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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Graham,

I think I read on the forum someone use his fresh water tank to cool down his freezer.
This sounds like a good idea, not sure what minimum level of water you need in your tank when the boat heels 15 degree, etc.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Sincerely, Alexandre


--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 4/21/15, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 6:26 PM


 












Alexandre



Many thanks.  I understand that it is possible to
convert the
Frigoboat to keel-cooled and, presumably, that also
means that it's
possible to use the fresh water tank in the keel to
perform the heat
exchanging without the disadvantages of additional
perforation of
the hull and the introduction of salt water into the
refrigeration
system. 



There are obviously several avenues to pursue. 



With kind regards

Graham

M240 JAMESBY

on the hard, Rodney Bay, St Lucia







On 21/04/2015 18:46,
Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:


 




Good afternoon,



I wasn’t going to write on that, but why
not…

I was given the same advice to wait at least a
year before
to change anything and I totally agree.

What in my mind thought was necessary, end up
not to be,
etc. Over 2 years later, the only
modifications I really
did was adding some shelves in the closet, and
cut opening
to store parts under the bed and behind the
batteries (I
will post pictures at some point).



Regarding the water cool fridge/freezer.

I have the original Frigoboat which is “air
cooled”, I am
very happy with it, just had to change the
thermostat
recently.

They do have a model that is both Keel (water)
cooled and
Air cooled. You really should read about it.


So you will be water cooled in the water and
you have the
option to become “air cooled” when on the
hard, etc.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

finishing repair/maintenance Dania Beach,
Florida




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 4/21/15, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting
Maramu
fridge/freezer to water cooling

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:13 PM





 



















Hello Graham,

I just went through the same

reflections.  My take was different from
Bill’s... though

I agree with his point regarding life while on
the hard.

 

I wanted to reduce leccy

consumption in order to have more days without
running

genset.  We began with a review of all
electrics and

decided to change the refrigerator to a 2
drawer 135 liter

keel cooled model.

It gets its shake down in early

June in Turkey.  I will report my findings
after some

use.

Cheers,



Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007.







On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Graham

Cresswell grahamjcresswell@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 













Many thanks Bill,







I quite agree that it's a mistake to
launch into any

significant or

irreversible change before you're certain
that it

will amount to an

improvement and I'm certainly not at that
point

yet.  However, there

are various things on the boat that will
probably (but

not

certainly) need to be changed and I like to
think long

about these

things.  Since I sent my post I have been
rummaging

through the

archives and one suggestion that had not
occurred to me

is the

possibility of using the fresh water in the
keel as the

coolant,

which I think would address you points 1 and
2.  I can

see

significant advantages over sea water but
I'm not

sure quite how the

plumbing would work.  I hope that will become
clear. 









With kind regards







Graham



S/Y Jamesby



240











On

20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy

Rouse' yahoogroups@...

[amelyachtowners] wrote:







 





Graham,









Welcome to

the "club" and the

Group.







I am

going to answer your question

indirectly. I hope

that is OK with you.







My first

piece of advice is sort of like the

"Prime Directive"

which is don't attempt to

"change" anything on your

Amel to make it "better" until

you have lived on her

for at least a year and three years is

best. This

Prime Directive may not fit

your refrigeration question, but I will

get to that

shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel,

you will not

have the deep appreciation for the design

and systems

that Captain Henri Amel has given each of

us. Most of

us have gained that appreciation over

time. I was

discovering some small features that made

me say,

"WoW" at five years

ownership.







Now that

I have said what almost all of us believe,

let me

comment on your refrigeration. First, I am

not an

expert, so what I am passing on to you is

based on my

experience. I cruised the Caribbean for

several years

with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit

that I had

over those with water cooled refrigeration

was:



When I

hauled the boat for maintenance and

antifouling, I

did not have to empty the refrigerator

or freezer.Each

of the boats that I met had many

difficulties with

the growth of fouling inside their

systems to

include barnacles, other creatures and

stuff. It

was a constant problem and a bigger

problem in

certain areas.

Refrigeration

has improved since your Amel was made.

Yes, water

cooled is more efficient than air, but

tell me the

daily amperage you use now and what you

expect.

Depending on your refrigerator, you may

find ways to

improve the efficiency of your current

system. And I

am betting that there is a Maramu owner

here that may

have a suggestion for you.









I hope

that I do not come across too arrogant,

but I am a

Texan and it is in my DNA...some things

cannot be

helped. ;) 









Good luck

and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember

to "respect

the sea" ~ Henri Amel







And,

remember to "respect the Captain

(Henri Amel)" ~ Bill

Rouse







Best,







Bill

BeBe 387







On Sun,

Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM,

cresswell_graham@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:







 





I have just acquired a 1988

Maramu

and am new to this list.

 



Does anyone have any experience

of

converting the Amel

fridge/freezer to sea

water cooling?  I am in the

Caribbean and

air cooling isn't

particularly efficient.

 



All advice appreciated.

 



Graham CresswellS/Y Jamesbyhull number

240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster fairing

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Charles,

It is possible that, without the faring, you may get water past he seals and into the bilge of the forward water tight compartment. Keep an eye on this by inspecting the lowest point of that compartment which you can see by opening the the floor outside the forward head. I would check this at least daily. If water accumulates there, you will have to pump it into the forward head shower drain. Either have a pump ready or have a wet/dry vacuum ready for the job.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Charles Macdonald c.macdonald@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Everyone,
Welcome to our newcomers (people who are even newer than myself).
Several topics caught my attention lately : insurance policy, SAV Amel, quality and nature of exchange in this group.
Briefs notes, for whatever they are worth:
Insurance: I am with de Lassee, recommended to me by one of you. They did not make a fuss when I asked an extension to the Caribbean and the  US East Coast, and offered a policy about twice cheaper than my previous insurance company. So far, so good.
SAV Amel: did respond to previous questions and offered help, but do not respond to my present queries regarding the bow thruster.
Group exchange: excellent, very supportive and friendly.  Keep it the way it is.
I am still on the receiving side more than on the giving side. But I got superb advice from this group, on several issues.

