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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alejandro Paquin

#19353

Hello to all we, installed a Jabsco 5 GPM Bilge pump model 50890-1000 available too in 24v, together with a a UPS-03 and UPS-01 switches from Ultra Safety Systems (TEFGEL.com) in the US.

Very robust systems. So far so good.

Alex Paquin

"SIMPATICO"

Maramu #94 1981

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] flexible rubber coupling

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#19352

Curiously, Vetus charge GBP 13.96 VAT incl…..

I am the first to want to support Amel but surely, we are being taken for a ride….

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM007

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On 5 Jan 2015, at 16:28, agennai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The amel caribe told me
Dear Sir,

Thank you for advising.
We have one flexible coupling in stock now. It is for a 35 diam shaft the reference is KO540
It costs 397.30€ + shipping and handling.
If you need an express shipping we would need a complete shipping address with a contact name and a telephone number for delivery (FEDEX).
We would also need your Visa or MasterCard reference for payment before shipping.
Please advise.

Regards,

Caroline
Amel Caraibes

and the amel atlantic told me
Hello,
The flex coupling is modified by Amel.
We have well received your request and let you know if part is available.
Regards,
Emilie BALLION / AMEL Yard
sav@... / 05.46.55.17.31

then I assume that the part that I need is a vetus KO540 and it has been modified by AMEL
When I will receive the part and I will mount it I update you!
thanks for your help
alessandro
GRAND CRU #443
Puerto Rico

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Re: replacing rubber bushes in vetus unit on the engine out put shaft

drdavegoodman

#19351

Hi Danny

I have a broken Vetus coupling bolt that I need to replace. Figure I will replace all the bolts. I can see how the nuts of the bolts can come off easily, they being on the engine transmission side. However, the heads of the bolts are on the C drive side, and there is not enough clearance to get the bolts out. Another post suggested hacksawing off the heads of the bolts. Wondering what you think about that?

Thanks

Dave

SM#230

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] flexible rubber coupling

agennai@...

#19350

The amel caribe told me

Dear Sir,

Thank you for advising.

We have one flexible coupling in stock now. It is for a 35 diam shaft the reference is KO540

It costs 397.30€ + shipping and handling.

If you need an express shipping we would need a complete shipping address with a contact name and a telephone number for delivery (FEDEX).

We would also need your Visa or MasterCard reference for payment before shipping.

Please advise.

Regards,

Caroline

Amel Caraibes

and the amel atlantic told me

Hello,

The flex coupling is modified by Amel.

We have well received your request and let you know if part is available.

Regards,

Emilie BALLION / AMEL Yard

sav@... / 05.46.55.17.31

then I assume that the part that I need is a vetus KO540 and it has been modified by AMEL

When I will receive the part and I will mount it I update you!

thanks for your help

alessandro

GRAND CRU #443

Puerto Rico

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] flexible rubber coupling

seafeverofcuan@...

#19349

Alessandro,

It is a Vetus Type 6 part no KO18.

Regards,

Trevor Lusty

Seafever of Cuan

SM425----- FOR SALE

Mexico

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] iner forestay

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19348

Good morning Eric,

Here are the pictures I have:
http://nikimat.com/staysail.html

But, as it is currently, it doesn't work well.
There is a need for a track.
I will have a rigger giving me a quote for one in the next 2 weeks.

Have a great day!  Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Sun, 1/4/15, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] iner forestay
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 11:11 PM


  








   
       Dear Alexandre- I
 misplaced the photos of your inner forestay
 setup.Would you be so kind as
 to send them to me again-the more the
 merrier.Kimberlite@...
 WindsEricKimberlite SM
 376
  

  







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Vetus hose reducer

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>

#19347

Eric here is the reducer.

www.vetus-shop.com › ... › Hose Adapters

Low prices from Vetus-Shop.Com on Vetus Hose Adapter - Stepped 13 - 38mm by Vetus (part no. HA1338)
Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330

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On Jan 5, 2015, at 00:01, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Richard,
Where did you find the hose adapter?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Hi Eric, the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper Pump BP4574. 24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the bulkhead. We need a hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used the Amel switch and it worked very well for years.
All the best for the new year.
Richard Piller

From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Richard,
What model pump is this?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alex we used a high capacity Whale diagram 24v pump.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Dec 31, 2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA was out of business…

Can anyone confirm that?

Also, does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump replacement?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In Fort Lauderdale for repair.

Inner Forestay?

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19346

Dear Alexandre- I misplaced the photos of your inner forestay setup.

Would you be so kind as to send them to me again-the more the merrier.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

pump recommendation - AMFA out of

business? Alex we used a high capacity

Whale diagram 24v pump.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt

Richard RP Yacht

BrokerageNewport

RI We

list sell and service fine yachts including

Amel'sCell 603 767

5330

On Dec 31,

2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote: Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so

went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me

AMFA

was out of business…

Can

anyone confirm that?

Also,

does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump

replacement?

Thanks in

advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

In Fort

Lauderdale for repair.

v9634858275 #yiv963485827

iner forestay

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19345

Dear Alexandre- I misplaced the photos of your inner forestay setup.

Would you be so kind as to send them to me again-the more the merrier.

Kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19344

Richard,

Where did you find the hose adapter?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Hi Eric, the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper Pump BP4574. 24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the bulkhead. We need a hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used the Amel switch and it worked very well for years.

All the best for the new year.

Richard Piller

From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Richard,

What model pump is this?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alex we used a high capacity Whale diagram 24v pump.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330

On Dec 31, 2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA was out of business…

Can anyone confirm that?

Also, does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump replacement?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In Fort Lauderdale for repair.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19343

Good evening JLuc,

Thanks for the link, I was able to find the kit for the Marina ZZ, but not for the 66B…  getting concerned they discontinued it…

Any suggestion or other source?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 1/4/15, 'jlm@...' jlm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 3:26 PM

     Normaly you find it at REYA :

     http://www.reya.com/shop.php

     Le 04/01/2015
 14:07, Alexandre Uster
       von Baar uster@...
 [amelyachtowners] a écrit :

             Good morning JLuc,
 
               Do you know where I could obtain the repair
 kits for my
               AMFA/REYA Marina ZZ Bilge pump and AMFA 66B
 ?

               I wouldn't mind having a spare fresh water
 pump (AMFA) as
               this is something I use all the time…

               Hope you have a great year 2015.

