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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Interior Upholstery

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The best advice I can give any new owner of an Amel is don't change anything that Amel did until you have a year onboard your Amel. Chances are your idea to change something will not look as good to you after a year.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 24, 2015 9:12 AM, "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Chris,

 

Yes, the saloon table in the picture drops down.  There is an electric switch in the lower left of the photo of the table that activates an up-down electric motor.  The telescoping pedestal is actually a surgical table pedestal installed by the previous owner. The table lowers onto two horizonal supports that are added on demand that run between the benches containing the chest type refrigerator/freezers.  After placing the additional cushions on the table surface it does make for a spacious "pad" - ideal for sleeping or watching TV.  The previous owners' 4 year old daughter used it as a play area and hosted many a sleepover on it. 

 

Re: cockpit sleeping: when my sister sails with me she prefers to sleep in the cockpit, despite there being plenty of berths available. Chacun a son gout, as the French say.

 

Derick

 

SM2k #400 Brava

Currently in Sapphire Beach Marina, St. Thomas USVI

 


Re: Interior Upholstery

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Chris,

 

Yes, the saloon table in the picture drops down.  There is an electric switch in the lower left of the photo of the table that activates an up-down electric motor.  The telescoping pedestal is actually a surgical table pedestal installed by the previous owner. The table lowers onto two horizonal supports that are added on demand that run between the benches containing the chest type refrigerator/freezers.  After placing the additional cushions on the table surface it does make for a spacious "pad" - ideal for sleeping or watching TV.  The previous owners' 4 year old daughter used it as a play area and hosted many a sleepover on it. 

 

Re: cockpit sleeping: when my sister sails with me she prefers to sleep in the cockpit, despite there being plenty of berths available. Chacun a son gout, as the French say.

 

Derick

 

SM2k #400 Brava

Currently in Sapphire Beach Marina, St. Thomas USVI

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Banging main furler foil without a sail.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Get your sailmaker to make you a triangle piece of sail with a boltrope on the bottom and grommets in each corner. Feed the boltrope into the foil, attach the main halyard to the top grommet, add a piece of line to the bottom grommet to pull it down, and add a piece of line to the back corner.

Raise it up about half way, secure the downhaul, and tighten the backhaul toward the mizzen.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 10:56 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

No one posted this problem but I always found it very annoying when I am having my main sail repaired. The foil bangs around in the mast.

To alleviate this noise I finally came up with a good solution.

 

I lower the swivel to the bottom and run the largest diameter line that will fit  into the swivel.

I then raise the swivel to the top of the mast and rotate the foil while standing as far from the mast as possible. The line wraps around the foil making a bumper sort of arrangement.

The more line you have the better the bumper.

It is then quite silent.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu blisters

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

I had Osmosis on my previous boat and did the job correctly.. as you seem to have done also.. and then applied 4 coats of Coppercoat.

One aspect I would be careful with is the area of through hulls.  My "new to me" SM has a hard antifoul ring around each through hull (before 5 coats of Coppercoat) to ensure there is no stray voltages due to the Coppercoat conductivity.

Coppercoat recommend 4 coats 

Good luck
 
On 24 Feb 2015, at 12:52, Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

On my Sharki,  blisters were treated in 2012.  I have the boat out of the water for general maintenance right now. I'm sanding the bottom and and will be using Copper coat as the bottom paint.  That said, Copper Coat is a two part epoxy with ground copper as the leaching agent.  I figure with the bottom being treated for osmosis and the addition of Copper Coat I get double the protection from blistering. 
Just a thought.

Aras
S/V FIASCO
Sahrki #163


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: Maramu blisters

Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
 

On my Sharki,  blisters were treated in 2012.  I have the boat out of the water for general maintenance right now. I'm sanding the bottom and and will be using Copper coat as the bottom paint.  That said, Copper Coat is a two part epoxy with ground copper as the leaching agent.  I figure with the bottom being treated for osmosis and the addition of Copper Coat I get double the protection from blistering. 
Just a thought.

Aras
S/V FIASCO
Sahrki #163


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Paul Osterberg
 

I have unfortunately some experience with Osmosis, in fact two of my previous boats had osmosis.

