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Iridium Sat. Phone

Gary Wells
 

Hello,  I know this is off topic of our boats, but I am working with an Iridium 9575 (Extreme) and an Iridium Axcess Point router ((WiPipe) and they are giving me geek-fits tonight.

Wondering if anyone is using or has used this combo to put WiFi aboard and if I might spell out the challenge I'm looking at for further review.  The devices are current firmware, properly registered, fully charged and both work independently; I can make/take calls, send texts on the phone and I can access the Router via local WiFi for setup options.  The stumper is when the router is connected to the phone by USB; the phone registers "USB Cable Connected" for about 3 seconds, then says "USB Cable Disconnected" and there is no way to dial out to establish a data connection.  The weirdest part isthat the phone indicates it is now having its battery charged from the Axcess Point router.  I'm pretty sure that's not quite right :)  I have used multiple cables, and have started from 'scratch' in configuring the phone but the symptoms are unchanged. 
If anyone has run this path before, I'd certainly appreciate any coaching or troubleshooting ideas. 

Thanks,

Gary W.

S/V Adagio

SM 209




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bow thruster leaking

eric freedman
 

Hello Mr. Romano,

 

I apologize for my late reply.

 

In the photos it is indeed the propellant that we installed on our boats. Can you tell me which parts you need, knowing that we cannot provide you that virtually seals right now.

 

Sincerely,

Sonja Kessler

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bow thruster leaking

 

 

Hi

I have written to Amel Med for same reason. This is the reply.

 

================================================================================================

 Bonjour Monsieur Romano,

 

Veuillez m’excuser pour ma réponse tardive.

 

Sur les photos il s’agit bien du propulseur que nous avons installé sur nos bateaux. Pouvez-vous me dire de quelles pièces détachées vous avez besoin, sachant que nous ne pouvons pratiquement  vous fournir que les joints d’étanchéité en ce moment.

 

Cordialement,

Sonja Kessler

================================================================================================

Rosario

Sharki no 183

Arma di Taggia (Italy)

 

 

Il Martedì 5 Maggio 2015 12:47, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

 

So last night I posted the pictures of the Sharki bow thruster. New pictures are up in the photo's file under Sharki Bow thruster.  If you zoom in you can see the hairline cracks in the white housing. I wrote to SAV@ Amel to see if they have a replacement unit and / or parts for this bow thruster.  27 years of service ain't too bad,  however it might be time to replace it. 

 

As a temporary fix, I'm thinking of epoxying the housing, sanding it smooth again and re-installing the seal.  I'd also like to add a zirk fitting and just filling it with grease.  Any thoughts?

 

Aras

Sharki #163

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bow thruster leaking

Rosario Romano <rosario.romano50@...>
 

Hi
I have written to Amel Med for same reason. This is the reply.

================================================================================================
 Bonjour Monsieur Romano,
 
Veuillez m’excuser pour ma réponse tardive.
 
Sur les photos il s’agit bien du propulseur que nous avons installé sur nos bateaux. Pouvez-vous me dire de quelles pièces détachées vous avez besoin, sachant que nous ne pouvons pratiquement  vous fournir que les joints d’étanchéité en ce moment.
 
Cordialement,
Sonja Kessler
================================================================================================
Rosario
Sharki no 183
Arma di Taggia (Italy)



Il Martedì 5 Maggio 2015 12:47, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" ha scritto:


 
So last night I posted the pictures of the Sharki bow thruster. New pictures are up in the photo's file under Sharki Bow thruster.  If you zoom in you can see the hairline cracks in the white housing. I wrote to SAV@ Amel to see if they have a replacement unit and / or parts for this bow thruster.  27 years of service ain't too bad,  however it might be time to replace it. 

As a temporary fix, I'm thinking of epoxying the housing, sanding it smooth again and re-installing the seal.  I'd also like to add a zirk fitting and just filling it with grease.  Any thoughts?

