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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] After Market Service

Ian Park
 

Hi 
We were at Amel, La Rochelle, in July. August - French national holidays around the corner. Amel were flat out preparing new boats for owner delivery/collection and preparing boats for Cannes Boat Show. Most employees were production/service side. The office staff are in comparison minimal. They probably have the employee balance right to compete in the high end competitive market Amel are in.  It just means that we don't have access to a large team of after sales support we might like.  
In our 18 month ownership of an Amel we have been to both Hyeres and La Rochelle and found the support to be first class within the capacity of the number of folk available. We a are en route shortly from Cape Verde and will be visiting Amel Guadaloupe. I am guessing we will find the same there. 
Yes, it can be frustrating during busy times,  but we can't say anything other than they bend over backwards to be helpful.
If, like most British boatbuilders, they vanished from the market, then I think we would all lose something.
So, I agree, keep supporting them.....

Ian & Linda SN 96 'Ocean Hobo'


On 1 Jan 2015, at 16:37, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In my limited 2 year experience of Amel SAV I have found it to be generally very good with around 6 interactions. However I did get a bit frustrated with my last interaction in July last year when I tried to get a replacement motor for the bow thruster linear actuator - I ended up googling the manufacturer and contacting them directly, when I had been sent the wrong part by Amel. I think around this time a number of others also had issues. This may have just been a temporary issue - I hope so as I think that a strong SAV will be beneficial to both Amel and Amel owners.

Andrew
SM472
Canet en Roussillon


On 1 Jan 2015, at 18:02, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sorry that I misquoted you, Bill.  Someone on this forum expressed some concern about Amel's financial state a few months back.  I assumed wrongly that's why you asked me to find out the source info for the drive.

There's also a recurring theme here about the frustration many have with slow or no response from SAV.  I have been waiting for six months since my drive arrived in Hyeres, mostly without any communication including response to my questions.  It would be nice if I could have or still could speak with the people who inspected the drive if Amel is not going to be responsive.

Perhaps I should write a letter to the Amel Administration telling them about my experience.  I would hesitate to tell them about the recurring theme of unresponsiveness expressed here for fear of misquoting or overstating something that didn't represent the views of the group as a whole. I do think that Amel's reputation as one of the best boatbuilders out there for aftermarket service has become somewhat tarnished over the last few years.

Again, Hapoy New Year to all.
Steady as she goes.
Kent


On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:08 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I would never, ever use those words about Amel. I have absolutely no reason to believe that we have anything to worry about, and I am certainly in no position to know, or have any information.

During last 20 years of my working life I managed turnarounds and crisis management for numerous companies, and I always think in worse-case scenarios. Check your email...what I wrote was, "If anything would ever happen to Amel, we would have a problem."

I believe in redundancy, much like Mr. Amel. I doubt that he would ever position himself without alternatives. At the same time it is important for Amel to keep some sources and suppliers confidential. As owners we are at cross-purposes with the builder because we desire the security of having more than one source for problem resolution. If, for instance, Amel would choose to change their quality and time of response to our after sale requests (SAV), and/or their resale pricing of those parts and services, it would be to our benefit to go direct to Amel's supplier. However, our move in going direct, would be detrimental to Amel's profit...and in many cases that profit is due to them because Amel performed the R&D.

So, all of that said, I am certainly satisfied with SAV and believe that we should support them, which supports Amel. If you look at my past posts I always suggest sourcing parts from Amel vs some other method, and I usually warn against "other methods." I happen to be one of the few owners that ordered a new bimini cover from Amel. I also have more spares on BeBe than most other owners because I believe in being prepared for any contingency.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jan 1, 2015 7:09 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht OwnersAfter Market Service

Alan Leslie
 

I too have had previously good experience when dealing with Amel SAV(Service apres Vente) when Maud was the contact.
However, since Emilie has been there, the communication has been very unsatisfactory.
I finally managed to get a response from Emilie when I started copying in amel@... with the whole email thread and asking "Why don't you answer me?"
I notice that Emiie signs herself as "Emilie BALLION in temporary replacement of Maud TOUILLET"
Temporary...so hopefully Maud will return.
Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht OwnersAfter Market Service

karkauai
 

It occurs to me that my issue and the others that have happened in the last year have been since Emilee has been answering inquiries.  I don't know if Maud was gone, or ill, or if Amel is adding Emilee to help Maud in the SAV department.  I'm sure that it will be quite a learning curve for anyone trying to get up to speed on such a complex program.