Bow thruster: the fairing on my Maramu (i.e. the V shaped element that is attached to the end of the shaft and conforms to the shape of the hull) is gone. No more.  I asked SAV Amel (Christian Dufourd and Maud Touillet) what to do about it. They answered that they were going to look for the mold but did not follow up with the result of this search, in spite of several messages I sent them. My other question was: how damaging could it be to go on sailing without the said element (fairing). There was yet another and even more pressing question: my bow thruster does not work properly. The propeller turns slowly. They said it’s either a problem with the engine, or a mechanical problem. Could not decide which so far. Anyone with an answer to these queries? I read the excellent description on this site by Gary Silver. Very useful indeed. However I guess repairs on the bow thruster will be difficult unless the boat is on the dry.  

My Maramu is now anchored in St Martin and I intend to sail back to France by early May. I probably will not be able to replace the fairing until I am back in France. I am concerned about it and about the damage it may further create. As for the trouble with the thruster, I hope to have the electric and/or engine problem fixed before I leave.

Again many thanks for a possible advice or hints about what to do concerning my ailing bow thruster.

Charles
Inuit
Maramu #253



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster fairing

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Charles,

I do not know about the Maramu but if the SM is any indication, the fairing must be on and well fitted.  In fact, there are instances of water entry via the bow thruster if the seals around the fairing are worn.

Unless I had more information, I would not dare sail an SM without the fairing.

OPINION above… :-)

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 22 Apr 2015, at 12:39, 'jlm@...' jlm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

To cheek the DC drive of the bow thruster the best way is to record under load the current and the voltage going out of the battery (curent can easy measured on the shunt near the 24v battery),
A problem is very rare on this drive
Jean Luc
on CottonBay


Le 22/04/2015 10:33, Charles Macdonald c.macdonald@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :
 

Hi Everyone,
Welcome to our newcomers (people who are even newer than myself).
Several topics caught my attention lately : insurance policy, SAV Amel, quality and nature of exchange in this group.
Briefs notes, for whatever they are worth:
Insurance: I am with de Lassee, recommended to me by one of you. They did not make a fuss when I asked an extension to the Caribbean and the  US East Coast, and offered a policy about twice cheaper than my previous insurance company. So far, so good.
SAV Amel: did respond to previous questions and offered help, but do not respond to my present queries regarding the bow thruster.
Group exchange: excellent, very supportive and friendly.  Keep it the way it is.
I am still on the receiving side more than on the giving side. But I got superb advice from this group, on several issues.

Bow thruster: the fairing on my Maramu (i.e. the V shaped element that is attached to the end of the shaft and conforms to the shape of the hull) is gone. No more.  I asked SAV Amel (Christian Dufourd and Maud Touillet) what to do about it. They answered that they were going to look for the mold but did not follow up with the result of this search, in spite of several messages I sent them. My other question was: how damaging could it be to go on sailing without the said element (fairing). There was yet another and even more pressing question: my bow thruster does not work properly. The propeller turns slowly. They said it’s either a problem with the engine, or a mechanical problem. Could not decide which so far. Anyone with an answer to these queries? I read the excellent description on this site by Gary Silver. Very useful indeed. However I guess repairs on the bow thruster will be difficult unless the boat is on the dry.  

My Maramu is now anchored in St Martin and I intend to sail back to France by early May. I probably will not be able to replace the fairing until I am back in France. I am concerned about it and about the damage it may further create. As for the trouble with the thruster, I hope to have the electric and/or engine problem fixed before I leave.

Again many thanks for a possible advice or hints about what to do concerning my ailing bow thruster.

Charles
Inuit
Maramu #253





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster fairing

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

To cheek the DC drive of the bow thruster the best way is to record under load the current and the voltage going out of the battery (curent can easy measured on the shunt near the 24v battery),
A problem is very rare on this drive
Jean Luc
on CottonBay


Le 22/04/2015 10:33, Charles Macdonald c.macdonald@... [amelyachtowners] a crit:

Hi Everyone,
Welcome to our newcomers (people who are even newer than myself).
Several topics caught my attention lately : insurance policy, SAV Amel, quality and nature of exchange in this group.
Briefs notes, for whatever they are worth:
Insurance: I am with de Lassee, recommended to me by one of you. They did not make a fuss when I asked an extension to the Caribbean and the US East Coast, and offered a policy about twice cheaper than my previous insurance company. So far, so good.
SAV Amel: did respond to previous questions and offered help, but do not respond to my present queries regarding the bow thruster.
Group exchange: excellent, very supportive and friendly. Keep it the way it is.
I am still on the receiving side more than on the giving side. But I got superb advice from this group, on several issues.

Bow thruster: the fairing on my Maramu (i.e. the V shaped element that is attached to the end of the shaft and conforms to the shape of the hull) is gone. No more. I asked SAV Amel (Christian Dufourd and Maud Touillet) what to do about it. They answered that they were going to look for the mold but did not follow up with the result of this search, in spite of several messages I sent them. My other question was: how damaging could it be to go on sailing without the said element (fairing). There was yet another and even more pressing question: my bow thruster does not work properly. The propeller turns slowly. They said its either a problem with the engine, or a mechanical problem. Could not decide which so far. Anyone with an answer to these queries? I read the excellent description on this site by Gary Silver. Very useful indeed. However I guess repairs on the bow thruster will be difficult unless the boat is on the dry.