Aras
Sharki #163



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Beaute Olivier
 

Good afternoon James,

bonding all the metallic items that are in touch with seawater helps fighting galvanic corrosion.
This concerns mainly the items under waterline, but also the fuel tank and freshwater pumps and ...etc...
Bonding the mast will not prevent local galvanic corrosion, like a screw fitted in aluminum, or an aluminum painted mast which gets blisters because stainless steel/bronze/chromium/aluminum are in touch, in a salty environment
Only removing salt of these masts will prevent galvanic corrosion: at every opportunity, you should remove the salt from your masts (and guardrail, and furlers).
The last Super maramu I've inspected was 14 years old, and her painted masts showed absolutely no blisters, especially in the bottom area where several kinds of metals are in touch. Again, the secret is: flush your masts to remove salt.

Bonding the masts could help removing static electricity (which enhances corrosion). The downside is: should an electric wire (positive or negative, from a worn out nav light wire) touch the mast, this would bring power to the bonding and make electrolytic corrosion.
Beware of the quality and wear of your electric wires, everywhere in the vessel.

Enjoy fair winds.

Olivier.



On Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:07 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]"


 
Thanks Oliver & Bill,
 
 
Fantastic response but I think my question was a little missleading.  I am not so concerned with lightning. (well I am concerned but am off the belief that if it is going to get you a little wire is not going to help much)
 
What I am more worried about is corrosion.  My understanding of the bonding system is not just to be able to determine if there is a leak, but also to protect the important componets (mast, thru hull fittings etc) from corrosion by bonding them to the zinc annodes.  I might be wrong but is the bonding system not connected to the rudder annodes?
 
I am sure that the thru hulls should be bonded (it even looks like perhaps at one point mine may have been) I would also think that bonding the masts, handrails, headsail track etc would help prevent corrosion.  I have recently removed and refitted all the mast fittings and reapplied tef-gel. Even so there was some signs of corrosion starting on the mast. Also there is some corrosion on the headsail track where a stainless bolt passes though it. 
 
This may well be just a case of deteriation on a 30yr old boat, but wouldn't bonding these items help?
 
Thanks again,
 
James
Mahiti Maramu  #147
 

 



Air hose and outboard

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Bill,

I should have known it would be practical… :-)

I’ll do something similar… diving “sans” the entire kit is a blimey good idea.  

I too have a prob with junk in the carb.. made worse by the 1:100 oil mix as my Yammy is 2S.  I reduced the problem a lot when I started to burn all the fuel in the carb prior to storage.  

Process: I haul the engine into the port rail block, then using the bottom part of a discarded balloon fender attached by 3 lines to the rail, I slip the balloon onto the foot and fill it with water, disconnect the fuel line, start the engine and let it run until it runs out of fuel.  I then remove the ballon, ditch the soiled water and place the cover atop the engine.  BASTA… 

Thank you for your idea.


JPG


On 10 May 2015, at 10:10, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

JP,


I went to a dive shop and told them that I wanted two things:
A fifty foot hose that would attach to my dive tank regulator and a an air-jet nozzle that I could attach to the other end of the hose. I told them I also wanted to be able to attach my octopus to the end of the hose for a quick dive on the propeller, etc.

They sold me what I needed with quick-disconnects to use the new 50 foot hose as an extension so that I could dive without kitting up, leaving the tank on deck...AND...I can attach an air-jet nozzle to that same line for general compressed-air projects on the boat. Of course, a strong jet of air is needed nowadays to clean the reconstituted corn that is left in the outboard engine carburetor by ethanol which is added gasoline. grrrr.

Bill
BeBe 387


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

JP,

I went to a dive shop and told them that I wanted two things:
A fifty foot hose that would attach to my dive tank regulator and a an air-jet nozzle that I could attach to the other end of the hose. I told them I also wanted to be able to attach my octopus to the end of the hose for a quick dive on the propeller, etc.

They sold me what I needed with quick-disconnects to use the new 50 foot hose as an extension so that I could dive without kitting up, leaving the tank on deck...AND...I can attach an air-jet nozzle to that same line for general compressed-air projects on the boat. Of course, a strong jet of air is needed nowadays to clean the reconstituted corn that is left in the outboard engine carburetor by ethanol which is added gasoline. grrrr.