               :

               Sincerely, Alexandre

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               On Sun, 1/4/15, 'jlm@...'
 jlm@...
               [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
               wrote:

               Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump
 recommendation
               - AMFA out of business?

               To: amelyachtowners@...

               Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 1:46 AM

               No,

               It is not correct,

               AMFA re-dessign the pump and the new dessign
 integrate a

               new gear.

               Parts are not the same between old and new
 !

               JLuc on CottonBay

               Le 31/12/2014

               20:30, Kent Robertson

               karkauai@...

               [amelyachtowners] a écrit :

               Hi Alexandre,

               I replaced mine a few years ago with a

               Jabsco pump.  It

               pumps a little more water, is a little
 louder,

               and has

               worked flawlessly.  I had to build a small

               shelf to locate

               it where the old one was.

               Kent

               SM 243

               Kristy
               On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Alexandre
 Uster

               von Baar uster@...

               [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

               wrote:

               Good morning,

               Had a bilge pump failure… so went to a

               store to ask

               for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA was

               out of

               business…

               Can anyone confirm that?

               Also, does anyone has recommendation as a

               quality

               bilge pump replacement?

               Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

               SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

               In Fort Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

jlm@jlmertz.fr

#19342

Normaly you find it at REYA :
http://www.reya.com/shop.php

Show quoted text

Le 04/01/2015 14:07, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :

Good morning JLuc,

Do you know where I could obtain the repair kits for my AMFA/REYA Marina ZZ Bilge pump and AMFA 66B ?

I wouldn't mind having a spare fresh water pump (AMFA) as this is something I use all the time…

Hope you have a great year 2015.
:
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 1/4/15, 'jlm@...' jlm@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 1:46 AM

No,

It is not correct,

AMFA re-dessign the pump and the new dessign integrate a
new gear.

Parts are not the same between old and new !

JLuc on CottonBay

Le 31/12/2014
20:30, Kent Robertson
karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] a écrit :

Hi Alexandre,
I replaced mine a few years ago with a
Jabsco pump. It
pumps a little more water, is a little louder,
and has
worked flawlessly. I had to build a small
shelf to locate
it where the old one was.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so went to a
store to ask
for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA was
out of
business…

Can anyone confirm that?

Also, does anyone has recommendation as a
quality
bilge pump replacement?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

In Fort Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19341

Good afternoon Bill,

First of all, I could not imagine a reason why we wouldn't be friend.  I am very happy we meet, and you are such great contributor to the forum and I always highly value your experience and opinion!
I have a problem which I don't know how to solve and honestly I want to hear the truth either "go after the people with a lawyer" or "the reality is that you are (forgive my french) screwed"…
If it seems to be the second option so I need to accept it and move on as I already wasted so many hours and money on that.

Here are the fact as they "objectly" happened.

I arrived late June at Bay Street Marina in Nassau.
Second day I was there, a single handed lady with transmission problem lost control due to the 2 kt current and touch the side of NIKIMAT.  Marina employees and myself pushed her and she went, no one had damage.
2 Days later, my other neighbor also lost misjudge the current and hit my anchor, I was not there but the marina employees pushed him, again there was no damage.
Then that guy, he was normally dock on the other side, wanted to have pictures of Atlantis on the background so came on my side of the pier, lost control, hit my boat, but instead to have people pushing him, he put fill reverse, and did the damages which I posted on: http://nikimat.com/accident.html
Thankfully it was the marina employees that were taking pictures, so they witness everything…

He apologized, said he would pay for everything, not to worry, etc.
I MADE THE MISTAKE to tell him this was the "3rd time" in a month I was hit a by boat…

Since I have never had a boating accident, I emailed my insurance DeLasse and ask for advice, saying that likely the other person was going to pay himself for the damages.
Geoffroy DeLassee sent me a claim form for him to fill out, in the case we would not solve amicably the situation.
And apparently they contacted his insurance…
The next day, he was gone…  (which I thought was against maritime law) the marina told me not to worry, etc. (they always say that in the Bahamas until something happened to them).

Then an insurance expert came , I bought it was from my insurance.  But nom was to defend him..  He was surprised the other boat was gone and said I can't look at your boat until I look first at his client boat.
He came back and came back again (other boat sill not back), then finally asset my damage.

The guy was disgusting, most damage was either not worth repairing or would say: "yes it is bent but still works".  Sure, the hole boat still works as it is…

Then a week later when he came back, he said that "since I involved my insurance he didn't want to have anything to do with it" and walked away…

I told DeLAssee he didn't want to sign the claim form and ask what to do.
DeLAsse told me to get an estimate.
There is only 1 stainless steel compagnie in Nassau, a guy came, said there was too much damage for him to give a quote, that his boss had to come.
Then 10 days later his boss finally came, said he would give an estimate before going on vacation, which is did not, so 3 weeks later finally gives an estimate which includes only half the repairs…
Then of course he refuse to remove the bow pulpit, etc. So I have to ask another company (same thing about the delay to come) and they don't want to remove the bow pulpit as they don't want to be responsible, and so on….

Regarding the electrical, DeLassee said "the work I do myself" won't be reimbursed… (and as you know I have my 2 businesses to manage) so I am asking an electric guy to come and give an estimate. 
He said he will give tomorrow. 2 Days later, still nothing, take my bicycle to see him, he is sitting on his chair smoking a joint, big smile and said: "ho yes was thinking about you, not been very busy, haven't had the time, but give you one tomorrow".
Day after still nothing, so 2 more days goes with the bicycle… same story… guy smoking his joint on his chair, no time to write down, this lasted 2 weeks until said #&$%@^ I waste probably more of my time going to see him with my bicycle than repairing myself, so did it.

6 weeks have gone by… I still don't have an expert from DeLAsse insurance to help me…  I called very unhappy, so they give me someone!  "On the phone"!
So Pantaenius insurance sent a guy in  6 days for the other guy, but me I have to wait 6 weeks to have someone "on the phone"!  Splendid!!!
They give me the option to continue my trip to Martinique and have repair done there or go to Florida. I said ok I continue.

Then just when I am about to go to the Exumas: DeLassee receive a message from the other insurance (Pantaenius) that they only accept 50% responsibility…  Because my boat has been hit at least 2 other times and is too long, etc.
So obviously "I" am the problem.  DeLassee ask me what I want to reply?  Hell NO, what is that type of question?  The slip size has NOTHING to do with insurance.  They should know that, this is a common excuse not-valid that people say, just in case the insured is stupid enough not to know the law.
So I had written testimonial from all the marina employees.