First time I had it treated immediately I saw it. They “gently” sandblasted the bottom and after one could see numerous “craters” about 20 mm in diameter but the depth was not very deep at all, my and the yards conclusion after that was that I could have had the boat for many years without any problems at all. There was no weakening of the structure at all. The boat was treated and I had it for another 6-7 years without seeing any new blisters.

                           I bought another boat (well known type) from 1973 I think it was 2004, had it inspected for osmosis and it was declared free of osmosis, but already after the first year I saw some signs of osmosis, small like (volcanic) craters with some yellow dust on top of. At least in Sweden that I clear sign of osmosis, but you need to get close to see it. After my first experience I did not worry too much, but each year it get worse and worse and after three years you could see immediately after end season that this boat got blisters and a lot. I had a well-known professional yard looking at it and they said this was one of the worst cases they have seen. They sand blasted and washed with a lot of water the water wash is very important to take away all chemical residuals from the processes that cause the osmosis. Then the hull needs to dry out not from the wash but from all the water that had been adsorbed of the years. That can go fast or take very long time. In my case it toke ca 14 month, but usually not more than 3-6 month (Sweden not very hot and rather high humidity in the fall), my budget did not allow heated storage inside. Any conclusion from that? Well usually no problem with blisters, but if you treat it wash and dry very carefully before applying new coats of epoxy.


S/Y Kerpa


Backstay Adjuster - maramu

j.lochhead@...
 

Hi All

I have a 1984 maramu Hull# 147. I have noticed that the Backstay adjuster is corroded and starting to develop some cracking. (Not good as it is only a matter of time before it will break.)

Do most other people adjust their Backstay tension?

After talking with some local riggers all questioned if I actually use it.

I don't know if it is just me and my background in club racing on smaller keelboats, but I do make adjustments to this. Should I just relax a bit and replace it with a turnbuckle instead of lashing out?

James
Mahiti #147


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] solarpanels

Peter
 

Thank you Bill.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interior Upholstery

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Chris,

I toyed with similar ideas to yours for the dining table but as Bill said, you would be better off with good cockpit cushions.  A friend owned an SM; he and his squeeze always slept in the cockpit when underway.

They had top drawer cockpit covers made back to the mizzen and added both side covers and mosquito netting.

I went as they did… TOTMBO attracts mosquitos… !

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 24 Feb 2015, at 04:40, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I'll run that up the mast tonight and see how it flies  

Chris

 
 

On 24-02-2015 13:06, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 

Chris,

You have not spent many nights on that SM. At some point, the flopping stopped bothering us...We don't even hear it. It is not worth tampering with the table...just my opinion.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 7:54 PM, "Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 

Thanks Bill,

The bed was really for us to use when the 'plopping' at the stern became too much (Jennifer is a light sleeper) and also for more air BUT for 2400 euro might be a better proposition to get more of the upholstery done and new curtains (those concertina type)

I have asked Riza for a quote on the cockpit cushions and also for the space atop the aft cabin.

 

Cheers again
Chris

 
 
 

On 24-02-2015 12:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 

Chris,

Thanks. 

I do not think that I would try to make the dining table collapsible for another berth. If you are in a situation where all of the bunks are full, two people can sleep comfortably in the cockpit...invest in cockpit cushions instead...you will be happier.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 7:21 PM, "Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 

Yes Bill - you will not get the support under your thighs/knees will you? Yes, better to keep that bull nose.

Jennifer said to say that you and the others in the group have gone to an awful lot of trouble to guide us.

Cheers

Chris

 
 

On 24-02-2015 10:19, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 
Chris if you change the depth of that seat cushion, you will wind up with an uncomfortable seat.
 
Bill

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 

Hi Bill,

I have sent these photos through to Jennifer to show her how smart it looks. It is definitely a great facelift and looks ultra-comfortable.

With the bull nose on the front of the seat, it may not work with my plan to turn the lowered dining table into a bed and will have to think about keeping that section flat. I also hadn't thought of doing the nav seat but it would be so much better if we did.

Thanks for the extra effort you are putting in to help us out.

 

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

 
 
 

On 24-02-2015 08:31, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 
Chris,
 
Look closely at the photos. 
 