Bill
BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Bill,

I wish to get an air line as you have.  What did you use?

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007


On 10 May 2015, at 09:44, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,


Thanks,

Your suggestion is what should be done if done 100%correctly. I cheated.

I tried a shortcut (me?) that worked. I assumed that the blockage was probably at a ball valve and several pieces of stuff rather than one big piece. I turned off the water and bled the water pressure. Then I removed the galley sink wand from its hose, turned the regulator on the facet to HOT, and used some compressed air to blow the stuff backwards through the wand hose. Then, I turned on the water pump with the galley sink tap fully open to HOT, and out came all of the stuff.

I do not know about anyone else, but I have a air nozzle that I can attach to my dive tanks for cleaning things like carburetors and now galley sinks!

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Malta on the hard at MIYY


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

Eric,

Thanks,

Your suggestion is what should be done if done 100%correctly. I cheated.

I tried a shortcut (me?) that worked. I assumed that the blockage was probably at a ball valve and several pieces of stuff rather than one big piece. I turned off the water and bled the water pressure. Then I removed the galley sink wand from its hose, turned the regulator on the facet to HOT, and used some compressed air to blow the stuff backwards through the wand hose. Then, I turned on the water pump with the galley sink tap fully open to HOT, and out came all of the stuff.

I do not know about anyone else, but I have a air nozzle that I can attach to my dive tanks for cleaning things like carburetors and now galley sinks!

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Malta on the hard at MIYY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

eric freedman
 

Bill,

My first thought is to follow the hot water line back to where it is somehow joined to the another hot water line that

You know Is working and disconnect it at that point. I would then go to the sink and disconnect the line at that end. I would then somehow affix the sink end of the line to the bell of an air horn and press the button and see what comes out the other end.

I had a similar problem with my fuel tank and the filter inside the tank was clogged with sealant use by Amel. The horn blow the debris away and I was able to make port and fix the tank.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 2:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

 

 

I should remind you what I forgot yesterday. When replacing the heating element on a Isotemp Basic 40, be sure to order a gasket. A gasket should come with the element, because it will certainly need replacing. Isotemp does NOT include a gasket.

 

BTW, my experience is that these heating elements will last about 6 years, then they will crack, or develop a pin hole which will cause a group fault and that will trip the GF breaker on the side of the 220VAC panel and/or shore power.

 

I had two other issues and the second one of these I am asking for advice:

1.) When I removed the element from the water heater, I used a wet-vac (yes, Bob Rossi) to get all of the sediment out of the water heater. When I examined the content of the wet-vac, I found about 6 large wire-ties....mostly just the big ends of the wire-ties and about 10mm purchase of the small end. These were loose in the bottom of the tank. Has anyone experienced this? My guess is these were used in the manufacturing process and left in the tank.

 

2.) After the work was complete, we started the water pump and bled the air out at the galley sink. The air came out, all is fine on all taps except I can get almost no hot water flow at the galley sink...everywhere else is fine. Obviously, some trash, or a piece of wire tie is clogging that hot water line somewhere. I know it is not the water spray wand at the galley sink that is clogged, because cold water flows fine.

 

Any thoughts? 

 

I am going to start looking in a few hours.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

On the hard Malta MIYY


Re: Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

Ground fault, not "group fault."

Sorry for the typo. 

Bill
BeBe 387


Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

yahoogroups@...
 

I should remind you what I forgot yesterday. When replacing the heating element on a Isotemp Basic 40, be sure to order a gasket. A gasket should come with the element, because it will certainly need replacing. Isotemp does NOT include a gasket.


BTW, my experience is that these heating elements will last about 6 years, then they will crack, or develop a pin hole which will cause a group fault and that will trip the GF breaker on the side of the 220VAC panel and/or shore power.


