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Re: Interlux micron 66

N33077 <n33077@...>

#18506

Speaking of bottom paints, has anybody used Coppercoat ?
N33077

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Mark Erdos

#18505

We considered CC and are in warm water (Florida). I talked to a company representative who stated that most people who are unhappy with CC is because the paint was applied incorrectly. It is a process with little lenience. Few yards seem to really understand the correct procedure. This is an ongoing challenge for the CC company. Even the yards that are certified do very few boats and are not proficient with the process.

I asked the company representative to give me the name of a boat yard in Florida who purchases the most product from them. My logic being that this would be the yard most familiar with the application process. I was surprised when they didn’t really have a preferred location to which to refer potential customers. If we had gone the CC option, the local representative offered to oversee the paint application and “teach” our local yard the process.

CC does work well in warm water. If I remember correctly, if the boat is hauled and the CC paint sits for a few days while dry dock work is performed then the paint must be lightly sanded before being splashed. So, since an Amel requires a haul out about every two years anyway for drive, prop and bow thruster service, CC offers no real savings. We opted for Micron 66. Dollar for dollar, Micron was the less expensive option and works well.

Best regards,

Mark

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

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Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Bill / JP

I am very interested in this – we had CC on our last boat which was mainly on the west Coast of France and found it worked really well – we cleaned a light coating of grow off once a year.

I will be very interested to hear how it fairs in the tropics – we are considering applying this to our Amel next year, but don’t expect to leave the Med for a few years.

When I talk to local enterprises about it there seems to be a real mix of those that really like it and those that hate it and think it doesn’t work.

Andrew

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hello Bill,

No offense at all; I found CC to work well for me so far...

I will admit my error if the future makes you right and me wrong.

:-)

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet
On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.
The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.
You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.
I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.
Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet
On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?
Aras

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#18504

good to know...

Thank you.

JP

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On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

HI JP

There is a team in Canet-en-Roussillon that apply it quite often, so seems to be ok in France

Andrew

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hi Andrew,

You may have a problem in France... I think it may be a banned product. (Eleuthera is in Turkey)(No problem there)

You will have to check it out

Cheers,

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:07, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill / JP

I am very interested in this – we had CC on our last boat which was mainly on the west Coast of France and found it worked really well – we cleaned a light coating of grow off once a year.

I will be very interested to hear how it fairs in the tropics – we are considering applying this to our Amel next year, but don’t expect to leave the Med for a few years.

When I talk to local enterprises about it there seems to be a real mix of those that really like it and those that hate it and think it doesn’t work.

Andrew

Ronpische
SM2k 472
Canet en Roussillion, France

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hello Bill,

No offense at all; I found CC to work well for me so far...

I will admit my error if the future makes you right and me wrong.

:-)

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre

Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.
The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.
You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.
I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.
Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?

Aras

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Andrew & Kate Lamb

#18503

HI JP

There is a team in Canet-en-Roussillon that apply it quite often, so seems to be ok in France

Andrew

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hi Andrew,

You may have a problem in France... I think it may be a banned product. (Eleuthera is in Turkey)(No problem there)

You will have to check it out

Cheers,

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:07, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill / JP

I am very interested in this – we had CC on our last boat which was mainly on the west Coast of France and found it worked really well – we cleaned a light coating of grow off once a year.

I will be very interested to hear how it fairs in the tropics – we are considering applying this to our Amel next year, but don’t expect to leave the Med for a few years.

When I talk to local enterprises about it there seems to be a real mix of those that really like it and those that hate it and think it doesn’t work.

Andrew

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hello Bill,

No offense at all; I found CC to work well for me so far...

I will admit my error if the future makes you right and me wrong.

:-)

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JP,

I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.

Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc:

JP,

I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.

Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre

Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.

The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.

You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.

I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.

Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?

Aras

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#18502

Hi Andrew,

You may have a problem in France... I think it may be a banned product. (Eleuthera is in Turkey)(No problem there)

You will have to check it out

Cheers,

JP

Show quoted text

On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:07, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill / JP

I am very interested in this – we had CC on our last boat which was mainly on the west Coast of France and found it worked really well – we cleaned a light coating of grow off once a year.

I will be very interested to hear how it fairs in the tropics – we are considering applying this to our Amel next year, but don’t expect to leave the Med for a few years.

When I talk to local enterprises about it there seems to be a real mix of those that really like it and those that hate it and think it doesn’t work.

Andrew

Ronpische
SM2k 472
Canet en Roussillion, France

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hello Bill,

No offense at all; I found CC to work well for me so far...

I will admit my error if the future makes you right and me wrong.

:-)

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre

Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.
The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.
You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.
I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.
Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?

Aras

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Andrew & Kate Lamb

#18501

Bill / JP

I am very interested in this – we had CC on our last boat which was mainly on the west Coast of France and found it worked really well – we cleaned a light coating of grow off once a year.

I will be very interested to hear how it fairs in the tropics – we are considering applying this to our Amel next year, but don’t expect to leave the Med for a few years.

