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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

Eric,

Thanks,

Your suggestion is what should be done if done 100%correctly. I cheated.

I tried a shortcut (me?) that worked. I assumed that the blockage was probably at a ball valve and several pieces of stuff rather than one big piece. I turned off the water and bled the water pressure. Then I removed the galley sink wand from its hose, turned the regulator on the facet to HOT, and used some compressed air to blow the stuff backwards through the wand hose. Then, I turned on the water pump with the galley sink tap fully open to HOT, and out came all of the stuff.

I do not know about anyone else, but I have a air nozzle that I can attach to my dive tanks for cleaning things like carburetors and now galley sinks!

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Malta on the hard at MIYY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

Eric Freedman
 

Bill,

My first thought is to follow the hot water line back to where it is somehow joined to the another hot water line that

You know Is working and disconnect it at that point. I would then go to the sink and disconnect the line at that end. I would then somehow affix the sink end of the line to the bell of an air horn and press the button and see what comes out the other end.

I had a similar problem with my fuel tank and the filter inside the tank was clogged with sealant use by Amel. The horn blow the debris away and I was able to make port and fix the tank.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 2:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

 

 

I should remind you what I forgot yesterday. When replacing the heating element on a Isotemp Basic 40, be sure to order a gasket. A gasket should come with the element, because it will certainly need replacing. Isotemp does NOT include a gasket.

 

BTW, my experience is that these heating elements will last about 6 years, then they will crack, or develop a pin hole which will cause a group fault and that will trip the GF breaker on the side of the 220VAC panel and/or shore power.

 

I had two other issues and the second one of these I am asking for advice:

1.) When I removed the element from the water heater, I used a wet-vac (yes, Bob Rossi) to get all of the sediment out of the water heater. When I examined the content of the wet-vac, I found about 6 large wire-ties....mostly just the big ends of the wire-ties and about 10mm purchase of the small end. These were loose in the bottom of the tank. Has anyone experienced this? My guess is these were used in the manufacturing process and left in the tank.

 

2.) After the work was complete, we started the water pump and bled the air out at the galley sink. The air came out, all is fine on all taps except I can get almost no hot water flow at the galley sink...everywhere else is fine. Obviously, some trash, or a piece of wire tie is clogging that hot water line somewhere. I know it is not the water spray wand at the galley sink that is clogged, because cold water flows fine.

 

Any thoughts? 

 

I am going to start looking in a few hours.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

On the hard Malta MIYY


Re: Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

Ground fault, not "group fault."

Sorry for the typo. 

Bill
BeBe 387


Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

I should remind you what I forgot yesterday. When replacing the heating element on a Isotemp Basic 40, be sure to order a gasket. A gasket should come with the element, because it will certainly need replacing. Isotemp does NOT include a gasket.


BTW, my experience is that these heating elements will last about 6 years, then they will crack, or develop a pin hole which will cause a group fault and that will trip the GF breaker on the side of the 220VAC panel and/or shore power.


I had two other issues and the second one of these I am asking for advice:

1.) When I removed the element from the water heater, I used a wet-vac (yes, Bob Rossi) to get all of the sediment out of the water heater. When I examined the content of the wet-vac, I found about 6 large wire-ties....mostly just the big ends of the wire-ties and about 10mm purchase of the small end. These were loose in the bottom of the tank. Has anyone experienced this? My guess is these were used in the manufacturing process and left in the tank.


2.) After the work was complete, we started the water pump and bled the air out at the galley sink. The air came out, all is fine on all taps except I can get almost no hot water flow at the galley sink...everywhere else is fine. Obviously, some trash, or a piece of wire tie is clogging that hot water line somewhere. I know it is not the water spray wand at the galley sink that is clogged, because cold water flows fine.


Any thoughts? 


I am going to start looking in a few hours.


Bill

BeBe 387

On the hard Malta MIYY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

Eric Freedman
 

Go it.

Thanks Bill

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 12:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Eric,

Yes I received the drawings. I have not looked at them yet because I do not have a large screen available for two more days.

The grease seal on the manual main mast furler began leaking oil.  Just a small amount on the deck near the aft side of the main. I thought it was the outhaul gearbox leaking, but the wind apparently blew the oil as it fell. There is a seal that gets full exposure to UV where you attach a winch handle to manually furl the main. We replaced it and now I have a koozie (beer or coke insulator) over it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 10, 2015 2:22 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use t he kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote a bout this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Yes I received the drawings. I have not looked at them yet because I do not have a large screen available for two more days.

The grease seal on the manual main mast furler began leaking oil.  Just a small amount on the deck near the aft side of the main. I thought it was the outhaul gearbox leaking, but the wind apparently blew the oil as it fell. There is a seal that gets full exposure to UV where you attach a winch handle to manually furl the main. We replaced it and now I have a koozie (beer or coke insulator) over it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 10, 2015 2:22 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use t he kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote a bout this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

j.lochhead@...
 

