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Re: broken bolts off the flexible coupling

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

Hello craig,

Than you for your reply. I think i will try "plan B"

Kind regards

Phil



Re: broken bolts off the flexible coupling

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

Hello Jochen,

Thank you for the offer.But the flexible coupling/generator is not broken only the bolts...

Thank you

Kind regards

phil

miles ahead


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

I know the Lone Star as we anchored next to them a month ago in Little Josh Van Dyke and had the pleasure of meeting Craig & Jan. We are both from Texas.

I also have an AMEL 54 in perfect condition. BOZO CINQ has been well maintained by loving, caring and knowledgeable owners. It is presently located in the VI’s. It is listed with an outstanding brokerage firm who has sold and knows AMELS. Look at Swiftsureyachts.com for detailed information about the BOZO CINQ. 

TO: Those people in this Group looking to buy an Amel - The BOZO CINQ is an Amel that you should look at! It is possible that this is one of the best Amels offered for new ownership. Even if you are looking for a newer or older model, this is the one you should use as a benchmark against all others.

Gary & Joanne Wollenberg
Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

karkauai
 

I recently purchased 300 ft of G40 3/8" HT from 1st chain supply.  Good price, shipped quickly, nice chain.


Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:35 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill:


I have just been re-reading the various posts on the forum on anchor chain.  I appreciate your insights.  It would appear that Liahona (hull #335) was originally outfitted by Amel with 10mm HT (high test)  ISO 4565 chain.  This is a G40 (Group 40) chain that gives a working load of 7,200 lbs (as best as I can determine).

The only marine chain that I can find in the USA is ACCO chain (now owned by Peerless).  It is listed as 3/8 inch ISO chain with and inside link length of 1.220 inches that converts to 30.988 mm.  In fact Budget Marine St. Martin list this chain as 3/8 in ISO P31, whereas our gypsy (as originally supplied by Amel) is a P30.  

Any thoughts on the 0.988 mm difference in pitch making a difference.  I know the DIN 28 mm Pitch doesn't fit the P30 gypsy. 

Anybody else out there purchased and used ACCO 3/8 inch ISO HT P31 chain with the original Amel Lofrenz gypsy?

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335
Lying St. Thomas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Craig,

This is perfect.

I know that LONE STAR is an Amel 54 in perfect condition. LONE STAR has been well maintained by loving, caring, and knowledgeable owners.

The fact that Joel is going to be with you on your final ocean passage will enable him to hand over LONE STAR to new owners with complete confidence, and with hands-on experience and  knowledge of the boat. Those new owners will truly be lucky. They will be buying one of the best 2008 Amel 54s, from great first owners and the broker selling her to them is not only Joel Potter, but he has just made an ocean passage in the boat. Fantastic!

Every year several prospective Amel owners ask me to recommend a boat or a broker. I always recommend the Amel Guy (Joel Potter) because he has sold more Amels than anyone in the world and he is the most knowledgeable person regarding Amels. Let me assure you that I will put every person contacting me in touch with you and Joel.

I had a conversation yesterday with a Dutch guy looking to buy a 54 without VAT, possibly in the Caribbean or US. I will see him today and continue the conversation, this time with a discussion about LONE STAR and Joel Potter. If he is serious I will put you and Joel in contact with him.

Good luck. My guess is that LONE STAR will have new owners before you expect it (I hope the new owners keep the name.)

TO: Those people in this Group looking to buy an Amel - This is an Amel that you should look at! It is possible that this will be one of the best Amels offered for new ownership. Even if you are looking for a newer or older model, this is the one you should use as a benchmark against all others.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Apr 17, 2015 10:41 PM, "sv.lonestar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After seven truly amazing years aboard our beloved Amel 54, LONE STAR, Jan and I have decided to swallow the anchor, at least for a while, as we embark on new adventures.

We have considered our options carefully and have decided to enlist the aid of Joel Potter to find new caretakers for LONE STAR. Joel was the ‘team leader’ in our acquisition process and the good council and advice he gave us as we ordered and outfitted LONE STAR has been borne out as we traveled throughout the Mediterranean and Turkey before an unforgettable Trans-Atlantic passage that was followed by several seasons in the Caribbean and an exploration of the Chesapeake.

