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Diruptor Circuit breakers

Terence Singh
 

Does anyone have a source in North America for the Disruptor circuit breakers as as installed by Amel?


Terry & Dena

SV Libby SM#196

San Diego...the count down is on...departing for Galapagos mid January


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Jib Furling Specs Summary:

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi Gary
I don't remember the exact amont of ball bearing for the swivel, but if you look in the document in the Files section it specified there. I would also recommend you to replace the GRP tube that also os mentioned in the document. 

The rivets has the size of 6,4 x19 mm 

Best regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232 from 1998.

Skickat från min iPad

27 dec 2014 kl. 14:34 skrev "amelliahona" <no_reply@...>:

 

Hello to all contributors to this forum:


I am headed to Antigua in a few days to install all new standing rigging on my Hulll #335 SM, built 2001.  I purchased the entire replacement rigging, right down to the clevis pins, from ACMO (Sylvie was extremely helpful) and it was air freighted from France to Antigua (3 days enroute, a week to clear customs and make its way to my boat).


I have been pursuing this forum for specifications on items I will need and thus far find the following:


Top Swivel Specifications: Torlon 10 mm ball bearings. (actual diameter on the Harken web site of 9.5 mm)  - Quantity:  26 balls per row, times two rows (total 52 balls) for the swivel at the head of jib sail foil.


Rivets for jib foil extrusion to furling motor swivel (the grooved cast swivel that engages the furling motor gearbox via a latching pin):  As I have searched this site I see that Joel Potter indicates that Amel used Monel (also known as stainless steel) rivets.  I could not find that anyone posted the size of these rivets (both diameter and length).  Quantity required:  8


NEED TO KNOW:  Diameter and Length of these Monel rivets


If there are other specifications related to this job please chime in and I will compile them into a document that can be placed in the files section.  This hopefully will save members having to endure the cumbersome search that I just went through. 


Best to all, 


Gary Silver

s/v Liahona


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Jib Furling Specs Summary:

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gary,

Did you get left hand or right hand thread turnbuckles?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Dec 27, 2014 12:34 PM, "amelliahona" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hello to all contributors to this forum:


I am headed to Antigua in a few days to install all new standing rigging on my Hulll #335 SM, built 2001.  I purchased the entire replacement rigging, right down to the clevis pins, from ACMO (Sylvie was extremely helpful) and it was air freighted from France to Antigua (3 days enroute, a week to clear customs and make its way to my boat).


I have been pursuing this forum for specifications on items I will need and thus far find the following:


Top Swivel Specifications: Torlon 10 mm ball bearings. (actual diameter on the Harken web site of 9.5 mm)  - Quantity:  26 balls per row, times two rows (total 52 balls) for the swivel at the head of jib sail foil.


Rivets for jib foil extrusion to furling motor swivel (the grooved cast swivel that engages the furling motor gearbox via a latching pin):  As I have searched this site I see that Joel Potter ind icates that Amel used Monel (also known as stainless steel) rivets.  I could not find that anyone posted the size of these rivets (both diameter and length).  Quantity required:  8


NEED TO KNOW:  Diameter and Length of these Monel rivets


If there are other specifications related to this job please chime in and I will compile them into a document that can be placed in the files section.  This hopefully will save members having to endure the cumbersome search that I just went through. 


Best to all, 


Gary Silver

s/v Liahona


Super Maramu Jib Furling Specs Summary:

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hello to all contributors to this forum:


I am headed to Antigua in a few days to install all new standing rigging on my Hulll #335 SM, built 2001.  I purchased the entire replacement rigging, right down to the clevis pins, from ACMO (Sylvie was extremely helpful) and it was air freighted from France to Antigua (3 days enroute, a week to clear customs and make its way to my boat).


I have been pursuing this forum for specifications on items I will need and thus far find the following:


Top Swivel Specifications: Torlon 10 mm ball bearings. (actual diameter on the Harken web site of 9.5 mm)  - Quantity:  26 balls per row, times two rows (total 52 balls) for the swivel at the head of jib sail foil.


Rivets for jib foil extrusion to furling motor swivel (the grooved cast swivel that engages the furling motor gearbox via a latching pin):  As I have searched this site I see that Joel Potter indicates that Amel used Monel (also known as stainless steel) rivets.  I could not find that anyone posted the size of these rivets (both diameter and length).  Quantity required:  8


NEED TO KNOW:  Diameter and Length of these Monel rivets


If there are other specifications related to this job please chime in and I will compile them into a document that can be placed in the files section.  This hopefully will save members having to endure the cumbersome search that I just went through. 


