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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Arc for solarpanels and dinghy

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Peter
You can buy it from Emek Marina, Riza, Göcek, Turkey. He can send it worldwide (Out of the box)
Can provide you his adress if needed
Regards
Hanspeter
SM16, Tamango 2
Fethiye, Turkey
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 12.02.2015 um 08:23 schrieb "mausi@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello,

some days ago I have seen a photo of Be-Be with a nice arc on the back (and Bill standing on the gangway). I would like to add a similar arc too. Do we have blueprints for an arc like this or is there a source where this arc can be bought out of the box?

Best,
Peter


Arc for solarpanels and dinghy

Peter
 

Hello,

some days ago I have seen a photo of Be-Be with a nice arc on the back (and Bill standing on the gangway). I would like to add a similar arc too. Do we have blueprints for an arc like this or is there a source where this arc can be bought out of the box?

Best,
Peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Miami Boat Show, Strictly Sail

karkauai
 

I'd love to be there Joel, still haven't seen a 55 up close yet.  Unfortunately I'm still up to my neck in electrical and engine/drive issues.  Making slow but steady progress and learning a lot about my boat.  Still a newbie after 6 years...
Thanks again for all your help on this forum and with my problems in particular.  When I finally get down to Ft L I'd like to treat you to dinner or a cocktail.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Vela jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Amel Yacht Owners Group,
We are forwarding a press release that you can also find on AMEL'S website.  We hope to see you at the Miami Boat Show on RENAISSANCE, our North American Demonstration boat.
All the best Joel & Vela

Strictly Sail Miami Boat Show - 12 - 16 February

AMEL 55 Cabriolet will be exhibited from 12 to 16 February at the Strictly Sail Miami boat show.

STRICTLY SAIL MIAMI AT MIAMARINA AT BAYSIDE

400 Biscayne Blvd - Miami, FL  33132
open daily 10 AM to 6 PM

Link to the boat show website :

http://www.miamiboatshow.com/show-info

For more information, please contact our local agent: 

Joel F. Potter Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC, ph.: +1 954 462 5869, email : jfpottercys@...

AMEL contact at the show too :  Antoine Rioton, Sales manager, ph. +33.682.55.98.80, email : commercial@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Eric Freedman
 

Kent,

I used to build race engines, was an electrical engineer- that coupled with being a Jeweler—it is a curse as I look at everything with a jewelers eye.

 

With respect to the senders, I have had to replace a few over the last 12 years on my Amel.

 

I also rebuilt my tartan 37 from the through hulls up with my own hands.

Every nut bolt and screw was replaced on that boat, electrical, plumbing, rigging, engine,(the non turbo of our model) ,everything was replaced. It is the feature boat in the Tartan-37 Book about 30% of the pages are of my old Kimberlite.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

How do you know all this stuff, Eric?  You guys never cease to amaze me.  Great info, thanks.  I'll call them tomorrow.

Kent


On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:26 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If my memory serves me correctly the gauges with the dual pole sensors that I have are made my VDO. I am sure you can remove the oil pressure sender and on the base of the sender there is a nut built into it. If you look carefully it will have the pressure range that the sender is for. You can pick this up at any auto parts store with dual leads. The threads are USA npt.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 2:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Wow, I haven't even had a chance to look for them yet!  Thanks Derick.  I'll check it out later this evening.

Bill finds his part number and Derick finds it for me!!!  Y'all are amazing !

 

Bill, what Yanmar do you have?  I'm guessing it's the 100 HP originally installed by Amel?  I have to make sure it'll work on my 4JH4HTE.  Now only six more sensors and an isolated alternator and I'm golden.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:31 AM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Ebay has one of Bill's two lead sender unit parts at:

 

YANMAR 126630-91560 SENDER UNIT 119773-91520

 

Derick

 

SM2K#400 Brava

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

How do you know all this stuff, Eric?  You guys never cease to amaze me.  Great info, thanks.  I'll call them tomorrow.
Kent


On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:26 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If my memory serves me correctly the gauges with the dual pole sensors that I have are made my VDO. I am sure you can remove the oil pressure sender and on the base of the sender there is a nut built into it. If you look carefully it will have the pressure range that the sender is for. You can pick this up at any auto parts store with dual leads. The threads are USA npt.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 2:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Wow, I haven't even had a chance to look for them yet!  Thanks Derick.  I'll check it out later this evening.

Bill finds his part number and Derick finds it for me!!!  Y'all are amazing !

