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Re: No response from Amel

stephen_lees@...
 

I called Emilie over 2 weeks ago after two emails without response.  She was very pleasant, speaks English very well and said they were researching my request for a new main furling transmission/gear box.  I had sent photos as well with my original email.  Emilie indicated that they would probably have a response by Friday.  I have heard nothing back including a polite followup email asking for an update.  Any more suggestions?


Re: Main Sail Roller Battens

Jose Venegas
 

Dave, that makes me feel better bacause I am not at all concerned about sail damage.  These battens, once the tip is flexed, become very easy to roll creating minimal friction between the sail and the mast slot.  Just see how flexible becomes a slanley measuring tape once you have beent it backwards.

Jose


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: No response from Amel

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Call them! Emelie speaks very good english.

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

26 nov 2014 kl. 03:36 skrev "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thanks,


I've sent another email today, if I don't get any response I'm going to 'phone them

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437


Jordan Series Drogue - I HAVE ONE FOR SALE

blowinahoudy <no_reply@...>
 

I purchased a new Jordan Series Drogue from Ace Sailmakers (East Lyme, CT) in 2009 prior to a circumnavigation with the World Arc.  This is for up to 45,000 lb loaded monohull.  Their price for nylon double braid and with two bridle legs and chafe gear was $2,266.  For New England Ropes Endura the price was $3,383 and I bought this one as it is lighter and takes up less space.  156 cones.  It has never been used (which is just fine with me).  It needs 20-25 lb weight for its end.  Will sell for $2,400.  Contact Joseph Metz, cell 772-539-2425, email josephrmetz@....  Located in Maine but can ship.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: No response from Amel

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks,

I've sent another email today, if I don't get any response I'm going to 'phone them

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue-video in a hurricane

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Interesting.  I assume if you have too few cones, the angle to the waves increases above 20 to 30 degrees. Am I correct?

BTW, we have a drogue exactly like yours. It has never been wet...yet.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Nov 26, 2014 3:34 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jean-Pierre,

I can’t really explain what it is like on a drogue but you do not slide down the back of a wave. Imagine a duck sitting on the water . The duck just goes

up and down the waves. The waves just run under the boat and you never have to worry about pitch poling or slamming backwards down a have. I hope you never have to experience it but it is quite interesting to watch the drogue in action and experience the smooth ride.

You will probably be sitting at about 20-30 degrees to the waves due to the windage on the boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue-video in a hurricane

 

 

Dear Eric,

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

I have Davits, solar panels and HF whip antenna installed on the stern… obviously, I will have to engineer a few “boat specific” changes to make it work well.  I will be on the boat in 3 weeks.

 

Your point is taken regarding the 147 cones … I will go for that.  I still dont want to go downhill astern on the back side of the wave… :-)  

 

Anecdote: A friend was a tank commander in the past and if they missed a downshift (before auto trans in tanks) when going uphill, then the tank would start moving backwards down the hill… they did not like that as the brakes were not man enough to stop the beast … he called it “Mexican overdrive” and said it was not fun!

 

Many thanks,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM007

 

 

On 25 Nov 2014, at 02:39, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Jean-Pierre,

I found that the best attachment points on the boat are the stern cleats.

I do not understand why you would want the bridles attached to the mid ship cleats. When you need to recover the drogue it is quite easy using a rolling hitch.

Have the sailmaker splice 2 large eyes in the end of the bridle to slip over the stern cleats.

You will need some heavy duty chay missed a shift fe gear for the stern chocks and where the bridle passes the backstays. You should also fabricate a block of wood with some bolts to cover the stern chocks when recovering the drogue as the chocks left alone will tear up the parachutes.

 

You will need at least 3 people to recover the drogue. One at the stern to guide the drogue, one on the winch , hand tailing and making sure the horn of the primary winch does not tear the cones, and a third person to press the winch button.

 

Recovering the drogue must be done slowly and stopping the winch frequently. If not the motor will over heat and the internal override will shut off the winch motor.

