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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

Duane Siegfri
 

Eric,  

I have a 2005 Amel SM (#477) with the 100 HP Yanmar.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

If you have a Yanmar engine there is a heat exchanger on the starboard rail of the engine.

They are available from a company in Massachusetts for about $200-

If you see oil on the exhaust water after filling the transmission- that is your problem.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

 

 

What Engine and model of Amel do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 12:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

 

 

We're new Amel owners, and on our first outing the transmission (ZF Hurth Model ZF25-2.8) lost it's oil.  I'm a far cry from a mechanic but it appears there is a leak based on the small puddle of oil under the unit.  There is no oil in the reservoir for the dipstick and there is some white froth on the dipstick.  The oil is only on the deck and not much of that really, so it wasn't a high pressure side leak. If anyone has suffered through this would you please relate to me what your problem was so I could be better informed?  I plan on calling a repair facility on Monday, there are several Factory Authorized service centers here in West Palm Beach Florida.  

 

Peggy was heartbroken over this, though she seems in better spirits today.  I'm hopeful that she will trust the boat again.

 

Duane

SV Wanderer #477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello Duane,

the gearbox oil is probably going out through the heat exchanger. This is a tube where two hoses coming from the gearbox are connected.
To investigate, you could try to fill your gearbox with new oil, start your engine (you don't need to engage forward) and see if oil is coming out of the engine wet exhaust output. It will leave a spreading oil stain on the water.
If so, the cure is to have the exchanger repaired or replaced. This is a known piece of hardware.
Once repaired, make sure there is no water standing at the bottom of the gearbox, pump it thoroughly through the filter casing.

Good luck.

Olivier.



On Sunday, May 3, 2015 6:34 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
We're new Amel owners, and on our first outing the transmission (ZF Hurth Model ZF25-2.8) lost it's oil.  I'm a far cry from a mechanic but it appears there is a leak based on the small puddle of oil under the unit.  There is no oil in the reservoir for the dipstick and there is some white froth on the dipstick.  The oil is only on the deck and not much of that really, so it wasn't a high pressure side leak. If anyone has suffered through this would you please relate to me what your problem was so I could be better informed?  I plan on calling a repair facility on Monday, there are several Factory Authorized service centers here in West Palm Beach Florida.  

Peggy was heartbroken over this, though she seems in better spirits today.  I'm hopeful that she will trust the boat again.

Duane
SV Wanderer #477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

What Engine and model of Amel do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 12:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

 

 

We're new Amel owners, and on our first outing the transmission (ZF Hurth Model ZF25-2.8) lost it's oil.  I'm a far cry from a mechanic but it appears there is a leak based on the small puddle of oil under the unit.  There is no oil in the reservoir for the dipstick and there is some white froth on the dipstick.  The oil is only on the deck and not much of that really, so it wasn't a high pressure side leak. If anyone has suffered through this would you please relate to me what your problem was so I could be better informed?  I plan on calling a repair facility on Monday, there are several Factory Authorized service centers here in West Palm Beach Florida.  

 

Peggy was heartbroken over this, though she seems in better spirits today.  I'm hopeful that she will trust the boat again.

 

Duane

SV Wanderer #477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Isolation Transformer on an AMEL 54

karkauai
 

Wolfgang,
If your boat has both 110vAC and 220vAC,
Put the galvanic isolator on the shore side of the switch that chooses generator power over shore power.  On Kristy SM243, 110vAC goes to a panel on the forward engine room bulkhead where you have to choose 110 or 220 v AC.  There is a circuit breaker there for the 110 input line.  110 then goes thru a 110-220 transformer, then goes back to the panel where you choose 110 or 220 input.  From there, 220 from either source goes to the automatic switch that selects generator over shore power.  220 shore power goes to the panel on the forward engine room bulkhead, then to the automatic switch (on SMs its above the generator).
If you put your isolator on the 220 common shore power it will protect from either 110 or 220vAC shore power faults.  The 110-220 transformer is the only equipment that will be on the shore power ground.  All other AC equipment should be grounded to the boat side of the transformer.

Kent 
SM243
Kristy
On the water again and now at Hilton Head SC in Broad Creek.  Heading North


On May 3, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Wolfgang Weber webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After all discussions I will install a galvanic separation ( electronic, no transformer ) in the ground ( land)wire just behind the connector to the boat.
Is it possible to prevent damage from higher voltage by installing APC Surge Protector ?

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162


ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

Duane Siegfri
 

We're new Amel owners, and on our first outing the transmission (ZF Hurth Model ZF25-2.8) lost it's oil.  I'm a far cry from a mechanic but it appears there is a leak based on the small puddle of oil under the unit.  There is no oil in the reservoir for the dipstick and there is some white froth on the dipstick.  The oil is only on the deck and not much of that really, so it wasn't a high pressure side leak. If anyone has suffered through this would you please relate to me what your problem was so I could be better informed?  I plan on calling a repair facility on Monday, there are several Factory Authorized service centers here in West Palm Beach Florida.  


