I didn't find any either. Eric 105

sy melmar y <newsgroup@melmar.ch> wrote: hi there
follwoing the fuel polishing issue i'm planning do have some work done
on our fuel system. taking the top cover board off the fuel tank i
expected to find some inspection holes for a first check. can't find
them. any hint?
marc, MELMAR Y, maramu #89





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On my Maramu the extended board rests on the lip of the seat forward, and a small pipe sticks out of the "two inch hole" in the table when it is folded down to support the other end aft. The original pipe is approx 1" diameter by 4" long and affixed to the pedestal. Eric 105

Horst Pause <horst@dpnsoftware.com> wrote: On my Maramu the folded out part of the double bed rests against the lip
on the folded down table, which has worked quite well so far. Whilst I
don't know whether this is the original feature, I have seen the same
arrangement on other Maramus.



Good luck with your rebuild.



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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] double bed in salon on maramu



hello
i'm tying to reinstate some 'lost' original installations on our maramu.
one of them being the double bed on port side in the salon. putting the
second wooden board under the port bench board is the easy part. this
one folds out toward the mid pedestal. fwd it lies on the short cross
bench. on the aft side it must lie on something as well. is the about
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or explain the item which was originally installed for that purpose?
thanks.
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On my Maramu the folded out part of the double bed rests against the lip
on the folded down table, which has worked quite well so far. Whilst I
don't know whether this is the original feature, I have seen the same
arrangement on other Maramus.



Good luck with your rebuild.



Horst, Maramu 185



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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] double bed in salon on maramu



hello
i'm tying to reinstate some 'lost' original installations on our maramu.
one of them being the double bed on port side in the salon. putting the
second wooden board under the port bench board is the easy part. this
one folds out toward the mid pedestal. fwd it lies on the short cross
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thanks.
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hi there
follwoing the fuel polishing issue i'm planning do have some work done
on our fuel system. taking the top cover board off the fuel tank i
expected to find some inspection holes for a first check. can't find
them. any hint?
marc, MELMAR Y, maramu #89

hello
i'm tying to reinstate some 'lost' original installations on our maramu.
one of them being the double bed on port side in the salon. putting the
second wooden board under the port bench board is the easy part. this
one folds out toward the mid pedestal. fwd it lies on the short cross
bench. on the aft side it must lie on something as well. is the about
two inch hole in the down folded table the solution? could anybody show
or explain the item which was originally installed for that purpose?
thanks.
marc, S/Y MELMAR Y, maramu #89

Thanks. I hope that I can find an equivalent here. Horst Maramu 185



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[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm
Sent: 16 March 2006 15:18
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] BATTERIES FOR SULAJON SM #347



I use trojan 105 batteries which are 220 ah, cost about $100 or less US.
I use all 6 batteries for the house, and installed a separate 12 volt
starting battery for the engine. Eric maramu 105

Horst Pause <horst@dpnsoftware.com> wrote: What batteries do you use?
Have they got bolt and nut connectors?



I bought (expensive) Deka Saturated Glass Mat, 12 V, and forgot to
physically disconnect the inverter during a recent 4 month lay-up. This
caused such severe sulphation that the batteries are now for the skip.



The boat is in Sardinia.



Thank you for any information you can give me.



Horst, Maramu 185







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Sent: 15 March 2006 03:22
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BATTERIES FOR SULAJON SM #347



6 volt is the only way to go. you can discharge/ recharge a 6 volt
battery up to 1,000 times compared to a 12 volt, which the best only go
around 250. The plates are twice as thick on the 6 volt. I have used
them for at least 10 years, and would never go back. Two 6 volt
batteries provide almost the same amp hours as a 12 volt 8d, using only
two thirds the space, and they are a lot easier to get in and out of the
boat.
Eric maramu 105

jfolino901 <jfolino901@yahoo.com> wrote:
HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH 6 VOLT BATTERIES FOR THE HOUSE
BATTERIES? I HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH ROLLS BATTERIES. I AM NOT IN NEED
YET, BUT WANT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
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I use trojan 105 batteries which are 220 ah, cost about $100 or less US. I use all 6 batteries for the house, and installed a separate 12 volt starting battery for the engine. Eric maramu 105

Horst Pause <horst@dpnsoftware.com> wrote: What batteries do you use? Have they got bolt and nut connectors?



I bought (expensive) Deka Saturated Glass Mat, 12 V, and forgot to
physically disconnect the inverter during a recent 4 month lay-up. This
caused such severe sulphation that the batteries are now for the skip.



The boat is in Sardinia.



Thank you for any information you can give me.