Then in October comes the renewal of my insurance, it is up by 15% I call DeLassee and ask for explanations, and said this is disgusting as "no repair" have been done to my vessel!

Mid Movember I arrive in Fort Lauderdale, ask http://jpdowns.com for a quote including all the repair (fiberglass, electrical, unlike what I have been given before).
Total is something like $16.000  I forward it to my expert and insurance and what they say: "it is too high" !?!
I don't know the prices, but sn't it the job of the "other insurance" to say it is too high??  I don't get it…  
I wrote that they need to talk directly to each other.

My insurer DeLassee doesn't do anything.  They are not "negotiating" on my behalf…  I have to contest everything.
Either DeLassee are absolutely stupid or crook themselves working with the other insurance.

At the end, I know what will happened: I will get tired, conclude that I have already spent more hours, money and time than it is worth. My premium will still be up 15% and I would have been screwed (for a lack of better term) all the way.

About a law suit, I honestly hate "most" lawyers… dated 1 and could tell you how disgusted I was when she bragged about getting with other lawyers to make divorce last so that they both pocket fees until the common account was empty, to me they are scumbags.

Bill, I am afraid you are right, that I can not win.  More than anything I am about principle and I am afraid it ismy downfall.  Even if I have to pay more elsewhere, I will change insurer, as I honestly can not stomach DeLasse pocketing half my 5400 euro annual premium to do "NOTHING" when something happened.
And I will make sure whether it is on the Amel forum or any other way that people know how Pantaenius and DeLassee do business..
They are NOT representing us (boaters), they are representing their own interests. They are worthless to have. better have liability only or be self insured.

Since I mentioned my incident, I heard so many disgusting stories about insurance companies…

Anyway, as always I value your experience!  I will keep you and the forum informed how things progress…
Thanks again!  Hope you "sabered" some Champagne for New year!!!
Couple days ago, Terry (SM #196 "Libby"), was a real pleasure meeting him!!!  And he opened a champagne bottle as well!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 1/4/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 1:07 PM

       Alex,
 I am going to respond to this as
 though I am your very good friend. I am your very good
 friend, but maybe you will think differently after you read
 what I have written.
 Unfortunately, I believe that all
 insurance companies will look to spread the blame in a
 collision situation. It is the way they operate. I had a
 SunSail catamaran hit the bow of BeBe when I was berthed at
 a marina in Turkey. He bent the curved piece of stainless
 that goes over the top of the anchor...easy repair. He did
 much more damage to the boat berthed next to BeBe. When the
 SunSail representative and the insurance surveyor visited
 us, we were told that it was not covered by the insurance
 the charter customer purchased because the insurance
 surveyor determined that it was caused by negligence on the
 part of the charter customer. The charter customer told me
 and the boat owner berthed next to us that he would take
 care of it. That was a year ago...nothing!
 I cannot tell you what to do, but
 cancelling, and going to another insurer may be the worse
 choice, and a lawsuit against an insurance company would be
 even worse. I am sure that you can find a lawyer to take the
 case, but in the long run, I believe that only the lawyer
 will come out ahead. I am certain that the marine
 underwriters have a method of communication among
 themselves, so be careful in your next
 decisions.
 You might
 ask, what is your blame? I am betting that in the opinion of
 the offender's insurance company, your 16 meter boat was
 assigned a slip that does not accommodate 16 meters
 "safely." And, I am sure that you were in the
 berth that was assigned to you by the marina. If not that
 reason, then you were not "properly standing
 watch," or did not "properly warn the offender of
 the impeding collision."
 The bottom line is I do not think
 that you can win...BUT...you may be able to come out of this
 with completed satisfactory repairs and replacements without
 too much expense. Your insurance company is in the process
 of negotiating with the offender's insurance company on
 your behalf. Remember, it certainly is not your insurance
 company's fault that all this happened. Possibly you
 could admit to a small percentage of fault as long as the
 repairs that are agreed to are 100% satisfactory. It is not
 right, but, unfortunately it is life in our world, AND, at
 least you will get something while many of us get
 nothing.
 I hope that
 we are still friends.
 BillBeBe,
 #387

 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at
 11:03 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       Good morning Richard,

 Thanks for your reply regarding the bilge pump.

 Regarding Pantaenius, I don't want to write much at the
 moment as I am waiting for legal advice and am about to do 2
 law suit, but Pantaenius is representing the boat that lost
 control and hit me (while I was in my slip in the marina)
 destroying the bow pulpit last July and are contesting
 responsibility (to more than 50%) for their client. I
 understand as the longer they make things last the more they
 keep their money, and at some point they hope I will give
 up.

 So may be the are the best, but they are ruthless…  They
 are definitely very good at not paying… and I wonder if
 the claim was on "their" client side, how they
 would act tower him or her… I would guess probably
 "the same", so if you have that insurance think
 twice…

 My insurance DeLassee, being European is unfortunately
 "weak" wants an "amicable" solution
 (meaning me accepting some responsibility), but there is
 ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I can accept to be responsible for even 1%
 when I am hit in my marina slip by someone that panic and
 put full reverse (admitted in public).

 And by the way, my premium already increased 15% because I
 have a "Claim", but absolutely no repair have been
 done!!!  Scandalous!!!  DeLassee should be ahsame.

 Reply from DeLasee: "We told you to stay away from
 American water".

 My reply, the "Bahamas" is not part of the United
 States, it has been independent for 41 year from the
 "United Kingdom". 

 The only "american" thing is the insurance of the
 boat that hit me.  This could have happened anywhere.

 Mr DeLAssee did not reply. I like to say: Better not reply
 anything and let people think you're an idiot rather
 than open your mouth and confirm it…

 I must stop now, as I am getting seriously upset, once I get
 the legal advice I am waiting for, I will write the complete
 story and people can make their own decision. 

 Sincerely, Alexandre

 SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

 In repair Fort Lauderdale, USA.

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 On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard03801 richard03801@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation -
 AMFA out of business?

  To: "amelyachtowners@..."
 <amelyachtowners@...>

  Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 10:38 AM

        Hi it's a waist water pump in fact a

  similar to that used by Amel. Regarding the

  insurance might want to call SCOTT STUSEKMarketing and

  Sales Director +1 (914) 217-7991PANTAENIUS

  AMERICA LTD in Annapolis they are one of the best world

  wide. 

  Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To

  All

  Capt

  Richard RP Yacht

  BrokerageNewport

  RI We list sell and service fine

  yachts including Amel's

  Cell 603 767

  5330

  On Jan 4,

  2015, at 11:01, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:

        Good morning Richard,

  Just out of curiosity, I was looking at the Whale Gulper

  Grouper Pump BP4574 you mentioned and it seems to be a

  "fish box" waste pump.

  Do you think in case of problem the insurance won't
 try

  to argue and find excuse to not pay a claim?

  I am asking because the captain that deliver my boat 2
 years

  ago, replaced mine with a "waste water" and
 since

  I have been pretty disgusted with my insurance
 (Delassee)…

  (I am waiting before writing anything on the forum about

  this issue).

  I have also talked to people where insurance used
 excuses

  (not related to anything) like 1 person had things stolen
 in

  his boat (while in storage).

  The insurer ask if he removed the batteries.  Reply: NO.

  (and why ask because the batteries were not stolen, nor
 was

  the boat) but the insurance refuse to reimburse because

  batteries where still there.

   When ask to show where this was written on the contract

  (was not showing anywhere) the insurance stand still…
 And

  I am having a similar problem…

  So just being on the cautious side, would hate to use a
 pump

  not use for this purpose and end up without coverage…

  Any opinion?

  Sincerely, Alexandre

  SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

  repair in Fort Lauderdale, USA

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  On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard Piller richard03801@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation
 -

  AMFA out of business?

   To: "amelyachtowners@..."

  <amelyachtowners@...>

   Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 8:10 AM

         Hi Eric,

   the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper

  Pump

   BP4574.  24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the

   bulkhead.  We need a

   hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used

  the

   Amel switch

   and it worked very well for years.

   All the best for the new

   year.Richard Piller

      From: "sailormon

   kimberlite@...

  [amelyachtowners]"

   <amelyachtowners@...>

   To:

   amelyachtowners@...

    Sent: Sunday, January

   4, 2015 4:36 AM

    Subject: RE: [Amel

   Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of

   business?

         Richard,What model pump is

   this?Fair

   WindsEricKimberlite SM

   376

   From: amelyachtowners@...

   [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

   Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29

   PM

   To:

   amelyachtowners@...

   Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge

   pump recommendation - AMFA out of

   business?    Alex we used a high capacity

   Whale diagram 24v pump. 

   Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt

   Richard RP Yacht

   BrokerageNewport

   RI We

   list sell and service fine yachts including

   Amel'sCell 603 767

   5330

   On Dec 31,

   2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

   [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

   wrote:  Good morning,

   Had a bilge pump failure… so

   went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me

  AMFA

   was out of business…

   Can

   anyone confirm that?

   Also,

   does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump

   replacement?

   Thanks in

   advance, sincerely, Alexandre

   SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

   In Fort

   Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19340

Good afternoon Bill,

First of all, I could not imagine a reason why we wouldn't be friend.  I am very happy we meet, and you are such great contributor to the forum and I always highly value your experience and opinion!
I have a problem which I don't know how to solve and honestly I want to hear the truth either "go after the people with a lawyer" or "the reality is that you are (forgive my french) screwed"…
If it seems to be the second option so I need to accept it and move on as I already wasted so many hours and money on that.

Here are the fact as they "objectly" happened.

I arrived late June at Bay Street Marina in Nassau.
Second day I was there, a single handed lady with transmission problem lost control due to the 2 kt current and touch the side of NIKIMAT.  Marina employees and myself pushed her and she went, no one had damage.
2 Days later, my other neighbor also lost misjudge the current and hit my anchor, I was not there but the marina employees pushed him, again there was no damage.
Then that guy, he was normally dock on the other side, wanted to have pictures of Atlantis on the background so came on my side of the pier, lost control, hit my boat, but instead to have people pushing him, he put fill reverse, and did the damages which I posted on: http://nikimat.com/accident.html
Thankfully it was the marina employees that were taking pictures, so they witness everything…

He apologized, said he would pay for everything, not to worry, etc.
I MADE THE MISTAKE to tell him this was the "3rd time" in a month I was hit a by boat…

Since I have never had a boating accident, I emailed my insurance DeLasse and ask for advice, saying that likely the other person was going to pay himself for the damages.
Geoffroy DeLassee sent me a claim form for him to fill out, in the case we would not solve amicably the situation.
And apparently they contacted his insurance…
The next day, he was gone…  (which I thought was against maritime law) the marina told me not to worry, etc. (they always say that in the Bahamas until something happened to them).

Then an insurance expert came , I bought it was from my insurance.  But nom was to defend him..  He was surprised the other boat was gone and said I can't look at your boat until I look first at his client boat.
He came back and came back again (other boat sill not back), then finally asset my damage.

The guy was disgusting, most damage was either not worth repairing or would say: "yes it is bent but still works".  Sure, the hole boat still works as it is…

Then a week later when he came back, he said that "since I involved my insurance he didn't want to have anything to do with it" and walked away…

I told DeLAssee he didn't want to sign the claim form and ask what to do.
DeLAsse told me to get an estimate.
There is only 1 stainless steel compagnie in Nassau, a guy came, said there was too much damage for him to give a quote, that his boss had to come.
Then 10 days later his boss finally came, said he would give an estimate before going on vacation, which is did not, so 3 weeks later finally gives an estimate which includes only half the repairs…
Then of course he refuse to remove the bow pulpit, etc. So I have to ask another company (same thing about the delay to come) and they don't want to remove the bow pulpit as they don't want to be responsible, and so on….

Regarding the electrical, DeLassee said "the work I do myself" won't be reimbursed… (and as you know I have my 2 businesses to manage) so I am asking an electric guy to come and give an estimate. 
He said he will give tomorrow. 2 Days later, still nothing, take my bicycle to see him, he is sitting on his chair smoking a joint, big smile and said: "ho yes was thinking about you, not been very busy, haven't had the time, but give you one tomorrow".
Day after still nothing, so 2 more days goes with the bicycle… same story… guy smoking his joint on his chair, no time to write down, this lasted 2 weeks until said #&$%@^ I waste probably more of my time going to see him with my bicycle than repairing myself, so did it.