Best to all, 


Gary Silver

s/v Liahona


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks for the interesting article !

When you consider that automotive applications of gearboxes use oil exclusively, and use O-rings and lip seals to keep the oil in....like the C-drive......our boom gearboxes are no different....except that they are utilised far less and are exposed to salt water......but then so is the C-drive....and it's filled with oil...engine oil at that...not gear oil !

I think it's worth a go.....

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigger in Fort Lauderdale

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thank you so much Jose!

Our hull number are pretty closed, hope we meet one day!
Let me know if you come South!!!

Wishing you a Happy New Year!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repaid in Fort Lauderdale, USA


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On Fri, 12/26/14, jvenegas@alum.mit.edu [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigger in Fort Lauderdale
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 26, 2014, 2:18 PM


 









Alexander,  I
had Roger
Underwood (954 764 6001) check
my rigging.Altough they only did a rigg
tunning and did not have to change anything, I
can only say good things about their
professionalism.
Good luck
Jose 
Ipanema SM2K #278
Hibernating in
Boston









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigger in Fort Lauderdale

Jose Venegas
 

Alexander, 
 I had Roger Underwood (954 764 6001) check my rigging.

Altough they only did a rigg tunning and did not have to change anything, I can only say good things about their professionalism.


Good luck


Jose 


Ipanema 

SM2K #278


Hibernating in Boston


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild

Mike Ondra
 

The idea of oil for the gear box is appealing. Other gear boxes on the Amel
are oil (bow thruster, windlass, c-drive). On the other hand, it would seem
the furling and outhaul gear boxes come greased, not oiled, indicating the
manufacturer's preference. Googling the topic, this seems to be an ongoing
debate in the realm of machinery lubrication.



http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/923/grease-oil



Although varying from the original grease solution is somewhat
uncomfortable, our tendency is to try the oil approach after the rebuild.
Worst case scenario is a drip and then to redo the lubrication with grease.



This will rely upon the 3 lipseals and the very thin o-ring on the end cap
of the worm drive for containing the oil. The last step in the reassembly
process would be the worm drive endcap after filling the gear box with gear
oil at least half full so that all the moving parts are half submerged. Not
sure if thermal expansion of the oil would create pressure and push oil past
the seals, but perhaps this is minor and absorbed by the air cushion.



Thoughtful comments are appreciated. Should we execute this experiment, I
will later inform the forum of the results.



Merry Christmas and a joyous New Year to all.



Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:45 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild





I did this, but shortly after our outhaul gearbox died...not because of the
grease nipple I'm sure but because of age and lack of grease because of
leaking seals.

If you do do it, I would put the hole for the grease nipple on the low side
of the worm gear..ie port side, and the vent hole on the high starbd side,
at least then you'd be fairly sure that you had some grease in the gears.

There's no problem using a Zerck nipple just have a 5mm tapped hole and put
the nipple in when you need to use it and replace it with a nylon
bolt....same on the vent side.

An engineer of some experience said to me that grease is really the wrong
kind of lubricant for this application. It tends to get thrown off the gears
and ends up in the extremities of the gear case. You might be better off
taking off the top of the gearbox, filling it with SAE90 Hypoid gear oil and
putting the top back on. At least then you would be sure to have lubricant
between the gears at all times.



I just bought a new Leroy Somer box for my outhaul via a contact on this
forum and interestingly on the build plate it says "lubricated for life"
...but it doesn't say lubricated with what.



I think in the future I will open up the box every couple of years, clean
it, inspect it and fill it with oil !



Good luck !



Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigger in Fort Lauderdale

Mark Erdos
 

Will send PM.





With best regards,



Mark



Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff



www.creampuff.us



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigger in Fort Lauderdale





Good afternoon,

Does anyone has recommendation for rigger in Fort Lauderdale?
Likely will change forestay as it is 14 year old.

Thanks in advance.

Hope you have a Merry Christmas.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Fort Lauderdale, USA


Re: New in this groop

Alan Leslie
 

Welcome to the group....

There are a few 90s SM for sale here :

Boats for sale in Med France Est, France - www.yachtworld.com

 



Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New in this groop

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Welcome to the Group.

