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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 

When it was all over my crew said they had fun.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

Pat,

The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.

a piece of duct tape fixed that.

otherwise Bone dry Below.

eric

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.

we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.

The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..

we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.

 

we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.

Fair winds,

Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi all.

Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.

In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia

 

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 

Aldo,

I just used the stern cleats and then backed them upon the primary winches. The force on the bridles is gentle and there is no jerking of the bridle just a stretching of the bridle. The bridles are quite heavy from memory possibly 30 mm or bigger. Due to the thickness of the bridle I had eyes spliced into them and put these on the cleats and then run heavy line from the eyes to the winches.

The lines in the drogue get progressively smaller as they get further from the boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

 

Eric.

Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?

 

Aldo

Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

Pat,

The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.

a piece of duct tape fixed that.

otherwise Bone dry Below.

eric

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 

If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.

we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.

The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..

we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.

 

we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.

Fair winds,

Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi all.

Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.

In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia

 

On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

Aldo Roldan
 

Eric.
Thank you for such a remarkable account.  It certainly gives much peace of mind knowing what our boats can stand.  One question: to what point(s) of the boat was the Jordan drogue attached to?  I have heard the jib sheet winches being recommended, but also heard the stern cleats could be suitable.  Have you reinforced any of the attachment points beyond what it was done originally by Amel?

Aldo
Moonshot sm2000 396


On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:48 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
Pat,
The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.
a piece of duct tape fixed that.
otherwise Bone dry Below.
eric
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
 
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
 
Hi all.
Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.
In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia


On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric , That's good to hear and also amazing ,considering the water pressure exerted by a cockpit full of water. 100 knts. ,60 ft. seas , sounds like a hell of a ride, not sorry I could not have been there. Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
Pat,
The only place the water entered Kimberlite is where the pin from the midships berth goes through the boat to hold the engine room hatch closed.
a piece of duct tape fixed that.
otherwise Bone dry Below.
eric
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:24 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
 
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
 
Hi all.
Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.
In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia


On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

eric freedman
 


Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Chris Flack
 

Hi Bill,

Do you know if there are ant pre-SM2000 manuals around also?

 

Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031

 

 

On 27-08-2014 19:56, Chris chris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Thanks Bill,

This is bring printed out and laminated!!!

Riza said you were a wealth of information :-)

Cheers mate
Chris
Hemera SM031

On 27 August 2014 7:39:29 PM AEST, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
 

 

Chris,
 
You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 
 
We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 
 
When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:
  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...
It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.
 
Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.
 
We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.
 
I hope this helps you Chris.
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"

Nat Bossett
 

Dave monitors this list and is reachable at his work:
http://islandplanetsails.com/

However, I've had hull 29 for about a year now.

Dave is in Reno and the boat is in Alameda, California.

If you have trouble contacting him via his business I can send you more
contact information privately.

-Nathan


Looking for Maramu "Exit Strategy"

Russ Roberts
 

Can anyone put me in touch with Dave Benjamin? If so, Dave can email me at russ(dot)roberts(dot)va(at)gmail.  Thanks!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Kent

 

I have a couple of pictures of the original use of the Mizzen preventer  that I used to get the bow thruster back up after the initial failure but none of the solution that I setup for our holiday. When I am next at the boat in about 2 weeks’ time I will take some pictures and post them all.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:44 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

 

 

Hi Andrew,

I'm interested in your pulley system to raise/lower the bow thruster.  Did you take any pics?

Thanks,

Kent

SM243 Kristy

Still on the hard in Fernandina Beach waiting for the Cdrive to return from France...I guess the whole country takes vacation the whole month of August.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I have the Espar D5LC

I have not used it yet.
In winter I have only used reverse air conditioning as well as portable 220 Volt heater.
The coldest outside was briefly 0*C / 32*F and this was sufficient.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K#289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas



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On Tue, 8/26/14, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 10:52 PM


 









I would
like to know what model number of an  espar heater that has
been  factory installed by Amel
on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with
ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you
have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the
boat in very cold climates?Fair
winds,EricSm 376 Kimberlite