Thanks Oliver & Bill,

 

 

Fantastic response but I think my question was a little missleading.  I am not so concerned with lightning. (well I am concerned but am off the belief that if it is going to get you a little wire is not going to help much)

 

What I am more worried about is corrosion.  My understanding of the bonding system is not just to be able to determine if there is a leak, but also to protect the important componets (mast, thru hull fittings etc) from corrosion by bonding them to the zinc annodes.  I might be wrong but is the bonding system not connected to the rudder annodes?

 

I am sure that the thru hulls should be bonded (it even looks like perhaps at one point mine may have been) I would also think that bonding the masts, handrails, headsail track etc would help prevent corrosion.  I have recently removed and refitted all the mast fittings and reapplied tef-gel. Even so there was some signs of corrosion starting on the mast. Also there is some corrosion on the headsail track where a stainless bolt passes though it. 

 

This may well be just a case of deteriation on a 30yr old boat, but wouldn't bonding these items help?

 

Thanks again,

 

James

Mahiti Maramu  #147

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

Eric Freedman
 

I was asking about the drink cozy and where did Bill put it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Hi Mark.  That Furler is designed to drop off the Furler so you can manually furl with a winch handle.  I've not taken it apart, but getting it off the foil shouldn't be a problem.  There are quite a few posts about the furler in the past few years.  I'm on my phone so difficult to find it now.  Good luck.

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On May 9, 2015, at 8:22 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use the kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote about this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

karkauai
 

Hi Mark.  That Furler is designed to drop off the Furler so you can manually furl with a winch handle.  I've not taken it apart, but getting it off the foil shouldn't be a problem.  There are quite a few posts about the furler in the past few years.  I'm on my phone so difficult to find it now.  Good luck.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On May 9, 2015, at 8:22 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use the kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote about this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

Eric Freedman
 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use the kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote about this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


What do you get when you cross a parott and King Kong?

Eric Freedman
 

I don’t know but when he talks you listen.

 

My point with the joke is that lightning is such a powerful force that it goes wherever it wants to and destroys whatever it wishes

.

Kimberlite was struck by lightning in about 2006. Over $100,000 worth of damage. It even blew the prop off the bow thruster.

 

From memory here are some things that were blown out:

Bow thruster assembly, jack, thruster motor. Main furling motor.

175 amp alternator, circuit board in the generator, all batteries.

2 radar chart plotters, linear autopilot, and computer, all sailing instruments, vhf radio, ssb radio , 2 instrument repeaters, 2 autopilot heads, Stereo, engine starter motor, and a lot more that I cannot remember.

Fortunately in my case

It did not put any holes in the hull

 

The insurance adjuster asked how I knew I was hit by lightning ? I showed him what was left of my VHF antenna the last 8 inches the other 20 or so inches was vaporized like  a welders rod.

 

If you look at old barns with lightning rods you will see that they use at least 1/0 gauge wire sometimes 00 gauge. This would be difficult to install in a sailboat.

Even if it was installed, it doesn’t guarantee prevention of lightning damage.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

 

 

Good evening,

 

as often, Bill has answered already the right way. He's faster than me (but I was on a business trip).

Let me add the following:

On a GRP vessel, while struck by lightning, connecting the mast/rigging to the keel will never prevent damages. The power is too high for a wire, even a big one.

When AMEL started to install electric equipments in the rigging (furlers, RADAR antennas, lights...) they (Amel and Carteau) decided not to connect the mast to the keel/bonding circuit (the yellow/green wires) because in case a wire was damaged in the mast, it would bring voltage to the bonding and therefore electrolytic corrosion.

As experience built up, there were more cases of electric leaks that caused corrosion on the deck fittings/hardware (on stanchions, guardrails, chain-plates, masts) because of leaking power and permanent salt on the deck.

This is why AMEL developped the leak detector system (on the last SMs, and every boat since). This system lets you know if a +24V or a -24V is leaking to the bonding system. This system is very good but, as the masts were not connected to the bonding system, you could not detect a leak on one of the (more and more numerous) electric equipments of the masts (spreaders'lights, motor driven satellite antennas, etc...).

This is why AMEL, then, decided to connect the masts/rigging to the bondong system (including the keel, as you know). This happened around 2009.

 

When I worked at AMEL, some clients absolutely wanted to have their mast connected to the water. In that case (when these people insisted a bit...) AMEL made an equipment "for lightning protection", two pieces of 10mm chain in a hose (to prevent chafing along the hull) that the captain would attach to the main mast top shroud chain-plate, in case of being caught in a thunder storm.

 

I've never heard people saying they had used it in a thunder storm.