6 weeks have gone by… I still don't have an expert from DeLAsse insurance to help me…  I called very unhappy, so they give me someone!  "On the phone"!
So Pantaenius insurance sent a guy in  6 days for the other guy, but me I have to wait 6 weeks to have someone "on the phone"!  Splendid!!!
They give me the option to continue my trip to Martinique and have repair done there or go to Florida. I said ok I continue.

Then just when I am about to go to the Exumas: DeLassee receive a message from the other insurance (Pantaenius) that they only accept 50% responsibility…  Because my boat has been hit at least 2 other times and is too long, etc.
So obviously "I" am the problem.  DeLassee ask me what I want to reply?  Hell NO, what is that type of question?  The slip size has NOTHING to do with insurance.  They should know that, this is a common excuse not-valid that people say, just in case the insured is stupid enough not to know the law.
So I had written testimonial from all the marina employees.

Then in October comes the renewal of my insurance, it is up by 15% I call DeLassee and ask for explanations, and said this is disgusting as "no repair" have been done to my vessel!

Mid Movember I arrive in Fort Lauderdale, ask http://jpdowns.com for a quote including all the repair (fiberglass, electrical, unlike what I have been given before).
Total is something like $16.000  I forward it to my expert and insurance and what they say: "it is too high" !?!
I don't know the prices, but sn't it the job of the "other insurance" to say it is too high??  I don't get it…  
I wrote that they need to talk directly to each other.

My insurer DeLassee doesn't do anything.  They are not "negotiating" on my behalf…  I have to contest everything.
Either DeLassee are absolutely stupid or crook themselves working with the other insurance.

At the end, I know what will happened: I will get tired, conclude that I have already spent more hours, money and time than it is worth. My premium will still be up 15% and I would have been screwed (for a lack of better term) all the way.

About a law suit, I honestly hate "most" lawyers… dated 1 and could tell you how disgusted I was when she bragged about getting with other lawyers to make divorce last so that they both pocket fees until the common account was empty, to me they are scumbags.

Bill, I am afraid you are right, that I can not win.  More than anything I am about principle and I am afraid it ismy downfall.  Even if I have to pay more elsewhere, I will change insurer, as I honestly can not stomach DeLasse pocketing half my 5400 euro annual premium to do "NOTHING" when something happened.
And I will make sure whether it is on the Amel forum or any other way that people know how Pantaenius and DeLassee do business..
They are NOT representing us (boaters), they are representing their own interests. They are worthless to have. better have liability only or be self insured.

Since I mentioned my incident, I heard so many disgusting stories about insurance companies…

Anyway, as always I value your experience!  I will keep you and the forum informed how things progress…
Thanks again!  Hope you "sabered" some Champagne for New year!!!
Couple days ago, Terry (SM #196 "Libby"), was a real pleasure meeting him!!!  And he opened a champagne bottle as well!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 1/4/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 1:07 PM

       Alex,
 I am going to respond to this as
 though I am your very good friend. I am your very good
 friend, but maybe you will think differently after you read
 what I have written.
 Unfortunately, I believe that all
 insurance companies will look to spread the blame in a
 collision situation. It is the way they operate. I had a
 SunSail catamaran hit the bow of BeBe when I was berthed at
 a marina in Turkey. He bent the curved piece of stainless
 that goes over the top of the anchor...easy repair. He did
 much more damage to the boat berthed next to BeBe. When the
 SunSail representative and the insurance surveyor visited
 us, we were told that it was not covered by the insurance
 the charter customer purchased because the insurance
 surveyor determined that it was caused by negligence on the
 part of the charter customer. The charter customer told me
 and the boat owner berthed next to us that he would take
 care of it. That was a year ago...nothing!
 I cannot tell you what to do, but
 cancelling, and going to another insurer may be the worse
 choice, and a lawsuit against an insurance company would be
 even worse. I am sure that you can find a lawyer to take the
 case, but in the long run, I believe that only the lawyer
 will come out ahead. I am certain that the marine
 underwriters have a method of communication among
 themselves, so be careful in your next
 decisions.
 You might
 ask, what is your blame? I am betting that in the opinion of
 the offender's insurance company, your 16 meter boat was
 assigned a slip that does not accommodate 16 meters
 "safely." And, I am sure that you were in the
 berth that was assigned to you by the marina. If not that
 reason, then you were not "properly standing
 watch," or did not "properly warn the offender of
 the impeding collision."
 The bottom line is I do not think
 that you can win...BUT...you may be able to come out of this
 with completed satisfactory repairs and replacements without
 too much expense. Your insurance company is in the process
 of negotiating with the offender's insurance company on
 your behalf. Remember, it certainly is not your insurance
 company's fault that all this happened. Possibly you
 could admit to a small percentage of fault as long as the
 repairs that are agreed to are 100% satisfactory. It is not
 right, but, unfortunately it is life in our world, AND, at
 least you will get something while many of us get
 nothing.
 I hope that
 we are still friends.
 BillBeBe,
 #387

 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at
 11:03 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       Good morning Richard,

 Thanks for your reply regarding the bilge pump.

 Regarding Pantaenius, I don't want to write much at the
 moment as I am waiting for legal advice and am about to do 2
 law suit, but Pantaenius is representing the boat that lost
 control and hit me (while I was in my slip in the marina)
 destroying the bow pulpit last July and are contesting
 responsibility (to more than 50%) for their client. I
 understand as the longer they make things last the more they
 keep their money, and at some point they hope I will give
 up.

 So may be the are the best, but they are ruthless…  They
 are definitely very good at not paying… and I wonder if
 the claim was on "their" client side, how they
 would act tower him or her… I would guess probably
 "the same", so if you have that insurance think
 twice…

 My insurance DeLassee, being European is unfortunately
 "weak" wants an "amicable" solution
 (meaning me accepting some responsibility), but there is
 ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I can accept to be responsible for even 1%
 when I am hit in my marina slip by someone that panic and
 put full reverse (admitted in public).

 And by the way, my premium already increased 15% because I
 have a "Claim", but absolutely no repair have been
 done!!!  Scandalous!!!  DeLassee should be ahsame.

 Reply from DeLasee: "We told you to stay away from
 American water".

 My reply, the "Bahamas" is not part of the United
 States, it has been independent for 41 year from the
 "United Kingdom". 

 The only "american" thing is the insurance of the
 boat that hit me.  This could have happened anywhere.

 Mr DeLAssee did not reply. I like to say: Better not reply
 anything and let people think you're an idiot rather
 than open your mouth and confirm it…

 I must stop now, as I am getting seriously upset, once I get
 the legal advice I am waiting for, I will write the complete
 story and people can make their own decision. 

