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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

karkauai
 

Hi Steve,
That's a great offer. I'm not on the boat til Tuesday. Let me do a little more investigation and I'll get back to you.  Since my issue only occurs when using water, and is resolved temporarily by pumping air into the tank, I'm pretty sure it's a failed bladder.

Thanks for your pics and explanation Bill.  Just when I think I understand something, Y'all teach me something else.
Very cool.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Apr 11, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,
When our pump showed symptoms like yours on the way back from Guatamala, it was the one way valve. We happened to have a spare on board, and it solved the issue. I'm out of town for a few days, but will be in St Augustine Tuesday, and can give you the one way valve. We replace our pump recently with something else, and I have the old pump and one way valve. 

Steve
S/V Aloha SM 72
At Augustine, Florida 




Re: Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

peacock@...
 

Hi Kent,

You might consider replacing it with a Shurflo, the model I think might be Aqua King 2.0; I’d have to check my boat to be sure. Here are the pluses:

1. It’s a demand pump, which means you don’t need the accumulator at all
2. It’s very quiet
3. It’s foot print seems to fit very nicely onto the mounting/vibration platform that exists for the current pump.
4. About $100

The only downside is I haven't been able too figure out how to wire it so that the green water pump indicator lamp on the 24V panel lights up. Major fear is a small leak in the fresh water system out at sea, pump staying on unnoticed, and then an empty water tank.

Hope to see you at the Chesapeake rally in Kristy this time instead of a paddle board. Pat, are you organizing this?

Tom Peacock
Aletes, SM #240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Kent,
When our pump showed symptoms like yours on the way back from Guatamala, it was the one way valve. We happened to have a spare on board, and it solved the issue. I'm out of town for a few days, but will be in St Augustine Tuesday, and can give you the one way valve. We replace our pump recently with something else, and I have the old pump and one way valve. 

Steve
S/V Aloha SM 72
At Augustine, Florida 


On Apr 10, 2015, at 20:17, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm looking at the schematic for my pump and don't see a one-way valve.  Is it at the tank fitting?  Guess I'm unclear how it's supposed to work.

Kent
SM243
Kristy.


On Apr 10, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The problem is in the valve on the accumulator tank it can be teplaced very easily


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Pat,
I'll let you know what I figure out.
Kent


On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have the same problem, I figured that if the bladder failed the entire tank would fill with water and it would be as though I had no tank at all ,the tank would be no different than an extension of  the tubing . In a house when the cold water tank loses it air and becomes water bound the pump does not cycle on and off, however the pump comes on as soon as you use any water , even a cup. I have a Jabsco SensorMax 17 variable speed pump. It has been coming on for about two seconds every minute and I have no leaks. Jabsco tech said it could likely be an internal leak inside the pump that would cause it to cycle. I did not completely understand his explanation but he seemed to know pumps . I am taking a new pump down with us in a couple weeks when we return to the boat in Tortola. The tech guy agreed with my assumption that the tank would fill with water and would not cause it to cycle.
 Pat SM Shenanigans
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 
Hi Alexandre,
I believe this is the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.

I don't think this is much of a problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or bladder.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Good afternoon Kent,
Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder problem.
I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.
Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.
Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.
What were the symptoms of the failure?
Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem during the last months…
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM


 









Hi All,
The bladder has failed in
my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter
stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA
66B-K.

Does anyone have a
US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple places
that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone know
if the bladder can be changed without replacing the tank? 
The bladder is listed on my information as a separate part,
so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bill- water tank vent

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

OK. I posted that photo a few years ago when I was opening all off the tank inspection ports and cleaning. It was quite a project and really not worth it because the tank can be cleaned with chlorine added and then flushed several times to get the chlorine out.

On BeBe, 387, you will see this when the aft floor locker under the dining table is opened. The hose is about two feet long and terminates with an open end (venting) under the dining table at the highest point inside that locker. Iam sure your SM has the same.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 11, 2015 11:16 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

If you click on this link an wait 30 seconds you can go to the 4th photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/ albums/364756240/lightbox/2138266662?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 3:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Eric,

The photo I posted this morning is a blow-up of the 66B pump by Reya. Befor ee Reya it was made by A.M.F.A. I believe that the 66B pump is no longer available, but Amel has overhaul kits that will include everything you might need except for new bearings. The kit does not supply the check valve either, but I believe it is rare to have a failure of this part.

