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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ocean Pearl for sale

karkauai
 

Awe, Danny,
We're gonna miss you and all your wisdom here.  If you want to hop aboard, I'd love to have you as guest and crew anytime you get an itch to feel the wind again.

Somebody's going to get a great, well cared for boat!

Malama mai ka'i nui loa lawe, ko'u ho'aloha.
Take very good care, my friend.

Meke aloha pau ole, a me a hui hou kako.
With everlasting aloha, until we meet again.
Kent



On Mar 6, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all, with some sadness we advise you that after over 6 years of amazing sailing Ocean Pearl is for sale.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
At home in Mangonui New Zealand


Ocean Pearl for sale

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, with some sadness we advise you that after over 6 years of amazing sailing Ocean Pearl is for sale.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
At home in Mangonui New Zealand


Re: Electric Motor/Pump to the toilet

Alan Leslie
 

The leak is probably the shaft seal .
There are kits available for these pumps that provide all the parts needed to repair these pumps, Defender, West Marine etc have them.
Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent, I have never looked into it, but the red light on the panel is also connected to an alarm (which I think is the same alarm for blocked sea water).

I sent you a wiring diagram for installation of the Leece-Neville 175 alternator which shows a warning light in on of the schematics

Maybe that will help.

Bill

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Well, that's gone. Do you know what relay it is and how it's connected?
Thanks,
K


On Mar 6, 2015, at 10:43 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I suspect that this was another thing that the repower mechanic decided NOT to reinstall. The relay for this red light and corresponding alarm was originally mounted on the port side of your engine next to the negative solenoid.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Mar 6, 2015 8:30 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi gang,
While checking the FireBoy wiring I discovered the dead-headed wires that go to the small red light in the bottom left corner of the 24V panel. It has never worked since I purchased the boat. What is it there for?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel

karkauai
 

Well, that's gone. Do you know what relay it is and how it's connected?
Thanks,
K


On Mar 6, 2015, at 10:43 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I suspect that this was another thing that the repower mechanic decided NOT to reinstall. The relay for this red light and corresponding alarm was originally mounted on the port side of your engine next to the negative solenoid.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Mar 6, 2015 8:30 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi gang,
While checking the FireBoy wiring I discovered the dead-headed wires that go to the small red light in the bottom left corner of the 24V panel. It has never worked since I purchased the boat. What is it there for?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel

karkauai
 

Aha!  Thanks, Alexandre.
Kent


On Mar 6, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Good morning Kent,

On NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) this light is to indicate if the 24 volt alternator on the engine is "not" working.
This is also what the owner manual says.

In my case, after I start the (Volvo TMD 22P) engine, this light will appear. So I disengage the throttle, the rev it up a little, then the 24 volt alternator work after that.
Note: I had to the same on the Aston to (I think it is called) "energize" the system.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Fri, 3/6/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015, 8:29 AM


 









Hi gang,

While checking the FireBoy wiring I discovered the
dead-headed wires that go to the small red light in the
bottom left corner of the 24V panel. It has never worked
since I purchased the boat. What is it there for?

Thanks,

Kent

SM 243

Kristy













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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

I suspect that this was another thing that the repower mechanic decided NOT to reinstall. The relay for this red light and corresponding alarm was originally mounted on the port side of your engine next to the negative solenoid.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Mar 6, 2015 8:30 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi gang,
While checking the FireBoy wiring I discovered the dead-headed wires that go to the small red light in the bottom left corner of the 24V panel. It has never worked since I purchased the boat. What is it there for?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Kent,

On NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) this light is to indicate if the 24 volt alternator on the engine is "not" working.
This is also what the owner manual says.

In my case, after I start the (Volvo TMD 22P) engine, this light will appear. So I disengage the throttle, the rev it up a little, then the 24 volt alternator work after that.
Note: I had to the same on the Aston to (I think it is called) "energize" the system.

Sincerely, Alexandre





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On Fri, 3/6/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Red light on 24V panel
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015, 8:29 AM


 









Hi gang,

While checking the FireBoy wiring I discovered the
dead-headed wires that go to the small red light in the
bottom left corner of the 24V panel. It has never worked
since I purchased the boat. What is it there for?

Thanks,

Kent

SM 243

Kristy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Motor/Pump to the toilet

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

On NIKIMAT SM2K #289 I have the same Jabsco 740001-2853 24V toilet electric motor - just bought a spare on Defender for $192 (with shipping).