 

With respect to the number of cones I would go with at least 147 cones I have 156 cones on mine.

We were doing about 3 ½ knots in 65-100 knots of wind. I think with a lesser number of cones you would be going too fast.

This was in 50-60 foot seas.

As a PS this is not the first time we used the drogue.

 

See this video of a boat 150 miles closer to the coast than we were .

Almost at the end of the video you will see the helicopter just touch the top of a 45 foot wave. 7 boats were rescued in this hurricane with 1 fatality. Scroll down to see the video.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue

 

 

Hello Gang,

 

I am about to purchase this equipment.  Some customisation of the basic design is planned; I want the bridle attached at the mid ship cleats, then running aft for a turn on the aft cleats then into fairleads and astern to the drogue.

 

Has anyone done it this way before?  Anyone using the built in massive lift points?  All chafe points lined with heavy leather patches.

 

I will not go to the recommended full number of cones but use a drogue with 139 cones instead of the 147 cone unit. I would rather maintain more forward speed running down the face of a wave than stop at the crest and start a rearwards motion on the aft face.  Any comments on my reasoning?

 

Many thanks,

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera SM007

 

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: No response from Amel

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Hi
This summer my daughter in Law called them from UK. This got a response!
Best of luck
Chris Smither


On 26 Nov 2014, at 11:08, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi, Alan,
Yes, unfortunately I'm having trouble finding anything out about my Cdrive which they've had since July.  Usually no reply at all.  When I translate my email to French using an on line translator, I usually get a response but it's often not very informative.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: No response from Amel

karkauai
 

Hi, Alan,
Yes, unfortunately I'm having trouble finding anything out about my Cdrive which they've had since July.  Usually no reply at all.  When I translate my email to French using an on line translator, I usually get a response but it's often not very informative.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan MDKKDP Heat Exchanger

karkauai
 

Even when I'm not hooked up to shore power, there's a delay of about 10-12 seconds before the 220V shows up.  I was thinking about the motor running that long before the pump turned on, but really shouldn't be an issue.

I have one of those tools to remove the impeller.  My issue is the location of the impeller on the starboard side of the engine where I have to contort a bit just to reach it.  My back doesn't like that.

Speaking of impellers, I was helping Eric and Viki move their Omorphi Thea to a different marina for haul out.  She's a Santorin.  We were running a little late so I was motor sailing with 3/4 genoa and 3/4 mizzen in 20+ kt winds on the Chesapeake last week.  We were on a starbord tack hard on the wind.  A gust heeled us over a bit too far and we sucked enough air to burn up the raw water impeller on their Perkins.  In retrospect, I remember reading someone else's post a few years ago about the same thing happening.  Guess I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but got the impeller changed.  The wind lifted us and we sailed into Deltaville 20 min after sundown.

Happy Holidays to all!
Kent
SM243
Kristy



From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan MDKKDP Heat Exchanger

 
Kent,
The generator has a transfer switch that switches from shore power to generator power after 10 seconds. This is so you don’t electrocute an electrician working on the dock while running your genset.
 
Yanmar has a new impeller that is threaded on the inside. They have a tool which is a bolt inside a nut that threads onto the impeller and you just have to turn the bolt and it pulls out the impeller.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan MDKKDP Heat Exchanger
 
 
I didn't know that was possible, Alan. On Kristy, the generator doesn't start producing 220V AC until it had been running for about 10 sec.  I guess that's ok if you're not worried about the impeller burning up.  I'd like to hear more about this.
 Could the same concept be used on the Yanmar with a 24V DC pump?  The impeller on my Yanmar is much more difficult to get to.
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Fernandina Beach FL


On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:56 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Yup, mine is the same , #437, and it is connected to the grounding system
BUT it still corrodes....mine needs a really good cleanup and the endcaps replacing.
The Onan is not a very well designed unit from a number of points of view...that heat exchanger in my view is too small, and the raw water impeller pump is terrible...chews impellers at 200 hrs or less...I'm going to replace it with a March 220V A/C centrifugal pump...no impeller to change...ever.
Cheers
Alan 
SV Elyse SM#437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue-video in a hurricane

Eric Freedman
 

Dear Jean-Pierre,

I can’t really explain what it is like on a drogue but you do not slide down the back of a wave. Imagine a duck sitting on the water . The duck just goes

up and down the waves. The waves just run under the boat and you never have to worry about pitch poling or slamming backwards down a have. I hope you never have to experience it but it is quite interesting to watch the drogue in action and experience the smooth ride.