I had two other issues and the second one of these I am asking for advice:

1.) When I removed the element from the water heater, I used a wet-vac (yes, Bob Rossi) to get all of the sediment out of the water heater. When I examined the content of the wet-vac, I found about 6 large wire-ties....mostly just the big ends of the wire-ties and about 10mm purchase of the small end. These were loose in the bottom of the tank. Has anyone experienced this? My guess is these were used in the manufacturing process and left in the tank.


2.) After the work was complete, we started the water pump and bled the air out at the galley sink. The air came out, all is fine on all taps except I can get almost no hot water flow at the galley sink...everywhere else is fine. Obviously, some trash, or a piece of wire tie is clogging that hot water line somewhere. I know it is not the water spray wand at the galley sink that is clogged, because cold water flows fine.


Any thoughts? 


I am going to start looking in a few hours.


Bill

BeBe 387

On the hard Malta MIYY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

eric freedman
 

Go it.

Thanks Bill

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 12:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Eric,

Yes I received the drawings. I have not looked at them yet because I do not have a large screen available for two more days.

The grease seal on the manual main mast furler began leaking oil.  Just a small amount on the deck near the aft side of the main. I thought it was the outhaul gearbox leaking, but the wind apparently blew the oil as it fell. There is a seal that gets full exposure to UV where you attach a winch handle to manually furl the main. We replaced it and now I have a koozie (beer or coke insulator) over it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 10, 2015 2:22 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use t he kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote a bout this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Yes I received the drawings. I have not looked at them yet because I do not have a large screen available for two more days.

The grease seal on the manual main mast furler began leaking oil.  Just a small amount on the deck near the aft side of the main. I thought it was the outhaul gearbox leaking, but the wind apparently blew the oil as it fell. There is a seal that gets full exposure to UV where you attach a winch handle to manually furl the main. We replaced it and now I have a koozie (beer or coke insulator) over it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 10, 2015 2:22 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use t he kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote a bout this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

j.lochhead@...
 

Thanks Oliver & Bill,

 

 

Fantastic response but I think my question was a little missleading.  I am not so concerned with lightning. (well I am concerned but am off the belief that if it is going to get you a little wire is not going to help much)

 

What I am more worried about is corrosion.  My understanding of the bonding system is not just to be able to determine if there is a leak, but also to protect the important componets (mast, thru hull fittings etc) from corrosion by bonding them to the zinc annodes.  I might be wrong but is the bonding system not connected to the rudder annodes?

 

I am sure that the thru hulls should be bonded (it even looks like perhaps at one point mine may have been) I would also think that bonding the masts, handrails, headsail track etc would help prevent corrosion.  I have recently removed and refitted all the mast fittings and reapplied tef-gel. Even so there was some signs of corrosion starting on the mast. Also there is some corrosion on the headsail track where a stainless bolt passes though it. 

 

This may well be just a case of deteriation on a 30yr old boat, but wouldn't bonding these items help?

 

Thanks again,

 

James

Mahiti Maramu  #147

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

eric freedman
 

I was asking about the drink cozy and where did Bill put it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Hi Mark.  That Furler is designed to drop off the Furler so you can manually furl with a winch handle.  I've not taken it apart, but getting it off the foil shouldn't be a problem.  There are quite a few posts about the furler in the past few years.  I'm on my phone so difficult to find it now.  Good luck.

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On May 9, 2015, at 8:22 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use the kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote about this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

karkauai
 

Hi Mark.  That Furler is designed to drop off the Furler so you can manually furl with a winch handle.  I've not taken it apart, but getting it off the foil shouldn't be a problem.  There are quite a few posts about the furler in the past few years.  I'm on my phone so difficult to find it now.  Good luck.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On May 9, 2015, at 8:22 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use the kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote about this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

eric freedman
 

Bill,

I was saving this message. On the reread I do not understand it.

Did you get the brake drawing and photo?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Grease or Oil from main sail furler

 

 

Mark,

When I returned to Turkey in 2013 after my surgery,  I had the same leak. I was in no condition to do any work and I had Emek do it while they were doing the antifouling. I can't tell you what they did, but I can tell you and everyone how to avoid it.