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On Fri, 3/6/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Motor/Pump to the toilet
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015, 8:54 AM


 









Hi Paul,On Kristy, SM243, also
1999, the heads are Jabsco QuietFlush large bowl model
37245-1094. The macerator pumps are the same Jabsco
740001-2853 24V that you describe.  The fill pumps are
Jabsco 30631-0094 24V.
KentSM243Kristy
On Mar 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Hello!I have
problem to find the right Motor/pump to my Jabsco toilet on
SM 2000 from 1999, The number on the motor is 74001-2853, I
was advice to use motors from Johnson but they delivered the
wrong one. The problem with the current motor is it leaks
between the metal case and the plastic flange, and
unfortunately both toilets motors
leaks.So if anyone know which motor that
fits it would be appreciated to know.
RegardsPaul
on Kerpa























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Motor/Pump to the toilet

Paul Osterberg
 

Thanks!
Amazing this forum how quick one gets an answer
Paul on Kerpa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Motor/Pump to the toilet

karkauai
 

Hi Paul,
On Kristy, SM243, also 1999, the heads are Jabsco QuietFlush large bowl model 37245-1094. The macerator pumps are the same Jabsco 740001-2853 24V that you describe.  The fill pumps are Jabsco 30631-0094 24V.

Kent
SM243
Kristy




On Mar 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello!

I have problem to find the right Motor/pump to my Jabsco toilet on SM 2000 from 1999, The number on the motor is 74001-2853, I was advice to use motors from Johnson but they delivered the wrong one. The problem with the current motor is it leaks between the metal case and the plastic flange, and unfortunately both toilets motors leaks.

So if anyone know which motor that fits it would be appreciated to know.


Regards

Paul on Kerpa



Electric Motor/Pump to the toilet

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

I have problem to find the right Motor/pump to my Jabsco toilet on SM 2000 from 1999, The number on the motor is 74001-2853, I was advice to use motors from Johnson but they delivered the wrong one. The problem with the current motor is it leaks between the metal case and the plastic flange, and unfortunately both toilets motors leaks.

So if anyone know which motor that fits it would be appreciated to know.


Regards

Paul on Kerpa



Red light on 24V panel

karkauai
 

Hi gang,
While checking the FireBoy wiring I discovered the dead-headed wires that go to the small red light in the bottom left corner of the 24V panel. It has never worked since I purchased the boat. What is it there for?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

jjjk12s@...
 

It seems appropriate to mention another useful website - http://www.usno.navy.mil/JTWC. the Joint Typhoon Tracking Warning Centre run by the US Navy. 

Maybe it can help reduce the use of these drogues!

John, Maramu, #91, Popeye, Port Douglas, Australia

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

Eric Freedman
 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 2:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

Hello Gerhard,

 

I have a 157 cone drogue not 147.....  I would check with Roddy again.  The indicated number of cones on the Jordan site also says 157 cones.  

 

The price for a Jordan drogue bought from Roddy is much less than the USA quoted price.  

 

For Eric,

 

I am most interested in your giant snatch block.  Post piccies when done??  Also of your chafe preventers.  

 

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/edson-marine--leather-turnbuckle-covers--P002_065_007_505

Made by Edson Marine- the company that makes steering pedestals-they last forever in 3 sizes. Must be put on with zip ties as the Velcro doesn’t hold.

The Snatch Block is still in production.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Many thanks,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007

 

 

 

 

On 6 Mar 2015, at 05:34, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

The backstays are a problem but I would not shorten them. They really soften the stretch of the drogue and with sufficient chafe gear it will not be a problem.

The shock load on the  drogue is surprisingly small as the cones take most of the load. It is amazing to watch it work.  I am just finishing a monster snatch block that will pull the bridle away from whatever backstay is being rubbed by the bridle-Speak to dave about the length.

 

As chafe gear I use leather Velcro lined turnbuckle covers which were made by Edson. I further attach them with “zip” cable ties.

They have to be inspected and moved every hour.

 

You should also fashion some device to fit over the chock when retrieving the drogue. This will prevent you from ripping the cones while they pass over the chock.

 

Be careful with the horn of the primary winch as it will also tear the cones.