Wish I could help you with the 1995 Super Maramu…

Merry Christmas, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in repair at Fort Lauderdale, USA


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On Mon, 12/22/14, eljaroellinghoff@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New in this groop
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2014, 1:54 AM


 









Hello everyone,

I am new in this group and we are sailing an Amel Euros 39


Since ca. 10 years . Now we want to increase us un look for
a SM BJ around 1995 in the Mediterranean. Do you have
information if someone wants to sell a SM?



Reguards

Elja









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Rigger in Fort Lauderdale

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

Does anyone has recommendation for rigger in Fort Lauderdale?
Likely will change forestay as it is 14 year old.

Thanks in advance.

Hope you have a Merry Christmas.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Fort Lauderdale, USA


greetings from Arca di Noe'

Arca di Noè
 

Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année





Arca di Noe’ - Livorno Italia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Kent,

I've also thought about making some kind of cover for the gearbox to 
1. protect it from the saltwater
2. to prevent any leaks hitting the deck

I think regular attention to the seals is the answer, and I'm sure the saltwater doesn't do the seals any good.
Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild

karkauai
 

Now that makes a lot of sense to me, Alan.  I'll be interested to hear if yours drips hypoid oil all over the deck before it's time to service them again.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:44 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild

 
I did this, but shortly after our outhaul gearbox died...not because of the grease nipple I'm sure but because of age and lack of grease because of leaking seals.
If you do do it, I would put the hole for the grease nipple on the low side of the worm gear..ie port side, and the vent hole on the high starbd side, at least then you'd be fairly sure that you had some grease in the gears.
There's no problem using a Zerck nipple just have a 5mm tapped hole and put the nipple in when you need to use it and replace it with a nylon bolt....same on the vent side.
An engineer of some experience said to me that grease is really the wrong kind of lubricant for this application. It tends to get thrown off the gears and ends up in the extremities of the gear case. You might be better off taking off the top of the gearbox, filling it with SAE90 Hypoid gear oil and putting the top back on. At least then you would be sure to have lubricant between the gears at all times.

I just bought a new Leroy Somer box for my outhaul via a contact on this forum and interestingly on the build plate it says "lubricated for life" ...but it doesn't say lubricated with what.

I think in the future I will open up the box every couple of years, clean it, inspect it and fill it with oil !

Good luck !

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul gearbox rebuild

karkauai
 

I share your concerns, Mike.  And the amount of grease that it takes to fill the genoa fuler is huge.  About 5 years ago after owning Kristy for 2 years (she was 12 years old at that point), the outhaul gearbox started making an awful noise.  I am certain that it had never been serviced.  I had both main furler and outhaul removed and inspected.  They both had water in them and some of the gears were worn badly.  I purchased new gear boxes and motors and had the old ones refurbished for spares.  Since then I have removed them for inspection and cleaning every couple of years and have not found water in them.  I change the seals each time.  I know others have had a hard time taking them apart, but that hasn't been an issue for me so far.

A few months ago I took the genoa furler apart and found no water or evidence of wear.  It had also been serviced 5 years ago and was found free of water or wear after what I'm sure was 12 years without any care at all.

I am going to do as you suggest and take them apart every couple of years to clean, regrease, and reseal, rather than grease via tapping the gearboxes.  I could be convinced if others who have done this have taken theirs apart since modifying them and believe that it has prevented problems.  I do think that the seals are critical and should be replaced periodically to keep water out even if greased regularly.

I'm no engineer, but that's my take.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Steady as she goes and Merry Christmas to all!




From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul gearbox rebuild

 
I drilled and tapped each gearbox.  With a 5 mm tap. On one side the hole is low and the other side it is high. In these holes I use nylon bolts cut short.
I use the autoprop grease gun adapter to insert grease in the low hole and pump until I get clean crease coming out of the high hole. It takes 5 minutes.
I did not use a Zerk ( grease) fitting as I was concerned about corrosion.
 
 
It is amazing how much grease goes into the genoa furler.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul gearbox rebuild
 
 
I am in the process of completely rebuilding the outhaul gearbox on Aletes and am wondering about how well the addition of a grease nipple has worked out for those who have tried it. A couple of engineering concerns come to mind.
 