 Sincerely, Alexandre

 SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

 In repair Fort Lauderdale, USA.

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 On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard03801 richard03801@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation -
 AMFA out of business?

  To: "amelyachtowners@..."
 <amelyachtowners@...>

  Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 10:38 AM

        Hi it's a waist water pump in fact a

  similar to that used by Amel. Regarding the

  insurance might want to call SCOTT STUSEKMarketing and

  Sales Director +1 (914) 217-7991PANTAENIUS

  AMERICA LTD in Annapolis they are one of the best world

  wide. 

  Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To

  All

  Capt

  Richard RP Yacht

  BrokerageNewport

  RI We list sell and service fine

  yachts including Amel's

  Cell 603 767

  5330

  On Jan 4,

  2015, at 11:01, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:

        Good morning Richard,

  Just out of curiosity, I was looking at the Whale Gulper

  Grouper Pump BP4574 you mentioned and it seems to be a

  "fish box" waste pump.

  Do you think in case of problem the insurance won't
 try

  to argue and find excuse to not pay a claim?

  I am asking because the captain that deliver my boat 2
 years

  ago, replaced mine with a "waste water" and
 since

  I have been pretty disgusted with my insurance
 (Delassee)…

  (I am waiting before writing anything on the forum about

  this issue).

  I have also talked to people where insurance used
 excuses

  (not related to anything) like 1 person had things stolen
 in

  his boat (while in storage).

  The insurer ask if he removed the batteries.  Reply: NO.

  (and why ask because the batteries were not stolen, nor
 was

  the boat) but the insurance refuse to reimburse because

  batteries where still there.

   When ask to show where this was written on the contract

  (was not showing anywhere) the insurance stand still…
 And

  I am having a similar problem…

  So just being on the cautious side, would hate to use a
 pump

  not use for this purpose and end up without coverage…

  Any opinion?

  Sincerely, Alexandre

  SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

  repair in Fort Lauderdale, USA

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  On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard Piller richard03801@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation
 -

  AMFA out of business?

   To: "amelyachtowners@..."

  <amelyachtowners@...>

   Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 8:10 AM

         Hi Eric,

   the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper

  Pump

   BP4574.  24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the

   bulkhead.  We need a

   hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used

  the

   Amel switch

   and it worked very well for years.

   All the best for the new

   year.Richard Piller

      From: "sailormon

   kimberlite@...

  [amelyachtowners]"

   <amelyachtowners@...>

   To:

   amelyachtowners@...

    Sent: Sunday, January

   4, 2015 4:36 AM

    Subject: RE: [Amel

   Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of

   business?

         Richard,What model pump is

   this?Fair

   WindsEricKimberlite SM

   376

   From: amelyachtowners@...

   [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

   Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29

   PM

   To:

   amelyachtowners@...

   Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge

   pump recommendation - AMFA out of

   business?    Alex we used a high capacity

   Whale diagram 24v pump. 

   Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt

   Richard RP Yacht

   BrokerageNewport

   RI We

   list sell and service fine yachts including

   Amel'sCell 603 767

   5330

   On Dec 31,

   2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

   [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

   wrote:  Good morning,

   Had a bilge pump failure… so

   went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me

  AMFA

   was out of business…

   Can

   anyone confirm that?

   Also,

   does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump

   replacement?

   Thanks in

   advance, sincerely, Alexandre

   SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

   In Fort

   Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Shroud Covers

Dave_Benjamin

#19339

Yes it was rigid PVC, possibly the thicker walled stuff. I just slit it with a saw and closed it with zip ties covered by rigging tape. Last time I saw the boat, which was about 5 years from when I did it, it all looked intact. And of course it's cheap to renew any or all of those items.

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Hi did you use rigid PVC.

If so did you split the PVC or did you just cut a slit in it?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 3:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Shroud Covers

Ian,

I have not seen the Amel covers but I had impression they were somewhat tight fitting. The PVC pipe I used was quite a bit larger than the wire so as not to trap anything. Nathan Bossett who is on this list and now owns my former boat could say exactly but I think perhaps the inner diameter of the PVC is 20 or 22mm. It was open on the bottom so water could run freely.

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote :

Hello Dave,

I am not so sure that the Amel covers are that tight. I use the large (12mm) ones on all the main mast lowers which provide a fairly loose fit. What size tubing are you using?

Ian SM414 (2003) Crusader Cyprus

On 29/12/2014 19:38, dave_benjamin@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Ian,

Many riggers recommend against the use of tightly fitting covers over standing rigging. I agree with them. What I use on the lower sections to prevent sheets from chafing is some PVC pipe from the hardware store. If you don't wish to remove any fittings, you can slit the PVC with a saw and then use some tie-wraps which can be covered with vinyl tape.

Re: Super Maramu Rigging tension

Dave_Benjamin

#19338

Terry,

Correct on zero rake and zero pre-bend.

The bit about much greater tension than other boats is up for debate. I've spoken with some of the best and brightest riggers who have brought up some very sound points to oppose that concept. One of those riggers is a colleague of Brion Toss and has an engineering background.

---In amelyachtowners@..., <singh_terence@...> wrote :

I am sheepishly writing this as I feel that this topic has been addressed numerous times with many responses.

Old age may be creeping in on my side as I am still unable to sift through all the information and find a definative method for adjusting the tension to a correct set point on our standing rigging.

I hear the following from previous comments

- masts must be vertical in relation to the deck.

- Rigging must be tight, tighter than conventionaly built boats

- No bend in the masts at all

Can anyone help me simply understand what tight rigging means? How do I simply know when to stop turning the turn buckles.

Any help here would help put my wifes mind to rest as Dena continually asks this question of me.

Many thanks

Terry&Denna

SV Libby

SM#196 San Diego

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#19337

Alex,

I am going to respond to this as though I am your very good friend. I am your very good friend, but maybe you will think differently after you read what I have written.

Unfortunately, I believe that all insurance companies will look to spread the blame in a collision situation. It is the way they operate. I had a SunSail catamaran hit the bow of BeBe when I was berthed at a marina in Turkey. He bent the curved piece of stainless that goes over the top of the anchor...easy repair. He did much more damage to the boat berthed next to BeBe. When the SunSail representative and the insurance surveyor visited us, we were told that it was not covered by the insurance the charter customer purchased because the insurance surveyor determined that it was caused by negligence on the part of the charter customer. The charter customer told me and the boat owner berthed next to us that he would take care of it. That was a year ago...nothing!