I am not aware of a water tank vent, other than the venting performed by the tank level gauge pipe.

Are you referring to the supply line from the water tank to the pump? It would not be in this drawing, but I can take a photo if you like.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 11, 2015 8:05 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Nice photos- thanks.

Where is the water tank vent hose located. I could not tell from the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Kent,

 

I posted a blow-up of Fresh Water Pump 66B with the one-way valve circled in red.

 

 

However, the symptoms you described indicate replacement of the accumulator tank.

 

If the pump was cycling without any faucet opening, the one way valve or the pressure switch would be likely suspects.

 

Best advice is get a tank from Amel. When you install it take a look at the pressure switch orifice...it will need cleaning. You can clean it without disassembly.

 

Bill

BeBe 387


Bill- water tank vent

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

If you click on this link an wait 30 seconds you can go to the 4th photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/364756240/lightbox/2138266662?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 3:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Eric,

The photo I posted this morning is a blow-up of the 66B pump by Reya. Beforee Reya it was made by A.M.F.A. I believe that the 66B pump is no longer available, but Amel has overhaul kits that will include everything you might need except for new bearings. The kit does not supply the check valve either, but I believe it is rare to have a failure of this part.

I am not aware of a water tank vent, other than the venting performed by the tank level gauge pipe.

Are you referring to the supply line from the water tank to the pump? It would not be in this drawing, but I can take a photo if you like.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 11, 2015 8:05 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Nice photos- thanks.

Where is the water tank vent hose located. I could not tell from the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Kent,

 

I posted a blow-up of Fresh Water Pump 66B with the one-way valve circled in red.

 

 

However, the symptoms you described indicate replacement of the accumulator tank.

 

If the pump was cycling without any faucet opening, the one way valve or the pressure switch would be likely suspects.

 

Best advice is get a tank from Amel. When you install it take a look at the pressure switch orifice...it will need cleaning. You can clean it without disassembly.

 

Bill

BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

HI Bill,

If you go to the 4th photo in the series in your link you will see a reinforced pipe which you labeled water tank vent, there is also a plug in the area that you surmised might be a input to the water tank for a desalinator you  labeled “water tank access.”

There is another area of the photo that says –“vent hose end very near fiberglass”.

Where is this hose located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 3:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Eric,

The photo I posted this morning is a blow-up of the 66B pump by Reya. Beforee Reya it was made by A.M.F.A. I believe that the 66B pump is no longer available, but Amel has overhaul kits that will include everything you might need except for new bearings. The kit does not supply the check valve either, but I believe it is rare to have a failure of this part.

I am not aware of a water tank vent, other than the venting performed by the tank level gauge pipe.

Are you referring to the supply line from the water tank to the pump? It would not be in this drawing, but I can take a photo if you like.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 11, 2015 8:05 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Nice photos- thanks.

Where is the water tank vent hose located. I could not tell from the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Kent,

 

I posted a blow-up of Fresh Water Pump 66B with the one-way valve circled in red.

 

 

However, the symptoms you described indicate replacement of the accumulator tank.

 

If the pump was cycling without any faucet opening, the one way valve or the pressure switch would be likely suspects.

 

Best advice is get a tank from Amel. When you install it take a look at the pressure switch orifice...it will need cleaning. You can clean it without disassembly.

 

Bill

BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

The photo I posted this morning is a blow-up of the 66B pump by Reya. Beforee Reya it was made by A.M.F.A. I believe that the 66B pump is no longer available, but Amel has overhaul kits that will include everything you might need except for new bearings. The kit does not supply the check valve either, but I believe it is rare to have a failure of this part.

I am not aware of a water tank vent, other than the venting performed by the tank level gauge pipe.

Are you referring to the supply line from the water tank to the pump? It would not be in this drawing, but I can take a photo if you like.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 11, 2015 8:05 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

Nice photos- thanks.

Where is the water tank vent hose located. I could not tell from the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Kent,

 

I posted a blow-up of Fresh Water Pump 66B with the one-way valve circled in red.

 

 

However, the symptoms you described indicate replacement of the accumulator tank.

 

If the pump was cycling without any faucet opening, the one way valve or the pressure switch would be likely suspects.

 

Best advice is get a tank from Amel. When you install it take a look at the pressure switch orifice...it will need cleaning. You can clean it without disassembly.

 

Bill

BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

Nice photos- thanks.