Guess I'll just exercise patience a while longer.
Kent


On Jan 1, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In my limited 2 year experience of Amel SAV I have found it to be generally very good with around 6 interactions. However I did get a bit frustrated with my last interaction in July last year when I tried to get a replacement motor for the bow thruster linear actuator - I ended up googling the manufacturer and contacting them directly, when I had been sent the wrong part by Amel. I think around this time a number of others also had issues. This may have just been a temporary issue - I hope so as I think that a strong SAV will be beneficial to both Amel and Amel owners.

Andrew
SM472
Canet en Roussillon


On 1 Jan 2015, at 18:02, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sorry that I misquoted you, Bill.  Someone on this forum expressed some concern about Amel's financial state a few months back.  I assumed wrongly that's why you asked me to find out the source info for the drive.

There's also a recurring theme here about the frustration many have with slow or no response from SAV.  I have been waiting for six months since my drive arrived in Hyeres, mostly without any communication including response to my questions.  It would be nice if I could have or still could speak with the people who inspected the drive if Amel is not going to be responsive.

Perhaps I should write a letter to the Amel Administration telling them about my experience.  I would hesitate to tell them about the recurring theme of unresponsiveness expressed here for fear of misquoting or overstating something that didn't represent the views of the group as a whole. I do think that Amel's reputation as one of the best boatbuilders out there for aftermarket service has become somewhat tarnished over the last few years.

Again, Hapoy New Year to all.
Steady as she goes.
Kent


On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:08 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I would never, ever use those words about Amel. I have absolutely no reason to believe that we have anything to worry about, and I am certainly in no position to know, or have any information.

During last 20 years of my working life I managed turnarounds and crisis management for numerous companies, and I always think in worse-case scenarios. Check your email...what I wrote was, "If anything would ever happen to Amel, we would have a problem."

I believe in redundancy, much like Mr. Amel. I doubt that he would ever position himself without alternatives. At the same time it is important for Amel to keep some sources and suppliers confidential. As owners we are at cross-purposes with the builder because we desire the security of having more than one source for problem resolution. If, for instance, Amel would choose to change their quality and time of response to our after sale requests (SAV), and/or their resale pricing of those parts and services, it would be to our benefit to go direct to Amel's supplier. However, our move in going direct, would be detrimental to Amel's profit...and in many cases that profit is due to them because Amel performed the R&D.

So, all of that said, I am certainly satisfied with SAV and believe that we should support them, which supports Amel. If you look at my past posts I always suggest sourcing parts from Amel vs some other method, and I usually warn against "other methods." I happen to be one of the few owners that ordered a new bimini cover from Amel. I also have more spares on BeBe than most other owners because I believe in being prepared for any contingency.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jan 1, 2015 7:09 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] After Market Service

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

In my limited 2 year experience of Amel SAV I have found it to be generally very good with around 6 interactions. However I did get a bit frustrated with my last interaction in July last year when I tried to get a replacement motor for the bow thruster linear actuator - I ended up googling the manufacturer and contacting them directly, when I had been sent the wrong part by Amel. I think around this time a number of others also had issues. This may have just been a temporary issue - I hope so as I think that a strong SAV will be beneficial to both Amel and Amel owners.

Andrew
SM472
Canet en Roussillon


On 1 Jan 2015, at 18:02, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sorry that I misquoted you, Bill.  Someone on this forum expressed some concern about Amel's financial state a few months back.  I assumed wrongly that's why you asked me to find out the source info for the drive.