1)      Should the nipple be low or high in the fitting?
2)      The lip seals are very close fitting. Can air escape to the point that grease flows throughout the housing? Especially to the bearing at the end of the worm drive?
3)      If a relief hole and plug are put in to allow air to escape, does that easy path preclude grease getting to all the other areas of the housing?
4)      If water gets in past the top lip seal, how does applying more grease through fitting push that water out?
5)      Would it be better to not install a relief plug and to loosen the screws on the endplates to allow air/water out until the grease gets there?
 
All these questions make me wonder if it is not better to simply take the gear box apart every couple of years rather than chance under greasing and not getting the water out. Will the grease nipple provide a false sense of security that all is well inside the gearbox when in actuality it is not?
 
[Water may not be so much of an issue with good lip seals. I think it has been 2 or 3 years since I last had the unit apart to grease and there was no water at all inside. The first time I took it apart after buying the boat used, there was water in the gearbox.]
 
Bye the way, all the seals and bearings are available in the US from Motion Industries with several hundred outlets around the US. They also offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes although I did not price this out.
 
Mike Ondra
s/v Aletes SM#240
  
 



New in this groop

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

Hello everyone, I sailing since ca. 10 years an Amel Euro 39. Now we want to increase us un look for a SM BJ around 1995 in the Mediterranean. Do you have information if someone wants to sell a SM?

Regards Elja


New in this groop

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

Hello everyone,
I am new in this group and we are sailing an Amel Euros 39
Since ca. 10 years . Now we want to increase us un look for a SM BJ around 1995 in the Mediterranean. Do you have information if someone wants to sell a SM?

Reguards
Elja


Re: Outhaul gearbox rebuild

Alan Leslie
 

I did this, but shortly after our outhaul gearbox died...not because of the grease nipple I'm sure but because of age and lack of grease because of leaking seals.
If you do do it, I would put the hole for the grease nipple on the low side of the worm gear..ie port side, and the vent hole on the high starbd side, at least then you'd be fairly sure that you had some grease in the gears.
There's no problem using a Zerck nipple just have a 5mm tapped hole and put the nipple in when you need to use it and replace it with a nylon bolt....same on the vent side.
An engineer of some experience said to me that grease is really the wrong kind of lubricant for this application. It tends to get thrown off the gears and ends up in the extremities of the gear case. You might be better off taking off the top of the gearbox, filling it with SAE90 Hypoid gear oil and putting the top back on. At least then you would be sure to have lubricant between the gears at all times.

I just bought a new Leroy Somer box for my outhaul via a contact on this forum and interestingly on the build plate it says "lubricated for life" ...but it doesn't say lubricated with what.

I think in the future I will open up the box every couple of years, clean it, inspect it and fill it with oil !

Good luck !

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul gearbox rebuild

Eric Freedman
 

I drilled and tapped each gearbox.  With a 5 mm tap. On one side the hole is low and the other side it is high. In these holes I use nylon bolts cut short.

I use the autoprop grease gun adapter to insert grease in the low hole and pump until I get clean crease coming out of the high hole. It takes 5 minutes.

I did not use a Zerk ( grease) fitting as I was concerned about corrosion.

 

 

It is amazing how much grease goes into the genoa furler.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul gearbox rebuild

 

 

I am in the process of completely rebuilding the outhaul gearbox on Aletes and am wondering about how well the addition of a grease nipple has worked out for those who have tried it. A couple of engineering concerns come to mind.

 

1)      Should the nipple be low or high in the fitting?

2)      The lip seals are very close fitting. Can air escape to the point that grease flows throughout the housing? Especially to the bearing at the end of the worm drive?

3)      If a relief hole and plug are put in to allow air to escape, does that easy path preclude grease getting to all the other areas of the housing?

4)      If water gets in past the top lip seal, how does applying more grease through fitting push that water out?

5)      Would it be better to not install a relief plug and to loosen the screws on the endplates to allow air/water out until the grease gets there?

 

All these questions make me wonder if it is not better to simply take the gear box apart every couple of years rather than chance under greasing and not getting the water out. Will the grease nipple provide a false sense of security that all is well inside the gearbox when in actuality it is not?

 

[Water may not be so much of an issue with good lip seals. I think it has been 2 or 3 years since I last had the unit apart to grease and there was no water at all inside. The first time I took it apart after buying the boat used, there was water in the gearbox.]

 

Bye the way, all the seals and bearings are available in the US from Motion Industries with several hundred outlets around the US. They also offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes although I did not price this out.

 

Mike Ondra

s/v Aletes SM#240