I cannot tell you what to do, but cancelling, and going to another insurer may be the worse choice, and a lawsuit against an insurance company would be even worse. I am sure that you can find a lawyer to take the case, but in the long run, I believe that only the lawyer will come out ahead. I am certain that the marine underwriters have a method of communication among themselves, so be careful in your next decisions.

You might ask, what is your blame? I am betting that in the opinion of the offender's insurance company, your 16 meter boat was assigned a slip that does not accommodate 16 meters "safely." And, I am sure that you were in the berth that was assigned to you by the marina. If not that reason, then you were not "properly standing watch," or did not "properly warn the offender of the impeding collision."

The bottom line is I do not think that you can win...BUT...you may be able to come out of this with completed satisfactory repairs and replacements without too much expense. Your insurance company is in the process of negotiating with the offender's insurance company on your behalf. Remember, it certainly is not your insurance company's fault that all this happened. Possibly you could admit to a small percentage of fault as long as the repairs that are agreed to are 100% satisfactory. It is not right, but, unfortunately it is life in our world, AND, at least you will get something while many of us get nothing.

I hope that we are still friends.

Bill

BeBe, #387

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Richard,

Thanks for your reply regarding the bilge pump.

Regarding Pantaenius, I don't want to write much at the moment as I am waiting for legal advice and am about to do 2 law suit, but Pantaenius is representing the boat that lost control and hit me (while I was in my slip in the marina) destroying the bow pulpit last July and are contesting responsibility (to more than 50%) for their client. I understand as the longer they make things last the more they keep their money, and at some point they hope I will give up.

So may be the are the best, but they are ruthless… They are definitely very good at not paying… and I wonder if the claim was on "their" client side, how they would act tower him or her… I would guess probably "the same", so if you have that insurance think twice…

My insurance DeLassee, being European is unfortunately "weak" wants an "amicable" solution (meaning me accepting some responsibility), but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I can accept to be responsible for even 1% when I am hit in my marina slip by someone that panic and put full reverse (admitted in public).

And by the way, my premium already increased 15% because I have a "Claim", but absolutely no repair have been done!!! Scandalous!!! DeLassee should be ahsame.

Reply from DeLasee: "We told you to stay away from American water".
My reply, the "Bahamas" is not part of the United States, it has been independent for 41 year from the "United Kingdom".
The only "american" thing is the insurance of the boat that hit me. This could have happened anywhere.
Mr DeLAssee did not reply. I like to say: Better not reply anything and let people think you're an idiot rather than open your mouth and confirm it…

I must stop now, as I am getting seriously upset, once I get the legal advice I am waiting for, I will write the complete story and people can make their own decision.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repair Fort Lauderdale, USA.

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On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 10:38 AM

Hi it's a waist water pump in fact a
similar to that used by Amel. Regarding the
insurance might want to call SCOTT STUSEKMarketing and
Sales Director +1 (914) 217-7991PANTAENIUS
AMERICA LTD in Annapolis they are one of the best world
wide.
Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To
All
Capt
Richard RP Yacht
BrokerageNewport
RI We list sell and service fine
yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767
5330
On Jan 4,
2015, at 11:01, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Good morning Richard,

Just out of curiosity, I was looking at the Whale Gulper
Grouper Pump BP4574 you mentioned and it seems to be a
"fish box" waste pump.

Do you think in case of problem the insurance won't try
to argue and find excuse to not pay a claim?

I am asking because the captain that deliver my boat 2 years
ago, replaced mine with a "waste water" and since
I have been pretty disgusted with my insurance (Delassee)…
(I am waiting before writing anything on the forum about
this issue).

I have also talked to people where insurance used excuses
(not related to anything) like 1 person had things stolen in
his boat (while in storage).

The insurer ask if he removed the batteries. Reply: NO.
(and why ask because the batteries were not stolen, nor was
the boat) but the insurance refuse to reimburse because
batteries where still there.

When ask to show where this was written on the contract
(was not showing anywhere) the insurance stand still… And
I am having a similar problem…

So just being on the cautious side, would hate to use a pump
not use for this purpose and end up without coverage…

Any opinion?

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

repair in Fort Lauderdale, USA

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On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard Piller richard03801@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation -
AMFA out of business?

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 8:10 AM

Hi Eric,

the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper
Pump

BP4574. 24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the

bulkhead. We need a

hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used
the

Amel switch

and it worked very well for years.

All the best for the new

year.Richard Piller

From: "sailormon

kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]"

<amelyachtowners@...>

To:

amelyachtowners@...

Sent: Sunday, January

4, 2015 4:36 AM

Subject: RE: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of

business?

Richard,What model pump is

this?Fair

WindsEricKimberlite SM

376

From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29

PM

To:

amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge

pump recommendation - AMFA out of

business? Alex we used a high capacity

Whale diagram 24v pump.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt

Richard RP Yacht

BrokerageNewport

RI We

list sell and service fine yachts including

Amel'sCell 603 767

5330

On Dec 31,

2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote: Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so

went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me
AMFA

was out of business…

Can

anyone confirm that?

Also,

does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump

replacement?

Thanks in

advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

In Fort

Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19336

Good morning Richard,

Thanks for your reply regarding the bilge pump.

Regarding Pantaenius, I don't want to write much at the moment as I am waiting for legal advice and am about to do 2 law suit, but Pantaenius is representing the boat that lost control and hit me (while I was in my slip in the marina) destroying the bow pulpit last July and are contesting responsibility (to more than 50%) for their client. I understand as the longer they make things last the more they keep their money, and at some point they hope I will give up.

So may be the are the best, but they are ruthless…  They are definitely very good at not paying… and I wonder if the claim was on "their" client side, how they would act tower him or her… I would guess probably "the same", so if you have that insurance think twice…

My insurance DeLassee, being European is unfortunately "weak" wants an "amicable" solution (meaning me accepting some responsibility), but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I can accept to be responsible for even 1% when I am hit in my marina slip by someone that panic and put full reverse (admitted in public).

And by the way, my premium already increased 15% because I have a "Claim", but absolutely no repair have been done!!!  Scandalous!!!  DeLassee should be ahsame.