 

Bill, what Yanmar do you have?  I'm guessing it's the 100 HP originally installed by Amel?  I have to make sure it'll work on my 4JH4HTE.  Now only six more sensors and an isolated alternator and I'm golden.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:31 AM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Ebay has one of Bill's two lead sender unit parts at:

 

YANMAR 126630-91560 SENDER UNIT 119773-91520

 

Derick

 

SM2K#400 Brava

 


 


Miami Boat Show, Strictly Sail

amelforme
 

Dear Amel Yacht Owners Group,
We are forwarding a press release that you can also find on AMEL'S website.  We hope to see you at the Miami Boat Show on RENAISSANCE, our North American Demonstration boat.
All the best Joel & Vela

Strictly Sail Miami Boat Show - 12 - 16 February

AMEL 55 Cabriolet will be exhibited from 12 to 16 February at the Strictly Sail Miami boat show.

STRICTLY SAIL MIAMI AT MIAMARINA AT BAYSIDE

400 Biscayne Blvd - Miami, FL  33132
open daily 10 AM to 6 PM

Link to the boat show website :

http://www.miamiboatshow.com/show-info

For more information, please contact our local agent: 

Joel F. Potter Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC, ph.: +1 954 462 5869, email : jfpottercys@...

AMEL contact at the show too :  Antoine Rioton, Sales manager, ph. +33.682.55.98.80, email : commercial@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Eric Freedman
 

Check with Mack boring – the yanmar distributors for the northeast USA.

1-800-mack eng.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 7:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Thank you Eric.  I thought that had to be the case, but the guru at Mastry (the U.S. Yanmar contact) has told my electrical engineer that no isolated sensors  are available.  They must be made by someone other than Yanmar.

If anyone knows where to get them, please let me know.

Thanks again,

Kent



On Feb 10, 2015, at 8:36 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

The Yanmar and Onan have a separate Negative from the rest of the boat as they have a separate battery. I have not looked at the 12 alternator but the negative lead from the start battery is only connected to my boat when the engine starts. Yes, isolated ground senders are available as I have them on my engine, if you have separate oil and temp gauges, they are also available with an isolated ground.

Sorry I am not on the boat to send you photos.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Hi Eric,

I haven't gotten an answer from Yanmar.  Have been told to take the boat to Wards Electric in Ft Lauderdale.  Do you know if it's possible to get isolated sensors, starter, and alternator for Yanmar engines?  Olivier says I can leave it as is and add a galvanic isolator.  I will also add a hull potential meter so I can monitor for leaks.

Kent


On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:46 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

The sensors for the Yamaha should all be isolated ground sensors with 2 wires on each. If your sensors have one wire they use the block as a ground ( battery -) and are the wrong sensors. Amel did a lot to isolate the engine from the DC negative.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

I'm still not sure how to connect the electrical systems of my non-isolated Yanmar 4JH4HTE to avoid electrolytic issues in the future.  The consensus here seems to be that the bonding system should have no connections to the 220, 24, or 12V grounds.  The starter, 12V alternator, and sensors (temp, oil pressure, etc) are grounded to the engine block.  I'm still checking with Yanmar to see if isolated starter, alternator, and sensors are available, but I don't think they are...so I can't isolate the engine block (and thus the Cdrive) from the bonding system without having a connection to the 12V battery negative post.
Should I leave the engine connected to both the bonding system and the 12V negative pole (thus leaving the transmission and Cdrive connected through the engine)?

I've looked for a bonding wire to the generator, and don't see one.  I remember Eric's description of the genset as having a "floating ground" (or something like that, can't find it now).  Does that mean that the generator is not connected to the bonding system?  If so, then the small zinc in the raw water system is all that is protecting the generator from galvanic (or electrolytic) damage?

Going bald,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Eric Freedman
 

If my memory serves me correctly the gauges with the dual pole sensors that I have are made my VDO. I am sure you can remove the oil pressure sender and on the base of the sender there is a nut built into it. If you look carefully it will have the pressure range that the sender is for. You can pick this up at any auto parts store with dual leads. The threads are USA npt.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 2:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Wow, I haven't even had a chance to look for them yet!  Thanks Derick.  I'll check it out later this evening.

Bill finds his part number and Derick finds it for me!!!  Y'all are amazing !