My Maramu is now anchored in St Martin and I intend to sail back to France by early May. I probably will not be able to replace the fairing until I am back in France. I am concerned about it and about the damage it may further create. As for the trouble with the thruster, I hope to have the electric and/or engine problem fixed before I leave.

Again many thanks for a possible advice or hints about what to do concerning my ailing bow thruster.

Charles
Inuit
Maramu #253





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First Amel 55 Sighting in Mebourne

Chris Flack
 

Hi JP,

It was just exciting to see an Amel form here, it just doesn't happen.

Ok ok point taken and I will tone it down abit :-)

I an also getting Jennifer to back her in a I handle the lines mate

See you soon
Chris
Hemera SM031


-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First Amel 55 Sighting in Mebourne

 

Hi Chris,


I must admit the 55 does not turn my crank much.  Lost all of its traditional look.  Nonetheless, the interior is far more up to date than the SM’s.  

My favorite Amel is the 54….

Be careful … you’ll be labeled a pervert if you admit to your sweetie that you were excited by an Amel 55…

:-)

I also intend to have Chantal properly qualified to take Eleuthera into port while I tend to the lines.

Cheers,


JP





On 22 Apr 2015, at 11:43, 'Chris Flack' chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well , how excited was I today. I went sailing in Wednesday Wonders at Sandringham Yacht Club in Melbourne Australia  on my friends Bavaria 40 when , as we went down the fairway, was this beautiful Amel 55.
 
You may not think this much but this is the FIRST Amel anyone has seen down in Melbourne that I have spoken to. It was called Renaissance and apparently one of the other guys said he gave an English gentleman a hand to tie her up as his wife backed her in. It would have been fantastic to have been able to meet them.
 
Anyway, I was excited J
 
Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First Amel 55 Sighting in Mebourne

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Chris,

I must admit the 55 does not turn my crank much.  Lost all of its traditional look.  Nonetheless, the interior is far more up to date than the SM’s.  

My favorite Amel is the 54….

Be careful … you’ll be labeled a pervert if you admit to your sweetie that you were excited by an Amel 55…

:-)

I also intend to have Chantal properly qualified to take Eleuthera into port while I tend to the lines.

Cheers,


JP





On 22 Apr 2015, at 11:43, 'Chris Flack' chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well , how excited was I today. I went sailing in Wednesday Wonders at Sandringham Yacht Club in Melbourne Australia  on my friends Bavaria 40 when , as we went down the fairway, was this beautiful Amel 55.
 
You may not think this much but this is the FIRST Amel anyone has seen down in Melbourne that I have spoken to. It was called Renaissance and apparently one of the other guys said he gave an English gentleman a hand to tie her up as his wife backed her in. It would have been fantastic to have been able to meet them.
 
Anyway, I was excited J
 
Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031


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First Amel 55 Sighting in Mebourne

Chris Flack
 

Well , how excited was I today. I went sailing in Wednesday Wonders at Sandringham Yacht Club in Melbourne Australia  on my friends Bavaria 40 when , as we went down the fairway, was this beautiful Amel 55.

 

You may not think this much but this is the FIRST Amel anyone has seen down in Melbourne that I have spoken to. It was called Renaissance and apparently one of the other guys said he gave an English gentleman a hand to tie her up as his wife backed her in. It would have been fantastic to have been able to meet them.

 

Anyway, I was excited J

 

Cheers

Chris

Hemera SM031


bow thruster fairing

Charles Macdonald <c.macdonald@...>
 

Hi Everyone,
Welcome to our newcomers (people who are even newer than myself).
Several topics caught my attention lately : insurance policy, SAV Amel, quality and nature of exchange in this group.
Briefs notes, for whatever they are worth:
Insurance: I am with de Lassee, recommended to me by one of you. They did not make a fuss when I asked an extension to the Caribbean and the  US East Coast, and offered a policy about twice cheaper than my previous insurance company. So far, so good.
SAV Amel: did respond to previous questions and offered help, but do not respond to my present queries regarding the bow thruster.
Group exchange: excellent, very supportive and friendly.  Keep it the way it is.
I am still on the receiving side more than on the giving side. But I got superb advice from this group, on several issues.

Bow thruster: the fairing on my Maramu (i.e. the V shaped element that is attached to the end of the shaft and conforms to the shape of the hull) is gone. No more.  I asked SAV Amel (Christian Dufourd and Maud Touillet) what to do about it. They answered that they were going to look for the mold but did not follow up with the result of this search, in spite of several messages I sent them. My other question was: how damaging could it be to go on sailing without the said element (fairing). There was yet another and even more pressing question: my bow thruster does not work properly. The propeller turns slowly. They said it’s either a problem with the engine, or a mechanical problem. Could not decide which so far. Anyone with an answer to these queries? I read the excellent description on this site by Gary Silver. Very useful indeed. However I guess repairs on the bow thruster will be difficult unless the boat is on the dry.  

My Maramu is now anchored in St Martin and I intend to sail back to France by early May. I probably will not be able to replace the fairing until I am back in France. I am concerned about it and about the damage it may further create. As for the trouble with the thruster, I hope to have the electric and/or engine problem fixed before I leave.

Again many thanks for a possible advice or hints about what to do concerning my ailing bow thruster.

Charles
Inuit
Maramu #253


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

karkauai
 

On SM243 the cooling water for the AC comes from the manifold at the sea chest.  No additional thru-hull. I assume you could do the same thing with the refrigerator if you decided to use a sea water cooked unit.  I really like the idea of using the fresh water tankage as coolant, but I've been very happy with the air cooled units.  I'm not going to change the original system.

