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Adding Grease Ports to Furlers

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

I have been reviewing the messages and pictures on this site relating to added grease nipples for the furlers, and some of the photos appear to show only a single nipple.  I am preparing to modify my furlers to add grease ports.  Rather than use a grease nipple, I plan to tap a thread for the 5 mm adapter used for greasing the autoprop, and when not in use stopping these ports with 5 mm nylon screws.  I have a couple of questions about this:

 

1.  Would you feel comfortable blind drilling into the locations shown in the photos sections, or instead pull apart the furler mechanisms to be sure not to drill into any vital parts?  How much clearance is there on the interior?

 

2.  Some of the photos seem to show only a single port.  Isn't it necessary to have both an entry and an exit port to prevent blowing out seals when adding grease?

 

3. Would you use the same waterproof Lithium-based grease for the furlers as used for the autoprop (NAPA Autoparts purple tube)?

 

Derick Gates

 

SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail upgrade

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mike,

I am intrigued by this product and I certainly do not have the answer to your question. I have two thoughts:

Have you asked Interstate Plastics?

3M makes some flexible foam tape that automotive manufacturers use to bond plastic trim parts to steel. I am not sure of the technical term for this product, but auto body shops call it 3M double sided red tape. I also think it is called 3M Core Series tape. I have some on the boat and have used it successfully to mount various things...it has not failed me.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 28, 2014 1:52 PM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

We are considering adding a more durable wearing surface to the rub rail. There have been previous posting of applying a “Starboard” strip to the recess in the rub rail such that it protrudes a bit and takes the bulk of the abuse. I believe Starboard is HDPE (high density polyethylene). King Starboard seems to be a slightly different formulation for marine use. Starboard is apparently manufactured in ¼” and 3/8” thicknesses in 4’x8’ sheets and works easily with carpentry tools (can be cut into 1” strips on a table saw). For anyone who has done this how did you attach it to the rub rail (mechanical fasteners, bedding adhesive, both), and how has it held up over time? What other solutions have been successful to enhance the durability of the rub rail?

 

There is an even tougher material, Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMW PE) available from Interstate Plastics in Sacramento, CA that is intriguing. Its potential advantage is its availability in 1” wide coil allowing for a continuous single piece from stem to stern. My concern is the difference in Coefficient of Thermal Expansion between laid up fiberglass and the UHMW PE (it expands about twice the rate of fiberglass). Often this is addressed with oversize or slotted holes allowing the movement, not an installation detail that seems desirable for this use. It would seem preferable to fully adhere the strip to the rub rail, largely eliminating the need for mechanical fasteners. So the question is this, with a high strength bond to the fiberglass rub rail, what is the likelihood that the UHMW PE can internally absorb the stresses caused by differential expansion/contraction without buckling and breaking the bond? If we cannot be confident that this approach works, we would go with the 8’ pieces leaving the joints to allow for the expansion/contraction.

 

Mike Ondra

S/V Aletes SM#240

 

  

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator Onan, not shutting off

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I am sure that you know this, but, assuming the switch on the genset works fine, my guess is that it is the galley switch. I would check it with an ohm meter before checking the genset.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 28, 2014 1:49 PM, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

My Onan is not shutting down with the galley switch. Any suggestions as to what the problem may be. It appears that the fuel shut off is held open with 12v applied, so does the switch break the flow of power  to the solenoid ?  Thanks , Pat


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Enio,

The theory is that too much zinc creates a battery effect which eats the zinc. This theory was developed by someone other than me whom I respect when it comes to marine electrics. 

CW Bill Rouse
BeBe 387

1-832-454-9995when in USA
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On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:00, "rossienio@...[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill. You're right and I'm trying to see how to change the groung strap. But I find it difficult even to remove the float tube assembly from the bilge. The place on Santorin is tight and I still could not even see the state of the ground strap. I suppose, as said earlier, it's broken because the keel has galvanic corrosion. Is for that reason that i' m thinking about alternative solution easier. But what does : " over zinching"? too mach zinc can cause damage? Greetings and good wind.