 

Bill, what Yanmar do you have?  I'm guessing it's the 100 HP originally installed by Amel?  I have to make sure it'll work on my 4JH4HTE.  Now only six more sensors and an isolated alternator and I'm golden.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:31 AM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Ebay has one of Bill's two lead sender unit parts at:

 

YANMAR 126630-91560 SENDER UNIT 119773-91520

 

Derick

 

SM2K#400 Brava

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

BeBe is a 2003 SM #387 with a 100hp Turbo Yanmar Model 4JH3-HTE, Sn# E21642

Bill
BeBe

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wow, I haven't even had a chance to look for them yet!  Thanks Derick.  I'll check it out later this evening.
Bill finds his part number and Derick finds it for me!!!  Y'all are amazing !

Bill, what Yanmar do you have?  I'm guessing it's the 100 HP originally installed by Amel?  I have to make sure it'll work on my 4JH4HTE.  Now only six more sensors and an isolated alternator and I'm golden.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:31 AM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Ebay has one of Bill's two lead sender unit parts at:

 

YANMAR 126630-91560 SENDER UNIT 119773-91520

 

Derick

 

SM2K#400 Brava

 


 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Hi again, all,
I'm looking at my charger/inverter again to figure out just how it's connected.  I'm a bit confused by the selector switch that chooses 220AC from shore power over the inverter.  It's marked K2 on the electrical schematics.  I'm guessing that it is the pass-through switch that's integral to the inverter?
Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 12:23 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

The original sensor was 2 wire as well as the new one.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Bill,
Yes, the electrical schematics for the Yanmar show the sensors grounded where they screw into the block, and they indeed have only one wire.

Was your old sensor also a two wire isolated one?  I guess your gauges/idiot lights continued to work properly with the new sensor?  The mechanic at my yard says that if you change sensors, you often have to change gauges, too.

I'll have a look at the part you cite and see what I can find out.  Wish I could get an answer from Yanmar that makes sense.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." htowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 
Kent,

When I was in Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela about 7 or 8 years ago, I bought a new oil pressure sensor from the Yanmar distributor there. It had two wire terminal and I believe it was Yanmar part number 119773-91520. 

I am thinking that all Yanmar replacement sensors/senders are two terminal types which probably are isolated ground.

I cannot find where Yanmar makes 2 different sensors/senders...only one, and I am 99% sure it is 2 wire. And, I believe that since Yanmar does understand isolated grounding, these 2 wire sensors are isolated ground.

Did you check your sensors for 1 wire or 2 wires?

I hope this helps, more than it confuses.

Bill
BeBe 387


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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Thank you Eric.  I thought that had to be the case, but the guru at Mastry (the U.S. Yanmar contact) has told my electrical engineer that no isolated sensors  are available.  They must be made by someone other than Yanmar.
If anyone knows where to get them, please let me know.
Thanks again,
Kent


On Feb 10, 2015, at 8:36 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Kent,
The Yanmar and Onan have a separate Negative from the rest of the boat as they have a separate battery. I have not looked at the 12 alternator but the negative lead from the start battery is only connected to my boat when the engine starts. Yes, isolated ground senders are available as I have them on my engine, if you have separate oil and temp gauges, they are also available with an isolated ground.
Sorry I am not on the boat to send you photos.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyach towners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
 
 
Hi Eric,
I haven't gotten an answer from Yanmar.  Have been told to take the boat to Wards Electric in Ft Lauderdale.  Do you know if it's possible to get isolated sensors, starter, and alternator for Yanmar engines?  Olivier says I can leave it as is and add a galvanic isolator.  I will also add a hull pote ntial meter so I can monitor for leaks.
Kent


On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:46 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent,
The sensors for the Yamaha should all be isolated ground sensors with 2 wires on each. If your sensors have one wire they use the block as a ground ( battery -) and are the wrong sensors. Amel did a lot to isolate the engine from the DC negative.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
 
 
I'm still not sure how to connect the electrical systems of my non-isolated Yanmar 4JH4HTE to avoid electrolytic issues in the future.  The consensus here seems to be that the bonding system should have no connections to the 220, 24, or 12V grounds.  The starter, 12V alternator, and sensors (temp, oil pressure, etc) are grounded to the engine block.  I'm still checking with Yanmar to see if isolated starter, alternator, and sensors are available, but I don't think they are...so I can't isolate the engine block (and thus the Cdrive) from the bonding system without having a connection to the 12V battery negative post.
Should I leave the engine connected to both the bonding system and the 12V negative pole (thus leaving the transmission and Cdrive connected through the engine)?