You will probably be sitting at about 20-30 degrees to the waves due to the windage on the boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue-video in a hurricane

 

 

Dear Eric,

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

I have Davits, solar panels and HF whip antenna installed on the stern… obviously, I will have to engineer a few “boat specific” changes to make it work well.  I will be on the boat in 3 weeks.

 

Your point is taken regarding the 147 cones … I will go for that.  I still dont want to go downhill astern on the back side of the wave… :-)  

 

Anecdote: A friend was a tank commander in the past and if they missed a downshift (before auto trans in tanks) when going uphill, then the tank would start moving backwards down the hill… they did not like that as the brakes were not man enough to stop the beast … he called it “Mexican overdrive” and said it was not fun!

 

Many thanks,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM007

 

 

On 25 Nov 2014, at 02:39, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Jean-Pierre,

I found that the best attachment points on the boat are the stern cleats.

I do not understand why you would want the bridles attached to the mid ship cleats. When you need to recover the drogue it is quite easy using a rolling hitch.

Have the sailmaker splice 2 large eyes in the end of the bridle to slip over the stern cleats.

You will need some heavy duty chay missed a shift fe gear for the stern chocks and where the bridle passes the backstays. You should also fabricate a block of wood with some bolts to cover the stern chocks when recovering the drogue as the chocks left alone will tear up the parachutes.

 

You will need at least 3 people to recover the drogue. One at the stern to guide the drogue, one on the winch , hand tailing and making sure the horn of the primary winch does not tear the cones, and a third person to press the winch button.

 

Recovering the drogue must be done slowly and stopping the winch frequently. If not the motor will over heat and the internal override will shut off the winch motor.

 

With respect to the number of cones I would go with at least 147 cones I have 156 cones on mine.

We were doing about 3 ½ knots in 65-100 knots of wind. I think with a lesser number of cones you would be going too fast.

This was in 50-60 foot seas.

As a PS this is not the first time we used the drogue.

 

See this video of a boat 150 miles closer to the coast than we were .

Almost at the end of the video you will see the helicopter just touch the top of a 45 foot wave. 7 boats were rescued in this hurricane with 1 fatality. Scroll down to see the video.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue

 

 

Hello Gang,

 

I am about to purchase this equipment.  Some customisation of the basic design is planned; I want the bridle attached at the mid ship cleats, then running aft for a turn on the aft cleats then into fairleads and astern to the drogue.

 

Has anyone done it this way before?  Anyone using the built in massive lift points?  All chafe points lined with heavy leather patches.

 

I will not go to the recommended full number of cones but use a drogue with 139 cones instead of the 147 cone unit. I would rather maintain more forward speed running down the face of a wave than stop at the crest and start a rearwards motion on the aft face.  Any comments on my reasoning?

 

Many thanks,

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera SM007

 

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...

 


No response from Amel

Alan Leslie
 

Is anyone having trouble with this ?

I got a quotation from Emilie on October 30, but some of the parts were not correct.

I went back to her for a revised quotation and have not heard anything since.

Despite sending emails to sav at amel.fr and amel at amel.fr - nothing, no response at all.


I may have to 'phone them.......


Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Vibration on Sharki

Fisher, Thomas W.
 

Thank you Greg!!!!!!!!!