Where is the water tank vent hose located. I could not tell from the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

Kent,

 

I posted a blow-up of Fresh Water Pump 66B with the one-way valve circled in red.

 

 

However, the symptoms you described indicate replacement of the accumulator tank.

 

If the pump was cycling without any faucet opening, the one way valve or the pressure switch would be likely suspects.

 

Best advice is get a tank from Amel. When you install it take a look at the pressure switch orifice...it will need cleaning. You can clean it without disassembly.

 

Bill

BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

yahoogroups@...
 

Kent,

I posted a blow-up of Fresh Water Pump 66B with the one-way valve circled in red.

 
However, the symptoms you described indicate replacement of the accumulator tank.

If the pump was cycling without any faucet opening, the one way valve or the pressure switch would be likely suspects.

Best advice is get a tank from Amel. When you install it take a look at the pressure switch orifice...it will need cleaning. You can clean it without disassembly.

Bill
BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

It looks like a  1 ½ inch long brass fitting attached to the pump manifold.

Been a long time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

 

I'm looking at the schematic for my pump and don't see a one-way valve.  Is it at the tank fitting?  Guess I'm unclear how it's supposed to work.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy.


On Apr 10, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The problem is in the valve on the accumulator tank it can be teplaced very easily


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Pat,

I'll let you know what I figure out.

Kent


On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have the same problem, I figured that if the bladder failed the entire tank would fill with water and it would be as though I had no tank at all ,the tank would be no different than an extension of  the tubing . In a house when the cold water tank loses it air and becomes water bound the pump does not cycle on and off, however the pump comes on as soon as you use any water , even a cup. I have a Jabsco SensorMax 17 variable speed pump. It has been coming on for about two seconds every minute and I have no leaks. Jabsco tech said it could likely be an internal leak inside the pump that would cause it to cycle. I did not completely understand his explanation but he seemed to know pumps . I am taking a new pump down with us in a couple weeks when we return to the boat in Tortola. The tech guy agreed with my assumption that the tank would fill with water and would not cause it to cycle.

 Pat SM Shenanigans

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 

Hi Alexandre,

I believe this is the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.

 

I don't think this is much of a problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or bladder.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy




On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Kent,
Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder problem.
I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.
Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.
Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.
What were the symptoms of the failure?
Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem during the last months…
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM


 









Hi All,
The bladder has failed in
my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter
stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA
66B-K.

Does anyone have a
US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple places
that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone know
if the bladder can be changed without replacing the tank? 
The bladder is listed on my information as a separate part,
so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu copy

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Wow talk about an Amel clone !!

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu copy

 

 

As a former Davidson owner I can assure you this is not a Davidson. I suspect the broker messed up.

Cheers

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New zealand
 


From: "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 10 April 2015 9:00 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu copy

 

 

I thought this might be interesting to SM owners. I have no connection to the boat but the respected designer appears to have been very heavily influenced by Amel.

 

image

Used Davidson 52 for Sale | Yachts For Sale | Yachthub

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

karkauai
 

I'm looking at the schematic for my pump and don't see a one-way valve.  Is it at the tank fitting?  Guess I'm unclear how it's supposed to work.

Kent
SM243
Kristy.


On Apr 10, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The problem is in the valve on the accumulator tank it can be teplaced very easily


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Pat,
I'll let you know what I figure out.
Kent


On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have the same problem, I figured that if the bladder failed the entire tank would fill with water and it would be as though I had no tank at all ,the tank would be no different than an extension of  the tubing . In a house when the cold water tank loses it air and becomes water bound the pump does not cycle on and off, however the pump comes on as soon as you use any water , even a cup. I have a Jabsco SensorMax 17 variable speed pump. It has been coming on for about two seconds every minute and I have no leaks. Jabsco tech said it could likely be an internal leak inside the pump that would cause it to cycle. I did not completely understand his explanation but he seemed to know pumps . I am taking a new pump down with us in a couple weeks when we return to the boat in Tortola. The tech guy agreed with my assumption that the tank would fill with water and would not cause it to cycle.
 Pat SM Shenanigans
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 
Hi Alexandre,
I believe this is the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.

I don't think this is much of a problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or bladder.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Good afternoon Kent,
Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder problem.
I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.
Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.
Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.
What were the symptoms of the failure?
Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem during the last months…
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM


 









Hi All,
The bladder has failed in
my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter
stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA
66B-K.