I've looked for a bonding wire to the generator, and don't see one.  I remember Eric's description of the genset as having a "floating ground" (or something like that, can't find it now).  Does that mean that the generator is not connected to the bonding system?  If so, then the small zinc in the raw water system is all that is protecting the generator from galvanic (or electrolytic) damage?

Going bald,
Kent
SM243
Kristy





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Wow, I haven't even had a chance to look for them yet!  Thanks Derick.  I'll check it out later this evening.
Bill finds his part number and Derick finds it for me!!!  Y'all are amazing !

Bill, what Yanmar do you have?  I'm guessing it's the 100 HP originally installed by Amel?  I have to make sure it'll work on my 4JH4HTE.  Now only six more sensors and an isolated alternator and I'm golden.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:31 AM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Ebay has one of Bill's two lead sender unit parts at:

 

YANMAR 126630-91560 SENDER UNIT 119773-91520

 

Derick

 

SM2K#400 Brava

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 engine room airflow fan problem

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I would suspect the fan relay first. These are normally mounted on the engine. 

Follow this link to the Yanmar relays, etc. This photo will give you an idea of what you are looking for:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1897410048/lightbox/1547195149?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/1547195149

I believe (99% sure) that this troubleshooting routine will work for you:
There will be 2 IN wires and 2 OUT wires. Check to see that you have 12VDC on both sides when the engine start switch is turned ON. If not, you found your problem.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Leopold Hauer leopold.hauer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ron

I had the same problem on my Super Maramu. The reason was a lose wire on the backside of the engine controll panel.

Leo SM#69 Yin Yang

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 11.02.2015 um 17:02 schrieb ronheyselaar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi All,


I've an issue with both airflow fans (running when the Volvo Penta engine is running) not running. The generator exhaust fan is running perfectly fine but the main engine fans (in and out) for the air circulation in the engine room are not working.


The main switches in the junction box are both on and the wiring looks OK (i.e., no burns, corrosion, not hot, etc.). Actually it all looks like new.


The electrical diagrams of the 54 as issued by La Rochelle are a bit vague so not much help. It mainly shows that the fans are activated once the starter motor of the main engine is activated.


Before getting an expensive electrician trying to figure out how the whole system is wired and than repair it, I wonder whether somebody had a similar problem and, if so, how this was solved.


All the best from Barbados (here to get our US visa for our US East Coast adventure later in the year).


Ron, SY LILY Amel 54 #157



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

The original sensor was 2 wire as well as the new one.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Bill,
Yes, the electrical schematics for the Yanmar show the sensors grounded where they screw into the block, and they indeed have only one wire.

Was your old sensor also a two wire isolated one?  I guess your gauges/idiot lights continued to work properly with the new sensor?  The mechanic at my yard says that if you change sensors, you often have to change gauges, too.

I'll have a look at the part you cite and see what I can find out.  Wish I could get an answer from Yanmar that makes sense.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." htowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 
Kent,

When I was in Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela about 7 or 8 years ago, I bought a new oil pressure sensor from the Yanmar distributor there. It had two wire terminal and I believe it was Yanmar part number 119773-91520. 

I am thinking that all Yanmar replacement sensors/senders are two terminal types which probably are isolated ground.

I cannot find where Yanmar makes 2 different sensors/senders...only one, and I am 99% sure it is 2 wire. And, I believe that since Yanmar does understand isolated grounding, these 2 wire sensors are isolated ground.

Did you check your sensors for 1 wire or 2 wires?

I hope this helps, more than it confuses.

Bill
BeBe 387


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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Thank you Eric.  I thought that had to be the case, but the guru at Mastry (the U.S. Yanmar contact) has told my electrical engineer that no isolated sensors  are available.  They must be made by someone other than Yanmar.
If anyone knows where to get them, please let me know.
Thanks again,
Kent


On Feb 10, 2015, at 8:36 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Kent,
The Yanmar and Onan have a separate Negative from the rest of the boat as they have a separate battery. I have not looked at the 12 alternator but the negative lead from the start battery is only connected to my boat when the engine starts. Yes, isolated ground senders are available as I have them on my engine, if you have separate oil and temp gauges, they are also available with an isolated ground.
Sorry I am not on the boat to send you photos.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyach towners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
 