Enio Rossi
S/Y Earendil
SN #122



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Transmission oil level

Patrick McAneny
 

Alan , Where would it leak out and would any harm be done to the transmission. The stick is so shiny and wet looking its hard to determine the true level. Thanks, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Oct 28, 2014 7:58 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Transmission oil level

 
If you overfill it, it leaks out....you will have an oil leak if you have any more than the full mark..
Cheers
Alan 
SV Elyse SM437


Re: Transmission oil level

Alan Leslie
 

If you overfill it, it leaks out....you will have an oil leak if you have any more than the full mark..
Cheers
Alan 
SV Elyse SM437


Rub Rail upgrade

Mike Ondra
 

 

We are considering adding a more durable wearing surface to the rub rail. There have been previous posting of applying a “Starboard” strip to the recess in the rub rail such that it protrudes a bit and takes the bulk of the abuse. I believe Starboard is HDPE (high density polyethylene). King Starboard seems to be a slightly different formulation for marine use. Starboard is apparently manufactured in ¼” and 3/8” thicknesses in 4’x8’ sheets and works easily with carpentry tools (can be cut into 1” strips on a table saw). For anyone who has done this how did you attach it to the rub rail (mechanical fasteners, bedding adhesive, both), and how has it held up over time? What other solutions have been successful to enhance the durability of the rub rail?

 

There is an even tougher material, Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMW PE) available from Interstate Plastics in Sacramento, CA that is intriguing. Its potential advantage is its availability in 1” wide coil allowing for a continuous single piece from stem to stern. My concern is the difference in Coefficient of Thermal Expansion between laid up fiberglass and the UHMW PE (it expands about twice the rate of fiberglass). Often this is addressed with oversize or slotted holes allowing the movement, not an installation detail that seems desirable for this use. It would seem preferable to fully adhere the strip to the rub rail, largely eliminating the need for mechanical fasteners. So the question is this, with a high strength bond to the fiberglass rub rail, what is the likelihood that the UHMW PE can internally absorb the stresses caused by differential expansion/contraction without buckling and breaking the bond? If we cannot be confident that this approach works, we would go with the 8’ pieces leaving the joints to allow for the expansion/contraction.

 

Mike Ondra

S/V Aletes SM#240

 

  

 


Generator Onan, not shutting off

Patrick McAneny
 

My Onan is not shutting down with the galley switch. Any suggestions as to what the problem may be. It appears that the fuel shut off is held open with 12v applied, so does the switch break the flow of power  to the solenoid ?  Thanks , Pat


Transmission oil level

Patrick McAneny
 

I changed my transmission oil a few weeks ago and checked it yesterday in preparation to depart Thursday for the Caribbean, It is very hard to determine how high the oil is on the stick exactly. It may be a little bit above the groove ,perhaps a 1/4 inch or so ,hard to tell. If the level is a little high , will that harm the transmission in any way?  Thanks, Pat SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

rossienio@...
 

Thanks Bill. You're right and I'm trying to see how to change the groung strap. But I find it difficult even to remove the float tube assembly from the bilge. The place on Santorin is tight and I still could not even see the state of the ground strap. I suppose, as said earlier, it's broken because the keel has galvanic corrosion. Is for that reason that i' m thinking about alternative solution easier. But what does : " over zinching"? too mach zinc can cause damage? Greetings and good wind.

Enio Rossi
S/Y Earendil
SN #122


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Enio,

There is no difficulty to change the ground strap.  If you look at the photos and instructions I placed in the Photo section, you will see how easy it is to replace the braided ground strap with a solid piece of copper. To find this search photos for "ground"

I did not have the photos and instructions and it took me less than 1 hour. If I had them, I could do it in half the time.

Drilling into the cast iron keel will cause numerous problems including the possibility of over-zincing. Breaking the epoxy with a drill to mount the zinc will cause the creeping oxidation of the cast iron outward from the hole, and it will never stop, continually creeping and enlarging.

I subscribe to the belief that in all things Henri Amel knew so much more than I will ever know. I always follow his decisions and stick with his design. I may change components with similar components, but I only do this when finding his components is impossible. Could he have been wrong? Certainly!  Will he prove to be more right than me? Yes, probably 99% of the time.