As long as diesel is readily available, running the genset for an hour or so twice a day is not an issue.  We wash clothes, make coffee, blow hair dry, and heat the water during our normal recharging times.

Kent
SM243
Kristy
SplashDown Tomorrow!!!


On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre

Many thanks.  I understand that it is possible to convert the Frigoboat to keel-cooled and, presumably, that also means that it's possible to use the fresh water tank in the keel to perform the heat exchanging without the disadvantages of additional perforation of the hull and the introduction of salt water into the refrigeration system. 

There are obviously several avenues to pursue. 

With kind regards
Graham
M240 JAMESBY
on the hard, Rodney Bay, St Lucia



On 21/04/2015 18:46, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 


Good afternoon,

I wasn’t going to write on that, but why not…
I was given the same advice to wait at least a year before to change anything and I totally agree.
What in my mind thought was necessary, end up not to be, etc. Over 2 years later, the only modifications I really did was adding some shelves in the closet, and cut opening to store parts under the bed and behind the batteries (I will post pictures at some point).

Regarding the water cool fridge/freezer.
I have the original Frigoboat which is “air cooled”, I am very happy with it, just had to change the thermostat recently.
They do have a model that is both Keel (water) cooled and Air cooled. You really should read about it.
So you will be water cooled in the water and you have the option to become “air cooled” when on the hard, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
finishing repair/maintenance Dania Beach, Florida

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 4/21/15, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:13 PM


 









Hello Graham,
I just went through the same
reflections.  My take was different from Bill’s... though
I agree with his point regarding life while on the hard.
 
I wanted to reduce leccy
consumption in order to have more days without running
genset.  We began with a review of all electrics and
decided to change the refrigerator to a 2 drawer 135 liter
keel cooled model.
It gets its shake down in early
June in Turkey.  I will report my findings after some
use.
Cheers,

Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007.



On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Graham
Cresswell grahamjcresswell@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:















 






Many thanks Bill,



I quite agree that it's a mistake to launch into any
significant or
irreversible change before you're certain that it
will amount to an
improvement and I'm certainly not at that point
yet.  However, there
are various things on the boat that will probably (but
not
certainly) need to be changed and I like to think long
about these
things.  Since I sent my post I have been rummaging
through the
archives and one suggestion that had not occurred to me
is the
possibility of using the fresh water in the keel as the
coolant,
which I think would address you points 1 and 2.  I can
see
significant advantages over sea water but I'm not
sure quite how the
plumbing would work.  I hope that will become clear. 




With kind regards



Graham

S/Y Jamesby

240





On
20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:



 


Graham,




Welcome to
the "club" and the
Group.



I am
going to answer your question
indirectly. I hope
that is OK with you.



My first
piece of advice is sort of like the
"Prime Directive"
which is don't attempt to
"change" anything on your
Amel to make it "better" until
you have lived on her
for at least a year and three years is
best. This
Prime Directive may not fit
your refrigeration question, but I will
get to that
shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel,
you will not
have the deep appreciation for the design
and systems
that Captain Henri Amel has given each of
us. Most of
us have gained that appreciation over
time. I was
discovering some small features that made
me say,
"WoW" at five years
ownership.



Now that
I have said what almost all of us believe,
let me
comment on your refrigeration. First, I am
not an
expert, so what I am passing on to you is
based on my
experience. I cruised the Caribbean for
several years
with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit
that I had
over those with water cooled refrigeration
was:

When I
hauled the boat for maintenance and
antifouling, I
did not have to empty the refrigerator
or freezer.Each
of the boats that I met had many
difficulties with
the growth of fouling inside their
systems to
include barnacles, other creatures and
stuff. It
was a constant problem and a bigger
problem in
certain areas.
Refrigeration
has improved since your Amel was made.
Yes, water
cooled is more efficient than air, but
tell me the
daily amperage you use now and what you
expect.
Depending on your refrigerator, you may
find ways to
improve the efficiency of your current
system. And I
am betting that there is a Maramu owner
here that may
have a suggestion for you.




I hope
that I do not come across too arrogant,
but I am a
Texan and it is in my DNA...some things
cannot be
helped. ;) 




Good luck
and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember
to "respect
the sea" ~ Henri Amel



And,
remember to "respect the Captain
(Henri Amel)" ~ Bill
Rouse



Best,



Bill
BeBe 387



On Sun,
Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM,
cresswell_graham@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:



 


I have just acquired a 1988
Maramu
and am new to this list.
 

Does anyone have any experience
of
converting the Amel
fridge/freezer to sea
water cooling?  I am in the
Caribbean and
air cooling isn't
particularly efficient.
 

All advice appreciated.
 

Graham CresswellS/Y Jamesbyhull number
240




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Merci Jean-Pierre

I won't be doing anything before then so I'll await your report.

With kind regards

Graham
M240 JAMESBY


On 21/04/2015 13:13, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hello Graham,


I just went through the same reflections. My take was different from Bills... though I agree with his point regarding life while on the hard.

I wanted to reduce leccy consumption in order to have more days without running genset. We began with a review of all electrics and decided to change the refrigerator to a 2 drawer 135 liter keel cooled model.

It gets its shake down in early June in Turkey. I will report my findings after some use.

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.




On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Many thanks Bill,

I quite agree that it's a mistake to launch into any significant or irreversible change before you're certain that it will amount to an improvement and I'm certainly not at that point yet. However, there are various things on the boat that will probably (but not certainly) need to be changed and I like to think long about these things. Since I sent my post I have been rummaging through the archives and one suggestion that had not occurred to me is the possibility of using the fresh water in the keel as the coolant, which I think would address you points 1 and 2. I can see significant advantages over sea water but I'm not sure quite how the plumbing would work. I hope that will become clear.

