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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Dear Paul,. 
               19.6 tons.wet,fully equipped for ocean crossing. The folklore is, had you purchased an early one, The Captain only sold them by weight, so you would have been sure to know.
Regards,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico
For Sale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Beaute Olivier
 

Good evening Paul,

the last SMs (2000, from 2005) were weighted 15.3 tons empty (light displacement) which means without water, fuel and optionnal equipments (watermaker, extra batteries and charger, extra sails, extra electronics, extra awnings, etc..).
With all these equipments , water, fuel, your safety gear and personnal items, the total weight should not be above 20 tons. Above that, your SM will suffer overloading, which mainly means less speed and changes in the stability.
The SM and AMEL 54 are rather light, compared to the HR. This is due to the way their structure is built (cellular construction, stringers and bulkheads bonded to hull and deck).

Don't overload your boat with useless equipments (additional fuel tank...)

Olivier.



On Saturday, May 2, 2015 6:48 PM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
I’m wonder if someone has weighted an Amel Super Maramu when putting it on hard standing or similar? According to the Amel brochure the weight is 14 ton “empty” and 16 ton loaded. To me this looks very low, some comparison
HR 53                                            23 ton
Najad 520                                    20 ton
Oyster 485                                   17 ton
Oyster 51                                     21.7 ton
Sweden Yacht 42                        12 ton
 
All of the above are probably “empty” weight as very few builders give any other figure than empty boat.
I’m very curious what’s the real weight is

Paul on S/Y Kerpa




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

karkauai
 

Kristy was 20 tons loaded when hauled in Trinidad a few years ago.
Kent
SM243


On May 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I’m wonder if someone has weighted an Amel Super Maramu when putting it on hard standing or similar? According to the Amel brochure the weight is 14 ton “empty” and 16 ton loaded. To me this looks very low, some comparison

HR 53                                            23 ton

Najad 520                                    20 ton

Oyster 485                                   17 ton

Oyster 51                                     21.7 ton

Sweden Yacht 42                        12 ton

 

All of the above are probably “empty” weight as very few builders give any other figure than empty boat.

I’m very curious what’s the real weight is


Paul on S/Y Kerpa



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

He paul and Judy

In oktober when Balu is in the kran i konw it ture

Elja
Balu 222


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Usually skinny girls are better.

Don't fall for the weight is everything trap.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:47 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I’m wonder if someone has weighted an Amel Super Maramu when putting it on hard standing or similar? According to the Amel brochure the weight is 14 ton “empty” and 16 ton loaded. To me this looks very low, some comparison

HR 53                                            23 ton

Najad 520                                    20 ton

Oyster 485                                   17 ton

Oyster 51                                     21.7 ton

Sweden Yacht 42                        12 ton

 

All of the above are probably “empty” weight as very few builders give any other figure than empty boat.

I’m very curious what’s the real weight is


Paul on S/Y Kerpa




Weight/displacement

Paul Osterberg
 

I’m wonder if someone has weighted an Amel Super Maramu when putting it on hard standing or similar? According to the Amel brochure the weight is 14 ton “empty” and 16 ton loaded. To me this looks very low, some comparison

HR 53                                            23 ton

Najad 520                                    20 ton

Oyster 485                                   17 ton

Oyster 51                                     21.7 ton

Sweden Yacht 42                        12 ton

 

All of the above are probably “empty” weight as very few builders give any other figure than empty boat.

I’m very curious what’s the real weight is


Paul on S/Y Kerpa



Re: Original Rotary Drive with New Autopilot

jjjk12s@...
 

Craig,

 

I expect Andy is referring to the NECO drive from the Maramu so your Raymarine is probably a lot simpler to connect.

 

Andy,

 

I have thought about the same change but the NECO is still going so I haven't put anew computer on yet but would really like to connect the Simrad (same as the BandG). I see you seem to being saying the AC12N is the easiest unit to use but is its current capacity enough? Any help you can give with the wiring changes needed on the drive unit would be fantastic!

 

If don't have a proper understanding but sort of figure the static magnetic field in the motor is produced by a shunt and a series coil. The problem comes with reversing the direction as the current needs to be reversed on the series coil which is in series with the armature. So the motor wiring in the box has to be changed so that when the opposite rotation direction is needed the armature stays the same polarity but the series coil is reversed. This is getting way over my head and I may have got it all wrong. 

 

The other thing I'm not sure about, is that modern computers can activate either clutch or solenoid but some models only do one (maybe bigger ones designed mainly for hydraulic steering systems?). Which one is needed for the NECO or are both?

 

Any more clarity you can give would be great because I have just got confused and don't have a suitable electrical engineer to help.