Finally you will need to give the primary winch a break every minute or so as the thermal overload built into the winch will cut out and stop the winch. The winch will have to be hand tailed as the drogue is too big to  fit into the winch jaws.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pepinoamel
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:45 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

Hi Bill, Jeff & Eric,

 

I've read Eric's posts and what I'd like to know is the exact length of the bridle leg, as it appears to me that the 2.5 times width of the attachment points, ie. 1.83m width of the attachment points by 2.5m is 4.5m.   Standing on the pontoon behind the boat at that 4.5m point, it appears that I'm pretty much colliding with the backstays.  So, what I would like to know is if I should request those bridle legs to be shorter and if so, at what length.  Of course Eric's response and suggestions would be most appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Gerhard Hoffmann

SM381, Pepino

Greece

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gerhard,

I have a 157 cone drogue not 147.....  I would check with Roddy again.  The indicated number of cones on the Jordan site also says 157 cones.  

The price for a Jordan drogue bought from Roddy is much less than the USA quoted price.  

For Eric,

I am most interested in your giant snatch block.  Post piccies when done??  Also of your chafe preventers.  


Many thanks,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007




On 6 Mar 2015, at 05:34, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The backstays are a problem but I would not shorten them. They really soften the stretch of the drogue and with sufficient chafe gear it will not be a problem.
The shock load on the  drogue is surprisingly small as the cones take most of the load. It is amazing to watch it work.  I am just finishing a monster snatch block that will pull the bridle away from whatever backstay is being rubbed by the bridle-Speak to dave about the length.
 
As chafe gear I use leather Velcro lined turnbuckle covers which were made by Edson. I further attach them with “zip” cable ties.
They have to be inspected and moved every hour.
 
You should also fashion some device to fit over the chock when retrieving the drogue. This will prevent you from ripping the cones while they pass over the chock.
 
Be careful with the horn of the primary winch as it will also tear the cones.
Finally you will need to give the primary winch a break every minute or so as the thermal overload built into the winch will cut out and stop the winch. The winch will have to be hand tailed as the drogue is too big to  fit into the winch jaws.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pepinoamel
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:45 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue
 
 
Hi Bill, Jeff & Eric,
 
I've read Eric's posts and what I'd like to know is the exact length of the bridle leg, as it appears to me that the 2.5 times width of the attachment points, ie. 1.83m width of the attachment points by 2.5m is 4.5m.   Standing on the pontoon behind the boat at that 4.5m point, it appears that I'm pretty much colliding with the backstays.  So, what I would like to know is if I should request those bridle legs to be shorter and if so, at what length.  Of course Eric's response and suggestions would be most appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 
Gerhard Hoffmann
SM381, Pepino
Greece


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

Eric Freedman
 

I meant to say the bridles are a problem but I would not shorten them.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

The backstays are a problem but I would not shorten them. They really soften the stretch of the drogue and with sufficient chafe gear it will not be a problem.

The shock load on the  drogue is surprisingly small as the cones take most of the load. It is amazing to watch it work.  I am just finishing a monster snatch block that will pull the bridle away from whatever backstay is being rubbed by the bridle-Speak to dave about the length.

 

As chafe gear I use leather Velcro lined turnbuckle covers which were made by Edson. I further attach them with “zip” cable ties.

They have to be inspected and moved every hour.

 

You should also fashion some device to fit over the chock when retrieving the drogue. This will prevent you from ripping the cones while they pass over the chock.

 

Be careful with the horn of the primary winch as it will also tear the cones.

Finally you will need to give the primary winch a break every minute or so as the thermal overload built into the winch will cut out and stop the winch. The winch will have to be hand tailed as the drogue is too big to  fit into the winch jaws.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pepinoamel
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:45 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

Hi Bill, Jeff & Eric,

 

I've read Eric's posts and what I'd like to know is the exact length of the bridle leg, as it appears to me that the 2.5 times width of the attachment points, ie. 1.83m width of the attachment points by 2.5m is 4.5m.   Standing on the pontoon behind the boat at that 4.5m point, it appears that I'm pretty much colliding with the backstays.  So, what I would like to know is if I should request those bridle legs to be shorter and if so, at what length.  Of course Eric's response and suggestions would be most appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Gerhard Hoffmann

SM381, Pepino

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

Eric Freedman
 

The backstays are a problem but I would not shorten them. They really soften the stretch of the drogue and with sufficient chafe gear it will not be a problem.

The shock load on the  drogue is surprisingly small as the cones take most of the load. It is amazing to watch it work.  I am just finishing a monster snatch block that will pull the bridle away from whatever backstay is being rubbed by the bridle-Speak to dave about the length.

 

As chafe gear I use leather Velcro lined turnbuckle covers which were made by Edson. I further attach them with “zip” cable ties.

They have to be inspected and moved every hour.

 

You should also fashion some device to fit over the chock when retrieving the drogue. This will prevent you from ripping the cones while they pass over the chock.