Does anyone have a
US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple places
that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone know
if the bladder can be changed without replacing the tank? 
The bladder is listed on my information as a separate part,
so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu copy

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

As a former Davidson owner I can assure you this is not a Davidson. I suspect the broker messed up.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New zealand
 


From: "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 10 April 2015 9:00 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu copy

 
I thought this might be interesting to SM owners. I have no connection to the boat but the respected designer appears to have been very heavily influenced by Amel.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

The problem is in the valve on the accumulator tank it can be teplaced very easily


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Pat,
I'll let you know what I figure out.
Kent


On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have the same problem, I figured that if the bladder failed the entire tank would fill with water and it would be as though I had no tank at all ,the tank would be no different than an extension of  the tubing . In a house when the cold water tank loses it air and becomes water bound the pump does not cycle on and off, however the pump comes on as soon as you use any water , even a cup. I have a Jabsco SensorMax 17 variable speed pump. It has been coming on for about two seconds every minute and I have no leaks. Jabsco tech said it could likely be an internal leak inside the pump that would cause it to cycle. I did not completely understand his explanation but he seemed to know pumps . I am taking a new pump down with us in a couple weeks when we return to the boat in Tortola. The tech guy agreed with my assumption that the tank would fill with water and would not cause it to cycle.
 Pat SM Shenanigans
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 
Hi Alexandre,
I believe this is the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.

I don't think this is much of a problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or bladder.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Good afternoon Kent,
Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder problem.
I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.
Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.
Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.
What were the symptoms of the failure?
Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem during the last months…
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM


 









Hi All,
The bladder has failed in
my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter
stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA
66B-K.

Does anyone have a
US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple places
that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone know
if the bladder can be changed without replacing the tank? 
The bladder is listed on my information as a separate part,
so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Mast mounting bolts

Patrick McAneny
 

Gary, You did not say why you need to access the bolts that secure the deck plate beneath the mizzen mast. If you are planning to de- step the mast you do not need to touch the plate, the mast simply sits on top of the plate. We came home for a couple weeks ,boat is in Sopers Hole , be back end of month, can't wait weather sucks here, going back via Bermuda maybe we will see you , especially if we go back with the Dogs. Let us know what you are trying to do with the mast then the group can better assist you.  Pat SM Shenanigans
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: gary@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 1:50 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Mast mounting bolts

 
Greetings!

We are enjoying the winter in the BVI aboard Adagio.  Today I ran into a bit of a mystery and was hoping to find out if anyone has explored this before (no luck on a search). 

The mizzen mast sits atop an aluminum plate that is secured with four sizeable machine screws. Two are slotted and two (longer ones) are eye-bolts with the mizzen control line blocks attached. 

Removing the access panel in the aft head, I can see that the two forward most screws are secured with washers and nuts below the deck, but the two aft ones are not accessible as far as I can tell.  Are they threaded into some kind of receiver, or just bedded/epoxied in place? 

It looks as though I would have to tear down headliner if in fact there are nuts recessed in the underside some where...  If anyone has replaced these aft screws I would appreciate the know-how.

Thanks in advance,

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

karkauai
 

Thanks Pat,
I'll let you know what I figure out.
Kent


On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have the same problem, I figured that if the bladder failed the entire tank would fill with water and it would be as though I had no tank at all ,the tank would be no different than an extension of  the tubing . In a house when the cold water tank loses it air and becomes water bound the pump does not cycle on and off, however the pump comes on as soon as you use any water , even a cup. I have a Jabsco SensorMax 17 variable speed pump. It has been coming on for about two seconds every minute and I have no leaks. Jabsco tech said it could likely be an internal leak inside the pump that would cause it to cycle. I did not completely understand his explanation but he seemed to know pumps . I am taking a new pump down with us in a couple weeks when we return to the boat in Tortola. The tech guy agreed with my assumption that the tank would fill with water and would not cause it to cycle.
 Pat SM Shenanigans
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 
Hi Alexandre,
I believe this is the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.

I don't think this is much of a problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or bladder.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Good afternoon Kent,
Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder problem.
I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.
Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.
Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.
What were the symptoms of the failure?
Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem during the last months…
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM


 









Hi All,
The bladder has failed in
my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter
stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA
66B-K.