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Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Since I am usually single hand, what I do to avoid the pole hit the cockpit (or a guest), I attach one of the halyard of the Mizzen to the rail.
So when I gradually release the pole (with the blue line) it end up resting on the halyard.
Then I lower it, then attach it on the rail with the little hook.
Make sure you don't forget to untie the halyard from the rail after.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K#289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas


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On Wed, 8/27/14, Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2014, 4:49 AM


 













One thing I find you
need to look out for is when releasing the fore guy (blue)
to bring the pole in, there is a point where this guy no
longer has control,
due to the curvature of the boat and the fore guy passing
its maximum length - at that point the pole can accelerate
towards the receiving crew member so they need to be ready
for this!
 
Andrew
 
 
Ronpische

SM2k 472
Canet en
Roussillion, France
 
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:39 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel
Manuals/documentation.


 
 




Chris,

 


You will love the Genoa
Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole
system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 


 


We used the Port Pole two
days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in
light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port,
and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a
preventer. 

 


When we bought BeBe, the
first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the
instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in
the instructions like:



The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when
rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go
through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the
bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole
out.
Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside
connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down
(yellow) guys connect to the inside connection
points.
Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are
rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the
up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while
pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue
tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where
the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will
tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have
cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is
rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life
rail.
To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping
the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it
to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and
the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND
slowly gives slack
to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the
crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and
hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole
by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to
re-rig...


It is a little daunting
the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less
downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides.
Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you
will not be sorry.


 


Yes, there are many
mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system,
BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost
fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with
guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu,
I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to
Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed
them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use
the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the
Pole...this went perfectly
until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten
to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.


 


We always rig both Poles,
except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care
that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between
the short and long Poles.


 


I hope this helps you
Chris.


 


Bill


BeBe 387


 




 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at
8:38 AM,
chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:


 




Thanks Bill,




Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will
give it a try when we get back next year.




Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031



Sent from my android
device.



-----Original Message-----

From: "yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners@...

Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM

Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel
Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help
you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them.
They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387







 


















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

karkauai
 

Hi Andrew,
I'm interested in your pulley system to raise/lower the bow thruster.  Did you take any pics?
Thanks,
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Still on the hard in Fernandina Beach waiting for the Cdrive to return from France...I guess the whole country takes vacation the whole month of August.


From: "Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

 
An update on my Bow thruster Linear Actuator problem.
 
I think a fuse in the line to the motor sounds the best plan – easy to change – the 10amp fuse on my unit is inside the box on the circuit board, requiring the removal of 4 small screws to change.
 
Initially I got a replacement motor from Amel for 324 euros without taxes or delivery however this turned out to be the wrong motor and did not fit the drive (either physically to the drive, but also the worm thread sizes were different) the numbering on it seemed to suggest that it was for  linear actuator with a 50cm  travel, whereas the actuator that I have has a 20cm travel (maybe the later Amels have a longer travel for the bow thruster?). The only alternative from Amel was to buy a complete drive and motor replacement which was going to be 1217 euros without tax or delivery, but basically they were going to send me the drive unit to add to the engine so I did not have confidence that this was going to be the correct drive, so I sent the motor back to Amel.
 
I contacted SNT who manufacture the units and they have supplied a replacement motor for 300 euros including tax and delivery – I now have this and this is the correct motor fitting both the worm drive thread and the drive unit. I also sent the broken unit to be rewound and reconditioned to www.robsonandfranciswinds.co.uk (a London based motor repair company) who have rewound the motor and reconditioned the motor - changed the brushes etc, this cost 185 GBP including taxes and delivery – this I will receive in the next day or two, so I should have a replacement backup also. I also got two new hall effect sensors from Amel at 24 euros each.
 
So over the next few days I am going to put the actuator back together then study the circuit in more detail and probably either add a thermal circuit breaker set at 5 amps (the SNT documentation seems to suggest that at maximum load it will draw 4 to 4.5 amps) or a inline fuse as in the previous message which could be easily changed.
 