 

Regards

John, Maramu #91

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

svsummerlove@...
 

Hi Leo,

If you go to https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/EUMENIA/ and download ET_GS 5005_5500.pdf, (Eudora Soba Geschirrspuler 5005/5500), you'll find on Seite 4 and Seite 5 (Tafel 2), "Pos in Tafel" 8 is a Programmt.Eaton M 5500 with ArtikelNr 034015.  That's where I found that part number, but I have no idea if that's how it's still identified or listed on their website.  It could be that timer is no longer made and the replacement has a different part number.  Those same pages also show a different program timer (Programmt. Siemens Mini 5005, with ArtikelNr 034000).  What's odd is that the serial number on my dishwasher is 5.384.754, which is higher than any of the serial numbers listed on that pdf.  It could be that this pdf is an older one for earlier vintage dishwashers.

The part number and info stamped on my program timer is: EC 4692.01 A 01  220/240V 50HZ T.70   6-00-36.

Please let me know what they tell you on Monday, but also please don't spend a lot of your own time trying to track this down for me.  I've spent a lot of time already and there's no guarantee the part even exists any longer.

Many thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340

 

     


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Wash Pump Capacity

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Steve,

My problem was the PO had removed the anchor wash pump; I knew this when I bought the boat.  I tried to procure a pump to no avail.  Then as we plan a circumnavigation and my take was to modernize the things which could be done without moving away from the Amel philosophy, it became logical to add a connection to the boat’s fresh water system.  

Only meant a T fitting and a shut off valve after the union.  Works quite well… While I was at it, we ran another fresh water line to the forward part of the port lazarette and fitted a bayonet fitting; fresh water deck wash too :-)

BASTA… all done.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 1 May 2015, at 16:30, svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jean-Pierre,

Now that's an excellent idea.  It would have the added advantage of washing salt water off the chain too.  I'm presuming all that would be required is a check valve into the existing anchor wash system to prevent contamination of the drinking water supply.  Is there anything else you included in the conversion, or any potential problems you ran into?

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi Steve,
I cannot find part 034015 on the website. Can you confirm that the part you are looking for is the program timer.
Since there is a holiday in Austria today i cannot contact them before Monday.
Regards
Leo

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 01.05.2015 um 15:43 schrieb svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Leo,

Thank you for your kind offer to contact them on my behalf.  Even if they no longer sell the part, but can provide another source that does sell that Eaton product would be very helpful.

This is what I've sent so far using Google Translate.  It could be that it doesn't make sense in German and they didn't know what I was asking.  The first email to them on Feb 11th had attached photos of the part and the dishwasher identification plate/ serial number:


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ersatzteile <ersatzteile@...>           February 11, 2015 at 7:58 P.M.

Ich habe eine Teilenummer, die für den Teil Ich fragte nach auf den untenstehenden Einheit sein kann, gefunden. Ist Eudora Teilenummer 034.015 das richtige Teil? Wenn dem so ist, müssen Sie es zur Verfügung haben und wie viel wird es kosten?

Schönen Dank,

Steve Constantine



Begin forwarded message:

From: Steve Constantine
Subject: Preisanfrage für Programmt.
Date: February 11, 2015 at 7:58:52 PM EST
To: ersatzteile@...

Guten Tag,

Bitte geben Sie die Artikelnummer und Preis für die Programmt. in den beigefügten Fotos. Es ist aus einem Eumenia Mini 5500 Geschirrspüler Seriennummer 5.384.754.

Schönen Dank,

Steve Constantine


ersatzteile <ersatzteile@...>      April 6, 2015 at 9:30 A.M.

Ist dies der richtige Website, um Teile für eine Eumenia Mini 5500 Geschirrspüler bestellen?"

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Many thanks Leo,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Wash Pump Capacity

svsummerlove@...
 

Hi Jean-Pierre,

Now that's an excellent idea.  It would have the added advantage of washing salt water off the chain too.  I'm presuming all that would be required is a check valve into the existing anchor wash system to prevent contamination of the drinking water supply.  Is there anything else you included in the conversion, or any potential problems you ran into?

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Wash Pump Capacity

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Steve,

I had the same problem and solved it by piping a fresh water line directly to the anchor wash nozzle.  Use the normal fresh water pump.

Also took the opportunity to add a “fresh water”deck wash outlet in the cockpit.

GL.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 1 May 2015, at 16:12, svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Yes, I agree, it's a great pump, although mine too has had a chronic leaking problem since new.  Unfortunately, due to not being used for several years, it has seized up from its own leaks.  Where we've been in the Caribbean with mostly sand and coral, it's rare to have enough mud on the chain to need it, and it didn't make much sense to wash salt water off the chain using salt water.