Does anyone have a
US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple places
that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone know
if the bladder can be changed without replacing the tank? 
The bladder is listed on my information as a separate part,
so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, I have the same problem, I figured that if the bladder failed the entire tank would fill with water and it would be as though I had no tank at all ,the tank would be no different than an extension of  the tubing . In a house when the cold water tank loses it air and becomes water bound the pump does not cycle on and off, however the pump comes on as soon as you use any water , even a cup. I have a Jabsco SensorMax 17 variable speed pump. It has been coming on for about two seconds every minute and I have no leaks. Jabsco tech said it could likely be an internal leak inside the pump that would cause it to cycle. I did not completely understand his explanation but he seemed to know pumps . I am taking a new pump down with us in a couple weeks when we return to the boat in Tortola. The tech guy agreed with my assumption that the tank would fill with water and would not cause it to cycle.
 Pat SM Shenanigans
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

 
Hi Alexandre,
I believe this is the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.

I don't think this is much of a problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or bladder.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Good afternoon Kent,
Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder problem.
I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.
Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.
Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.
What were the symptoms of the failure?
Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem during the last months…
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM


 









Hi All,
The bladder has failed in
my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter
stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA
66B-K.

Does anyone have a
US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple places
that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone know
if the bladder can be changed without replacing the tank? 
The bladder is listed on my information as a separate part,
so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

I don't think you can change the bladder and to change the whole tank must be easier. The tank is a standard one. Go to your nearest boat stuff shop, they will have it.

Regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila SM232

Skickat från min iPad

10 apr 2015 kl. 05:55 skrev "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thanks Ken,
Keep me posted if you can replace the bladder would be much more cost efficient than replacing the whole accumulator
As I mentioned I got spare accumulator from Amel Martinique, I just look at the price, in 2012 it was 139 Euro. If it was today about $150 (but the shipping might be just as much).
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/9/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 8:14 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,I believe this is
the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The
pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two
before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I
checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open
with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air
into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the
next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm
pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.
I don't think this is much of a
problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system
for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked
flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or
bladder.
KentSM243Kristy


On Apr 9,
2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon Kent,

Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder
problem.

I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.

Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.


Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.

What were the symptoms of the failure?

Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem
during the last months…

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
USA

Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator
tank

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM





 



















Hi All,

The bladder has failed in

my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter

stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA

66B-K.



Does anyone have a

US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple
places

that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone
know

if the bladder can be changed without replacing the
tank? 

The bladder is listed on my information as a separate
part,

so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.



Thanks,

Kent

SM243

Kristy









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Ken,
Keep me posted if you can replace the bladder would be much more cost efficient than replacing the whole accumulator
As I mentioned I got spare accumulator from Amel Martinique, I just look at the price, in 2012 it was 139 Euro. If it was today about $150 (but the shipping might be just as much).
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre


--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/9/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator tank
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 8:14 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,I believe this is
the original pump so it has lasted about 15 years.  The
pump is still working, but it only stops for a second or two
before it kicks back on again with any water being used.  I
checked the pipe to the pressure switch and it was wide open
with no accumulated mineral deposits.  I pumped some air
into the back of the tank and it worked fine again until the
next day when I had to put more air in the tank.  I'm
pretty sure that means the bladder has failed.
I don't think this is much of a
problem since I've totally ignored my fresh water system
for all 6 years I've owned the boat and it has worked
flawlessly.  I just need to find a replacement tank or
bladder.
KentSM243Kristy
On Apr 9,
2015, at 8:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon Kent,

Sorry to read about your fresh water accumulator’s bladder
problem.

I got my spare accumulator from Amel Martinique.

Then had to find some fitting (all metrics) was not easy.


Don’t know if the bladder can be changed.

What were the symptoms of the failure?

Good luck to you, you seem to have had your share of problem
during the last months…

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

in Repair & maintenance in Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
USA

Leaving at the end of the month to Grand Bahama, Bahamas.




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/9/15, karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump accumulator
tank

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:57 PM





 



















Hi All,

The bladder has failed in

my fresh water accumulator tank.  It's the 2liter

stainless tank attached to the original Feit pump AMFA

66B-K.



Does anyone have a

US source for parts?  I've contacted a couple
places

that looked promising, but no reply yet.  Does anyone
know

if the bladder can be changed without replacing the
tank? 

The bladder is listed on my information as a separate
part,

so I'm guessing it can be replaced separately.



Thanks,

Kent

SM243

Kristy


Super Maramu copy

jjjk12s@...
 

I thought this might be interesting to SM owners. I have no connection to the boat but the respected designer appears to have been very heavily influenced by Amel.


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