I heard people saying they had been struck by lightning, directly on the vessel, or even 100 meters aside, and that all their electronics were destroyed (including alternators, battery chargers). With lightning, there is no rule...

 

I guess some people have better peace of mind if they know they have a means of connecting their rigging to the water...

Some other think that if they put a piece of chain between the rigging and the water, they will necessarily be struck.

 

The only thing I'm sure of, is that lightning strikes randomly, and even alone, with no sailing vessel around within 10 miles, you may be struck... or not...

 

Conclusion: having the mast connected to the keel will help you finding power leaks (if you have the leak detector system) but will for sure never protect you from damages due to a lightning.

 

Happy sailing.

 

Olivier.

 

 

On Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:47 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM72

St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 



On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.

So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?

I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.

But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  

 

Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?

 

James

Mahiti #147

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Olivier,

It was very good to see you in Malta this week.

For those of you that do not know, Olivier was hired by the new owner of John & Anne's BALI HAI. Olivier performed a complete survey and spent 3 days giving the new owner a complete familiarization of a Super Maramu. If any of you know a potential new owner, Olivier is absolutely the best person for that anywhere in the Med. Joel Potter is your Amel Guy in North America.

Olivier, I hesitated to post any comments because someone asked you directly and I knew you would respond. I hesitated because it is very risky to comment before you. Thank you very much for a complete and understandable explanation.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2015 6:56 PM, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good evening,

as often, Bill has answered already the right way. He's faster than me (but I was on a business trip).
Let me add the following:
On a GRP vessel, while struck by lightning, connecting the mast/rigging to the keel will never prevent damages. The power is too high for a wire, even a big one.
When AMEL started to install electric equipments in the rigging (furlers, RADAR antennas, lights...) they (Amel and Carteau) decided not to connect the mast to the keel/bonding circuit (the yellow/green wires) because in case a wire was damaged in the mast, it would bring voltage to the bonding and therefore electrolytic corrosion.
As experience built up, there were more cases of electric leaks that caused corrosion on the deck fittings/hardware (on stanchions, guardrails, chain-plates, masts) because of leaking power and permanent salt on the deck.
This is why AMEL developped the leak detector system (on the last SMs, and every boat since). This system lets you know if a +24V or a -24V is leaking to the bonding sys tem. This system is very good but, as the masts were not connected to the bonding system, you could not detect a leak on one of the (more and more numerous) electric equipments of the masts (spreaders'lights, motor driven satellite antennas, etc...).
This is why AMEL, then, decided to connect the masts/rigging to the bondong system (including the keel, as you know). This happened around 2009.

When I worked at AMEL, some clients absolutely wanted to have their mast connected to the water. In that case (when these people insisted a bit...) AMEL made an equipment "for lightning protection", two pieces of 10mm chain in a hose (to prevent chafing along the hull) that the captain would attach to the mai n mast top shroud chain-plate, in case of being caught in a thunder storm.

I've never heard people saying they had used it in a thunder storm.
I heard people saying they had been struck by lightning, directly on the vessel, or even 100 meters aside, and that all their electronics were destroyed (including alternators, battery chargers). With lightning, there is no rule...

I guess some people have better peace of mind if they know they have a means of connecting their rigging to the water...
Some other think that if they put a piece of chain between the rigging and the water, they will necessarily be struck.

The only thing I'm sure of, is that lightning strikes randomly, and even alone, with no sailing vessel around within 10 miles, you may be struck... or not...

Conclusion: having the mast connected to the keel will help you finding power leaks (if you have the leak detector system) but will for sure never protect you from damages due to a lightning.

Happy sailing.

Olivier.



On Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:47 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 


On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.
So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?
I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.
But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  

Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?

James
Mahiti #147



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Beaute Olivier
 

Good evening,

as often, Bill has answered already the right way. He's faster than me (but I was on a business trip).
Let me add the following:
On a GRP vessel, while struck by lightning, connecting the mast/rigging to the keel will never prevent damages. The power is too high for a wire, even a big one.
When AMEL started to install electric equipments in the rigging (furlers, RADAR antennas, lights...) they (Amel and Carteau) decided not to connect the mast to the keel/bonding circuit (the yellow/green wires) because in case a wire was damaged in the mast, it would bring voltage to the bonding and therefore electrolytic corrosion.
As experience built up, there were more cases of electric leaks that caused corrosion on the deck fittings/hardware (on stanchions, guardrails, chain-plates, masts) because of leaking power and permanent salt on the deck.
This is why AMEL developped the leak detector system (on the last SMs, and every boat since). This system lets you know if a +24V or a -24V is leaking to the bonding system. This system is very good but, as the masts were not connected to the bonding system, you could not detect a leak on one of the (more and more numerous) electric equipments of the masts (spreaders'lights, motor driven satellite antennas, etc...).
This is why AMEL, then, decided to connect the masts/rigging to the bondong system (including the keel, as you know). This happened around 2009.