 
Hi Eric,
I haven't gotten an answer from Yanmar.  Have been told to take the boat to Wards Electric in Ft Lauderdale.  Do you know if it's possible to get isolated sensors, starter, and alternator for Yanmar engines?  Olivier says I can leave it as is and add a galvanic isolator.  I will also add a hull pote ntial meter so I can monitor for leaks.
Kent


On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:46 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent,
The sensors for the Yamaha should all be isolated ground sensors with 2 wires on each. If your sensors have one wire they use the block as a ground ( battery -) and are the wrong sensors. Amel did a lot to isolate the engine from the DC negative.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
 
 
I'm still not sure how to connect the electrical systems of my non-isolated Yanmar 4JH4HTE to avoid electrolytic issues in the future.  The consensus here seems to be that the bonding system should have no connections to the 220, 24, or 12V grounds.  The starter, 12V alternator, and sensors (temp, oil pressure, etc) are grounded to the engine block.  I'm still checking with Yanmar to see if isolated starter, alternator, and sensors are available, but I don't think they are...so I can't isolate the engine block (and thus the Cdrive) from the bonding system without having a connection to the 12V battery negative post.
Should I leave the engine connected to both the bonding system and the 12V negative pole (thus leaving the transmission and Cdrive connected through the engine)?

I've looked for a bonding wire to the generator, and don't see one.  I remember Eric's description of the genset as having a "floating ground" (or something like that, can't find it now).  Does that mean that the generator is not connected to the bonding system?  If so, then the small zinc in the raw water system is all that is protecting the generator from galvanic (or electrolytic) damage?

Going bald,
Kent
SM243
Kristy





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 engine room airflow fan problem

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi Ron

I had the same problem on my Super Maramu. The reason was a lose wire on the backside of the engine controll panel.

Leo SM#69 Yin Yang

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Am 11.02.2015 um 17:02 schrieb ronheyselaar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi All,


I've an issue with both airflow fans (running when the Volvo Penta engine is running) not running. The generator exhaust fan is running perfectly fine but the main engine fans (in and out) for the air circulation in the engine room are not working.


The main switches in the junction box are both on and the wiring looks OK (i.e., no burns, corrosion, not hot, etc.). Actually it all looks like new.


The electrical diagrams of the 54 as issued by La Rochelle are a bit vague so not much help. It mainly shows that the fans are activated once the starter motor of the main engine is activated.


Before getting an expensive electrician trying to figure out how the whole system is wired and than repair it, I wonder whether somebody had a similar problem and, if so, how this was solved.


All the best from Barbados (here to get our US visa for our US East Coast adventure later in the year).


Ron, SY LILY Amel 54 #157


Re: Amel 54 engine room airflow fan problem

ESTELLER
 

Hi Ron. I never had this problem with ORION (54 hull 108) but I had it with SM 2000.

Did you check the fans by directly feeding their motors?

In my SM the two fans had the motors out of service.

Regards

 

José Esteller

Expert près la Cour d'Appel de Montpellier (H)

Expert près la Cour Administrative d'Appel de Marseille

Professeur à l'Institut de la Construction et l'Habitat (ICH)

Tel +33467844519 Fax +33467844521

jose.esteller@...

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Kent,

 

Ebay has one of Bill's two lead sender unit parts at:

 

YANMAR 126630-91560 SENDER UNIT 119773-91520

 

Derick

 

SM2K#400 Brava

 


 


Amel 54 engine room airflow fan problem

ronheyselaar@...
 

Hi All,


I've an issue with both airflow fans (running when the Volvo Penta engine is running) not running. The generator exhaust fan is running perfectly fine but the main engine fans (in and out) for the air circulation in the engine room are not working.


The main switches in the junction box are both on and the wiring looks OK (i.e., no burns, corrosion, not hot, etc.). Actually it all looks like new.


The electrical diagrams of the 54 as issued by La Rochelle are a bit vague so not much help. It mainly shows that the fans are activated once the starter motor of the main engine is activated.


Before getting an expensive electrician trying to figure out how the whole system is wired and than repair it, I wonder whether somebody had a similar problem and, if so, how this was solved.


All the best from Barbados (here to get our US visa for our US East Coast adventure later in the year).


Ron, SY LILY Amel 54 #157


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Thanks, Bill,
Yes, the electrical schematics for the Yanmar show the sensors grounded where they screw into the block, and they indeed have only one wire.

Was your old sensor also a two wire isolated one?  I guess your gauges/idiot lights continued to work properly with the new sensor?  The mechanic at my yard says that if you change sensors, you often have to change gauges, too.