There's also a recurring theme here about the frustration many have with slow or no response from SAV.  I have been waiting for six months since my drive arrived in Hyeres, mostly without any communication including response to my questions.  It would be nice if I could have or still could speak with the people who inspected the drive if Amel is not going to be responsive.

Perhaps I should write a letter to the Amel Administration telling them about my experience.  I would hesitate to tell them about the recurring theme of unresponsiveness expressed here for fear of misquoting or overstating something that didn't represent the views of the group as a whole. I do think that Amel's reputation as one of the best boatbuilders out there for aftermarket service has become somewhat tarnished over the last few years.

Again, Hapoy New Year to all.
Steady as she goes.
Kent


On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:08 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I would never, ever use those words about Amel. I have absolutely no reason to believe that we have anything to worry about, and I am certainly in no position to know, or have any information.

During last 20 years of my working life I managed turnarounds and crisis management for numerous companies, and I always think in worse-case scenarios. Check your email...what I wrote was, "If anything would ever happen to Amel, we would have a problem."

I believe in redundancy, much like Mr. Amel. I doubt that he would ever position himself without alternatives. At the same time it is important for Amel to keep some sources and suppliers confidential. As owners we are at cross-purposes with the builder because we desire the security of having more than one source for problem resolution. If, for instance, Amel would choose to change their quality and time of response to our after sale requests (SAV), and/or their resale pricing of those parts and services, it would be to our benefit to go direct to Amel's supplier. However, our move in going direct, would be detrimental to Amel's profit...and in many cases that profit is due to them because Amel performed the R&D.

So, all of that said, I am certainly satisfied with SAV and believe that we should support them, which supports Amel. If you look at my past posts I always suggest sourcing parts from Amel vs some other method, and I usually warn against "other methods." I happen to be one of the few owners that ordered a new bimini cover from Amel. I also have more spares on BeBe than most other owners because I believe in being prepared for any contingency.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jan 1, 2015 7:09 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy


After Market Service

karkauai
 

Sorry that I misquoted you, Bill.  Someone on this forum expressed some concern about Amel's financial state a few months back.  I assumed wrongly that's why you asked me to find out the source info for the drive.

There's also a recurring theme here about the frustration many have with slow or no response from SAV.  I have been waiting for six months since my drive arrived in Hyeres, mostly without any communication including response to my questions.  It would be nice if I could have or still could speak with the people who inspected the drive if Amel is not going to be responsive.

Perhaps I should write a letter to the Amel Administration telling them about my experience.  I would hesitate to tell them about the recurring theme of unresponsiveness expressed here for fear of misquoting or overstating something that didn't represent the views of the group as a whole. I do think that Amel's reputation as one of the best boatbuilders out there for aftermarket service has become somewhat tarnished over the last few years.

Again, Hapoy New Year to all.
Steady as she goes.
Kent


On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:08 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I would never, ever use those words about Amel. I have absolutely no reason to believe that we have anything to worry about, and I am certainly in no position to know, or have any information.

During last 20 years of my working life I managed turnarounds and crisis management for numerous companies, and I always think in worse-case scenarios. Check your email...what I wrote was, "If anything would ever happen to Amel, we would have a problem."

I believe in redundancy, much like Mr. Amel. I doubt that he would ever position himself without alternatives. At the same time it is important for Amel to keep some sources and suppliers confidential. As owners we are at cross-purposes with the builder because we desire the security of having more than one source for problem resolution. If, for instance, Amel would choose to change their quality and time of response to our after sale requests (SAV), and/or their resale pricing of those parts and services, it would be to our benefit to go direct to Amel's supplier. However, our move in going direct, would be detrimental to Amel's profit...and in many cases that profit is due to them because Amel performed the R&D.