I'll get back to you next week we ate booked in for halout Monday morning
I'll get back to to shortly after with details

Tom

On 2014-11-25, at 10:58 AM, "Gregory Shea gmshea@hotmail.com<mailto:gmshea@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Tom,
According to Gene Carter in Bellingham, Morse cutless Devil Fish is what he's used as a replacement. The Sharki shaft diam is 35 mm and the OD of the original cutless is 47.7 mm. I have been researching the Sharki cutless bearing issues for some time because mine needs to changed. It seems like they can be very difficult to extract but you don't know until you try. I would be very interested in your experience since I will be changing mine in the spring.
You can call me on 941 809 3143 if you need more info.
Hope this helps

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Isles
On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:35 AM, "'Fisher, Tom' fishert@kgh.kari.net<mailto:fishert@kgh.kari.net> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Problem ended up being cutlass bearing possible engine alignment issue
Does anyone out there happen to know the cutlass bearing size on a Sharki
The shaft is original
Don't have a caliper with us and hoping To save some time getting it ordered
Thanks
Tom Fisher
Sheila, Sharki#142
Vero beach Florida

Sent from my iPhone

On 2014-11-25, at 1:26 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com<mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com><mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Annsofie,

Perfect!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Nov 24, 2014 11:19 PM, "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@hotmail.com<mailto:kanalmamman@hotmail.com><mailto:kanalmamman@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Thanks! Glad if we can be to any help

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

24 nov 2014 kl. 10:24 skrev "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com<mailto:karkauai@yahoo.com><mailto:karkauai@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>:



AnnSophie,
Thank you so much for posting these swivel instructions. I think we have another "guru" to help us understand what we are getting into.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners


Hello Lady Annila,

many thanks for this hint. It is exactly what we need at this time.

Best regards
Armin
SY ASHIA, SM2k, #357

Am 24.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Vibration on Sharki

Gregory Shea
 

Tom,
According to Gene Carter in Bellingham, Morse cutless Devil Fish is what he's used as a replacement. The Sharki shaft diam is 35 mm and the OD of the original cutless is 47.7 mm. I have been researching the Sharki cutless bearing issues for some time because mine needs to changed. It seems like they can be very difficult to extract but you don't know until you try. I would be very interested in your experience since I will be changing mine in the spring.
You can call me on 941 809 3143 if you need more info.
Hope this helps

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Isles

On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:35 AM, "'Fisher, Tom' fishert@kgh.kari.net [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Problem ended up being cutlass bearing possible engine alignment issue
Does anyone out there happen to know the cutlass bearing size on a Sharki
The shaft is original
Don't have a caliper with us and hoping To save some time getting it ordered
Thanks
Tom Fisher
Sheila, Sharki#142
Vero beach Florida

Sent from my iPhone

On 2014-11-25, at 1:26 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com<mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Annsofie,

Perfect!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Nov 24, 2014 11:19 PM, "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@hotmail.com<mailto:kanalmamman@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Thanks! Glad if we can be to any help

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

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AnnSophie,
Thank you so much for posting these swivel instructions. I think we have another "guru" to help us understand what we are getting into.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners


Hello Lady Annila,

many thanks for this hint. It is exactly what we need at this time.

Best regards
Armin
SY ASHIA, SM2k, #357

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Vibration on Sharki

Fisher, Thomas W.
 

Problem ended up being cutlass bearing possible engine alignment issue
Does anyone out there happen to know the cutlass bearing size on a Sharki
The shaft is original
Don't have a caliper with us and hoping To save some time getting it ordered
Thanks
Tom Fisher
Sheila, Sharki#142
Vero beach Florida

On 2014-11-25, at 1:26 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com<mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Annsofie,

Perfect!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Nov 24, 2014 11:19 PM, "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@hotmail.com<mailto:kanalmamman@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Thanks! Glad if we can be to any help

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

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AnnSophie,
Thank you so much for posting these swivel instructions. I think we have another "guru" to help us understand what we are getting into.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

________________________________
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Hello Lady Annila,

many thanks for this hint. It is exactly what we need at this time.