Reply from DeLasee: "We told you to stay away from American water".
My reply, the "Bahamas" is not part of the United States, it has been independent for 41 year from the "United Kingdom".
The only "american" thing is the insurance of the boat that hit me.  This could have happened anywhere.
Mr DeLAssee did not reply. I like to say: Better not reply anything and let people think you're an idiot rather than open your mouth and confirm it…

I must stop now, as I am getting seriously upset, once I get the legal advice I am waiting for, I will write the complete story and people can make their own decision.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repair Fort Lauderdale, USA.

--------------------------------------------

Show quoted text

On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 10:38 AM

       Hi it's a waist water pump in fact a
 similar to that used by Amel. Regarding the
 insurance might want to call SCOTT STUSEKMarketing and
 Sales Director +1 (914) 217-7991PANTAENIUS
 AMERICA LTD in Annapolis they are one of the best world
 wide. 
 Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To
 All
 Capt
 Richard RP Yacht
 BrokerageNewport
 RI We list sell and service fine
 yachts including Amel's
 Cell 603 767
 5330
 On Jan 4,
 2015, at 11:01, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       Good morning Richard,

 Just out of curiosity, I was looking at the Whale Gulper
 Grouper Pump BP4574 you mentioned and it seems to be a
 "fish box" waste pump.

 Do you think in case of problem the insurance won't try
 to argue and find excuse to not pay a claim?

 I am asking because the captain that deliver my boat 2 years
 ago, replaced mine with a "waste water" and since
 I have been pretty disgusted with my insurance (Delassee)…
 (I am waiting before writing anything on the forum about
 this issue).

 I have also talked to people where insurance used excuses
 (not related to anything) like 1 person had things stolen in
 his boat (while in storage).

 The insurer ask if he removed the batteries.  Reply: NO.
 (and why ask because the batteries were not stolen, nor was
 the boat) but the insurance refuse to reimburse because
 batteries where still there.

  When ask to show where this was written on the contract
 (was not showing anywhere) the insurance stand still… And
 I am having a similar problem…

 So just being on the cautious side, would hate to use a pump
 not use for this purpose and end up without coverage…
 
 Any opinion?

 Sincerely, Alexandre

 SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

 repair in Fort Lauderdale, USA

 --------------------------------------------

 On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard Piller richard03801@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation -
 AMFA out of business?

  To: "amelyachtowners@..."
 <amelyachtowners@...>

  Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 8:10 AM

        Hi Eric,

  the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper
 Pump

  BP4574.  24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the

  bulkhead.  We need a

  hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used
 the

  Amel switch

  and it worked very well for years.

  All the best for the new
 
  year.Richard Piller

     From: "sailormon

  kimberlite@...
 [amelyachtowners]"

  <amelyachtowners@...>

  To:

  amelyachtowners@...

   Sent: Sunday, January

  4, 2015 4:36 AM

   Subject: RE: [Amel

  Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of

  business?

        Richard,What model pump is

  this?Fair

  WindsEricKimberlite SM

  376

  From: amelyachtowners@...

  [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29

  PM

  To:

  amelyachtowners@...

  Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge

  pump recommendation - AMFA out of

  business?    Alex we used a high capacity

  Whale diagram 24v pump. 

  Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt

  Richard RP Yacht

  BrokerageNewport

  RI We

  list sell and service fine yachts including

  Amel'sCell 603 767

  5330

  On Dec 31,

  2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:  Good morning,

  Had a bilge pump failure… so

  went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me
 AMFA

  was out of business…

  Can

  anyone confirm that?

  Also,

  does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump

  replacement?

  Thanks in

  advance, sincerely, Alexandre

  SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

  In Fort

  Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>

#19335

Hi it's a waist water pump in fact a similar to that used by Amel.

Regarding the insurance might want to call SCOTT STUSEK

Marketing and Sales Director +1 (914) 217-7991

PANTAENIUS AMERICA LTD in Annapolis they are one of the best world wide.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330

Show quoted text

On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:01, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Richard,

Just out of curiosity, I was looking at the Whale Gulper Grouper Pump BP4574 you mentioned and it seems to be a "fish box" waste pump.
Do you think in case of problem the insurance won't try to argue and find excuse to not pay a claim?
I am asking because the captain that deliver my boat 2 years ago, replaced mine with a "waste water" and since I have been pretty disgusted with my insurance (Delassee)… (I am waiting before writing anything on the forum about this issue).

I have also talked to people where insurance used excuses (not related to anything) like 1 person had things stolen in his boat (while in storage).
The insurer ask if he removed the batteries. Reply: NO. (and why ask because the batteries were not stolen, nor was the boat) but the insurance refuse to reimburse because batteries where still there.
When ask to show where this was written on the contract (was not showing anywhere) the insurance stand still… And I am having a similar problem…

So just being on the cautious side, would hate to use a pump not use for this purpose and end up without coverage…

Any opinion?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
repair in Fort Lauderdale, USA

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 8:10 AM

Hi Eric,
the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper Pump

BP4574. 24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the
bulkhead. We need a
hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used the
Amel switch
and it worked very well for years.
All the best for the new
year.Richard Piller

From: "sailormon
kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>

To:
amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, January
4, 2015 4:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of
business?

Richard,What model pump is
this?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite SM
376

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge
pump recommendation - AMFA out of
business? Alex we used a high capacity
Whale diagram 24v pump.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt
Richard RP Yacht
BrokerageNewport
RI We
list sell and service fine yachts including
Amel'sCell 603 767
5330
On Dec 31,
2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote: Good morning,

Had a bilge pump failure… so
went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me AMFA
was out of business…

Can
anyone confirm that?

Also,
does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump
replacement?

Thanks in
advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In Fort
Lauderdale for repair.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Super Maramu for Sale

Frédéric houdaille <fhoudaille@...>

#19333

Thanks Richard! We too look forward to catching up with you!!

Could you please email me details on your brokerage terms at fhoudaille@...?

Thanks.

Cheers,

Fred

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On 4 janv. 2015, at 10:13, "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Happy New Year to you and yours. Looking forward to catching up up when you get north.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jan 4, 2015, at 07:38, Frédéric houdaille fhoudaille@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning everyone,
Happy New Year!!!!
After about two years of a wonderful family voyage with our SM, we are sailing Zazen.
We are currently in Saint Lucia and our plan is to be back home (West of Philadelphia) in May. We will be exploring the Caribbeans on the way North.
Should someone be interested, please let us know, Thanks.
Cheers,
Frederic Houdaille
Zazen
SM 404