When I talk to local enterprises about it there seems to be a real mix of those that really like it and those that hate it and think it doesn’t work.

Andrew

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Hello Bill,

No offense at all; I found CC to work well for me so far...

I will admit my error if the future makes you right and me wrong.

:-)

JP

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JP,

I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.

Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc:

JP,

I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.

Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre

Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.

The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.

You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.

I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.

Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?

Aras

Posted by: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#18500

Hello Bill,

No offense at all; I found CC to work well for me so far...

I will admit my error if the future makes you right and me wrong.

:-)

JP

Show quoted text

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc:

JP,
I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.
Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.
The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.
You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.
I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.
Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?
Aras

Posted by: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

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#18499

JP,

I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.

Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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Date: Oct 3, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66
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Cc:

JP,

I believe that CC works well with 1 to 2 cleanings in the Med. I believe you will find a significant difference in the tropics...and round the world, you will be in the tropics almost all of the time. People I know cleaned and scraped 3 to 4 times in the tropics and required dive gear and metal scrapers. Some people enjoy this.

Like I said earlier, I am not a fan of CC, and take this into consideration when reading my negative comments.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Oct 3, 2014 2:25 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007

On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.
The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.
You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.
I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.
Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?
Aras

Posted by: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interlux micron 66

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#18498

Hello Aras,

I have used Coppercoat exclusively in high foul areas of the Med; I have not had to clean my hull more than once a year and in my case, I do it with a long handled brush from the dinghy.

No cost as opposed to a haul out and anti foul.

Eleuthera is getting an epoxy primer then 5 coats of CC before we set off on our RTW.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre

Eleuthera SM007

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On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.
The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.
You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.
I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.
Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?
Aras

Posted by: "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Interlux micron 66

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#18497

I have not used coppercoat, but I have three friends who have used it. Two love it, the third dislikes it.

The reason the third dislikes it is because coppercoat will require numerous hull cleanings and scrapings each year. The richer the water and the more tropical the climate, the more cleanings.

You may enjoy cleaning your hull. If you do, coppercoat may be for you. If not, and you apply it, you have just applied a coat of epoxy with some copper it.

I will admit, that I am not a fan of coppercoat, so be sure to get other opinions.

Oh, and there is a photo on the Amel Owners Group Yahoo website side-by-side of Micron66 vs Coppercoat. Each boat had application in New Zealand and the photo was taken 1 year later in Malaysia. Search photos for hull, antifouling, or Micron66.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

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On Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM, "Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?
Aras

Re: Interlux micron 66

Aras Grinius <n33077@...>

#18496

Instead of using Micron paints, has anybody ever used CopperCoat as a bottom paint?

Aras

Rusting anchor chain

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>

#18495

Mixing metals in sea water creates electrolysis and thus rust.Thus a stainless anchor on a galvanised chain will cause the chain to rust.I have a galvanised anchor fixed to a galvanised chain with a stainless swivel.The chain is protected by fitting an anode on the end of the chain which has not rusted despite about five years use.The anodes that I use are designed for propshaft use, from memory 1.5 inch diameter and are fitted around the chain. They are not a perfect fit but do the job especially if the bolts are tightened from time to time. I shall change the stainless swivel to galvanised anyway as wrought iron is stronger than stainless thus the idea of using a stainless chain is not very smart.

Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, for sale in Malta

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo transmission cooler

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#18494

I have an actual cooler, but I also have a Yanmar and a later model SM2k. There are photos of mine at: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1228643648

Bill

BeBe 387

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On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:10 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I took the hoses off the transmission cooler on my Volvo TMD22A . I expected to see a coil or heat exchanger inside of the box , but it appears there is nothing inside from what I can see. Is it simply a heat sink , water passing by the side wall of the transmission pulling heat away, or is there a coil with oil passing through that I can not see by looking down through the top where the hose attaches. I do not want to take the box off the transmission for nothing. Thanks, Pat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo transmission cooler

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#18493

This is also what I noted on mine (have Volvo TMD22 as well).

Sincerely, Alexandre
Bay Street Marina, Nassau. Bahamas

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On Thu, 10/2/14, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo transmission cooler
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Thursday, October 2, 2014, 7:10 AM


  









       I took the hoses off the transmission
 cooler on my Volvo TMD22A . I expected to see a coil or heat
 exchanger inside of the box , but it appears there is
 nothing inside from what I can see. Is it simply a heat sink
 , water passing by the side wall of the transmission pulling
 heat away, or is there a coil with oil passing through that
 I can not see by looking down through the top where the hose
 attaches. I do not want to take the box off the transmission
 for nothing. Thanks, Pat









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Re: Interlux micron 66

yahoogroups@...

#18492

Pat,

Absolutely correct. Here in Europe they distribute Micron77 which is good in fresh or saltwater. 

I do not think Micron77 is available there. 

BTW, I did not know you were in fresh water until your recent anode post. 