The seats and back style was changed with the "channel quilting" removed. The back also has an added interior zipper (like the seat does) which gives it that look of a pillow at the top of the back and a bull nose on the front of the seat...see photo "RF Back Detail" and "LF Seat Detail"
 
Also look at the very large circular back...it has been split into 3 pieces. Look at the photo labeled "LF Corner" and "RF Corner" which show the split. You can also see how the original seat was made by first removing the piece of foam from the backside of the seat cushion. Once removed, you will see an internal zipper which when opened reveals the bull nose piece of foam.
 
I would use UltraLeather Ivory also. Tomorrow I am going to visit their distributor in Houston, I will try to get a sample that I can mail to you.
 
Bill
BeBe

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 

Thank you Bill,

I asked Riza to use the UltraLeather Ivory on our refit with the memory foam layer and to also make up a 2 section insert for the dining table when we drop it down to a bed. Getting really excited about the things we are doing and can't wait to get over there at the beginning of May.

 

Cheers
Chris Flack
HemeraSm031

 
 

On 24-02-2015 00:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 
Chris:
 

  Ultrafabrics Europe, Ltd

19 The Warren,
East Goscote,
Leicestershire, LE7 3XA
United Kingdom

Main Phone: +44.116.260.9625
Email: ufe@...

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 

Bill, thanks you again.

This is very interesting and the Ivory does look good. Not too sure between the UltraLeather and the UltraLeather Pro.

I hope Riza is able to source it for me.

I hope your folk up there are starting to thaw out.

 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

 
 

On 23-02-2015 11:18, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 
Chris,
 
Alcantara and Ultrasuede are two of the best known brands for a fabric that has a polyester fiber electrostatically glued to a base cloth. The result is a fabric that looks like a perfect leather suede. There are many qualities and prices. I am not sure which brand Amel used on the SM 2000.
 
Polyester fiber is easily cleaned with soap and water, but will also take alcohol type cleaners for tough grease stains. Polyurethane coated fabrics are harder to stain, will clean with soap and water and you need to test alcohol or petroleum-based cleaners need to be tested on Polyrethane, because they may dull the luster. 
 
If I were changing, I would probably use Ultraleather™ Color Ivory https://www.ultrafabricsllc.com/Site/Swatch/30/ 
<<>> Ultraleather™ Pro Color Swan https://www.ultrafabricsllc.com/Site/Swatch/597/
 
I will upload a few photos of the interior of SM ARAMIS...hopefully the owner will not mind. It is beautiful!
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 
 

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 

Hi Bill,

I didn't know your past history but your advice is again, invaluable. 

Is the polyester microfiber fabric that Amel use the Alcantara? Does the Ultraleather clean up well from possible grease and stains?

Some photos and details of what you have described would be great thank you. The idea of the memory foam would add even greater comfort. We are also looking at turning the thinking table into a drop down and making it into another big comfortable bed when the 'plopping' gets too much or we have more visitors.

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

 

On 23-02-2015 01:52, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
 

As some of you know, I was in the furniture manufacturing business for many years. This is something I know a little about.

If I were reupholstering the salon and did not want to use the polyester microfiber fabric that Amel used in SMs, my next choice would be Ultraleather brand urethane coated fabric. This looks like and feels like leather. It is as porous  and breathable as leather. They produce this urethane in 54" and 2m wide rolls and sell cut orders by the yard or meter through fabric distributors and designers in the EU & USA. I would pick the smoother grain (embossing). Google for more.

I have photos of a SM which was reupholstered with Ultraleather. It is beautiful. A German gal in France did the job. She also used new foam and a layer of memory foam. She also used double-needle stiching for extra detail and added strength.

Let me know if you want more details and or photos.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Bob <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Chris......



On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Chris Smither yachtakwaaba@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi
On my Santorin 27  1990 ,a prospective buyer popped a blister! ( Without my permission!) he claimed it was osmosis. The hull has since been treated.
Gurus cleverer than me have said you need to test the liquid in the bubble to confirm.
Since then I have found a good article about osmosis..will try to send it to you.
Akwaaba complete with bottom job, new engine and batteries is for sale  in Phuket.
Get a second opinion on the bubbles.
Good luck 
Chris Smither


On 24 Feb 2015, at 10:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob,

It could be triue, but I know for a fact that there are some certified crooks in the painting business in NZ.

What is the name of the guy who told you this, and the name of the business. Where is the business located.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 8:39 PM, "bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  


My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.


Thanks for any input you can furnish.


Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Bob <bob.sarff@...>
 

Interesting.....I hadn't thought of this at all.  I will definitely look into it.

Bob



On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Yahoo! Mail sammie.whammie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Buy a peeler to remove the gel coat for about $500.00 and peel it in two days and apply epoxy in one day. Just need a yard that lets you do your own work. Two kinds of peelers. One thousand dollars and other made for house paint but sold for boat work. Need a vacumn that connects to peller or shaver. One types Is like a planner blade the other is like a angle grinder but both use carbide and diamond cutters. Very easy compared to sanding and grinding. Not as much flying particles and effort. Process is peel, epoxy then barrier coat and finally antifouling paint. Sanding only after peeling to smooth surface, then apply each coat before their too dry so that each coat burns in or much sanding. Look how it is done on YouTube, you will be surprised how each compared to grinding. It also makes very little free floating particles and it is mostly in the vacumn.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

At Feb 23, 2015, 9:39:04 PM, bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]amelyachtowners@...'> wrote:

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago. I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied. The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.


My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's? Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.


Thanks for any input you can furnish.


Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Bob <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks again.  The liquid that came out did seem very caustic.

Bob



On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:25 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As a PS,

Wear goggles as the liquid in the blisters is quite caustic.

You might want to just grind a small hole in the blister and let it drain and then come back and sand it when it is dry.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

 

 

Thanks Eric for your reply.  I'm thinking of doing the same thing but wanted others opinions.  Much appreciated.  I may wait until next season in NZ after another 6 months in the tropics.

 

Bob


On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My previous boat had about 400 blisters.

I ground each one down with a dremel tool .

I then waited a few weeks , as it was summer and filled all the holes with epoxy putty and faired the hull. I then put on 3 coats of Interprotect - Interlux InterProtect Epoxy Primer‎ . Then one coat of blue bottom paint and 2 coats of black. End of problem. When I saw blue paint I knew it was time to repaint. It was a simple job but tedious and time consuming.  I do not see the logic in removing all the gel coat from a boat if there is not a problem.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

 

 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  

 

My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.

 

Thanks for any input you can furnish.

 

Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Bob <bob.sarff@...>
 

I'm at the Norsand boat yard and so far have been very happy with their work.  The yard manager Peter is the one I've been talking with.  There are several boats here going through the process I've described.

Thanks for your comments.

Bob




On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:34 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob,

It could be triue, but I know for a fact that there are some certified crooks in the painting business in NZ.

What is the name of the guy who told you this, and the name of the business. Where is the business located.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 8:39 PM, "bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  


My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.


Thanks for any input you can furnish.


Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Banging main furler foil without a sail.

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

No one posted this problem but I always found it very annoying when I am having my main sail repaired. The foil bangs around in the mast.

To alleviate this noise I finally came up with a good solution.

 

I lower the swivel to the bottom and run the largest diameter line that will fit  into the swivel.

I then raise the swivel to the top of the mast and rotate the foil while standing as far from the mast as possible. The line wraps around the foil making a bumper sort of arrangement.

The more line you have the better the bumper.

It is then quite silent.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interior Upholstery

Chris Flack
 

Bill,

I'll run that up the mast tonight and see how it flies  

Chris

 

 

On 24-02-2015 13:06, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris,

You have not spent many nights on that SM. At some point, the flopping stopped bothering us...We don't even hear it. It is not worth tampering with the table...just my opinion.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 7:54 PM, "Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Thanks Bill,

The bed was really for us to use when the 'plopping' at the stern became too much (Jennifer is a light sleeper) and also for more air BUT for 2400 euro might be a better proposition to get more of the upholstery done and new curtains (those concertina type)

I have asked Riza for a quote on the cockpit cushions and also for the space atop the aft cabin.

 

Cheers again
Chris

 

 

 

On 24-02-2015 12:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris,

Thanks. 

I do not think that I would try to make the dining table collapsible for another berth. If you are in a situation where all of the bunks are full, two people can sleep comfortably in the cockpit...invest in cockpit cushions instead...you will be happier.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 7:21 PM, "Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Yes Bill - you will not get the support under your thighs/knees will you? Yes, better to keep that bull nose.

Jennifer said to say that you and the others in the group have gone to an awful lot of trouble to guide us.