I pass my knowledge and feelings on to you so that you can make your own decisions,  and I hope that I have not offended anyone.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Oct 28, 2014 9:52 AM, "rossienio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I wonder, however, if, given the difficulty of the link in the keel, it is better to put two zinc bolted to the keel itself, leaving the ground strap. The controls would be simpler and can be replaced if worn.To your knowledge, are there any contraindication? Regards. Enio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

rossienio@...
 

Hi Jean-Pierre. I do not think that you connect the copper tape to the zincs. I think that the bonding of the boat remains as it is, and the keel is isolated and has its independent glavanic protection. The rest of the bonding can be left as it  did with amel connection stern-bow as done now.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

Alan Leslie
 

I considered this, I don't see any real problem with it...the keel is then isolated from the earthing system in the boat and has its own zinc...except that you now have two large zincs on the rudder not connected to the iron keel, and you could be "over-zinced".

The Captain did it with a ground strap and if you look at Bill SV Bebe's photos, it's not that bad a job.
I would rather , I think, stick with the original design...all things considered...that's what I'm going to do...

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM#437
Gulf Harbour, New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Enio,

How do you route the copper tape to these zincs?  Water tank would need piercing with all the risks this brings.

I will stick to Amel's solution for the time being...

Hopefully, someone will come up with a magic trick.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera


On 28 Oct 2014, at 08:52, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I wonder, however, if, given the difficulty of the link in the keel, it is better to put two zinc bolted to the keel itself, leaving the ground strap. The controls would be simpler and can be replaced if worn.To your knowledge, are there any contraindication? Regards. Enio


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin ground strap

rossienio@...
 

I wonder, however, if, given the difficulty of the link in the keel, it is better to put two zinc bolted to the keel itself, leaving the ground strap. The controls would be simpler and can be replaced if worn.To your knowledge, are there any contraindication? Regards. Enio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco toilet seat hinges

Craig Briggs
 

We found a plastic replacement made by Jabsco that (amazingly) was inexpensive and has a great design where there's a detent in hinge such that the seat and cover will firmly stay "up", even in a seaway. No more seat falling shut at an inopportune time, so to speak, or chafing on the stop on the wall behind. Sorry, but I don't have the model number or other reference.  It was about 20E at the chandlery in Marina di Ragusa last May. 

Craig Briggs
SN#68 Sangaris


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco toilet seat hinges

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

When ours broke, we almost fainted on the prize for new Jabsco seats. Realized that we could use seats to a normal toilet. No problems with the fitting at all and to a much more reasonable prize.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232

Skickat från min iPad

27 okt 2014 kl. 04:38 skrev "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Mark,

That is great, but Amazon to NZ, or Amazon to Kas, Turkey will be a challenge...but, I know that you know that.

It was difficult to find the "hole center" measurement, but I did find that it is 5.5" in an answer to one of the questions.

As usual, if the product has "marine" in the description, it is at least 5 times the price of the same product without marine in the description....in this case 12 times!

Thanks again, 

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Or you can buy a brand new one with  much better hinges for $11.84 at Amazon.  I have also seen these for sail in Malaysia. Full spec:

Bemis 500EC000 Molded Wood Round Toilet Seat With Easy Clean and Change Hinge, White

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Kas, Turkey


On 10/27/2014 9:47 AM, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Here is the link. Let me know if it does not work.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco toilet seat hinges

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

That is great, but Amazon to NZ, or Amazon to Kas, Turkey will be a challenge...but, I know that you know that.

It was difficult to find the "hole center" measurement, but I did find that it is 5.5" in an answer to one of the questions.

As usual, if the product has "marine" in the description, it is at least 5 times the price of the same product without marine in the description....in this case 12 times!

Thanks again, 

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Or you can buy a brand new one with  much better hinges for $11.84 at Amazon.  I have also seen these for sail in Malaysia. Full spec:

Bemis 500EC000 Molded Wood Round Toilet Seat With Easy Clean and Change Hinge, White

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Kas, Turkey


On 10/27/2014 9:47 AM, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Here is the link. Let me know if it does not work.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco toilet seat hinges

Mark Pitt
 

Or you can buy a brand new one with  much better hinges for $11.84 at Amazon.  I have also seen these for sail in Malaysia. Full spec:

Bemis 500EC000 Molded Wood Round Toilet Seat With Easy Clean and Change Hinge, White

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Kas, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jabsco toilet seat hinges

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