Bill
BeBe 387

Volvo transmission cooler

Patrick McAneny

#18491

I took the hoses off the transmission cooler on my Volvo TMD22A . I expected to see a coil or heat exchanger inside of the box , but it appears there is nothing inside from what I can see. Is it simply a heat sink , water passing by the side wall of the transmission pulling heat away, or is there a coil with oil passing through that I can not see by looking down through the top where the hose attaches. I do not want to take the box off the transmission for nothing. Thanks, Pat

Interlux micron 66

Patrick McAneny

#18490

Based on the positive feedback from members of the group and the evaluation from Practical Sailor , I was ready to buy and apply micron 66 to my boat. An employee in the yard said he did not think I can use it because I am in fresh water, but he was not sure. I contacted Interlux and confirmed , that you can not apply micron 66 if your boat is going to be in fresh water for more than 24 hours. The fresh water destroys the paint's biocide. This happened to a good friend, that did not know why , but the micron provided no protection while he was in the Caribbean last year after applying here , two months before leaving . I told him why, yesterday after talking to Interlux , and I thought I'd pass it along to the group so someone does not make the same costly mistake that I almost did. I have decided to use Sea Hawk Biocop , which is supposed to be very good for fresh and salt water. Pat SM Shenanigans

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

rossienio@...

#18489

Good day Kent, is clear to me that the cast-iron keel (iron+carbon) is not the end of sacrifical bonding, but itself must be protected by zinc on the rudder.

But i cannot tell if the keel on SANTORIN is connected to the bonding or not.And if it is relared how???????? Greetings. Enio.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

karkauai

#18488

I'll check when I get back on the boat and see if I can follow a wire to the rudder. There has to be one since my zincs are eroding enough to need replacing every 6-8 months.

The bonding strap is there to prevent damage to the keel, not as the final termination of the bonding system....right?

Sigh...maybe I'll understand it all one day.

Thanks again

Kent

SM243

KRISTY

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On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:14 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I do not think that is accurate for 387.

I am mostly sure that all green/yellow wires terminate at the ground strap, and that there is a green/yellow wire that connects the ground strap to the rudder post which is connected to the zincs.

There is a copper foil buried in the hull, but it goes to the SSB ground on the skeg.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Oct 1, 2014 6:08 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

That answers my question, thanks. So the keel is bonded as is everything else, to the zincs via a large green/yellow wire that connects to the zincs via a strap that's buried in the hull epoxy. That sound right?

On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:10 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Kent,

Look at the top of the ground strap on your SM. You will see the attachment of all of the yellow/green wires from each of the items that are "bonded."

One of those wires runs back to the stern and is connected to the rudder post and zincs.

The bottom of the ground strap is connected to a SS keel stud, secured by a large SS nut...30mm if my memory is correct. To loosen the nut, you will need about 3 feet of 1/2" drive extentions and a 30mm socket. There are photos. Search photos for "ground strap"

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Oct 1, 2014 1:01 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi sailors,
Just out of curiosity, does the bonding strap in the bilge attach to the rudder zincs? I can see it bonding to the keel, but how does it (if it does) go from there to the rudder? If not, where does it go from the keel bolt in the bilge? If it doesn't go from the bilge to the rudder zincs, is it a way to get the keel bonded to the zincs via another route? If so, what is that route to the rudder?
Duh,
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:44 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Goog day to all . It seems to me that the bonding is s very important thing for the survival of our boats. How could you to do to get an official response of the yard AMEL on this? There is an after-sales service of AMEL?? Greetings

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#18487

I do not think that is accurate for 387.

I am mostly sure that all green/yellow wires terminate at the ground strap, and that there is a green/yellow wire that connects the ground strap to the rudder post which is connected to the zincs.

There is a copper foil buried in the hull, but it goes to the SSB ground on the skeg.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

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On Oct 1, 2014 6:08 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

That answers my question, thanks. So the keel is bonded as is everything else, to the zincs via a large green/yellow wire that connects to the zincs via a strap that's buried in the hull epoxy. That sound right?

On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:10 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Kent,

Look at the top of the ground strap on your SM. You will see the attachment of all of the yellow/green wires from each of the items that are "bonded."

One of those wires runs back to the stern and is connected to the rudder post and zincs.

The bottom of the ground strap is connected to a SS keel stud, secured by a large SS nut...30mm if my memory is correct. To loosen the nut, you will need about 3 feet of 1/2" drive extentions and a 30mm socket. There are photos. Search photos for "ground strap"

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 1, 2014 1:01 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi sailors,
Just out of curiosity, does the bonding strap in the bilge attach to the rudder zincs? I can see it bonding to the keel, but how does it (if it does) go from there to the rudder? If not, where does it go from the keel bolt in the bilge? If it doesn't go from the bilge to the rudder zincs, is it a way to get the keel bonded to the zincs via another route? If so, what is that route to the rudder?
Duh,
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:44 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Goog day to all . It seems to me that the bonding is s very important thing for the survival of our boats. How could you to do to get an official response of the yard AMEL on this? There is an after-sales service of AMEL?? Greetings