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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai

#19924

Merci, again, Olivier. I hope this will be the last question about this. You are very kind to take the time to help us with all our questions. I hope one day I will get to France again so I can take you out for a nice dinner.

Kent

SM243

Kristy

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On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Kent,

it seems you have no choice: as your engine cannot be isolated, it will have bonding (zincs) and 12V negative connected together. It is not a major problem (many sailing vessels have a 12V negative on the engine body) but you shuld install a double pole breaker on the line between 12V battery and engine, and turn it off when you're not motoring.

But I repeat: your engine MUST be connected to the bonding circuit, otherwise, it will not be protected against galvanic corrosion.

Your generator should be bonded too. And this is not a problem if 220V earth is connected to the bonding circuit. In fact, through the air conditioning cooling seawater pump, earth and bonding are connected.

Olivier

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#19923

Eric,

We are not on the boat until 6 March. Is that too late for you?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

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On Feb 9, 2015 10:36 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Bill-BeBe,
I have a favor to ask.
Would you please open the starboard overhead midships and take a few photos of the electric winch gearbox and motor?
I need a drawing of the gearbox and Lewmar needs a photo to determine which motor and gearbox I have. If you can please send them to
Kimberlite@...

Fair Winds
Eric

Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Olivier Beaute

#19922

Hello Kent,

it seems you have no choice: as your engine cannot be isolated, it will have bonding (zincs) and 12V negative connected together. It is not a major problem (many sailing vessels have a 12V negative on the engine body) but you shuld install a double pole breaker on the line between 12V battery and engine, and turn it off when you're not motoring.

But I repeat: your engine MUST be connected to the bonding circuit, otherwise, it will not be protected against galvanic corrosion.

Your generator should be bonded too. And this is not a problem if 220V earth is connected to the bonding circuit. In fact, through the air conditioning cooling seawater pump, earth and bonding are connected.

Olivier

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bonding and grounding.

Olivier Beaute

#19921

Hi Mark,

on your AC circuits,you may have the ground not connected to the bonding (zincs).

Of course it must be connected to the shore power earth.

But if one day you install an AC Equipment that handles seawater (air conditioning cooling seawater pump) then both circuits (bonding and earth) will be connected (through the pump), and that is not problem.

Olivier

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On Monday, February 2, 2015 11:49 AM, "INUS - BUSCH inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

Good morning Olivier,

you saved me hours in that I have not to look further for a copper strap to the ballast. And in March when I am on my Sharki again I will check whether the engine is isolated or not (I only know that the generators are isolated).

But I understood now that in any case (isolated or not) the engine has to be connected via the bonding strap to the zincs. Thanks for that.

What I have not clear is, where the other yellow-green wire, the grounding connector from the 220 V a.c. installation has to be connected: Should it be connected also to the bonding straps with the zincs, or not? Because I have no unit with 220 V a.c. which has to be protected from seawater corrosion, and for security there is an RCD. But when it should be connected to the zincs, I should use a galvanic isolator, right?

Dieter

AMEL Sharki #135, Fal-lera

Von: "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]"
An: "amelyachtowners@..."
Gesendet: 9:27 Montag, 2.Februar 2015
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bonding and grounding.

Good morning Mark,

are you sure the sensors on your engine have only one wire?

If so, the engine is a non isolated one. So are most of the engines mounted on leisure crafts (and it works...).

The only down side of this is that your anodes will melt quicker than with an isolated engine.

When AMEL decided to mount isolated engines (which was probably not the case with the first SHARKIS' Perkins 4108), they wanted to be protected "like aluminum or steel boats", especially as the amount of metal parts in contact with seawater was increasing with the increasing number of equipments (pumps, gensets, water-makers).

Yes your engine should be connected to the bonding strap (connected to the zincs), otherwise, it will not be able to fight the galvanic corrosion that could developp in the heat exchanger, or in the seawater pump.

One more advice: watch your zincs frequently and don't leave the batteries breakers ON when you're not using the vessel. In a marina, don't leave your 230V power cord connected.

Have a good day.