So, all of that said, I am certainly satisfied with SAV and believe that we should support them, which supports Amel. If you look at my past posts I always suggest sourcing parts from Amel vs some other method, and I usually warn against "other methods." I happen to be one of the few owners that ordered a new bimini cover from Amel. I also have more spares on BeBe than most other owners because I believe in being prepared for any contingency.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jan 1, 2015 7:09 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Interesting, Trevor.  Thanks for educating us.  While I do understand and suspected this was the case, it would be nice if I/we could get answers to questions like mine.
I have no problem getting proprietary parts from Amel.  I do wish that they were a bit more responsive.
Thanks again to all of you who fill so much of that gap.

Happy New Year!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jan 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Kent,

                Happy new year. Something to always keep in mind when dealing with Amel is the very structure of the enterprise is like our boats, unique. Amel is a co-operative. That was the Captain's legacy to his employees.
The employees own the company and as such have a vested interest in ensuring that they keep as much knowledge as possible strictly within the company. It protects their profitability and their future. There are numerous small specialist companies around La Rochelle that would fail without the support of the factory.
In 2007 I spent three months on the Amel pontoon onboard Seafever. During that time I walked and cycled daily around La Rochelle meeting all sorts of tradesmen
and service companies.As a businessman I continually asked informed questions similar to yours. Everyone that I spoke with was very polite. Not one single company worked or provided information outside the Amel remit and the billing charges wether from the factory or the service company were similar.
There was an iron ring of loyalty from all concerned towards the factory. I think were we do gain is that  kind of intense loyalty does manifest itself in the quality of our boats.
Best regards,
Trevor
Seafever  of Cuan - still for sale
SM425
Mexico

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Peter Forbes
 

Bill,

I completely agree we should buy from Amel to keep them afloat.

I am checking init to Amel Med for lots of work in June in Hyères.

Best wishes in Ragusa.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
Gouvia Marina - CORFU, Greece

On 1 Jan 2015, at 16:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Kent,

I would never, ever use those words about Amel. I have absolutely no reason to believe that we have anything to worry about, and I am certainly in no position to know, or have any information.

During last 20 years of my working life I managed turnarounds and crisis management for numerous companies, and I always think in worse-case scenarios. Check your email...what I wrote was, "If anything would ever happen to Amel, we would have a problem." 

I believe in redundancy, much like Mr. Amel. I doubt that he would ever position himself without alternatives. At the same time it is important for Amel to keep some sources and suppliers confidential. As owners we are at cross-purposes with the builder because we desire the security of having more than one source for problem resolution. If, for instance, Amel would choose to change their quality and time of response to our after sale requests (SAV), and/or their resale pricing of those parts and services, it would be to our benefit to go direct to Amel's supplier. However, our move in going direct, would be detrimental to Amel's profit...and in many cases that profit is due to them because Amel performed the R&D. 

So, all of that said, I am certainly satisfied with SAV and believe that we should support them, which supports Amel. If you look at my past posts I always suggest sourcing parts from Amel vs some other method, and I usually warn against "other methods." I happen to be one of the few owners that ordered a new bimini cover from Amel. I also have more spares on BeBe than most other owners because I believe in being prepared for any contingency. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jan 1, 2015 7:09 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

I would never, ever use those words about Amel. I have absolutely no reason to believe that we have anything to worry about, and I am certainly in no position to know, or have any information.

During last 20 years of my working life I managed turnarounds and crisis management for numerous companies, and I always think in worse-case scenarios. Check your email...what I wrote was, "If anything would ever happen to Amel, we would have a problem."

I believe in redundancy, much like Mr. Amel. I doubt that he would ever position himself without alternatives. At the same time it is important for Amel to keep some sources and suppliers confidential. As owners we are at cross-purposes with the builder because we desire the security of having more than one source for problem resolution. If, for instance, Amel would choose to change their quality and time of response to our after sale requests (SAV), and/or their resale pricing of those parts and services, it would be to our benefit to go direct to Amel's supplier. However, our move in going direct, would be detrimental to Amel's profit...and in many cases that profit is due to them because Amel performed the R&D.