Horst, Maramu 185







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[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm
Sent: 15 March 2006 03:22
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BATTERIES FOR SULAJON SM #347



6 volt is the only way to go. you can discharge/ recharge a 6 volt
battery up to 1,000 times compared to a 12 volt, which the best only go
around 250. The plates are twice as thick on the 6 volt. I have used
them for at least 10 years, and would never go back. Two 6 volt
batteries provide almost the same amp hours as a 12 volt 8d, using only
two thirds the space, and they are a lot easier to get in and out of the
boat.
Eric maramu 105

jfolino901 <jfolino901@yahoo.com> wrote:
HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH 6 VOLT BATTERIES FOR THE HOUSE
BATTERIES? I HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH ROLLS BATTERIES. I AM NOT IN NEED
YET, BUT WANT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
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David, I agree with your wiring diagram as set forth in the first part of your email, but I question if I understand your last comment about orienting the batteries + - then -+ then + - then - +. You end up with two + terminals and I don't know what voltage. The batteries have to be aligned as in the first part of your email + - then+ - then+ - then+ -, and you will end up with one bank of 24 volts, with a + and - terminal to connect to the next bank ++ and -- to power the boat. 2 banks of 24 volts, and most 6 volt batteries are 220 ah, so one 24 bank should also be 24 volt 220 ah, with the two combined at 440 ah. Eric

dlm48@aol.com wrote: i wonder if this will work

-- [6V] ---------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----- 24V
110AH
+ *** - === + *** - === + *** - === + *** -
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
|| [6V] ---------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----- 24V
110AH
+ *** - === + *** - === + *** - === + *** -
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
To Positive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . To Negative
24V buss bar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24V buss bar --- 24V
220AH

also assuming the 6V bats have a terminal at each end you can
orientate the bats + - then - + then + - then - + so that your serial
interconnect cables are very very short
regards

David

In a message dated 16/03/2006 16:57:19 GMT Standard Time, dlm48@aol.com
writes:

OK TRY THIS


just double or triple that arrangement and connect each 24V bank to the
appropriate buss

i thought T105's were 110 AH my mistook i should have checked but if they
are 220 AH then you have double the capacity :-)

regards

David



damn blast curses yahoo removed my drawing of the battery layout from that
mail i sent

anyone want one mail me direct

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

regards

David

In a message dated 16/03/2006 15:23:09 GMT Standard Time,
etlindholm@sbcglobal.net writes:

David, I agree with your wiring diagram as set forth in the first part of
your email, but I question if I understand your last comment about orienting
the batteries + - then -+ then + - then - +. You end up with two + terminals
and I don't know what voltage. The batteries have to be aligned as in the first
part of your email + - then+ - then+ - then+ -, and you will end up with one
bank of 24 volts, with a + and - terminal to connect to the next bank ++ and
-- to power the boat. 2 banks of 24 volts, and most 6 volt batteries are 220
ah, so one 24 bank should also be 24 volt 220 ah, with the two combined at
440 ah. Eric






OK TRY THIS


just double or triple that arrangement and connect each 24V bank to the
appropriate buss

i thought T105's were 110 AH my mistook i should have checked but if they
are 220 AH then you have double the capacity :-)

regards

David

What batteries do you use? Have they got bolt and nut connectors?



I bought (expensive) Deka Saturated Glass Mat, 12 V, and forgot to
physically disconnect the inverter during a recent 4 month lay-up. This
caused such severe sulphation that the batteries are now for the skip.



The boat is in Sardinia.



Thank you for any information you can give me.



Horst, Maramu 185







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[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm
Sent: 15 March 2006 03:22
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BATTERIES FOR SULAJON SM #347



6 volt is the only way to go. you can discharge/ recharge a 6 volt
battery up to 1,000 times compared to a 12 volt, which the best only go
around 250. The plates are twice as thick on the 6 volt. I have used
them for at least 10 years, and would never go back. Two 6 volt
batteries provide almost the same amp hours as a 12 volt 8d, using only
two thirds the space, and they are a lot easier to get in and out of the
boat.
Eric maramu 105

jfolino901 <jfolino901@yahoo.com> wrote:
HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH 6 VOLT BATTERIES FOR THE HOUSE
BATTERIES? I HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH ROLLS BATTERIES. I AM NOT IN NEED
YET, BUT WANT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
JOHN






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i wonder if this will work

-- [6V] ---------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----- 24V 110AH
+ *** - === + *** - === + *** - === + *** -
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
|| [6V] ---------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----------- [6V] ----- 24V 110AH
+ *** - === + *** - === + *** - === + *** -
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
|| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .||
To Positive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . To Negative
24V buss bar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24V buss bar --- 24V 220AH

also assuming the 6V bats have a terminal at each end you can orientate the bats + - then - + then + - then - + so that your serial interconnect cables are very very short
regards