Olivier

Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis, After Market telephone number

Olivier Beaute

#19920

Hi Kent,

Try +33 546 55 00 75 or +33 546 55 17 18

Olivier

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis, After Market telephone number

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19919

Hello Kent,
This is the only number I need, but if you need someone speaking calling I can help!
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Fort Lauderdale


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On Mon, 2/9/15, karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis, After Market telephone number
 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, February 9, 2015, 12:02 PM


  









       Hello again Cousins,
 I have just
 arrived for a week of getting the engine and  new drive
 reinstalled.  Unfortunately when we opened the shipment
 from Amel, the new foot and propshaft were there, but the
 upper part of the drive was not.  I will call Maud early
 tomorrow, but need her telephone number.  I have the main
 Amel number
  +33 (0) 546 55 17 31, but was
 hoping someone would have a direct line to call the
 aftermarket department.  Can anyone help?
 Thanks,
 Kent
 SM243
 Kristy

     







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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai

#19918

I'm still not sure how to connect the electrical systems of my non-isolated Yanmar 4JH4HTE to avoid electrolytic issues in the future. The consensus here seems to be that the bonding system should have no connections to the 220, 24, or 12V grounds. The starter, 12V alternator, and sensors (temp, oil pressure, etc) are grounded to the engine block. I'm still checking with Yanmar to see if isolated starter, alternator, and sensors are available, but I don't think they are...so I can't isolate the engine block (and thus the Cdrive) from the bonding system without having a connection to the 12V battery negative post.
Should I leave the engine connected to both the bonding system and the 12V negative pole (thus leaving the transmission and Cdrive connected through the engine)?

I've looked for a bonding wire to the generator, and don't see one. I remember Eric's description of the genset as having a "floating ground" (or something like that, can't find it now). Does that mean that the generator is not connected to the bonding system? If so, then the small zinc in the raw water system is all that is protecting the generator from galvanic (or electrolytic) damage?

Going bald,
Kent
SM243
Kristy

SV Libby and the Blueplanet Odyssey

Terence Singh

#19917

Just wanted to thank the group for all the helpful information shared for the 3 years that we have been members.

SV Libby #196 departed San Diego as part of the Blue Planet Odyssey Blue Planet Odyssey 2014-17 - Cornell Sailing


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Hoping to meet some of you in person over the next few years.

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SV Libby #196

Puerto Ixtapa, re-fuelling and repairing our 24VDC Alternator bracket!

Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis, After Market telephone number

karkauai

#19916

Hello again Cousins,
I have just arrived for a week of getting the engine and new drive reinstalled. Unfortunately when we opened the shipment from Amel, the new foot and propshaft were there, but the upper part of the drive was not. I will call Maud early tomorrow, but need her telephone number. I have the main Amel number
+33 (0) 546 55 17 31, but was hoping someone would have a direct line to call the aftermarket department. Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Winch Motor photo

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19915

Hi Bill-BeBe,

I have a favor to ask.

Would you please open the starboard overhead midships and take a few photos of the electric winch gearbox and motor?

I need a drawing of the gearbox and Lewmar needs a photo to determine which motor and gearbox I have. If you can please send them to

Kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19914

Hi Bill-BeBe,

I have a favor to ask.

Would you please open the starboard overhead midships and take a few photos of the electric winch gearbox and motor?

I need a drawing of the gearbox and Lewmar needs a photo to determine which motor and gearbox I have. If you can please send them to

Kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Re: Sharki bonding and grounding.

n33077@...

#19913

Mark

Good morning. Would you happen to have a picture of your propshaft and how it is bonded? I was in my boat over the weekend, I looked to see how mine was bonded. One end is not exactly connected, but rather just sitting there touching the coupling. The other end was clamped to the propshaft.

After reading all the bonding posts, it made me wonder about my setup. I'd like to check it out and see just what it does....

Regards,

Aras

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] (unknown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#19912

Congratulations Leo and Margaret

We are neighbors as I am Swiss, but currently sailing the Bahamas and Caribbean.
Hope we meet some day!
Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT (White Bay, BVI)
Currently in repair in Florida, USA

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On Mon, 2/9/15, Leopold Hauer leopold.hauer@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] (unknown)
 To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
 Date: Monday, February 9, 2015, 6:45 AM


  











 New Super Maramu Owner



 We bought SM#69 „Yin Yang“ in  October 2014  but have
 been reading the  postings since  a long time   because we
 were always interested in a SM.