According to Emek, the seal deteriorates because of UV. Cut a foam koozie that you use to keep a can drink cold to size...the diameter is perfect, you need to cut the length.  Use the kind of koozie that is enclosed on the bottom.  Works perfect.

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 24, 2014 3:48 PM, "Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACFFyA4LLkyy_9V3X25ioPUa?n=257876593

 

hopefully this link works.

 

Yes. This is the main sail furler (in mast). 

 

Anyone knows who makes this unit? Assuming I am able to get it apart to service, I will probably need parts. And, perhaps the manufacturer has an exploded parts diagram online ~wishful thinking.

 

Mark

SM2K#275

 

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, 

 

The dropbox link is not working.

 

I have not experienced a furler gear leak on the Genoa, but have heard that some owners experience grease dripping on the deck that comes from the grease that is between the fore stay and the foil. Joel Potter wrote about this to the Group. I found this, "It is normal. It's the grease put on the head stay to lube the furler foil do e at Amel. If the grease stops, time to probably replace the rigging as it usually happens at 13-17 years."

 

I think there was a more detail response, but I could not find it, and I do not know if this is what you are experiencing on CreamPuff

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Mark Erdos mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pybv05u7dbw8w00/AACyz2QeX069dvqYOxArWvMsa

 

 

Hi All,

 

I have had a leak in the gear unit of the mainsail furling unit (please click link to open pictures). This has become steadily worse and now I need to do something about it.

 

Has anyone serviced this unit?????

 

I have removed the four allen bolts on the black cap (where winch is inserted) but this does not give me access to anything. I did not see any seals or gaskets.

 

It looks like the unit needs to be removed from the mast by the four bolts through the mast and disconnected somehow from the internal furling. I am not sure if the unit will drop down once the motor is removed. It made be firmly attached to the furler.  There are four allen bolts on the lower side (assuming the unit detaches) that look like the unit would then break into two parts.

 

Does anyone have a diagram for this? I have no idea what I am about to get into.

 

Any suggestions welcome.

 

Mark

SM#275

 

 


What do you get when you cross a parott and King Kong?

eric freedman
 

I don’t know but when he talks you listen.

 

My point with the joke is that lightning is such a powerful force that it goes wherever it wants to and destroys whatever it wishes

.

Kimberlite was struck by lightning in about 2006. Over $100,000 worth of damage. It even blew the prop off the bow thruster.

 

From memory here are some things that were blown out:

Bow thruster assembly, jack, thruster motor. Main furling motor.

175 amp alternator, circuit board in the generator, all batteries.

2 radar chart plotters, linear autopilot, and computer, all sailing instruments, vhf radio, ssb radio , 2 instrument repeaters, 2 autopilot heads, Stereo, engine starter motor, and a lot more that I cannot remember.

Fortunately in my case

It did not put any holes in the hull

 

The insurance adjuster asked how I knew I was hit by lightning ? I showed him what was left of my VHF antenna the last 8 inches the other 20 or so inches was vaporized like  a welders rod.

 

If you look at old barns with lightning rods you will see that they use at least 1/0 gauge wire sometimes 00 gauge. This would be difficult to install in a sailboat.

Even if it was installed, it doesn’t guarantee prevention of lightning damage.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

 

 

Good evening,

 

as often, Bill has answered already the right way. He's faster than me (but I was on a business trip).

Let me add the following:

On a GRP vessel, while struck by lightning, connecting the mast/rigging to the keel will never prevent damages. The power is too high for a wire, even a big one.

When AMEL started to install electric equipments in the rigging (furlers, RADAR antennas, lights...) they (Amel and Carteau) decided not to connect the mast to the keel/bonding circuit (the yellow/green wires) because in case a wire was damaged in the mast, it would bring voltage to the bonding and therefore electrolytic corrosion.

As experience built up, there were more cases of electric leaks that caused corrosion on the deck fittings/hardware (on stanchions, guardrails, chain-plates, masts) because of leaking power and permanent salt on the deck.