With kind regards

Graham
S/Y Jamesby
240


On 20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Graham,

Welcometo the "club"andthe Group.

I am going to answer your question indirectly. I hope that is OK with you.

My first piece of advice is sort of like the "Prime Directive" which is don't attempt to "change" anything on your Amel to make it "better" until you have lived on her for at least a year and three years is best. This Prime Directive may not fit yourrefrigerationquestion, but I will get to that shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel, you will not have the deep appreciation for the design and systems that Captain Henri Amel has given each of us. Most of us have gained that appreciation over time. I was discovering some small features that made me say, "WoW" at five years ownership.

Now that I have said what almost all of us believe, let me comment on your refrigeration. First, I am not an expert, so what I am passing on to you is based on my experience. I cruised the Caribbean for several years with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit that I had over those with water cooled refrigeration was:
  1. When I hauled the boat for maintenance and antifouling, I did not have to empty the refrigerator or freezer.
  2. Each of the boats that I met had many difficulties with the growth of fouling inside their systems to include barnacles, other creatures and stuff. It was a constant problem and a bigger problem in certain areas.
Refrigeration has improved since your Amel was made. Yes, water cooled is more efficient than air, but tell me the daily amperage you use now and what you expect. Depending on your refrigerator, you may find ways to improve the efficiency of your current system. And I am betting that there is a Maramu owner here that may have a suggestion for you.

I hope that I do not come across too arrogant, but I am a Texan and it is in my DNA...some things cannot be helped. ;)

Good luck and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember to "respect the sea" ~ Henri Amel

And, remember to "respect the Captain (Henri Amel)" ~ Bill Rouse

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM, cresswell_graham@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have just acquired a 1988 Maramu and am new to this list.


Does anyone have any experience of converting the Amel fridge/freezer to sea water cooling? I am in the Caribbean and air cooling isn't particularly efficient.


All advice appreciated.


Graham Cresswell

S/Y Jamesby

hull number 240


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Labour's plan is just to up our credit limit.  
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Alexandre

Many thanks.  I understand that it is possible to convert the Frigoboat to keel-cooled and, presumably, that also means that it's possible to use the fresh water tank in the keel to perform the heat exchanging without the disadvantages of additional perforation of the hull and the introduction of salt water into the refrigeration system. 

There are obviously several avenues to pursue. 

With kind regards
Graham
M240 JAMESBY
on the hard, Rodney Bay, St Lucia



On 21/04/2015 18:46, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 


Good afternoon,

I wasn’t going to write on that, but why not…
I was given the same advice to wait at least a year before to change anything and I totally agree.
What in my mind thought was necessary, end up not to be, etc. Over 2 years later, the only modifications I really did was adding some shelves in the closet, and cut opening to store parts under the bed and behind the batteries (I will post pictures at some point).

Regarding the water cool fridge/freezer.
I have the original Frigoboat which is “air cooled”, I am very happy with it, just had to change the thermostat recently.
They do have a model that is both Keel (water) cooled and Air cooled. You really should read about it.
So you will be water cooled in the water and you have the option to become “air cooled” when on the hard, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
finishing repair/maintenance Dania Beach, Florida

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 4/21/15, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:13 PM


 









Hello Graham,
I just went through the same
reflections.  My take was different from Bill’s... though
I agree with his point regarding life while on the hard.
 
I wanted to reduce leccy
consumption in order to have more days without running
genset.  We began with a review of all electrics and
decided to change the refrigerator to a 2 drawer 135 liter
keel cooled model.
It gets its shake down in early
June in Turkey.  I will report my findings after some
use.
Cheers,

Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007.



On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Graham
Cresswell grahamjcresswell@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:















 






Many thanks Bill,



I quite agree that it's a mistake to launch into any
significant or
irreversible change before you're certain that it
will amount to an
improvement and I'm certainly not at that point
yet.  However, there
are various things on the boat that will probably (but
not
certainly) need to be changed and I like to think long
about these
things.  Since I sent my post I have been rummaging
through the
archives and one suggestion that had not occurred to me
is the
possibility of using the fresh water in the keel as the
coolant,
which I think would address you points 1 and 2.  I can
see
significant advantages over sea water but I'm not
sure quite how the
plumbing would work.  I hope that will become clear. 




With kind regards



Graham

S/Y Jamesby

240





On
20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:



 


Graham,




Welcome to
the "club" and the
Group.



I am
going to answer your question
indirectly. I hope
that is OK with you.



My first
piece of advice is sort of like the
"Prime Directive"
which is don't attempt to
"change" anything on your
Amel to make it "better" until
you have lived on her
for at least a year and three years is
best. This
Prime Directive may not fit
your refrigeration question, but I will
get to that
shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel,
you will not
have the deep appreciation for the design
and systems
that Captain Henri Amel has given each of
us. Most of
us have gained that appreciation over
time. I was
discovering some small features that made
me say,
"WoW" at five years
ownership.



Now that
I have said what almost all of us believe,
let me
comment on your refrigeration. First, I am
not an
expert, so what I am passing on to you is
based on my
experience. I cruised the Caribbean for
several years
with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit
that I had
over those with water cooled refrigeration
was:

When I
hauled the boat for maintenance and
antifouling, I
did not have to empty the refrigerator
or freezer.Each
of the boats that I met had many
difficulties with
the growth of fouling inside their
systems to
include barnacles, other creatures and
stuff. It
was a constant problem and a bigger
problem in
certain areas.
Refrigeration
has improved since your Amel was made.
Yes, water
cooled is more efficient than air, but
tell me the
daily amperage you use now and what you
expect.
Depending on your refrigerator, you may
find ways to
improve the efficiency of your current
system. And I
am betting that there is a Maramu owner
here that may
have a suggestion for you.