Best regards
Armin
SY ASHIA, SM2k, #357

Am 24.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com<mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Thank you Jeffrey.  I will await Eric’s comments before finalizing my order.

JPG


On 24 Nov 2014, at 15:38, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

With all due respect, I fail to see the value of attaching the drogue to the mid ship cleats at all. If the turn on the stern cleat comes free, your drogue will put your vessel in an orientation that isn't quite stern to. The boat will be more at risk at an orientation that could become more side to as the vessel achieves equilibrium

with a new point of attachment of the drogue to your vessel.
If your concern is failure of the cleat, and subsequently, at least maintaining a secure connection to the drogue at the amidships cleat, you will again experience the same scenario if the stern cleat connection or the cleat itself fails.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm sure Eric from Kimberlite will chime in. He's used it under hurricane conditions, and his perspective would trump all other thoughts on deployment issues.
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
 
 
 
 
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:23 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 

Hello Gang,


I am about to purchase this equipment.  Some customisation of the basic design is planned; I want the bridle attached at the mid ship cleats, then running aft for a turn on the aft cleats then into fairleads and astern to the drogue.

Has anyone done it this way before?  Anyone using the built in massive lift points?  All chafe points lined with heavy leather patches.

I will not go to the recommended full number of cones but use a drogue with 139 cones instead of the 147 cone unit. I would rather maintain more forward speed running down the face of a wave than stop at the crest and start a rearwards motion on the aft face.  Any comments on my reasoning?

Many thanks,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue-video in a hurricane

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Dear Eric,

Thank you for your comments.

I have Davits, solar panels and HF whip antenna installed on the stern… obviously, I will have to engineer a few “boat specific” changes to make it work well.  I will be on the boat in 3 weeks.

Your point is taken regarding the 147 cones … I will go for that.  I still dont want to go downhill astern on the back side of the wave… :-)  

Anecdote: A friend was a tank commander in the past and if they missed a downshift (before auto trans in tanks) when going uphill, then the tank would start moving backwards down the hill… they did not like that as the brakes were not man enough to stop the beast … he called it “Mexican overdrive” and said it was not fun!

Many thanks,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 25 Nov 2014, at 02:39, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Jean-Pierre,
I found that the best attachment points on the boat are the stern cleats.
I do not understand why you would want the bridles attached to the mid ship cleats. When you need to recover the drogue it is quite easy using a rolling hitch.
Have the sailmaker splice 2 large eyes in the end of the bridle to slip over the stern cleats.
You will need some heavy duty chay missed a shift fe gear for the stern chocks and where the bridle passes the backstays. You should also fabricate a block of wood with some bolts to cover the stern chocks when recovering the drogue as the chocks left alone will tear up the parachutes.
 
You will need at least 3 people to recover the drogue. One at the stern to guide the drogue, one on the winch , hand tailing and making sure the horn of the primary winch does not tear the cones, and a third person to press the winch button.
 
Recovering the drogue must be done slowly and stopping the winch frequently. If not the motor will over heat and the internal override will shut off the winch motor.
 
With respect to the number of cones I would go with at least 147 cones I have 156 cones on mine.
We were doing about 3 ½ knots in 65-100 knots of wind. I think with a lesser number of cones you would be going too fast.
This was in 50-60 foot seas.
As a PS this is not the first time we used the drogue.
 
See this video of a boat 150 miles closer to the coast than we were .
Almost at the end of the video you will see the helicopter just touch the top of a 45 foot wave. 7 boats were rescued in this hurricane with 1 fatality. Scroll down to see the video.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue
 
 
Hello Gang,
 
I am about to purchase this equipment.  Some customisation of the basic design is planned; I want the bridle attached at the mid ship cleats, then running aft for a turn on the aft cleats then into fairleads and astern to the drogue.
 
Has anyone done it this way before?  Anyone using the built in massive lift points?  All chafe points lined with heavy leather patches.
 