 In the process of purchasing  we got very much advise from
 the forum and especially would like to thank Bill&Judy
 from BeeBee,  Bob Rossi and Olivier Beauté for their help
 and support.

 Yin Yang is flying Austrian Flag and currently berthed in
 Almerimar, Spain. We plan to cruise the Costa Blanca, the
 Balearic islands and Sardinia this summer and leave the boat
 in Monastir, Tunisia for wintering.

 Suggestions concerning this route are always welcome!

 Looking foreward to being a member of the forum.



 Best regards from cold Vienna
 


 Leo and Margaret

 Von meinem iPad gesendet





 



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Leopold Hauer

#19910

New Super Maramu Owner

We bought SM#69 „Yin Yang“ in  October 2014  but have been reading the  postings since  a long time   because we were always interested in a SM.
In the process of purchasing  we got very much advise from the forum and especially would like to thank Bill&Judy from BeeBee,  Bob Rossi and Olivier Beauté for their help and support.
Yin Yang is flying Austrian Flag and currently berthed in Almerimar, Spain. We plan to cruise the Costa Blanca, the Balearic islands and Sardinia this summer and leave the boat in Monastir, Tunisia for wintering.
Suggestions concerning this route are always welcome!
Looking foreward to being a member of the forum.

Best regards from cold Vienna

Leo and Margaret
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19909

Paul,
For me to post the photos you need to send them to my personal email
Kimberlite@optonline.net
The yahoo site will not allow photos to be sent directly to the group.
Please send me the photos to me and I will post them for you.
Fair Winds
Eric

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-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:45 PM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Eric
Here are the photos. I am having problems posting them to the Amel site.
Could you do this for me.
We are heading south next week. Sorry we'll miss you Thanks Paul & Susan
LaFrance SV NOMAD SM #362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 13:48:33 -0500
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Paul,Could you send me a photo?Kimberlite@optonline.net.Will you be in SXM
march 18 and on?Fair WindsEricKimberlite SM 376  From:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch   We recently repaired our
engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston
lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM
we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just
starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed
this new development. 
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They
installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was
$750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics
when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19908

Paul,
There were no photos attached.
Fair Winds
Eric

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-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:45 PM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Eric
Here are the photos. I am having problems posting them to the Amel site.
Could you do this for me.
We are heading south next week. Sorry we'll miss you Thanks Paul & Susan
LaFrance SV NOMAD SM #362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 13:48:33 -0500
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Paul,Could you send me a photo?Kimberlite@optonline.net.Will you be in SXM
march 18 and on?Fair WindsEricKimberlite SM 376  From:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch   We recently repaired our
engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston
lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM
we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just
starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed
this new development. 
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They
installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was
$750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics
when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>

#19907

Eric
Here are the photos. I am having problems posting them to the Amel site. Could you do this for me.
We are heading south next week. Sorry we'll miss you
Thanks
Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 13:48:33 -0500
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Paul,Could you send me a photo?Kimberlite@optonline.net.Will you be in SXM march 18 and on?Fair WindsEricKimberlite SM 376  From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch   We recently repaired our engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed this new development.
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was $750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#19906

Paul,

Could you send me a photo?

Kimberlite@....

Will you be in SXM march 18 and on?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

We recently repaired our engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed this new development.
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was $750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#19905

Paul,

Yes, this will happen on all Super Maramus that the engine hatch is used frequently...in our case, daily use. The stainless steel mount for the strut is too small. Adding a piece of larger piece of stainless will stop the bump.

If anyone is in Turkey, I had Riza do this to BeBe. I do not remember the cost, but I do not think it was more than 250 to 300 Euro.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

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On Feb 8, 2015 9:06 AM, "pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We recently repaired our engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed this new development.
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was $750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362

Engine Door Hatch

pflafrance@...

#19904

We recently repaired our engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed this new development.
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was $750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362