Cheers

Chris

 

 

On 24-02-2015 10:19, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris if you change the depth of that seat cushion, you will wind up with an uncomfortable seat.
 
Bill

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi Bill,

I have sent these photos through to Jennifer to show her how smart it looks. It is definitely a great facelift and looks ultra-comfortable.

With the bull nose on the front of the seat, it may not work with my plan to turn the lowered dining table into a bed and will have to think about keeping that section flat. I also hadn't thought of doing the nav seat but it would be so much better if we did.

Thanks for the extra effort you are putting in to help us out.

 

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

 

 

 

On 24-02-2015 08:31, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris,
 
Look closely at the photos. 
 
The seats and back style was changed with the "channel quilting" removed. The back also has an added interior zipper (like the seat does) which gives it that look of a pillow at the top of the back and a bull nose on the front of the seat...see photo "RF Back Detail" and "LF Seat Detail"
 
Also look at the very large circular back...it has been split into 3 pieces. Look at the photo labeled "LF Corner" and "RF Corner" which show the split. You can also see how the original seat was made by first removing the piece of foam from the backside of the seat cushion. Once removed, you will see an internal zipper which when opened reveals the bull nose piece of foam.
 
I would use UltraLeather Ivory also. Tomorrow I am going to visit their distributor in Houston, I will try to get a sample that I can mail to you.
 
Bill
BeBe

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Thank you Bill,

I asked Riza to use the UltraLeather Ivory on our refit with the memory foam layer and to also make up a 2 section insert for the dining table when we drop it down to a bed. Getting really excited about the things we are doing and can't wait to get over there at the beginning of May.

 

Cheers
Chris Flack
HemeraSm031

 

 

On 24-02-2015 00:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris:
 

  Ultrafabrics Europe, Ltd

19 The Warren,
East Goscote,
Leicestershire, LE7 3XA
United Kingdom

Main Phone: +44.116.260.9625
Email: ufe@...

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Bill, thanks you again.

This is very interesting and the Ivory does look good. Not too sure between the UltraLeather and the UltraLeather Pro.

I hope Riza is able to source it for me.

I hope your folk up there are starting to thaw out.

 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

 

 

On 23-02-2015 11:18, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Chris,
 
Alcantara and Ultrasuede are two of the best known brands for a fabric that has a polyester fiber electrostatically glued to a base cloth. The result is a fabric that looks like a perfect leather suede. There are many qualities and prices. I am not sure which brand Amel used on the SM 2000.
 
Polyester fiber is easily cleaned with soap and water, but will also take alcohol type cleaners for tough grease stains. Polyurethane coated fabrics are harder to stain, will clean with soap and water and you need to test alcohol or petroleum-based cleaners need to be tested on Polyrethane, because they may dull the luster. 
 
If I were changing, I would probably use Ultraleather™ Color Ivory https://www.ultrafabricsllc.com/Site/Swatch/30/ 
<<>> Ultraleather™ Pro Color Swan https://www.ultrafabricsllc.com/Site/Swatch/597/
 
I will upload a few photos of the interior of SM ARAMIS...hopefully the owner will not mind. It is beautiful!
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 
 

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi Bill,

I didn't know your past history but your advice is again, invaluable. 

Is the polyester microfiber fabric that Amel use the Alcantara? Does the Ultraleather clean up well from possible grease and stains?

Some photos and details of what you have described would be great thank you. The idea of the memory foam would add even greater comfort. We are also looking at turning the thinking table into a drop down and making it into another big comfortable bed when the 'plopping' gets too much or we have more visitors.

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

 

On 23-02-2015 01:52, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

As some of you know, I was in the furniture manufacturing business for many years. This is something I know a little about.

If I were reupholstering the salon and did not want to use the polyester microfiber fabric that Amel used in SMs, my next choice would be Ultraleather brand urethane coated fabric. This looks like and feels like leather. It is as porous  and breathable as leather. They produce this urethane in 54" and 2m wide rolls and sell cut orders by the yard or meter through fabric distributors and designers in the EU & USA. I would pick the smoother grain (embossing). Google for more.

I have photos of a SM which was reupholstered with Ultraleather. It is beautiful. A German gal in France did the job. She also used new foam and a layer of memory foam. She also used double-needle stiching for extra detail and added strength.