Peggy was heartbroken over this, though she seems in better spirits today.  I'm hopeful that she will trust the boat again.


Duane

SV Wanderer #477


Re: Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Gaffney, Drew <drew.gaffney@...>
 

Two years ago our Eumenia dishwasher filled with water and would not run.  I was told the timer was non-functional and there were no replacements.  I contacted Schabauer Christian at the address below.  He thought it was not the time, but rather a pressure sensor.  No new ones were available, but he had a 'salvaged' part, sent it;  it was easy to install with the dishwasher removed.  The dishwasher works perfectly now.
Maybe the information below may be helpful.  My sense is that these dishwashers were very well made, but are nearing "end-of-life".
A thorough search for replacement DW's was unsuccessful.  The Kiwi dealer only sold new units, but hadn't done so for years.  We were unable to locate a top-loading replacement machine, so it was nice to be able to resuscitate the one we had.
Drew
SY Revelation SM390
Lying Bas du Fort, Guadeloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: FW: refrigerator/freezer access

Mark Erdos
 

The original equipment on our Amel was Frigoboat, Air Cooled Condensing Unit, AV35F The unit and parts can be purchased from: http://www.veco-na.com/   or http://www.go2marine.com/product/385897F/frigoboat-air-cooled-condensing-unit-av35f.html

 

 

Parts, support and replacement components are readily available from these web sites.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 8:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: FW: refrigerator/freezer access

 

 

Ann-Sofie & Jonas,

 

Could you please provide me with the information of the parts you used to upgrade your freezer and where you bought them?  

 

Ipanema SM2K 278

Constitution Marina

Boston, USA

Not yet recovered from the deep freeze.

 


Re: Isolation Transformer on an AMEL 54

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

After all discussions I will install a galvanic separation ( electronic, no transformer ) in the ground ( land)wire just behind the connector to the boat.
Is it possible to prevent damage from higher voltage by installing APC Surge Protector ?

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Isolation Transformer on an AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Does anybody have experience with an Isolation Transformer on an AMEL 54?


Do`s, Dont`s, weight, power, location to install......


Shore power killed a couple of electronic devices in the last couple of years. I am fed up !



Martin 


Amel 54 CHIARA (#149)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Alan Leslie
 

I think we are probably close to 20 tonnes judging by the position of the waterline, which is original, under water for the last 5m towards the stern. 
Friends with a 54 told us that on the haulout scale they weighed 26 tonnes and their waterline is submerged from about 5m from the bow.....
Alan
SV Elyse SM2K


Re: FW: refrigerator/freezer access

Jose Venegas
 

Ann-Sofie & Jonas,

Could you please provide me with the information of the parts you used to upgrade your freezer and where you bought them?  

Ipanema SM2K 278
Constitution Marina
Boston, USA
Not yet recovered from the deep freeze.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

We haven't weight ours properly, but the crane in Gilleleje, Denmark which was for 18 tons could only lift us without diesel, water, beer (!), dinghy outboard etc. 

Take your stuff aboard now, after a while you will,sort things out and get rid of it. Don't know how much "good-to-have" things we have left behind in garbage bins along the road. But I think it has to be like this, because you don't know how it is to live on a boat with minimal amount of things. And the amount of minimal things changes over the years.
Looking forward to meet you out here again soon.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232 present at the Azores

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3 maj 2015 kl. 10:26 skrev "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thank you all

20 ton loaded sounds to my experience more reasonable, and I agree it's easy to overload. We are currently clearing off all our belongings after have sold our house. We have lived together for almost 30 years and collect fare to many things most of the not necessary at all, now we only save a few things for memory and some useful items for our kids which they could have use for when starting a family. 
We are currently loading a few (3) pallets with the remaining gears that we think we have use for under an undefined numbers of years aboard our Amel SM, at least half of it for the boat, tools, spare parts, outboard motor, ropes, etc cruising books, old classic books I never had time read, our cloth, guitar, and some household goods, all in all probably close to 1 ton of goods, My first thought was that one pallet would be enough, but now it looks as it will be three full pallets??????. In the worst case I have to throw away some items when loading the boat and find I have brought to much "nice to have" which I today consider need to have. I'm just entering the beginning of the learning curve of living aboard and cruising 
Regards 
Paul on S/Y Kerpa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

We reduced the “useless clutter” to a minimum for the boat.  In fact, this was our starting point and we filled 3 large commercial bins when we took delivery of the boat last summer.  We continued the clear out this winter and again last month; we removed all electronics and replaced with modern kit.  100’s of feet of worn out rodes, halyards and sheets were also given the hiho.  