This is why AMEL developped the leak detector system (on the last SMs, and every boat since). This system lets you know if a +24V or a -24V is leaking to the bonding system. This system is very good but, as the masts were not connected to the bonding system, you could not detect a leak on one of the (more and more numerous) electric equipments of the masts (spreaders'lights, motor driven satellite antennas, etc...).

This is why AMEL, then, decided to connect the masts/rigging to the bondong system (including the keel, as you know). This happened around 2009.

 

When I worked at AMEL, some clients absolutely wanted to have their mast connected to the water. In that case (when these people insisted a bit...) AMEL made an equipment "for lightning protection", two pieces of 10mm chain in a hose (to prevent chafing along the hull) that the captain would attach to the main mast top shroud chain-plate, in case of being caught in a thunder storm.

 

I've never heard people saying they had used it in a thunder storm.

I heard people saying they had been struck by lightning, directly on the vessel, or even 100 meters aside, and that all their electronics were destroyed (including alternators, battery chargers). With lightning, there is no rule...

 

I guess some people have better peace of mind if they know they have a means of connecting their rigging to the water...

Some other think that if they put a piece of chain between the rigging and the water, they will necessarily be struck.

 

The only thing I'm sure of, is that lightning strikes randomly, and even alone, with no sailing vessel around within 10 miles, you may be struck... or not...

 

Conclusion: having the mast connected to the keel will help you finding power leaks (if you have the leak detector system) but will for sure never protect you from damages due to a lightning.

 

Happy sailing.

 

Olivier.

 

 

On Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:47 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM72

St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 



On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.

So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?

I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.

But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  

 

Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?

 

James

Mahiti #147

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Olivier,

It was very good to see you in Malta this week.

For those of you that do not know, Olivier was hired by the new owner of John & Anne's BALI HAI. Olivier performed a complete survey and spent 3 days giving the new owner a complete familiarization of a Super Maramu. If any of you know a potential new owner, Olivier is absolutely the best person for that anywhere in the Med. Joel Potter is your Amel Guy in North America.

Olivier, I hesitated to post any comments because someone asked you directly and I knew you would respond. I hesitated because it is very risky to comment before you. Thank you very much for a complete and understandable explanation.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2015 6:56 PM, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good evening,

as often, Bill has answered already the right way. He's faster than me (but I was on a business trip).
Let me add the following:
On a GRP vessel, while struck by lightning, connecting the mast/rigging to the keel will never prevent damages. The power is too high for a wire, even a big one.
When AMEL started to install electric equipments in the rigging (furlers, RADAR antennas, lights...) they (Amel and Carteau) decided not to connect the mast to the keel/bonding circuit (the yellow/green wires) because in case a wire was damaged in the mast, it would bring voltage to the bonding and therefore electrolytic corrosion.
As experience built up, there were more cases of electric leaks that caused corrosion on the deck fittings/hardware (on stanchions, guardrails, chain-plates, masts) because of leaking power and permanent salt on the deck.
This is why AMEL developped the leak detector system (on the last SMs, and every boat since). This system lets you know if a +24V or a -24V is leaking to the bonding sys tem. This system is very good but, as the masts were not connected to the bonding system, you could not detect a leak on one of the (more and more numerous) electric equipments of the masts (spreaders'lights, motor driven satellite antennas, etc...).
This is why AMEL, then, decided to connect the masts/rigging to the bondong system (including the keel, as you know). This happened around 2009.

When I worked at AMEL, some clients absolutely wanted to have their mast connected to the water. In that case (when these people insisted a bit...) AMEL made an equipment "for lightning protection", two pieces of 10mm chain in a hose (to prevent chafing along the hull) that the captain would attach to the mai n mast top shroud chain-plate, in case of being caught in a thunder storm.

I've never heard people saying they had used it in a thunder storm.
I heard people saying they had been struck by lightning, directly on the vessel, or even 100 meters aside, and that all their electronics were destroyed (including alternators, battery chargers). With lightning, there is no rule...

I guess some people have better peace of mind if they know they have a means of connecting their rigging to the water...
Some other think that if they put a piece of chain between the rigging and the water, they will necessarily be struck.