I can't tell yet if it's the pump or the motor that has seized. I removed it, but the stainless steel studs on the rubber mounting bobbins are so rusted from the pump leak, that I can't get them free from the pump base.  There's a recommended pump and motor rebuild place here in Ft Lauderdale, and I have a new "rebuild kit" which is essentially just seals and valves.  Before I go down the rat hole of spending a lot of money to find out it will cost more to rebuild than replace, I may be better off just buying a new one.  I just want to make sure that if I do, it has the capacity to do the job before I buy it.

I forgot to ask on my first post, if anyone knows what amperage the existing pump motor draws, so I can tell if I will need to increase the size of the wiring with a new pump.

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Wash Pump Capacity

svsummerlove@...
 

Hi Bill,

Yes, I agree, it's a great pump, although mine too has had a chronic leaking problem since new.  Unfortunately, due to not being used for several years, it has seized up from its own leaks.  Where we've been in the Caribbean with mostly sand and coral, it's rare to have enough mud on the chain to need it, and it didn't make much sense to wash salt water off the chain using salt water.

I can't tell yet if it's the pump or the motor that has seized. I removed it, but the stainless steel studs on the rubber mounting bobbins are so rusted from the pump leak, that I can't get them free from the pump base.  There's a recommended pump and motor rebuild place here in Ft Lauderdale, and I have a new "rebuild kit" which is essentially just seals and valves.  Before I go down the rat hole of spending a lot of money to find out it will cost more to rebuild than replace, I may be better off just buying a new one.  I just want to make sure that if I do, it has the capacity to do the job before I buy it.

I forgot to ask on my first post, if anyone knows what amperage the existing pump motor draws, so I can tell if I will need to increase the size of the wiring with a new pump.

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: Original Rotary Drive with New Autopilot

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Andy,
I'm about to install the AC42N using a Raymarine Type II 12v drive - (same as the original). Your post suggests that won't work, although B&G's US system's engineer did the specs for my order.
I am quite sure the only difference between the AC12N and AC42N, other than the current limits, is the AC12N allows for switching a hydraulic solenoid and the AC42N does not - is that what you needed the extra relay for? Both units use pulse code modulation to vary the motor speed (turn rate) in accordance with their steering algorithms - that is, they are variable speed,  not two speed units.
What type of drive do you have? Is it 12v or 24v?  And what is that add-on relay doing? Guess I'm not really understanding what the problem was - don't want to get into same thing myself, so any help would be appreciated. (Btw, I couldn't find your picture - where is it?)
Cheers,
Craig - SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <allezaubon@...> wrote :

Hi Charles,
thanks for your feedback.
We installed a B&G system using Triton and Zeus range.
We choose the Triton Pilot controller computer with the High current add on pack ( AC42N computer) - we had difficulty marrying he systems.
We now know that the computer is for a two speed rotary drive , however the old unit we have is only one speed, hence calibration always failed. We solved this by adding an additional relay.
In retrospect, we should have chosen the LOW current pack computer pack - which only has a single speed - the same as the original rotary drive.
If you can, I have been advised to keep the original rotary drive, as they are bullet proof,  "they don't make em like that anymore." 
I have attached an image for your reference.
Trust the above is helpful

Fair winds
AndyMaramu 1980 #75


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

svsummerlove@...
 

Leo,

Thank you for your kind offer to contact them on my behalf.  Even if they no longer sell the part, but can provide another source that does sell that Eaton product would be very helpful.

This is what I've sent so far using Google Translate.  It could be that it doesn't make sense in German and they didn't know what I was asking.  The first email to them on Feb 11th had attached photos of the part and the dishwasher identification plate/ serial number:


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ersatzteile <ersatzteile@...>           February 11, 2015 at 7:58 P.M.

Ich habe eine Teilenummer, die für den Teil Ich fragte nach auf den untenstehenden Einheit sein kann, gefunden. Ist Eudora Teilenummer 034.015 das richtige Teil? Wenn dem so ist, müssen Sie es zur Verfügung haben und wie viel wird es kosten?

Schönen Dank,

Steve Constantine



Begin forwarded message:

From: Steve Constantine
Subject: Preisanfrage für Programmt.
Date: February 11, 2015 at 7:58:52 PM EST
To: ersatzteile@...

Guten Tag,

Bitte geben Sie die Artikelnummer und Preis für die Programmt. in den beigefügten Fotos. Es ist aus einem Eumenia Mini 5500 Geschirrspüler Seriennummer 5.384.754.

Schönen Dank,

Steve Constantine


ersatzteile <ersatzteile@...>      April 6, 2015 at 9:30 A.M.