I hope
that I do not come across too arrogant,
but I am a
Texan and it is in my DNA...some things
cannot be
helped. ;) 




Good luck
and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember
to "respect
the sea" ~ Henri Amel



And,
remember to "respect the Captain
(Henri Amel)" ~ Bill
Rouse



Best,



Bill
BeBe 387



On Sun,
Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM,
cresswell_graham@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:



 


I have just acquired a 1988
Maramu
and am new to this list.
 

Does anyone have any experience
of
converting the Amel
fridge/freezer to sea
water cooling?  I am in the
Caribbean and
air cooling isn't
particularly efficient.
 

All advice appreciated.
 

Graham CresswellS/Y Jamesbyhull number
240




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

I wasn’t going to write on that, but why not…
I was given the same advice to wait at least a year before to change anything and I totally agree.
What in my mind thought was necessary, end up not to be, etc. Over 2 years later, the only modifications I really did was adding some shelves in the closet, and cut opening to store parts under the bed and behind the batteries (I will post pictures at some point).

Regarding the water cool fridge/freezer.
I have the original Frigoboat which is “air cooled”, I am very happy with it, just had to change the thermostat recently.
They do have a model that is both Keel (water) cooled and Air cooled. You really should read about it.
So you will be water cooled in the water and you have the option to become “air cooled” when on the hard, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
finishing repair/maintenance Dania Beach, Florida


--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 4/21/15, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 12:13 PM


 









Hello Graham,
I just went through the same
reflections.  My take was different from Bill’s... though
I agree with his point regarding life while on the hard.
 
I wanted to reduce leccy
consumption in order to have more days without running
genset.  We began with a review of all electrics and
decided to change the refrigerator to a 2 drawer 135 liter
keel cooled model.
It gets its shake down in early
June in Turkey.  I will report my findings after some
use.
Cheers,

Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007.



On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Graham
Cresswell grahamjcresswell@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 






Many thanks Bill,



I quite agree that it's a mistake to launch into any
significant or
irreversible change before you're certain that it
will amount to an
improvement and I'm certainly not at that point
yet.  However, there
are various things on the boat that will probably (but
not
certainly) need to be changed and I like to think long
about these
things.  Since I sent my post I have been rummaging
through the
archives and one suggestion that had not occurred to me
is the
possibility of using the fresh water in the keel as the
coolant,
which I think would address you points 1 and 2.  I can
see
significant advantages over sea water but I'm not
sure quite how the
plumbing would work.  I hope that will become clear. 




With kind regards



Graham

S/Y Jamesby

240





On
20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:



 


Graham,




Welcome to
the "club" and the
Group.



I am
going to answer your question
indirectly. I hope
that is OK with you.



My first
piece of advice is sort of like the
"Prime Directive"
which is don't attempt to
"change" anything on your
Amel to make it "better" until
you have lived on her
for at least a year and three years is
best. This
Prime Directive may not fit
your refrigeration question, but I will
get to that
shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel,
you will not
have the deep appreciation for the design
and systems
that Captain Henri Amel has given each of
us. Most of
us have gained that appreciation over
time. I was
discovering some small features that made
me say,
"WoW" at five years
ownership.



Now that
I have said what almost all of us believe,
let me
comment on your refrigeration. First, I am
not an
expert, so what I am passing on to you is
based on my
experience. I cruised the Caribbean for
several years
with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit
that I had
over those with water cooled refrigeration
was:

When I
hauled the boat for maintenance and
antifouling, I
did not have to empty the refrigerator
or freezer.Each
of the boats that I met had many
difficulties with
the growth of fouling inside their
systems to
include barnacles, other creatures and
stuff. It
was a constant problem and a bigger
problem in
certain areas.
Refrigeration
has improved since your Amel was made.
Yes, water
cooled is more efficient than air, but
tell me the
daily amperage you use now and what you
expect.
Depending on your refrigerator, you may
find ways to
improve the efficiency of your current
system. And I
am betting that there is a Maramu owner
here that may
have a suggestion for you.




I hope
that I do not come across too arrogant,
but I am a
Texan and it is in my DNA...some things
cannot be
helped. ;) 




Good luck
and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember
to "respect
the sea" ~ Henri Amel



And,
remember to "respect the Captain
(Henri Amel)" ~ Bill
Rouse



Best,



Bill
BeBe 387



On Sun,
Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM,
cresswell_graham@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 


I have just acquired a 1988
Maramu
and am new to this list.
 

Does anyone have any experience
of
converting the Amel
fridge/freezer to sea
water cooling?  I am in the
Caribbean and
air cooling isn't
particularly efficient.
 

All advice appreciated.
 

Graham CresswellS/Y Jamesbyhull number
240




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Graham,

I just went through the same reflections.  My take was different from Bill’s... though I agree with his point regarding life while on the hard.  

I wanted to reduce leccy consumption in order to have more days without running genset.  We began with a review of all electrics and decided to change the refrigerator to a 2 drawer 135 liter keel cooled model.

It gets its shake down in early June in Turkey.  I will report my findings after some use.

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.




On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Many thanks Bill,

I quite agree that it's a mistake to launch into any significant or irreversible change before you're certain that it will amount to an improvement and I'm certainly not at that point yet.  However, there are various things on the boat that will probably (but not certainly) need to be changed and I like to think long about these things.  Since I sent my post I have been rummaging through the archives and one suggestion that had not occurred to me is the possibility of using the fresh water in the keel as the coolant, which I think would address you points 1 and 2.  I can see significant advantages over sea water but I'm not sure quite how the plumbing would work.  I hope that will become clear. 