I'll have a look at the part you cite and see what I can find out.  Wish I could get an answer from Yanmar that makes sense.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 
Kent,

When I was in Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela about 7 or 8 years ago, I bought a new oil pressure sensor from the Yanmar distributor there. It had two wire terminal and I believe it was Yanmar part number 119773-91520. 

I am thinking that all Yanmar replacement sensors/senders are two terminal types which probably are isolated ground.

I cannot find where Yanmar makes 2 different sensors/senders...only one, and I am 99% sure it is 2 wire. And, I believe that since Yanmar does understand isolated grounding, these 2 wire sensors are isolated ground.

Did you check your sensors for 1 wire or 2 wires?

I hope this helps, more than it confuses.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Thank you Eric.  I thought that had to be the case, but the guru at Mastry (the U.S. Yanmar contact) has told my electrical engineer that no isolated sensors  are available.  They must be made by someone other than Yanmar.
If anyone knows where to get them, please let me know.
Thanks again,
Kent


On Feb 10, 2015, at 8:36 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Kent,
The Yanmar and Onan have a separate Negative from the rest of the boat as they have a separate battery. I have not looked at the 12 alternator but the negative lead from the start battery is only connected to my boat when the engine starts. Yes, isolated ground senders are available as I have them on my engine, if you have separate oil and temp gauges, they are also available with an isolated ground.
Sorry I am not on the boat to send you photos.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
 
 
Hi Eric,
I haven't gotten an answer from Yanmar.  Have been told to take the boat to Wards Electric in Ft Lauderdale.  Do you know if it's possible to get isolated sensors, starter, and alternator for Yanmar engines?  Olivier says I can leave it as is and add a galvanic isolator.  I will also add a hull potential meter so I can monitor for leaks.
Kent


On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:46 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent,
The sensors for the Yamaha should all be isolated ground sensors with 2 wires on each. If your sensors have one wire they use the block as a ground ( battery -) and are the wrong sensors. Amel did a lot to isolate the engine from the DC negative.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
 
 
I'm still not sure how to connect the electrical systems of my non-isolated Yanmar 4JH4HTE to avoid electrolytic issues in the future.  The consensus here seems to be that the bonding system should have no connections to the 220, 24, or 12V grounds.  The starter, 12V alternator, and sensors (temp, oil pressure, etc) are grounded to the engine block.  I'm still checking with Yanmar to see if isolated starter, alternator, and sensors are available, but I don't think they are...so I can't isolate the engine block (and thus the Cdrive) from the bonding system without having a connection to the 12V battery negative post.
Should I leave the engine connected to both the bonding system and the 12V negative pole (thus leaving the transmission and Cdrive connected through the engine)?

I've looked for a bonding wire to the generator, and don't see one.  I remember Eric's description of the genset as having a "floating ground" (or something like that, can't find it now).  Does that mean that the generator is not connected to the bonding system?  If so, then the small zinc in the raw water system is all that is protecting the generator from galvanic (or electrolytic) damage?

Going bald,
Kent
SM243
Kristy




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

When I was in Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela about 7 or 8 years ago, I bought a new oil pressure sensor from the Yanmar distributor there. It had two wire terminal and I believe it was Yanmar part number 119773-91520. 

I am thinking that all Yanmar replacement sensors/senders are two terminal types which probably are isolated ground.

I cannot find where Yanmar makes 2 different sensors/senders...only one, and I am 99% sure it is 2 wire. And, I believe that since Yanmar does understand isolated grounding, these 2 wire sensors are isolated ground.

Did you check your sensors for 1 wire or 2 wires?

I hope this helps, more than it confuses.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Eric.  I thought that had to be the case, but the guru at Mastry (the U.S. Yanmar contact) has told my electrical engineer that no isolated sensors  are available.  They must be made by someone other than Yanmar.
If anyone knows where to get them, please let me know.
Thanks again,
Kent


On Feb 10, 2015, at 8:36 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

The Yanmar and Onan have a separate Negative from the rest of the boat as they have a separate battery. I have not looked at the 12 alternator but the negative lead from the start battery is only connected to my boat when the engine starts. Yes, isolated ground senders are available as I have them on my engine, if you have separate oil and temp gauges, they are also available with an isolated ground.

