SV Libby

#196

San Diego soon to depart on http://cornellsailing.com/sail-the-odyssey/blue-planet-odyssey/

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

eric freedman
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Thanks for the info. I noticed from the photos that I took when I was on Penazen that your heater seems to take the air from the side of the cockpit seat . Is that correct?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

 

 

Hi Eric,  we have the D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may  now have a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every day in Chile and still use it in the Med.
We also used two domestic fan heaters, 220v , 2kw each. Run both those and the Espar and your boat will be dry and warm in an instant.
Oh, and don't forget the aircon heaters, though they aren't hugely effective when it's really cold , but good for ventilating the boat.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater


I would like to know what model number of an  espar heater that has been  factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very cold climates?

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 

Unfortunately they run inside the backstays.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric,

 

Curious: Does the bridle run inside or outside the backstays?

 

Mark

SM2k #275

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Aldo,

I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches.

The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric.

Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?

 

Aldo

Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

Pat,

The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.

a piece of duct tape fixed that.

otherwise Bone dry Below.

eric

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.

we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.

The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..

we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.

 

we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.

Fair winds,

Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi all.

Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.

In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia

 

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387

 

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

Mark Erdos
 

Eric,

Curious: Does the bridle run inside or outside the backstays?

Mark
SM2k #275


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Aldo,

I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches.

The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric.

Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?

 

Aldo

Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

Pat,

The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.

a piece of duct tape fixed that.

otherwise Bone dry Below.

eric

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.

we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.

The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..

we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.

 

we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.

Fair winds,

Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi all.

Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.

In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia

 

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 

When it was all over my crew said they had fun.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

Pat,

The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.

a piece of duct tape fixed that.

otherwise Bone dry Below.

eric

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.

we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.

The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..

we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.

 

we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.

Fair winds,

Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi all.

Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.

In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia

 

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 

Aldo,

I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches.

The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric.

Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?

 

Aldo

Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

Pat,

The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.

a piece of duct tape fixed that.

otherwise Bone dry Below.

eric

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.

we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.

The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..

we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.

 

we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.

Fair winds,

Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi all.

Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.

In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia

 

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

Aldo Roldan
 

Eric.
Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?

Aldo
Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
Pat,
The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.
a piece of duct tape fixed that.
otherwise Bone dry Below.
eric
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
 
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
 
Hi all.
Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.
In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia


On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
Pat,
The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.
a piece of duct tape fixed that.
otherwise Bone dry Below.
eric
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
 
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
 
Hi all.
Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.
In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia


On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 

Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Chris Flack
 

Hi Bill,

Do you know if there are ant pre-SM2000 manuals around also?

 

Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031

 

 

On 27-08-2014 19:56, Chris chris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Thanks Bill,

This is bring printed out and laminated!!!

Riza said you were a wealth of information :-)

Cheers mate
Chris
Hemera SM031

On 27 August 2014 7:39:29 PM AEST, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
 

 

Chris,
 
You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 
 
We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 
 
When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:
  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...
It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.
 
Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.
 
We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.
 
I hope this helps you Chris.
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

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-----Original Message-----
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"

Nat Bossett
 

Dave monitors this list and is reachable at his work:
http://islandplanetsails.com/

However, I've had hull 29 for about a year now.

Dave is in Reno and the boat is in Alameda, California.

If you have trouble contacting him via his business I can send you more
contact information privately.

-Nathan
Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"

Russ Roberts
 

Can anyone put me in touch with Dave Benjamin? If so, Dave can email me at russ(dot)roberts(dot)va(at)gmail.  Thanks!