I will not go to the recommended full number of cones but use a drogue with 139 cones instead of the 147 cone unit. I would rather maintain more forward speed running down the face of a wave than stop at the crest and start a rearwards motion on the aft face.  Any comments on my reasoning?
 
Many thanks,
 
 
Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007
 


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Annsofie,

Perfect!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Nov 24, 2014 11:19 PM, "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks! Glad if we can be to any help

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

24 nov 2014 kl. 10:24 skrev "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

AnnSophie,
Thank you so much for posting these swivel instructions.  I think we have another "guru" to help us understand what we are getting into.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


From: "'N4796P@...' n4796p@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 
Hello Lady Annila,

many thanks for this hint. It is exactly what we need at this time.

Best regards
Armin
SY ASHIA, SM2k, #357

Am 24.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb amelyachtowners@...:
 

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Re: Main Sail Roller Battens

Dave_Benjamin
 

I look forward to seeing what you come up in testing. I'm more concerned about the sail damage than the batten itself failing. You could certainly carry a spare set as well. Personally I'm a lot more comfortable with a set of beautiful epoxy battens with my friends at Robichaud. Those will last for a couple of circumnavigations. 


FW: Updates in Your Groups, November 24, 2014

Eric Freedman
 

I see that this grounding strap is attached to the end cap of the heat exchanger. Mine is connected to an area on the exchanger where the paint is removed and then to the pan of the generator.

 

Please note the diagram is noted ISOLATED GROUND. My generator is not connected to the yellow/green bonding wire.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: Yahoo Groups Updates [mailto:groupsupdates@...]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:12 AM
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Subject: Updates in Your Groups, November 24, 2014

 

Updates in Your Groups

svbebe added a photo to the Onan MDKVA folder

 

Onan Heat Exchanger Ground Strap.jpg


Jordan Sea Drogue-video in a hurricane

Eric Freedman
 

Dear Jean-Pierre,

I found that the best attachment points on the boat are the stern cleats.

I do not understand why you would want the bridles attached to the mid ship cleats. When you need to recover the drogue it is quite easy using a rolling hitch.

Have the sailmaker splice 2 large eyes in the end of the bridle to slip over the stern cleats.

You will need some heavy duty chafe gear for the stern chocks and where the bridle passes the backstays. You should also fabricate a block of wood with some bolts to cover the stern chocks when recovering the drogue as the chocks left alone will tear up the parachutes.

 

You will need at least 3 people to recover the drogue. One at the stern to guide the drogue, one on the winch , hand tailing and making sure the horn of the primary winch does not tear the cones, and a third person to press the winch button.

 

Recovering the drogue must be done slowly and stopping the winch frequently. If not the motor will over heat and the internal override will shut off the winch motor.

 

With respect to the number of cones I would go with at least 147 cones I have 156 cones on mine.

We were doing about 3 ½ knots in 65-100 knots of wind. I think with a lesser number of cones you would be going too fast.

This was in 50-60 foot seas.

As a PS this is not the first time we used the drogue.

 

See this video of a boat 150 miles closer to the coast than we were .

Almost at the end of the video you will see the helicopter just touch the top of a 45 foot wave. 7 boats were rescued in this hurricane with 1 fatality. Scroll down to see the video.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

http://lifefloatingby.blogspot.com/2008/10/coast-guard-rescues-2-mt-pleasant.html

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Sea Drogue

 

 

Hello Gang,

 

I am about to purchase this equipment.  Some customisation of the basic design is planned; I want the bridle attached at the mid ship cleats, then running aft for a turn on the aft cleats then into fairleads and astern to the drogue.

 

Has anyone done it this way before?  Anyone using the built in massive lift points?  All chafe points lined with heavy leather patches.

 

I will not go to the recommended full number of cones but use a drogue with 139 cones instead of the 147 cone unit. I would rather maintain more forward speed running down the face of a wave than stop at the crest and start a rearwards motion on the aft face.  Any comments on my reasoning?

 

Many thanks,

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera SM007