So, all of that said, I am certainly satisfied with SAV and believe that we should support them, which supports Amel. If you look at my past posts I always suggest sourcing parts from Amel vs some other method, and I usually warn against "other methods." I happen to be one of the few owners that ordered a new bimini cover from Amel. I also have more spares on BeBe than most other owners because I believe in being prepared for any contingency.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Jan 1, 2015 7:09 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Hose

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

I happy new year to all. 
Well you're checking those few lines you might also want to check all of the hose clamps especially those connected to the salt water intake.  Overtime they corrode and lose their power. Several owners have had flooding occurred in the engine room as a result of failing on the Amels and other  boats. 


Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jan 1, 2015, at 06:23, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When I returned to the boat after 6 months of hurricane storage in Antigua, I found a large oil stain on the ground opposite the bilge pump outlet, which I had left on in automatic mode.  Turns out that the diesel hose running from the dual Racor filters to the engine had ruptured (it looked like mush) and drained the main fuel tank into the bilge.  


The previous owner had installed an aluminum auxilliary tank in the life raft locker and I had left that tank isolated by closed valves - so the 240 liters in that tank did not drain.  Lessons learned: 1. examine the state of all fuel lines and replace before they rupture and 2. turn off the valve to the main tank (and the return line) before leaving the boat for along time.


Hope you all have fair winds and smooth sailing in 2015!


Derick Gates

Back aboard Brava SM2K #400

Leaving Antigua for St. Maarten, the BVI and eventually St Thomas



Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Dear Kent,
                Happy new year. Something to always keep in mind when dealing with Amel is the very structure of the enterprise is like our boats, unique. Amel is a co-operative. That was the Captain's legacy to his employees.
The employees own the company and as such have a vested interest in ensuring that they keep as much knowledge as possible strictly within the company. It protects their profitability and their future. There are numerous small specialist companies around La Rochelle that would fail without the support of the factory.
In 2007 I spent three months on the Amel pontoon onboard Seafever. During that time I walked and cycled daily around La Rochelle meeting all sorts of tradesmen
and service companies.As a businessman I continually asked informed questions similar to yours. Everyone that I spoke with was very polite. Not one single company worked or provided information outside the Amel remit and the billing charges wether from the factory or the service company were similar.
There was an iron ring of loyalty from all concerned towards the factory. I think were we do gain is that  kind of intense loyalty does manifest itself in the quality of our boats.
Best regards,
Trevor
Seafever  of Cuan - still for sale
SM425
Mexico

 


Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Bill asked if I would get the name of the company that built the C Drive for Amel...in case at some point Amel was no longer in business.  I asked Maud for the name of the company and contact information so I could contact them directly to ask what they thought caused the damage to my prop shaft and what the problem was that made the drive unrepairable.

She politely told me that "It is not possible to contact the company that worked on your old C-drive directly but as previously explained the play in the bearing support was too important."

Soooo, it sounds like they don't want us to be dealing directly with the machine shop that builds the Cdrive.
I'm sure that if Amel went out of business, Joel or Olivier would help us contact them.

I would like to know in more detail about the problem with the "bearing support", and if that was in any way related to the electrolytic damage (ie was there damage to the bearing as well?)

Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Hose

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

HNY… though your start is ominous.

IIWM… I would change the innards of the bilge pump; its doubtful diesel fuel did it any good.

See what others say…

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007



On 1 Jan 2015, at 13:23, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When I returned to the boat after 6 months of hurricane storage in Antigua, I found a large oil stain on the ground opposite the bilge pump outlet, which I had left on in automatic mode.  Turns out that the diesel hose running from the dual Racor filters to the engine had ruptured (it looked like mush) and drained the main fuel tank into the bilge.  