With kind regards

Graham
S/Y Jamesby
240


On 20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Graham,

Welcome to the "club" and the Group.

I am going to answer your question indirectly. I hope that is OK with you.

My first piece of advice is sort of like the "Prime Directive" which is don't attempt to "change" anything on your Amel to make it "better" until you have lived on her for at least a year and three years is best. This Prime Directive may not fit your refrigeration question, but I will get to that shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel, you will not have the deep appreciation for the design and systems that Captain Henri Amel has given each of us. Most of us have gained that appreciation over time. I was discovering some small features that made me say, "WoW" at five years ownership.

Now that I have said what almost all of us believe, let me comment on your refrigeration. First, I am not an expert, so what I am passing on to you is based on my experience. I cruised the Caribbean for several years with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit that I had over those with water cooled refrigeration was:
  1. When I hauled the boat for maintenance and antifouling, I did not have to empty the refrigerator or freezer.
  2. Each of the boats that I met had many difficulties with the growth of fouling inside their systems to include barnacles, other creatures and stuff. It was a constant problem and a bigger problem in certain areas.
Refrigeration has improved since your Amel was made. Yes, water cooled is more efficient than air, but tell me the daily amperage you use now and what you expect. Depending on your refrigerator, you may find ways to improve the efficiency of your current system. And I am betting that there is a Maramu owner here that may have a suggestion for you.

I hope that I do not come across too arrogant, but I am a Texan and it is in my DNA...some things cannot be helped. ;) 

Good luck and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember to "respect the sea" ~ Henri Amel

And, remember to "respect the Captain (Henri Amel)" ~ Bill Rouse

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM, cresswell_graham@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have just acquired a 1988 Maramu and am new to this list.  


Does anyone have any experience of converting the Amel fridge/freezer to sea water cooling?  I am in the Caribbean and air cooling isn't particularly efficient.  


All advice appreciated.  


Graham Cresswell

S/Y Jamesby

hull number 240


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Many thanks Bill,

I quite agree that it's a mistake to launch into any significant or irreversible change before you're certain that it will amount to an improvement and I'm certainly not at that point yet. However, there are various things on the boat that will probably (but not certainly) need to be changed and I like to think long about these things. Since I sent my post I have been rummaging through the archives and one suggestion that had not occurred to me is the possibility of using the fresh water in the keel as the coolant, which I think would address you points 1 and 2. I can see significant advantages over sea water but I'm not sure quite how the plumbing would work. I hope that will become clear.

With kind regards

Graham
S/Y Jamesby
240


On 20/04/2015 02:58, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Graham,

Welcometo the "club"andthe Group.

I am going to answer your question indirectly. I hope that is OK with you.

My first piece of advice is sort of like the "Prime Directive" which is don't attempt to "change" anything on your Amel to make it "better" until you have lived on her for at least a year and three years is best. This Prime Directive may not fit yourrefrigerationquestion, but I will get to that shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel, you will not have the deep appreciation for the design and systems that Captain Henri Amel has given each of us. Most of us have gained that appreciation over time. I was discovering some small features that made me say, "WoW" at five years ownership.

Now that I have said what almost all of us believe, let me comment on your refrigeration. First, I am not an expert, so what I am passing on to you is based on my experience. I cruised the Caribbean for several years with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit that I had over those with water cooled refrigeration was:
  1. When I hauled the boat for maintenance and antifouling, I did not have to empty the refrigerator or freezer.
  2. Each of the boats that I met had many difficulties with the growth of fouling inside their systems to include barnacles, other creatures and stuff. It was a constant problem and a bigger problem in certain areas.
Refrigeration has improved since your Amel was made. Yes, water cooled is more efficient than air, but tell me the daily amperage you use now and what you expect. Depending on your refrigerator, you may find ways to improve the efficiency of your current system. And I am betting that there is a Maramu owner here that may have a suggestion for you.

I hope that I do not come across too arrogant, but I am a Texan and it is in my DNA...some things cannot be helped. ;)

Good luck and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember to "respect the sea" ~ Henri Amel

And, remember to "respect the Captain (Henri Amel)" ~ Bill Rouse

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM, cresswell_graham@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have just acquired a 1988 Maramu and am new to this list.


Does anyone have any experience of converting the Amel fridge/freezer to sea water cooling? I am in the Caribbean and air cooling isn't particularly efficient.


All advice appreciated.


Graham Cresswell

S/Y Jamesby

hull number 240




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Remember...

We're currently paying  1,000,000,000 (yes, a billion pounds) 
every week in interest payments on Gordon Brown's credit card. 
Well, it was our credit card but he had the pin number.  
Labour's plan is just to up our credit limit.  
Please don't let them do it - vote Conservative.  


Re: PANTAENIUS America Ltd

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

hallo eric,

Same thing happened to me with the dutch company Delta loyd.

I was insured with them from 1995 till 2008 when i sold my previous boat and bougth my santorin.
I cruised the med. Then in 2008 they where difficult about my planned tour in the atlantic... wanted to know
where i would be and when and with who...I desided to go with another dutch company Unigarant.
Afther 3 years and no claim they cancelled all there carib policies.So i contacted Delta lloyd again since i was in a marina in Curacao, they accepted the boat staying in the marina for six months and demanded a survey iff i would go sailing again later ...I came back after 5 months and had a survey done on the boat.
The survey was quite positive on the state off the boat (1993) but the date off the liferaft was overdue 1year and so was the battery off my epirb. Since i was going to Columbia and later Panama and had a good weather window for the dangerous Columbian coast i decided to leave and not wait for the green ligth off the insurance
company Delta lloyd.I arrived in Santa Marta and found a cancellation off my policy in my mailbox till end off november and i had paid a year contract till april off the next year.They found i was irresponsable after sailing fifteen years with them and No claim and many,many miles.I can tell you i was very frustrated and angry but this is the way they do business nowdays.
I then sailed for 6 months with no insurance and am now with Delasse. 