I also took Bills advice and bought a battery tester – this was quite interesting – initially 5 batteries failed. With 2 of them (scored 300amps instead of 1000) I found that the nuts fixing the wires between the batteries were a bit loose – so I tightened them and left the batteries to charge overnight and the next day the both passed. Another 2 (scored 650 amps) when I took them out jiggled them about a bit and then made sure that I had a really good contact between the tester and the terminals they also passed. The only other battery that failed was the starter battery (again marginally 700 amps)  I re-tested this after motoring for a couple of hours and this also passed.
 
Incidentally we have just completed 3 weeks holiday in the Balearics – we used a pulley system to lift and lower the bow thruster – worked a treat!
 
Andrew
 
Ronpische
SM2k 472
Canet en Roussillion, France


 
 
 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator
 
Hello Andrew,
Several years ago I made silly mistake which resulted in that motor being totally burnt out.This was a potential disaster as Amel told me that the motor was out of production but Maud managed to find one and sent it to me. When I fitted it I installed a 10 amp fuse in it’s circuit in the connection box and tied some spares onto the box for the next time there might be a problem.
I sent a message to this site advising every one to do the same and so it appears that Amel may have done the same at some stage or that a previous owner of your boat did it.
Fitting the fuse in the wire driving the motor was very simple and i strongly advise all owners to check to see if a fuse has been fitted in their  boat and if not fit one as a matter of urgency. All that is needed is an inline fuse holder and a few 10 amp fuses.
 
                                     Good luck,   Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM319,  for sale in Malta.
 
 
Possibly someone with a Super Maramu near #472 could take some photos of the location of the micro switches and post them. I would, but with 387, I fear there were some changes in the almost 3 years of production.
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Andrew,
 
I can tell you from very recent experience that Brava (SM2K #400) has a 10 amp car fuse installed in the linear actuator, and it works.  I had neglected to put up the bow thruster until I was out of the harbor in some swells, and when I tried to bring it up in those conditions there was enough pressure on the bow thruster shaft that the bow thruster's pointed end on the top of the motor jammed against the edge of the receiving cone, thus failing to fully rise and thus not giving me the familiar alarm saying "I am fully up!".   Inspection showed that the bow thruster was jammed, and it would not go up or down.  I shut off the system in short order and slowly returned into the harbor. 
 
Back at a mooring I was able to physically unjam the motor/shaft by looping a line around the shaft near the top (pointed end) and pulling really hard.  The up/down controlls still did not work.  I then examined the "black box" (linear actuator) by taking off the 4 cover screws and found that the 10 amp car fuse had blown.  Natually I did not have any spares aboard, so a crew member shorted the fuse with a small piece of wire and voila the bow thruster once again went up and down!
 
So under certain circumstances like my jam, the 10 amp fuse does serve a function to avoid burning out the motor that raises and lowers the bow thruster.  It is not clear to me why your 10 amp fuse failed to protect your motor.  Am I correct that you tested the fuse for electrical continuity and not just by visual inspection?   Please do keep the rest of us informed of your progress in understanding the system.
 
Derick
SM2K #400 Brava
On the hard in Antigua
 



Re: Amel Maramu 46 manuals/documentation.

Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
 

Roy,
I only need enough for my stern locker for now.  I think our dimensions are the same. Those folks OCONUS might have a hard time locating that stuff and it might be more expensive for them.  Anyway I digress.  I forgot what the the total length of the stern is (I can check it out this weekend) and get back to you.  I also have to reattach the gasket to my fwd lockers.  

Aras
BTW> Has anyone ever painted their stern locker compartment. Mine looks a little long in the tooth, and could use a light sanding and some paint.  I was thinking of using White Bilge Coat to paint it. 