The previous owner had installed an aluminum auxilliary tank in the life raft locker and I had left that tank isolated by closed valves - so the 240 liters in that tank did not drain.  Lessons learned: 1. examine the state of all fuel lines and replace before they rupture and 2. turn off the valve to the main tank (and the return line) before leaving the boat for along time.


Hope you all have fair winds and smooth sailing in 2015!


Derick Gates

Back aboard Brava SM2K #400

Leaving Antigua for St. Maarten, the BVI and eventually St Thomas




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Diesel Hose

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

When I returned to the boat after 6 months of hurricane storage in Antigua, I found a large oil stain on the ground opposite the bilge pump outlet, which I had left on in automatic mode.  Turns out that the diesel hose running from the dual Racor filters to the engine had ruptured (it looked like mush) and drained the main fuel tank into the bilge.  


The previous owner had installed an aluminum auxilliary tank in the life raft locker and I had left that tank isolated by closed valves - so the 240 liters in that tank did not drain.  Lessons learned: 1. examine the state of all fuel lines and replace before they rupture and 2. turn off the valve to the main tank (and the return line) before leaving the boat for along time.


Hope you all have fair winds and smooth sailing in 2015!


Derick Gates

Back aboard Brava SM2K #400

Leaving Antigua for St. Maarten, the BVI and eventually St Thomas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Richard, that is right and what I did, however even with a nut at only one end the same applies. There is a clearance issue on the motor side but can be overcome with care.
Regards
Danny
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On Thu, 1/1/15, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Thursday, 1 January, 2015, 7:32 AM


 









Hi all first Happy New
Years!You might want to use nylock nuts on those
studs being sure you have at least 2 threads showing out
side the nut to be very sure you have full engagement. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To
All
Capt
Richard RP Yacht
BrokerageNewport
RI We list sell and service fine
yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767
5330
On Dec 31,
2014, at 14:16, Paul LaFrance pflafrance@hotmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 








Danny
While I agree it
would be easier, I believe they are put in this way as they
do not come out. Keeping an eye on them by keeping them
tight is an option.
All the best in the New
Year year. Love Yvonne's facebook pics.
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV
NOMAD #362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:08:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling
bolts
















 









Hi all, replacing the coupler bolts can be done
without removing the vetus coupler from the shaft. Hacksaw
the head off the old bolt and use a replacement threaded at
both ends. Whole lot simpler than fighting to remove the
coupler.

Happy new year to you all

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

At Home Mangonui NZ

--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 31/12/14, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Received: Wednesday, 31 December, 2014, 4:43 AM





 



















Trevor,

Yes please to me too -

ppsforbes”at”gmail.com

Thank you.



Peter Forbes0044 7836 209730ppsforbes@gmail.comCarango
 Sailing KetchAmel 54 #035Gouvia Marina - CORFU,

Greece





On 30 Dec 2014, at 14:43, seafeverofcuan@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

Dave,         I have a PDF file

sent to me by Amel showing a series of photographs of how
to

replace that damper on a 54.Time allocated 10

hours!If you would

like to have it send me your email trevor lusty at
hotmail

dot comT.























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Dave
The Coupling is a Vetus 35MM unit but with an Amel twist. What's new!!!!. The Vetus replacement is 10MM too long and is a screw on tightener.  The Amel one uses the key to secure the item and is one solid piece.
Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:27:07 -0800
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

 
Also, is the Amel Vetus coupler a flexible coupling?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all first Happy New Years!
You might want to use nylock nuts on those studs being sure you have at least 2 threads showing out side the nut to be very sure you have full engagement. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Dec 31, 2014, at 14:16, Paul LaFrance pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny
While I agree it would be easier, I believe they are put in this way as they do not come out. Keeping an eye on them by keeping them tight is an option.
All the best in the New Year year. Love Yvonne's facebook pics.
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:08:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

 
Hi all, replacing the coupler bolts can be done without removing the vetus coupler from the shaft. Hacksaw the head off the old bolt and use a replacement threaded at both ends. Whole lot simpler than fighting to remove the coupler.
Happy new year to you all
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
At Home Mangonui NZ
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 31/12/14, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts
To: amelyachtowners@...
Received: Wednesday, 31 December, 2014, 4:43 AM


 









Trevor,
Yes please to me too -
ppsforbes”at”gmail.com
Thank you.