David

David, I guess I missed the 24 volt question. I just wanted to clarify the manner in which the batteries are connected. I have seen owners try to connect all of the negative terminals together, or the supply positive and negative to terminals used to wire the batteries in series with varying results, ie melted cables, sparks, or simply a connection to a 6 volt supply. Love this site. Eric

dlm48@aol.com wrote: ah ha but - Bill has a 24 V system on his SM2000 which is why i posted
what i posted

regards

David

ah ha but - Bill has a 24 V system on his SM2000 which is why i posted what i posted

regards

David

Bill you connect the positive terminal of one battery to the negative terminal of another battery, and those two batteries equal one 12 volt battery. You will have one positive terminal( which I will call A terminal), and one negative terminal(which I will call B terminal) which are not connected to anything, and these are your new 12 volt positive and negative terminals. Make up four sets like this. Connect the 4 positive A terminals to each other, and the 4 negative B terminals to each other just like you do your 12 volt batteries, and then run this to your battery switch. Use the largest battery cable you can find for all connections, this is very important. These batteries have a lot of power, and undersized cable will not let you utilize all that is available. Eric

dlm48@aol.com wrote: cunfused i am

you will need FOUR 6V batteries wired in series to produce 24V

if you have EIGHT 6V batteries then you have two sets of 4 series wired
batteries wired in parallel to double the AH capacity

the only new wiring would be the series wiring as in the above example
six short piecies of wire

and so on

regards

David

cunfused i am

you will need FOUR 6V batteries wired in series to produce 24V

if you have EIGHT 6V batteries then you have two sets of 4 series wired batteries wired in parallel to double the AH capacity

the only new wiring would be the series wiring as in the above example six short piecies of wire

and so on

regards

David

Eric & John,

I am intrigued by this 6 volt option. I have 12 house batteries.

. I assume that you would divide these into 4 parallel wired sets of 3
batteries with an output of 6 volts per set.

. Then I assume that you would wire 2 of these sets of 3 in series
producing 12 volts and do the same with the other 2 sets of three.

. Lastly I assume that you wire the 2 12 volt pairs in series to produce
24 volts.

I guess another option would be 3 sets of 4 wired in a series and then
connect the 3 series-wired sets parallel to produce 24 volts?

I assume that either method will require almost all new wiring? Any input
will be appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Rouse
S/V Security
SM2 #387

6 volt is the only way to go. you can discharge/ recharge a 6 volt battery up to 1,000 times compared to a 12 volt, which the best only go around 250. The plates are twice as thick on the 6 volt. I have used them for at least 10 years, and would never go back. Two 6 volt batteries provide almost the same amp hours as a 12 volt 8d, using only two thirds the space, and they are a lot easier to get in and out of the boat.
Eric maramu 105

jfolino901 <jfolino901@yahoo.com> wrote:
HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH 6 VOLT BATTERIES FOR THE HOUSE
BATTERIES? I HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH ROLLS BATTERIES. I AM NOT IN NEED
YET, BUT WANT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
JOHN






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HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH 6 VOLT BATTERIES FOR THE HOUSE
BATTERIES? I HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH ROLLS BATTERIES. I AM NOT IN NEED
YET, BUT WANT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
JOHN

I wouldnt rush to give up the Autoprop. Ours is no. AP 3294LH, which was recalled for a new locking plate so we fitted the fixed prop to take us from the Caribbean to Ecuador, involving 6 days of motoring in the Pacific.Unless you put two Amels side by side with the different props its impossible to be sure which gives the better performance but we certainly felt the Autoprop had the edge under power and clearly has less resistance under sail.
We are in Brazil at the moment , between Santos and Rio, good motoring country as there is no wind here. Yesterday we did a little test. Bear in mind that Pen Azen is in full cruising mode, including a 15hp outboard,4 anchors, 500m of shorelines,every locker full to overflowing, 600l water , 350 fuel plus 100l in jerry cans in the lazarette, which also holds the second dinghy whilst we were towing the rib with a 2hp attached.Bimini was down but we had sun awnings up, covering both booms. With minimum wind, (4 knots apparent on the beam), we achieved these knots at these revs
1500--- 5.9
1600 6.0
1700 6.4
1800 6.8
1900 7.1
2000 7.4
2100 7.7
2200 7.8
2300 8.0
2400 8.2
2500 8.3
2600 8.5
2700 8.6
2800 8.7

In each case we took a conservative figure for the speed, taking the first decimal pint, so that if we were doing, say, 7.27 we recorded 7.2. Our top speed was 8.89, the pull of the rib making it inconsistent.
These figures are marginally down on the same test conducted when the boat was new, but we must now have an extra ton of stores on board and we didnt have a rib to tow in those days.
Is the log accurate? In 25,000 miles we have never had any reason to consider it anything other than the most accurate log we have ever had on a boat.
To me , this suggests that certainly the standard Volvo and Autoprop are well matched and maybe the performance of the turbo is the most likely culprit.
Happy motoring! Ian and Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ilha Grande, Brazil.