We plan to participate in the ARC USA Rally from Tortola to Ft. Lauderdale in May where we will officially import LONE STAR and put her up for sale. Joel will be on board for this final rally in addition to the regular 'salts'. Joel insisted on making the passage to evaluate and make observations about the true overall condition of LONE STAR and to be able to make factual representations about our Amel 54’s ability to keep on moving to the destination of your dreams. We are awaiting Joel’s arrival and inspection of LONE STAR before we set a realistic asking price. Please contact me at 713-898-9830, sv.lonestar"at"gmail"dot"com or Joel at jfpottercys"at"att"dot"net, 954-462-5869 if you have any questions.

Craig and Jan Scott
LONE STAR
A54 #101
currently in Virgin Islands


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How do you remove the Prop shaft??

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi you might contact Riza in Turkey he works on 80_90 Amel boats a year has a machine shop and spares. Riza Cagdas CAKIR
Emek Marin
cagdas@...
Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 18, 2015, at 00:40, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

To the gang,


Unfortunately our prop shaft got bent upon hauling last week - long story but the lifting sling went under the prop.  The bend is 15 thousandths (inch) which the local prop gurus say dictates having to remove it to fix or replace.


Does anyone know how to remove it? 


My take from studying what limited material I have is to disconnect the top of the drive from the steel framework, then maneuver the entire drive so I can rotate it and get at the front part where the shaft stub goes into the keel.  Then remove the fairing compound, and hopefully find some sort of end cap that can be removed to allow the shaft to slide out.  But I'm just guessing and that seems too easy.


Any first hand knowledge would be greatly appreciated.


Best to all,

Craig Briggs, 1992 SN#68 Sangaris, Ft Lauderdale.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How do you remove the Prop shaft??

karkauai
 

Having had electrolytic damage to my prop shaft and considered all the options, I elected to remove the lower part of the drive and send it to Amel for repairs.  After two months of shipping and  customs delays, it arrived at Amel who sent it to the company who built it for Amel.  They got back to Amel a month later and said they couldn't get tolerances adequate and said they wouldn't send it back with any confidence.  They built a new one and said they wouldn't guarantee anything if I used he old upper part of the drive.  It took another 6 wks to get the new upper drive.

I never tried to disassemble the lower drive, so can't tell you how that is done.

If you decide to send it to Amel, be sure you make clear what will be needed to get everything shipped in a timely fashion.  Then be prepared to get only part of what you need.

I'm 14 months after discovering my prop shaft damage and am still not back in the water yet.

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Apr 17, 2015, at 5:40 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

To the gang,


Unfortunately our prop shaft got bent upon hauling last week - long story but the lifting sling went under the prop.  The bend is 15 thousandths (inch) which the local prop gurus say dictates having to remove it to fix or replace.


Does anyone know how to remove it? 


My take from studying what limited material I have is to disconnect the top of the drive from the steel framework, then maneuver the entire drive so I can rotate it and get at the front part where the shaft stub goes into the keel.  Then remove the fairing compound, and hopefully find some sort of end cap that can be removed to allow the shaft to slide out.  But I'm just guessing and that seems too easy.


Any first hand knowledge would be greatly appreciated.


Best to all,

Craig Briggs, 1992 SN#68 Sangaris, Ft Lauderdale.


Re: broken bolts off the flexible coupling

jochen@...
 

Phil,
as far as I remember it is the same coupling on the Maramu (Vetus Flexcoupling model 6 35mm shaft (KO53)).
In case that's true I just wanted to let you know we have the coupling here as a spare - bought it last autumn to replace when we next time get on the hard. That did not happen so far, will only next winter and until then we are going to travel to the states and canada and can buy replacement. We don't have any bolts though... Let us know if you need.
Jochen and Traudl
Maramu #143 Blue Song


How do you remove the Prop shaft??