Peter Forbes0044 7836 209730ppsforbes@...  Sailing KetchAmel 54 #035Gouvia Marina - CORFU,
Greece


On 30 Dec 2014, at 14:43, seafeverofcuan@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Dave,         I have a PDF file
sent to me by Amel showing a series of photographs of how to
replace that damper on a 54.Time allocated 10
hours!If you would
like to have it send me your email trevor lusty at hotmail
dot comT.











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

karkauai
 

Hi Alexandre,
I replaced mine a few years ago with a Jabsco pump.  It pumps a little more water, is a little louder, and has worked flawlessly.  I had to build a small shelf to locate it where the old one was.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA was out of business…

Can anyone confirm that?

Also, does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump replacement?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In Fort Lauderdale for repair.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Alex we used a high capacity Whale diagram 24v pump. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Dec 31, 2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA was out of business…

Can anyone confirm that?

Also, does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump replacement?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In Fort Lauderdale for repair.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Danny
While I agree it would be easier, I believe they are put in this way as they do not come out. Keeping an eye on them by keeping them tight is an option.
All the best in the New Year year. Love Yvonne's facebook pics.
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:08:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts

 
Hi all, replacing the coupler bolts can be done without removing the vetus coupler from the shaft. Hacksaw the head off the old bolt and use a replacement threaded at both ends. Whole lot simpler than fighting to remove the coupler.
Happy new year to you all
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
At Home Mangonui NZ
--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 31/12/14, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: coupling bolts
To: amelyachtowners@...
Received: Wednesday, 31 December, 2014, 4:43 AM


 









Trevor,
Yes please to me too -
ppsforbes”at”gmail.com
Thank you.

Peter Forbes0044 7836 209730ppsforbes@...  Sailing KetchAmel 54 #035Gouvia Marina - CORFU,
Greece


On 30 Dec 2014, at 14:43, seafeverofcuan@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:
Dave,         I have a PDF file
sent to me by Amel showing a series of photographs of how to
replace that damper on a 54.Time allocated 10
hours!If you would
like to have it send me your email trevor lusty at hotmail
dot comT.











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coupling bolts

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, to move the engine needs no lifting. Simply undo the four bolts attaching the engine to the angle iron engine bed, undo the nuts on the coupler and the engine easily slides back. I used a piece of 2 x 3 (75 x 50mm) timber as a lever.
Cheers
Danny SM 299 Ocean pearl
--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 31/12/14, Paul LaFrance pflafrance@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] coupling bolts
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Wednesday, 31 December, 2014, 2:12 AM


 











Dave
The engine has to be
moved back from the transmission. Undo engine mounts and
hoist with mizzen halyard . The cockpit cover lifters will
have to be removed to allow the cover to open all the way.
The flex coupling then can be removed. It is held in place
by a shaft key. This may take some effort as it may be
frozen on the shaft. Penetrating oil and a steel wedge will
help loosen the flex coupling. Once off then a new bolt can
be used. I believe the bolts are hardened steel (Black).
Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV
NOMAD#362
Currently in the BVI

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue,
30 Dec 2014 06:02:47 -0800
Subject: [Amel
Yacht Owners] coupling bolts
















 










I have a 1998 Amel 53
Supermaramu and discovered that one of the 4 coupling bolts
that attach the engine outdrive to the transmission has
broken off.  I believe this was probably caused by
engine/transmission malalignment, but not sure.  Meantime,
I tried to see if there was an easy way to install a new
bolt, but do not see a way to do so.  Any assistance would
be appreciated.

























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