Sorry I am not on the boat to send you photos.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Hi Eric,

I haven't gotten an answer from Yanmar.  Have been told to take the boat to Wards Electric in Ft Lauderdale.  Do you know if it's possible to get isolated sensors, starter, and alternator for Yanmar engines?  Olivier says I can leave it as is and add a galvanic isolator.  I will also add a hull potential meter so I can monitor for leaks.

Kent


On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:46 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

The sensors for the Yamaha should all be isolated ground sensors with 2 wires on each. If your sensors have one wire they use the block as a ground ( battery -) and are the wrong sensors. Amel did a lot to isolate the engine from the DC negative.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

I'm still not sure how to connect the electrical systems of my non-isolated Yanmar 4JH4HTE to avoid electrolytic issues in the future.  The consensus here seems to be that the bonding system should have no connections to the 220, 24, or 12V grounds.  The starter, 12V alternator, and sensors (temp, oil pressure, etc) are grounded to the engine block.  I'm still checking with Yanmar to see if isolated starter, alternator, and sensors are available, but I don't think they are...so I can't isolate the engine block (and thus the Cdrive) from the bonding system without having a connection to the 12V battery negative post.
Should I leave the engine connected to both the bonding system and the 12V negative pole (thus leaving the transmission and Cdrive connected through the engine)?

I've looked for a bonding wire to the generator, and don't see one.  I remember Eric's description of the genset as having a "floating ground" (or something like that, can't find it now).  Does that mean that the generator is not connected to the bonding system?  If so, then the small zinc in the raw water system is all that is protecting the generator from galvanic (or electrolytic) damage?

Going bald,
Kent
SM243
Kristy



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric & All,

When Emek Marin (Riza) did this for BeBe in Turkey, they:
  1. Did one side at a time with the hatch remaining in place
  2. Pulled back the foam
  3. Removed the Amel attaching plate from the strut and the lid
  4. Cut a stainless steel plate about the size shown, but it had about 20 holes drilled through it
  5. Glued the plate into position with enough glue that some came through the drilled holes
  6. Attached the original Amel attaching plate to the new stainless steel plate (I did not see how exactly this was done, but I think they used the same bolts or slightly longer bolts that went through the new plate to the lid
  7. Reattached everything. Used some contact cement to re-glue the foam.
  8. The glue that they used was already set and the Amel attaching plate bolts through the new stainless steel plate held everything in place. The job took less than two hours total
If you are doing this job, have a bump, and have not replaced the struts, now is the time to replace them. Price about $50 each...probably available from Amel, or an automobile parts store (bring the old strut with you). They are 400N (the force of the strut piston) and all of the dimensions, including the size of the connection points are important.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:35 AM, 'Giovanni Testa' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Eric,
many thanks for photos.
Yes, you are right, may be better to have some more infos from Nomad about the job.
Any way thanks so much to both for kind support
All the best
Giovanni
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

 

Hi Giovanni,

I posted them thanks to nomad under the Kimberlite photos.
It would be nice if Paul would describe what was done as the photos confuse me .

I do not know if they built up the fiberglass under the plate. I wonder if the plate is stainless. I also notice that the edge molding was removed. I wonder if it would have been possible to make a precision cut into it to insert the

Plate.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 3:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

 

Hi Eric,

sorry, do you have received and posted the engine roon hatch works photos ?...same problems!

Thanks K

all the best and Buon Vento

Giovanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM2K 428

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:48 PM

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

 

Paul,
For me to post the photos you need to send them to my personal email
Kimberlite@...
The yahoo site will not allow photos to be sent directly to the group.
Please send me the photos to me and I will post them for you.
Fair Winds
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:45 PM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Eric
Here are the photos. I am having problems posting them to the Amel site.
Could you do this for me.
We are heading south next week. Sorry we'll miss you Thanks Paul & Susan
LaFrance SV NOMAD SM #362

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 13:48:33 -0500
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch

Paul,Could you send me a photo?Kimberlite@... you be in SXM
march 18 and on?Fair WindsEricKimberlite SM 376 From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Door Hatch We recently repaired our
engine hatch cover. It was exhibiting a bump at one of the hydraulic piston
lifting points on the engine cover. We have noticed this on other Amels SM
we have been on at both sides of the cover. Fortunately ours was just
starting to show. We had replaced the pistons 3 years ago and just noticed
this new development.
We have since had this repaired in St Martin By Custom Boat Works. They
installed SS piece to spread the load out more from the struts. The cost was
$750 USD. The bump is slowly receding to the flat level. Wewill post pics
when we have figured out how to do it to this site.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD # 362




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