Craig Briggs
 

To the gang,


Unfortunately our prop shaft got bent upon hauling last week - long story but the lifting sling went under the prop.  The bend is 15 thousandths (inch) which the local prop gurus say dictates having to remove it to fix or replace.


Does anyone know how to remove it? 


My take from studying what limited material I have is to disconnect the top of the drive from the steel framework, then maneuver the entire drive so I can rotate it and get at the front part where the shaft stub goes into the keel.  Then remove the fairing compound, and hopefully find some sort of end cap that can be removed to allow the shaft to slide out.  But I'm just guessing and that seems too easy.


Any first hand knowledge would be greatly appreciated.


Best to all,

Craig Briggs, 1992 SN#68 Sangaris, Ft Lauderdale.


Amel 54 for Sale

Craig Scott
 

After seven truly amazing years aboard our beloved Amel 54, LONE STAR, Jan and I have decided to swallow the anchor, at least for a while, as we embark on new adventures.

We have considered our options carefully and have decided to enlist the aid of Joel Potter to find new caretakers for LONE STAR. Joel was the ‘team leader’ in our acquisition process and the good council and advice he gave us as we ordered and outfitted LONE STAR has been borne out as we traveled throughout the Mediterranean and Turkey before an unforgettable Trans-Atlantic passage that was followed by several seasons in the Caribbean and an exploration of the Chesapeake.

We plan to participate in the ARC USA Rally from Tortola to Ft. Lauderdale in May where we will officially import LONE STAR and put her up for sale. Joel will be on board for this final rally in addition to the regular 'salts'. Joel insisted on making the passage to evaluate and make observations about the true overall condition of LONE STAR and to be able to make factual representations about our Amel 54’s ability to keep on moving to the destination of your dreams. We are awaiting Joel’s arrival and inspection of LONE STAR before we set a realistic asking price. Please contact me at 713-898-9830, sv.lonestar"at"gmail"dot"com or Joel at jfpottercys"at"att"dot"net, 954-462-5869 if you have any questions.

Craig and Jan Scott
LONE STAR
A54 #101
currently in Virgin Islands


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gang,

I know the gent who publishes this site..  loads of anchor/chain info.


Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007… still in refit…!



On 17 Apr 2015, at 20:35, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill:


I have just been re-reading the various posts on the forum on anchor chain.  I appreciate your insights.  It would appear that Liahona (hull #335) was originally outfitted by Amel with 10mm HT (high test)  ISO 4565 chain.  This is a G40 (Group 40) chain that gives a working load of 7,200 lbs (as best as I can determine).

The only marine chain that I can find in the USA is ACCO chain (now owned by Peerless).  It is listed as 3/8 inch ISO chain with and inside link length of 1.220 inches that converts to 30.988 mm.  In fact Budget Marine St. Martin list this chain as 3/8 in ISO P31, whereas our gypsy (as originally supplied by Amel) is a P30.  

Any thoughts on the 0.988 mm difference in pitch making a difference.  I know the DIN 28 mm Pitch doesn't fit the P30 gypsy. 

Anybody else out there purchased and used ACCO 3/8 inch ISO HT P31 chain with the original Amel Lofrenz gypsy?

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335
Lying St. Thomas


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gary, in about 2006, we added about 25 meters of this Budget Marine chain with a P31 pitch to our original chain to give us 100 meters for Pacific anchorages. It ran fine with our P30 original gypsy, although we rarely put out more than about 74 meters.

When we were in Turkey we replaced the chain and the gypsy with 10mm DIN.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Apr 17, 2015 7:36 PM, "amelliahona" <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill:


I have just been re-reading the various posts on the forum on anchor chain.  I appreciate your insights.  It would appear that Liahona (hull #335) was originally outfitted by Amel with 10mm HT (high test)  ISO 4565 chain.  This is a G40 (Group 40) chain that gives a working load of 7,200 lbs (as best as I can determine).

The only marine chain that I can find in the USA is ACCO chain (now owned by Peerless).  It is listed as 3/8 inch ISO chain with and inside link length of 1.220 inches that converts to 30.988 mm.  In fact Budget Marine St. Martin list this chain as 3/8 in ISO P31, whereas our gypsy (as originally supplied by Amel) is a P30.  