 

Be careful with the horn of the primary winch as it will also tear the cones.

Finally you will need to give the primary winch a break every minute or so as the thermal overload built into the winch will cut out and stop the winch. The winch will have to be hand tailed as the drogue is too big to  fit into the winch jaws.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pepinoamel
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:45 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

Hi Bill, Jeff & Eric,

 

I've read Eric's posts and what I'd like to know is the exact length of the bridle leg, as it appears to me that the 2.5 times width of the attachment points, ie. 1.83m width of the attachment points by 2.5m is 4.5m.   Standing on the pontoon behind the boat at that 4.5m point, it appears that I'm pretty much colliding with the backstays.  So, what I would like to know is if I should request those bridle legs to be shorter and if so, at what length.  Of course Eric's response and suggestions would be most appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Gerhard Hoffmann

SM381, Pepino

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

Eric Freedman
 

Gerhard,

As Jeff mentioned if the drogue is out you will be in severe conditions. The boat will be frequently under water by breaking waves with only the masts sticking out of the sea. Not a problem as the cockpit drains in 45 seconds.

One crewmember over 6 feet tall was up to his armpits in water while standing in the cockpit. I don’t think your dink would hold up to this repeated onslaught.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:38 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

Gerhard,

I'm curious what kind of dinghy you have that you're carrying on the back deck.

Hopefully it's a dinghy that can be stowed in the stern locker once deflated.

I personally would not consider any dinghy secured on the back deck to be a safe scenario in any conditions that would warrant the use of a Jordan series drogue.

Jeff 54 #14

----- Original Message -----
From: pepinoamel
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2015 1:48 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I am looking into buying a drogue from Ocean Brake UK. Roddy
> recommends 147 cones. I am still uncertain about the bridle
> arrangement. In my case I have the Amel supplied boomerang
> davits that fold back onto the stern. I presume the bridle has
> to go on the inside of the backstays and to the outside of the
> folded back davits. I keep the dinghy on top of the back deck
> when travelling any distance. I intend to attach the bridles
> with a soft eye on the back cleat and run them through the
> fairlead. Ocean Brake recommends for the length of the bridles,
> 2.5 times the width of the attachment points. I know some of
> you have a Jordan Drogue. Could anybody tell me what the length
> of their bridle legs is to the back cleat and how do you protect
> the legs from chafing? I'm worried about putting too much
> strain on the backstays when the boat yaws. Any comments or
> suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> Gerhard Hoffmann
> SM381, Pepino
> Greece
>


Jordan Drogue

Eric Freedman
 

Dear Gerard,

I am not familiar with the cleats you are speaking about. Possibly you could send me a few photos of the stern of your boat and the cleats . I might be able to give you some firsthand advice about this drogue.

We were in Hurricane for 36 hours on the drogue.

You might find this article helpful. If you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask.

I used the next larger drogue than you are considering,

 

Very important—Make sure that the British sail maker is making each cone with a hem on both ends of the cones – otherwise they will fray after being dragged through the water for hours on end.

 

With respect to the length of the bridle, I would speak to Dave Pelissier at ace sailmakers in the USA. He worked very closely with Mr. Jordan and he is familiar with the correct bridle length. I am not on the boat and cannot measure them for you. I would also have them splice eyes in the end of each bridle.

 

I had another occasion to speak to Mr. Jordan when I was in hurricane force wind on a smaller boat ,on the satellite phone. My other boat was rolling from beam to beam. In 65 knots of wind, I will always remember his answer to the problem “ Not enough wind”.

My email for the photos is Kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

http://www.oceannavigator.com/March-April-2011/Prepare-for-survival-conditions/

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pepinoamel
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 1:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jordan Drogue

 

 

I am looking into buying a drogue from Ocean Brake UK.  Roddy recommends 147 cones.  I am still uncertain about the bridle arrangement.  In my case I have the Amel supplied boomerang davits that fold back onto the stern.  I presume the bridle has to go on the inside of the backstays and to the outside of the folded back davits.  I keep the dinghy on top of the back deck when travelling any distance.   I intend to attach the bridles with a soft eye on the back cleat and run them through the fairlead.  Ocean Brake recommends for the length of the bridles, 2.5 times the width of the attachment points.  I know some of you have a Jordan Drogue.  Could anybody tell me what the length of their bridle legs is to the back cleat and how do you protect the legs from chafing?  I'm worried about putting too much strain on the backstays when the boat yaws.  Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Many thanks.

 

Gerhard Hoffmann

SM381, Pepino

Greece