However, we added a gantry with solar panels and davits… we think we’ll be under 19t when done.  She’ll be weighed next time we haul out…

We are keeping a small apartment because the GF/Admiral is indeed a “hoarder”.  … but she’s cute!

What can we say?  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 3 May 2015, at 11:25, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you all

20 ton loaded sounds to my experience more reasonable, and I agree it's easy to overload. We are currently clearing off all our belongings after have sold our house. We have lived together for almost 30 years and collect fare to many things most of the not necessary at all, now we only save a few things for memory and some useful items for our kids which they could have use for when starting a family. 
We are currently loading a few (3) pallets with the remaining gears that we think we have use for under an undefined numbers of years aboard our Amel SM, at least half of it for the boat, tools, spare parts, outboard motor, ropes, etc cruising books, old classic books I never had time read, our cloth, guitar, and some household goods, all in all probably close to 1 ton of goods, My first thought was that one pallet would be enough, but now it looks as it will be three full pallets??????. In the worst case I have to throw away some items when loading the boat and find I have brought to much "nice to have" which I today consider need to have. I'm just entering the beginning of the learning curve of living aboard and cruising 
Regards 
Paul on S/Y Kerpa




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sailing downwind with a parachute

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Ofer,

Still in Turkey?

I have an opinion supported by various languages defining this “thing” as either a Rube Goldberg in USA

A Kleuwmeldinge in Dutch 

Or a “patente à gosse” in French Canada.

I would not even think of such a contraption on any boat.  The flying fish would roll over laughing when they saw it!! 

:-)

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 3 May 2015, at 11:15, ofer magen ofermagen@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi to all.
Please see the link:

Did anyone try it with an Amel?

Ofer Magen
Alba
A54 #160



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all
20 ton loaded sounds to my experience more reasonable, and I agree it's easy to overload. We are currently clearing off all our belongings after have sold our house. We have lived together for almost 30 years and collect fare to many things most of the not necessary at all, now we only save a few things for memory and some useful items for our kids which they could have use for when starting a family. 
We are currently loading a few (3) pallets with the remaining gears that we think we have use for under an undefined numbers of years aboard our Amel SM, at least half of it for the boat, tools, spare parts, outboard motor, ropes, etc cruising books, old classic books I never had time read, our cloth, guitar, and some household goods, all in all probably close to 1 ton of goods, My first thought was that one pallet would be enough, but now it looks as it will be three full pallets??????. In the worst case I have to throw away some items when loading the boat and find I have brought to much "nice to have" which I today consider need to have. I'm just entering the beginning of the learning curve of living aboard and cruising 
Regards 
Paul on S/Y Kerpa


sailing downwind with a parachute

ofer magen
 

Hi to all.
Please see the link:

Did anyone try it with an Amel?

Ofer Magen
Alba
A54 #160


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Dear Paul,. 
               19.6 tons.wet,fully equipped for ocean crossing. The folklore is, had you purchased an early one, The Captain only sold them by weight, so you would have been sure to know.
Regards,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico
For Sale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Olivier Beaute
 

Good evening Paul,

the last SMs (2000, from 2005) were weighted 15.3 tons empty (light displacement) which means without water, fuel and optionnal equipments (watermaker, extra batteries and charger, extra sails, extra electronics, extra awnings, etc..).
With all these equipments , water, fuel, your safety gear and personnal items, the total weight should not be above 20 tons. Above that, your SM will suffer overloading, which mainly means less speed and changes in the stability.
The SM and AMEL 54 are rather light, compared to the HR. This is due to the way their structure is built (cellular construction, stringers and bulkheads bonded to hull and deck).

Don't overload your boat with useless equipments (additional fuel tank...)

Olivier.



On Saturday, May 2, 2015 6:48 PM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
I’m wonder if someone has weighted an Amel Super Maramu when putting it on hard standing or similar? According to the Amel brochure the weight is 14 ton “empty” and 16 ton loaded. To me this looks very low, some comparison
HR 53                                            23 ton
Najad 520                                    20 ton
Oyster 485                                   17 ton
Oyster 51                                     21.7 ton
Sweden Yacht 42                        12 ton
 
All of the above are probably “empty” weight as very few builders give any other figure than empty boat.
I’m very curious what’s the real weight is

Paul on S/Y Kerpa




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

karkauai
 

Kristy was 20 tons loaded when hauled in Trinidad a few years ago.
Kent
SM243


On May 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I’m wonder if someone has weighted an Amel Super Maramu when putting it on hard standing or similar? According to the Amel brochure the weight is 14 ton “empty” and 16 ton loaded. To me this looks very low, some comparison

HR 53                                            23 ton

Najad 520                                    20 ton

Oyster 485                                   17 ton

Oyster 51                                     21.7 ton

Sweden Yacht 42                        12 ton

 

All of the above are probably “empty” weight as very few builders give any other figure than empty boat.

I’m very curious what’s the real weight is


Paul on S/Y Kerpa