I'm also thinking of using Copper coat to paint the bottom of my boat. You know of anyone who has done that?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, With the cockpit filled with water , did water make its way past the seals and into the engine room ?  Pat SM123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Windows in the cockpit

 
If you google "prepare for survival conditions" you will see an article about us in a hurricane for 36 hours with winds to 100 knots and seas 60 feet.
we had the companionway closed and all the curtains up.
The curtains held up well bud did eventually separate at the zippers . we sewed th zippers closed. now I have added webbing to either side of the zippers so we can tie then closed if the zippers fail..
we had waves break over the entire boat and all I saw numerous times was the two masts sticking out of the sea.  this went on at least hourly for the entire hurricane as we were stern to the wind and waves on a Jordan series drogue.
 
we never took a drop of water below. The speed that the cockpit drains is amazing.
Fair winds,
Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:18 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIM MS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 
Hi all.
Remember the cockpit cover is not your main defence against water getting below. In fact it is wide open to seas from behind. I met one European SM owner who had a wave splash into the cockpit from behind and down the open companion way onto all his electronics at the nav station with brutal results. And that was just a big splash.
In bad weather where seas are likely to break over the boat the companion way should be closed. As we have said before we have added curtains that enclose the whole cockpit which stops the splashes but in serious weather that might challenge the integrity of the windows the closed companionway is essential.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Isle of Pines New Caledonia


On Tuesday, 26 August 2014 5:36 PM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
The primary thing holding the side windows is adhesive, not the screws. I believe the adhesive is plenty strong enough to hold the 10mm plexiglass against any breaking wave. Bill BeBe 387



Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Chris Flack
 

Sounds like I need to get another pole organised before next year and get on with it!!  LOL

Cheers
Chris
HEMERA SM031

Sent from my android device.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Hi Andrew,


We just sailed Eleuthera into Goček to have work done by EMEK.  During the sail, we used the "poles" extensively; to our great delight.

Get on with it matey, you'll love it!!

We found a small trick worth trying: when releasing the blue line, the line handler keeps a full turn on the cleat and holds back.  Reception by the other dude at the rail is a gentle event.  Otherwise, it has potential to hurt



Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 27 Aug 2014, at 10:58, Chris chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for this too. I am trying to picture the steps in my mind as I read them. Can't wait to get back on board and start paying again.

Cheers
Chris
HEMERA SM031

On 27 August 2014 7:49:31 PM AEST, "Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

One thing I find you need to look out for is when releasing the fore guy (blue) to bring the pole in, there is a point where this guy no longer has control, due to the curvature of the boat and the fore guy passing its maximum length - at that point the pole can accelerate towards the receiving crew member so they need to be ready for this!

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

 

Chris,

 

You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 

 

We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 

 

When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:

  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...

It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.

 

Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.

 

We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.

 

I hope this helps you Chris.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

Sent from my android device.

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To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387

 



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eric,  we have the D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may  now have a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every day in Chile and still use it in the Med.
We also used two domestic fan heaters, 220v , 2kw each. Run both those and the Espar and your boat will be dry and warm in an instant.
Oh, and don't forget the aircon heaters, though they aren't hugely effective when it's really cold , but good for ventilating the boat.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater



I would like to know what model number of an  espar heater that has been  factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already have the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just wonder what model some of you have on your Super Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very cold climates?
Fair winds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite



Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Andrew,

We just sailed Eleuthera into Goček to have work done by EMEK.  During the sail, we used the "poles" extensively; to our great delight.

Get on with it matey, you'll love it!!

We found a small trick worth trying: when releasing the blue line, the line handler keeps a full turn on the cleat and holds back.  Reception by the other dude at the rail is a gentle event.  Otherwise, it has potential to hurt



Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 27 Aug 2014, at 10:58, Chris chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for this too. I am trying to picture the steps in my mind as I read them. Can't wait to get back on board and start paying again.

Cheers
Chris
HEMERA SM031

On 27 August 2014 7:49:31 PM AEST, "Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

One thing I find you need to look out for is when releasing the fore guy (blue) to bring the pole in, there is a point where this guy no longer has control, due to the curvature of the boat and the fore guy passing its maximum length - at that point the pole can accelerate towards the receiving crew member so they need to be ready for this!

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

 

Chris,

 

You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 

 

We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 

 

When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:

  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...

It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.

 

Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.

 

We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.

 

I hope this helps you Chris.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387

 



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Re: {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Chris Flack
 

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for this too. I am trying to picture the steps in my mind as I read them. Can't wait to get back on board and start paying again.