When I worked at AMEL, some clients absolutely wanted to have their mast connected to the water. In that case (when these people insisted a bit...) AMEL made an equipment "for lightning protection", two pieces of 10mm chain in a hose (to prevent chafing along the hull) that the captain would attach to the main mast top shroud chain-plate, in case of being caught in a thunder storm.

I've never heard people saying they had used it in a thunder storm.
I heard people saying they had been struck by lightning, directly on the vessel, or even 100 meters aside, and that all their electronics were destroyed (including alternators, battery chargers). With lightning, there is no rule...

I guess some people have better peace of mind if they know they have a means of connecting their rigging to the water...
Some other think that if they put a piece of chain between the rigging and the water, they will necessarily be struck.

The only thing I'm sure of, is that lightning strikes randomly, and even alone, with no sailing vessel around within 10 miles, you may be struck... or not...

Conclusion: having the mast connected to the keel will help you finding power leaks (if you have the leak detector system) but will for sure never protect you from damages due to a lightning.

Happy sailing.

Olivier.



On Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:47 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 


On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.
So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?
I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.
But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  

Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?

James
Mahiti #147



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Stephen Davis
 

All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 


On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.

So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?

I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.

But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  


Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?


James

Mahiti #147


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.

So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?

I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.

But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  


Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?


James

Mahiti #147


Re: Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Alan Leslie
 

No the masts are not connected to the bonding system, neither is the standing rigging
why is this so...I don't know...
So many things about Amel yachts are in contradiction with commonly perceived wisdom...eg Nigel Calder
Certainly it would seem that we have no lightning protection with an unbonded rigging.
What difference would it make if we did connect the masts and rigging to the keel for example.
I can't see that this would compromise the bonding/anti-corrosion system, but may help us with lightning protection.
Maybe Olivier could help us with this question ???

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

j.lochhead@...
 

Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  


Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?


James

Mahiti #147


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi Steve

I talked yesterday with Schabauer again, and translated him your failure description. His assumption is a corrosion problem on a contact in the programmtimer  or in the level switch ( Tafel 6 NIV).  You can try to spray with “Corrioson X“ into the Timerbox. Dont open it, Schabauer said ist not possible to build it together. Maybe you finde a hole were you can spray into the box.

Schabauer has presently a used Dishwasher Eumenia 5500 , he generalise it now and  will sale it for about 450€. 

 Leo

SM 69 Yin Yang


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 02.05.2015 um 04:28 schrieb svsummerlove@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Leo,

If you go to https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/EUMENIA/ and download ET_GS 5005_5500.pdf, (Eudora Soba Geschirrspuler 5005/5500), you'll find on Seite 4 and Seite 5 (Tafel 2), "Pos in Tafel" 8 is a Programmt.Eaton M 5500 with ArtikelNr 034015.  That's where I found that part number, but I have no idea if that's how it's still identified or listed on their website.  It could be that timer is no longer made and the replacement has a different part number.  Those same pages also show a different program timer (Programmt. Siemens Mini 5005, with ArtikelNr 034000).  What's odd is that the serial number on my dishwasher is 5.384.754, which is higher than any of the serial numbers listed on that pdf.  It could be that this pdf is an older one for earlier vintage dishwashers.

The part number and info stamped on my program timer is: EC 4692.01 A 01  220/240V 50HZ T.70   6-00-36.

Please let me know what they tell you on Monday, but also please don't spend a lot of your own time trying to track this down for me.  I've spent a lot of time already and there's no guarantee the part even exists any longer.

Many thanks,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340

 

     


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brand of the Furler on the SM2000's?

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Does anyone know if profurl made genoa furler for 1990 Santorin. It is very similiar. Now rebuilding. The head of the foil also got chewed up. Any manuals? 12 volt system. 
Bali Hai SN24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On May 8, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eric

Many thanks, I've also located the drawing now too.

Regards
Colin
Island Pearl II SM332
Brisbane, Australia

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:21 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

I believe Amel made the genoa furlers and there are very few parts available if any for it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brand of the Furler on the SM2000's?

 

 

Apology for such a simple question but we are away from the boat and our manuals.

 

What is the brand of furler system for the genoa on the SM2000's?

 

Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II, sm#332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brand of the Furler on the SM2000's?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Eric

Many thanks, I've also located the drawing now too.

Regards
Colin
Island Pearl II SM332
Brisbane, Australia

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:21 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

I believe Amel made the genoa furlers and there are very few parts available if any for it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brand of the Furler on the SM2000's?

 

 

Apology for such a simple question but we are away from the boat and our manuals.

 

What is the brand of furler system for the genoa on the SM2000's?

 

Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II, sm#332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445