The only thing I'm sure of, is that lightning strikes randomly, and even alone, with no sailing vessel around within 10 miles, you may be struck... or not...

Conclusion: having the mast connected to the keel will help you finding power leaks (if you have the leak detector system) but will for sure never protect you from damages due to a lightning.

Happy sailing.

Olivier.



On Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:47 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 


On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.
So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?
I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.
But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  

Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?

James
Mahiti #147



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Beaute Olivier
 

Good evening,

as often, Bill has answered already the right way. He's faster than me (but I was on a business trip).
Let me add the following:
On a GRP vessel, while struck by lightning, connecting the mast/rigging to the keel will never prevent damages. The power is too high for a wire, even a big one.
When AMEL started to install electric equipments in the rigging (furlers, RADAR antennas, lights...) they (Amel and Carteau) decided not to connect the mast to the keel/bonding circuit (the yellow/green wires) because in case a wire was damaged in the mast, it would bring voltage to the bonding and therefore electrolytic corrosion.
As experience built up, there were more cases of electric leaks that caused corrosion on the deck fittings/hardware (on stanchions, guardrails, chain-plates, masts) because of leaking power and permanent salt on the deck.
This is why AMEL developped the leak detector system (on the last SMs, and every boat since). This system lets you know if a +24V or a -24V is leaking to the bonding system. This system is very good but, as the masts were not connected to the bonding system, you could not detect a leak on one of the (more and more numerous) electric equipments of the masts (spreaders'lights, motor driven satellite antennas, etc...).
This is why AMEL, then, decided to connect the masts/rigging to the bondong system (including the keel, as you know). This happened around 2009.

When I worked at AMEL, some clients absolutely wanted to have their mast connected to the water. In that case (when these people insisted a bit...) AMEL made an equipment "for lightning protection", two pieces of 10mm chain in a hose (to prevent chafing along the hull) that the captain would attach to the main mast top shroud chain-plate, in case of being caught in a thunder storm.

I've never heard people saying they had used it in a thunder storm.
I heard people saying they had been struck by lightning, directly on the vessel, or even 100 meters aside, and that all their electronics were destroyed (including alternators, battery chargers). With lightning, there is no rule...

I guess some people have better peace of mind if they know they have a means of connecting their rigging to the water...
Some other think that if they put a piece of chain between the rigging and the water, they will necessarily be struck.

The only thing I'm sure of, is that lightning strikes randomly, and even alone, with no sailing vessel around within 10 miles, you may be struck... or not...

Conclusion: having the mast connected to the keel will help you finding power leaks (if you have the leak detector system) but will for sure never protect you from damages due to a lightning.

Happy sailing.

Olivier.



On Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:47 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
All very good questions which I would like to know the answer to. Our boat was struck by lighting in 2011 prior to our ownership, most of the electronics were destroyed, and some wiring was burned as well. It cost the previous owner who was self insured a about 25k in repairs. It would be nice to be able to avoid such problems in the future, but I've never heard of a sure way to do that. Hard to overcome the power of Mother Nature. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks. 


On May 9, 2015, at 08:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I love this kind of question and I really like challenging Nigel Calder, who I believe is right the majority of the time.
So let me add some questions to this thought proces:
1.) Does anyone know the range of power of a lightning Strike?
2.) Does anyone know how to direct the electric power generated in a lightning strike to follow a predetermined path?
3.) If you were sure you were going to have a lightning strike and happened to know the answers to the first two questions why would you bond all of the electrical devices together to share the power of that lightning strike?
I really trust Henri Amel's decisions, especially when there are two or more possibilities....AND even when "some experts" say something else.
But, to confuse matters, I heard the rigging and masts are part of the bonding system on the 54.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2015 10:57 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi,  I have read on a previous thread that the masts are not bonded on the SM. I have a Maramu and it appears to be the same.  What I am not sure is Why this is so.  Should it not be bonded?  

Further I have noticed that the forward through hulls are not bonded either.  I am sure these should be, correct?

James
Mahiti #147