Cheers
Chris
HEMERA SM031


On 27 August 2014 7:49:31 PM AEST, "Dr Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
 

One thing I find you need to look out for is when releasing the fore guy (blue) to bring the pole in, there is a point where this guy no longer has control, due to the curvature of the boat and the fore guy passing its maximum length - at that point the pole can accelerate towards the receiving crew member so they need to be ready for this!

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

 

Chris,

 

You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 

 

We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 

 

When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:

  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...

It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.

 

Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.

 

We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.

 

I hope this helps you Chris.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387

 


Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Chris Flack
 

Thanks Bill,

This is bring printed out and laminated!!!

Riza said you were a wealth of information :-)

Cheers mate
Chris
Hemera SM031


On 27 August 2014 7:39:29 PM AEST, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
 

Chris,

You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 

We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 

When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:
  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...
It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.

Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.

We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.

I hope this helps you Chris.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387



Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

One thing I find you need to look out for is when releasing the fore guy (blue) to bring the pole in, there is a point where this guy no longer has control, due to the curvature of the boat and the fore guy passing its maximum length - at that point the pole can accelerate towards the receiving crew member so they need to be ready for this!

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

 

Chris,

 

You will love the Genoa Pole system for any downwind sailing and the double Pole system with the Ballooner for downwind passages. 

 

We used the Port Pole two days ago in a 10.2 hour dead-downwind sail of 68 miles in light winds. We had the mizzen with a preventer out to Port, and for part of the trip, the Main out to Stbd with a preventer. 

 

When we bought BeBe, the first 5 or 6 times we used the Poles, we followed the instructions in the book...there are a few things missing in the instructions like:

  1. The sheet is always to the outside of the lines when rigging. The sheet does not go through the car, but does go through the sheet block...AND...be sure that you cleat the bitter end of the sheet before swinging the Pole out.
  2. Fore (blue) and Aft (red) guys always connect to the outside connection points on the Pole, while Up (white) and Down (yellow) guys connect to the inside connection points.
  3. Setting the Pole out: Once all of the lines are rigged (including the sheet), raise the pole up with the up-guy about 1 foot above the life-rail...push it out while pulling on the fore-guy (blue), cleat the blue tightly...then tighten the up-guy to where the Pole is horizontal...this tightening of the up-guy will tighten all the other lines perfectly, assuming you have cleated them at the point marked on each line. 
  4. When you swing it out, you may find that one of the lines is rigged wrong...if so, bring it back to the life rail.
  5. To bring the Pole back, lower the Pole by slipping the up-guy to about where the Pole was before you raised it to a horizontal position. Then one crew grabs the sheet and the back-guy while the other crew uncleats the fore-guy, AND slowly gives slack to the fore-guy as the Pole swings menacingly toward the crew and the boat. Brake the swing with the fore-guy and hold your hand(s) up to catch the Pole...now lower the Pole by slipping the up guy and hook the Pole on the rail to re-rig...

It is a little daunting the first time or two, but you will love the jibe-less downwind sailing and easy reefing the system provides. Continue to try it until you are comfortable with it...you will not be sorry.

 

Yes, there are many mistakes you can make setting up and rigging this system, BUT when properly rigged, the use of the system is almost fool-proof. Speaking of fools...about 2 weeks ago with guests aboard who had just bought a Super Maramu, I was showing them how to rig and use the Pole system to Port with the Genoa. I had them rig it while I instructed them...everything was rigged perfectly. Then I chose to use the Genoa furler and sheet winch to set the Genoa on the Pole...this went perfectly until the Stbd sheet stopped the process...I had forgotten to set the Stbd sheet to run freely.

 

We always rig both Poles, except for rigging the sheet on passages...but take care that your Genoa does not chafe on the knuckle joint between the short and long Poles.

 

I hope this helps you Chris.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

 

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill,

Now I have instructions on how to connect the POLE and will give it a try when we get back next year.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Manuals/documentation.

 

Chris, Great, I hope they help you. Any one that needs thes manuals should download them. They will not be in that Dropbox forever. Bill BeBe 387