Let me know if you want more details and or photos.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

As a PS,

Wear goggles as the liquid in the blisters is quite caustic.

You might want to just grind a small hole in the blister and let it drain and then come back and sand it when it is dry.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

 

 

Thanks Eric for your reply.  I'm thinking of doing the same thing but wanted others opinions.  Much appreciated.  I may wait until next season in NZ after another 6 months in the tropics.

 

Bob


On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My previous boat had about 400 blisters.

I ground each one down with a dremel tool .

I then waited a few weeks , as it was summer and filled all the holes with epoxy putty and faired the hull. I then put on 3 coats of Interprotect - Interlux InterProtect Epoxy Primer‎ . Then one coat of blue bottom paint and 2 coats of black. End of problem. When I saw blue paint I knew it was time to repaint. It was a simple job but tedious and time consuming.  I do not see the logic in removing all the gel coat from a boat if there is not a problem.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

 

 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  

 

My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.

 

Thanks for any input you can furnish.

 

Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Stephen Hancock
 

Buy a peeler to remove the gel coat for about $500.00 and peel it in two days and apply epoxy in one day. Just need a yard that lets you do your own work. Two kinds of peelers. One thousand dollars and other made for house paint but sold for boat work. Need a vacumn that connects to peller or shaver. One types Is like a planner blade the other is like a angle grinder but both use carbide and diamond cutters. Very easy compared to sanding and grinding. Not as much flying particles and effort. Process is peel, epoxy then barrier coat and finally antifouling paint. Sanding only after peeling to smooth surface, then apply each coat before their too dry so that each coat burns in or much sanding. Look how it is done on YouTube, you will be surprised how each compared to grinding. It also makes very little free floating particles and it is mostly in the vacumn.


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At Feb 23, 2015, 9:39:04 PM, bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]<'amelyachtowners@...'> wrote:

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago. I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied. The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.


My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's? Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.


Thanks for any input you can furnish.


Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Hi
On my Santorin 27  1990 ,a prospective buyer popped a blister! ( Without my permission!) he claimed it was osmosis. The hull has since been treated.
Gurus cleverer than me have said you need to test the liquid in the bubble to confirm.
Since then I have found a good article about osmosis..will try to send it to you.
Akwaaba complete with bottom job, new engine and batteries is for sale  in Phuket.
Get a second opinion on the bubbles.
Good luck 
Chris Smither


On 24 Feb 2015, at 10:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob,

It could be triue, but I know for a fact that there are some certified crooks in the painting business in NZ.

What is the name of the guy who told you this, and the name of the business. Where is the business located.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 8:39 PM, "bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  


My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.


Thanks for any input you can furnish.


Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bob,

It could be triue, but I know for a fact that there are some certified crooks in the painting business in NZ.

What is the name of the guy who told you this, and the name of the business. Where is the business located.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Feb 23, 2015 8:39 PM, "bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  


My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.


Thanks for any input you can furnish.


Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

Bob <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Eric for your reply.  I'm thinking of doing the same thing but wanted others opinions.  Much appreciated.  I may wait until next season in NZ after another 6 months in the tropics.

Bob



On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My previous boat had about 400 blisters.

I ground each one down with a dremel tool .

I then waited a few weeks , as it was summer and filled all the holes with epoxy putty and faired the hull. I then put on 3 coats of Interprotect - Interlux InterProtect Epoxy Primer . Then one coat of blue bottom paint and 2 coats of black. End of problem. When I saw blue paint I knew it was time to repaint. It was a simple job but tedious and time consuming.  I do not see the logic in removing all the gel coat from a boat if there is not a problem.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu blisters

 

 

I have some small blisters since I purchased me 1985 Maramu 7 years ago.  I've always been told that they were small and just cosmetic.

This latest haul out in NZ I'm being told that I should have a complete osmosis repair and it could take 2 1/2-3 months for the hull dr dry out after grinding and before 3 coats of epoxy can be applied.  The cost is estimated to be $25,000 nzd.  

 

My question to other Maramu owners is, is this a common problem with older Maramu's?  Has anyone with a similar problem taken a different approach (like grinding the blisters individually yourself vs using a me jibe to skim off the entire chop layer of fiberglass.

 

Thanks for any input you can furnish.

 

Bob

S/V Chara

Hin 173