Ist dies der richtige Website, um Teile für eine Eumenia Mini 5500 Geschirrspüler bestellen?"

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Many thanks Leo,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jean Luck,

Me too! I would be interested also.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 1, 2015 2:52 PM, "svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Luc,

Thank you for your response.  Yes, I'm very interested in what you have designed.  Please let me know when you have finished your tests.

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

svsummerlove@...
 

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your response, and thanks even more for all of the docs and photos you have uploaded over the years.  I followed them faithfully to remove the dishwasher, troubleshoot the problem, and identify the parts.  What would probably have taken me days, and that's assuming I didn't break anything doing it blind, was accomplished in hours thanks to your info and guidance.

When did you order the heating element?  Was it recently or some time back?

The email address you used, ersatzteile"at"http://schabauer-service.at, is the same one I used, but got no response (repeatedly).  I used Google translate to translate my English into German. I have no knowledge of German, so I have no way of knowing if what I wrote made sense, but it's the same method I used in April and May of 2012 when I successfully ordered parts the last time, and they understood it well enough then. ...And that included communicating back and forth with bank wire transfer info and shipping details.

I agree that having a fluent German speaker act on my behalf is an ideal option, and I'm going to take Leo up on his kind offer to contact them.

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

svsummerlove@...
 

Jean-Luc,

Thank you for your response.  Yes, I'm very interested in what you have designed.  Please let me know when you have finished your tests.

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi Steve,
Do you want me to call Schabauer? We are in Austria  - no problem for us to establish communication between them and you!
 
Regards,
Leo
SM 69
Yin Yang

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 01.05.2015 um 08:40 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I ordered Part #031508 Heizkörper 240V 2000W Mini which is the heating element part for the dishwasher.

From: 
ersatzteile"at"schabauer-service.at
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Gerhard Huber
Ersatzteilverkauf
 
Schabauer Service & Vertrieb GmbH
IZ NÖ Süd, Str. 2a, Obj.M39/1
A-2355 Wr. Neudorf
Tel.:  02236 8120 73
Fax.: 02236 8120 14

The Eudora GS5005 is the same dishwasher, you may have some luck searching for this brand.Go to the files section and download the two files (here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/EUMENIA/),especially BDA GS Mini5500_026469.pdf because it will give you contact information for Eudora.I emailed, in English, vertrieb"at"eudora.at for this part, but never got a response, and gave up with that contact because I did get a response from ersatzteile"at"schabauer-service.at

I paid approximately 100 euro to have this part shipped to the US and a visitor from the US brought it to me in Turkey where I installed it. It was relatively easy to install.

You might try the phone numbers above. When I emailed him in English, I got no response. There was an Amel owner at the marina who emailed in in German, and he responded.

Also, See Photos at:

I think if you had a German speaking person call the number above, you might have success.

I hope this helps you get the part.

Bill
BeBe 387
At marina di Ragusa for one more day



On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:09 AM, jlmertz jlm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve, this winter I trey to change the timer and some other parts. After calling Amel, factory etc . . .  NO Parts are available !
EUMEA in Australia confirm me that no parts are available and the different parts are no more produce . . .

So I am actually making a new timer with a Microchip board that I am testing next month.
This work can be reused by any person of this group for free after my test (end of may).

I am on Cottonbay middle of may, so I cannot yet send photos of the rebuilt Mini 5500 ...

Jean-Luc
CottonBay


Le 01/05/2015 04:19, svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :
 

Does anyone know where to buy parts for the Eumenia Mini 5500 dishwashers? 

I've bought parts in the past from this email address in Austria (ersatzteile@...), but I've made several attempts to contact them with no response.  I don't get an "undeliverable" message, just no response. 

I found a yacht dealer in NZ (Challenge Yachts) who sold new 5500 dishwashers for a while, but no parts.  They told me they are out of stock for new ones, and have no plans to obtain any more.  They gave me the last source they'd had (krystkova.jana@...), but I get no response from that address either.

I even tried to contact Eaton in the UK, who made the part originally, but got no response from them either.

Has anyone had better luck than I have?

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
Hull# 340






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Wash Pump Capacity

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve, it is a really good pump and Amel had/has rebuild kits.

A contact for the pump manufacture is F.E.I.T Pompe feitpompe"at"libero.it 

The pump does not have a pressure cut off switch, so if the line gets blocked it will through the breaker in the engine room.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 3:58 AM, svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone know the GPM flow capacity and psi ratings for the anchor wash pump on an SM?  The capacity plate info on mine is no longer legible.  I'm trying to replace it, and want to make sure to do so with one that has enough capacity to at least match the old one. 

If anyone has successfully replaced theirs, which manufacturer and model pump did you use?

Thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
Hull# 340