How long do we have to put up with shit like that...?

phil




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel 54 for Sale

Duncan Hagemeyer
 

Hi Richard,

The very best wishes that you find an Amel that fits your budget and your
sailing plans. I am not an expert on global financial matters but I have
to think that the current Euro/$ currency exchange makes this moment in
time the best time possible to aquire an Amel. If you must finance some of
the transaction then you add in the incredibly low borrowing rates and
Venus is aligned with Mars[?][?]

I am told by experts that there are many Amel's on the offer sheets. More
than are indicated on Yachtworld. Currently my boat is not listed, and it
will likely not be for a year or two. I am having technicians who have done
work on Amel's for years do a complete overhaul of the electrical system.
I am adding a wind generation system to augment the generator, and
installing modern technology for the alternators and smart charging
systems. My opinion is that electricity is the life blood of the Amel 54.

The 54 is an amazing machine that does require a properly functiioning
power generation system. The boat is so well thought out and so well
designed that even a old guy like myself can easily sail it myself. But
one has to be confident the furlers and winches as well as the rest of the
electrical system is working. She is the perfect size boat for a cruising
couple with guest that come along for part of the journey. She is
absolutely beautiful in the cabins.

But most of all, go use the boat....which I do not do often enough. After
just returning from the boat, I got the feeling that it is too bad I fell
in love with Montana.

I do agree that as one motors across an anchorage and see 'your' Amel one
instantly knows they have one of the prettiest boats at the dance.

Duncan Hagemeyer
SV Dreamtime II
615-478-6006



On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:05 AM, richard.colebatch <no_reply@...
wrote:




Hi Everyone,


I have long lusted over an Amel and intend to become an owner sooner
rather than later. I recently joined the Amel Yacht Owners group to assist
me with my due diligence. So far I have been very impressed with the
feedback given by so many members to other owners where they have had
similar issues/opportunities for improvement. I can only assume Amel
monitors the site so that they can pick up useful suggestions on how to
improve their yachts.

The information provided has been outstanding. When members alert the
site to the upcoming sale of an Amel I am *very* interested. Yes I
monitor a number of yacht sites, but there is nothing better than hearing
of a “good” yacht for sale through the “grapevine”. And I would like to
suggest that I am not the only member of the site who is hoping to acquire
or upgrade to an Amel.

I trust everyone keeps up the good work on this site and I look forward to
the day when I may also ask of you all a lot of questions.


Richard SY Zante





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How do you remove the Prop shaft??

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Olivier and Merci Beaucoup !
As always, it is so extremely helpful for you to share your expert knowledge. 
Knowing exactly what I'll be getting into rather that having to guess makes the task seem much less daunting.
Best regards from me and, I'm sure, all of us on this forum,
Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote :
Hello Craig,
once the lower unit is on the working table, you'll have to peel off the GRP at the front of it (where the centering big pin is).
You will see then the screws (Allen heads, 6 pan) fastening a cover. The screws were probably sealed with LOCTITE. Warm them up before trying to unscrew. The cover and centering big pin are one piece (steel).
Once the cover is off, you will get to the bearings, gears and shafts.
I'm sure there are good mechanic workshops in the FT Lauderdale's neighborhood (maybe ask Joel...) that can make a new stainless steel shaft from the (slightly) bent previous one.

Bon courage.
Olivier.
To the gang,
Unfortunately our prop shaft got bent upon hauling last week - long story but the lifting sling went under the prop.  The bend is 15 thousandths (inch) which the local prop gurus say dictates having to remove it to fix or replace.
Does anyone know how to remove it? 
My take from studying what limited material I have is to disconnect the top of the drive from the steel framework, then maneuver the entire drive so I can rotate it and get at the front part where the shaft stub goes into the keel.  Then remove the fairing compound, and hopefully find some sort of end cap that can be removed to allow the shaft to slide out.  But I'm just guessing and that seems too easy.

Any first hand knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Best to all,
Craig Briggs, 1992 SN#68 Sangaris, Ft Lauderdale.


Re: Amel 54 for Sale

richard.colebatch <no_reply@...>
 


Hi Everyone,


I have long lusted over an Amel and intend to become an owner sooner rather than later.  I recently joined the Amel Yacht Owners group to assist me with my due diligence.  So far I have been very impressed with the feedback given by so many members to other owners where they have had similar issues/opportunities for improvement.  I can only assume Amel monitors the site so that they can pick up useful suggestions on how to improve their yachts. 

The information provided has been outstanding.  When members alert the site to the upcoming sale of an Amel I am very interested.  Yes I monitor a number of yacht sites, but there is nothing better than hearing of a “good” yacht for sale through the “grapevine”.  And I would like to suggest that I am not the only member of the site who is hoping to acquire or upgrade to an Amel.

I trust everyone keeps up the good work on this site and I look forward to the day when I may also ask of you all a lot of questions.


Richard  SY Zante



Re: Cockpit table measurements

Craig Scott
 

The table in our Amel 54 is 66.6cm across and 75.5cm down in the folded position.  Each of the two pieces are 16mm thick.
Craig
Lone Star
A54 #101
in USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Size of the cockpit locker

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you!
I have not the scuba compressor, so excellent if you cam measure the after looker as well including the height
By the way it looks as you are fare better organizer than I am
Regards
Paul