Any thoughts on the 0.988 mm difference in pitch making a difference.  I know the DIN 28 mm Pitch doesn't fit the P30 gypsy. 

Anybody else out there purchased and used ACCO 3/8 inch ISO HT P31 chain with the original Amel Lofrenz gypsy?

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335
Lying St. Thomas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bill:

I have just been re-reading the various posts on the forum on anchor chain.  I appreciate your insights.  It would appear that Liahona (hull #335) was originally outfitted by Amel with 10mm HT (high test)  ISO 4565 chain.  This is a G40 (Group 40) chain that gives a working load of 7,200 lbs (as best as I can determine).

The only marine chain that I can find in the USA is ACCO chain (now owned by Peerless).  It is listed as 3/8 inch ISO chain with and inside link length of 1.220 inches that converts to 30.988 mm.  In fact Budget Marine St. Martin list this chain as 3/8 in ISO P31, whereas our gypsy (as originally supplied by Amel) is a P30.  

Any thoughts on the 0.988 mm difference in pitch making a difference.  I know the DIN 28 mm Pitch doesn't fit the P30 gypsy. 

Anybody else out there purchased and used ACCO 3/8 inch ISO HT P31 chain with the original Amel Lofrenz gypsy?

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335
Lying St. Thomas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The most important issue with 3/8" and/or 10mm chain is the "pitch" which is the length of the link. 3/8 chain comes in two different pitches and if you do not match the gypsy correctly, you will have to buy a new windlass gypsy.

Most gypsies are marked. Go the the photos section of the Amel Owner's Group and search on chain, you will see a photo of a Lofranz gypsy marked 3/8 10 HD P 30.This is most likely what you have. But, you could have DIN standard which is a different pitch. Do some internet searches for DIN and ISO 3/8" chain and you will see what I am talking about.

The difference in pitch between DIN and ISO is small. If you cannot identify what your gypsy is, take it off and with you to shop for chain. When shopping, manually lay at least two feet through the gypsy to see if it lays properly. Remember, I said the difference is slight. When you are doing your research write down the different pitches so that you are prepared and maybe bring a micrometer to measure.

I hope this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Apr 17, 2015 3:00 PM, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Just a quick question.....I removed and inspected my 300' of anchor chain. I have some suspect links (it appears the chain was never flipped end for end). Anyway on my sharki / lofrens tigres, the chain gypsy has 6 link wells and my measured chain is 3/8".


I spoke with Imtra, and now the question is the chain HT, BBB, or PC?  My guess is HT, but I need to confirm before I order new chain....Any thoughts?


BTW> if anyone wants to buy my old chain, $2 per foot for 275' of good chain.  I'll whackin off the about 30' off one end.  I'm in Annapolis area and can drop off.


Thanks,


Aras

Sharki #183


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sonic Speed transducer repair/replacement - how?

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks Olivier and Bill.  I think I've located the forward transducer pipe, it is in the saloon settee where the second fridge/freezer is located, on the bulkhead just behind the mast support.  Is that correct?  I still don't know how I get to the actual cable?  I'm having trouble sourcing the straight transducers.  So far from B&G and Tinley in the UK, they only have the angled ones.  Does anybody know a supplier for these straight ones?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece


Re: broken bolts off the flexible coupling

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Phil,
This is a common problem - see several old posts by searching Vetus Coupling.  

Basic issue is the bolts will not come out unless you slide the engine back 2 or 3 inches and remove the coupling from the shaft going into the C drive. Moving the engine takes about an hour or two and is not difficult to do: take the nuts off the unbroken coupling bolts,  remove the 4 engine mounting bolts then take the weight off the engine with line run through the mainsheet block on the mizzen from the engine lifting rings to a primary winch - belay that line forward with a snatch block so it doesn't load up against the engine room hatch cover. 

The next step is you've got to remove the Vetus coupling from the C drive shaft. This can be easy or nearly impossible.  I've done it on a couple of Santorins and actually broken a very beefy wheel puller - finally fabricated one of 1/2 inch plate steel and it worked. Got another one off with a hand sledge hammer and several different chisels and steel wedges and about 5 hours of frustration.

I'd say give it a try but if the coupling is really stuck, give up early and go to Plan B, which is to cut off the heads of the broken bolts with a hacksaw and get them out - then replace with threaded studs with nuts on both ends. Or just go with Plan B only.

By the way, Amel had welded a little angled rod onto the bolt heads that goes into the Vetus coupling and keeps the bolt from turning when you tighten the bolts - that nice but not needed as you can easily get an open end wrench (spanner) on both the bolt head and the nut.  Do use Nyloc nuts and do not overtighten the bolts which is likely the reason they failed in the first place as the Vetus Flex coupling is by definition going to flex.

Good luck with it,
Craig Briggs, 1992 SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Hello everybody,


I discovered a few weeks ago a broken (off) locknut under the engine ... i discovered it was one off the 4 locknut/bolts off the flexible coupling/ generator .

I tigthened the three remaining locknut bolts and continued sailing motoring in the bocas del toro area panama.

It was mostly motoring and no heavy seas i useally motor my MD22 L at 2400 revs and do more or less 5 to 5.5 knots depending on the seastate.

Yesterday i motored out off an anchoridge and noticed more fibrations and tougth i had something in the propeller... took a dive and checked it... nothing .I went in the engineoom and discovered two more bolts and lock nuts from the flexible coupling had broken off . i motored backslowly and i am  now in a safe anchoridge.

All my plans to go north are gone... 

Does anyone have any experiance with this problem? All the advice, suggestions  are wellcome


Chased murphy off the boat and hope he stays away.


Thank you in advance


Phil


Miles ahead


Santorin 1994 nr 101

 



chain size

n33077@...
 

Just a quick question.....I removed and inspected my 300' of anchor chain. I have some suspect links (it appears the chain was never flipped end for end). Anyway on my sharki / lofrens tigres, the chain gypsy has 6 link wells and my measured chain is 3/8".


I spoke with Imtra, and now the question is the chain HT, BBB, or PC?  My guess is HT, but I need to confirm before I order new chain....Any thoughts?


BTW> if anyone wants to buy my old chain, $2 per foot for 275' of good chain.  I'll whackin off the about 30' off one end.  I'm in Annapolis area and can drop off.


Thanks,


Aras

Sharki #183


Re: broken bolts off the flexible coupling

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

thank you allen, could be wrigth what you say about checking them on a regular basis would prevent the problem, i will certainly do so in the future..
 thank you
phil


Re: broken bolts off the flexible coupling

Alan Leslie
 

Yes !...
I heard of a Maramu that had broken bolts.
The engineer that repaired it advised me to check the bolts....I did, and found they were a little loose.
I tightened them and now check them every month or so...and so far they are still tight.
I believe the problem is that they vibrate loose and after some hours of being driven in the loose state they break.
Also the way Amel assembled that coupling they are almost impossible to get out.
There are other older posts on the forum about this....and how to replace them.
Good luck
Alan 
Elyse SM437


broken bolts off the flexible coupling

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

Hello everybody,


I discovered a few weeks ago a broken (off) locknut under the engine ... i discovered it was one off the 4 locknut/bolts off the flexible coupling/ generator .

I tigthened the three remaining locknut bolts and continued sailing motoring in the bocas del toro area panama.

It was mostly motoring and no heavy seas i useally motor my MD22 L at 2400 revs and do more or less 5 to 5.5 knots depending on the seastate.

Yesterday i motored out off an anchoridge and noticed more fibrations and tougth i had something in the propeller... took a dive and checked it... nothing .I went in the engineroom and discovered two more bolts and lock nuts from the flexible coupling had broken off . i motored backslowly and i am  now in a safe anchoridge.

All my plans to go north are gone... 

Does anyone have any experiance with this problem? All the advice, suggestions  are wellcome


Chased murphy off the boat and hope he stays away.


Thank you in advance


Phil


Miles ahead


Santorin 1994 nr 101