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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am not sure about Amel being the reason because the Isotemp Basic 40 on BeBe was replaced while we were in New Zealand...Amel did not touch this one. 

Isotemp is doing something with those wire ties.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:56 AM, galacsea2000 <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Just for your info.

The wire ties you found in the water heater come from the fact that, in the old days, Amel used to install magnesium anodes inside the water heater. These anodes were tied to the heating element connected to the engine cooling mix.



Re: Water Heater replacing the electric heating element

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

Just for your info.
The wire ties you found in the water heater come from the fact that, in the old days, Amel used to install magnesium anodes inside the water heater. These anodes were tied to the heating element connected to the engine cooling mix.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] desalanator D50

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Will,

I have the D-60 and my experience is very small on water maker.

After the water maker person changed the membrane (and the “high pressure” switch which was not working), my water maker would also shut down.
It was due to the fact it would reach the “red” zone on the “high pressure gage” and automatically shut down for safety.
If I were you I would monitor the gage with the pressure and if you see if it reached that red zone and shut down there.

Pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/water_maker_duo_d60.html

Hope that helps, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Port Lucaya, Grand bahama, Bahamas.

PS: In Fort Lauderdale I used Henry Nunez HNunez@se-power.com to service my water maker.
He is one of the very few person that actually did a good job.




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On Mon, 5/11/15, tango708@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] desalanator D50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 11, 2015, 9:42 PM


 









Hi, I recently had my membranes replaced on my
desalanator D50 (1996) the unit worked fine for a few days
and then started turning itself off.

Any ideas out there as to what I might look at
a the problem.  Anyone know a good water maker person in
Ft. Lauderdale?

Regards,

Will Stout
Anni Bea True
presently in PR
in route to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale











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Re: desalanator D50

Alan Leslie
 

All models are pretty much the same apart from membrane numbers and pump capacity...
When you say it "turns itself off", does that mean the circuit breaker (diruptor) "dessalinateur" trips ?
Or does the pump just stop by itself ?
Is it running in 220VAC or 24VDC when this happens ?
Is it actually producing flow before it "stops"?
Have you made sure the oil level is OK ?
The so-called "water quality": sensor, doesn't work on most Super Maramu installations..the divert to the water tank is timed....not detected water quality...disconnect the water quality sensor to prove this.
It's unlikely the sensor is stopping it.
Lots of questions I know, but it its not a simple system...even though it looks like it
Cheers
Alam
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] desalanator D50

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Check that the pre-filter is filled with water. If you changed that in the same time it takes some time to get the water through the pre-filter since it has to be really soaked.

Also check the sensor probe, controlling the water quality, mounted at the end of the membranes.

Regards
Jonas & Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM #232, 1998.
Present in the Azores



Skickat från min iPad

12 maj 2015 kl. 02:42 skrev tango708@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi, I recently had my membranes replaced on my desalanator D50 (1996) the unit worked fine for a few days and then started turning itself off.

Any ideas out there as to what I might look at a the problem.  Anyone know a good water maker person in Ft. Lauderdale?

Regards,

Will Stout
Anni Bea True
presently in PR in route to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale



Re: desalanator D50

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Will:

I am a bit unfamiliar with the D50 but have some experience with the 220 VAC 50 Hz 120 liter/hr Dessalator water maker.  

Is the D50 a 220 VAC water maker?

How many liters/hr does it make?

When you say it, "shuts itself off"  exactly what is happening?  For instance on my water maker there is control circuitry that is 24 VDC and operational voltage for the feed low pressure pump and the high pressure pump.  I found that my Diruptor circuit breaker would trip randomly and I replaced it with a slightly higher amperage breaker and have had no further problems (these CBs are thermal devices and I operate in the Caribbean where there are higher than France ambient temperatures. 

Happy to help any way I can if you can be a bit more specific about your system and your symptoms.

All the best, 

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona   SM # 335
Sapphire Bay Marina, St. Thomas


desalanator D50

tango708@...
 

Hi, I recently had my membranes replaced on my desalanator D50 (1996) the unit worked fine for a few days and then started turning itself off.

Any ideas out there as to what I might look at a the problem.  Anyone know a good water maker person in Ft. Lauderdale?

Regards,

Will Stout
Anni Bea True
presently in PR in route to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

svsummerlove@...
 

Hi Leo,

I can't thank you enough for going to all this trouble for me.  I'll try spraying the timer.

Do you have the name and email address of the person you talked to at Schabauer in case I decide to look into buying the used one?  Does he speak English or would I need to have it translated before sending it?

Again, many thanks Leo,

Steve Constantine
s/v Summer Love
SMM #340


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel's Bonding System

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi James,

yes your ballast should be bonded. Probably in the eighties, AMEL did not put a copper strap but a copper braid with a terminal connected (bolted on one of the keel bolts inside the grey water bilge.

You could first try to check the electric relation between the engine and the ballast outside (measure the resistance with an ohm-meter).

Olivier



On Monday, May 11, 2015 1:56 PM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Olivier,

Still looking at the bonding and came across the below.  Do you know should there be a bilge strap on a Maramu 46.  The keel is bolted so I presume it should be bonded.  As far as I can determine there is not copper strap in the deep bilge.

Thanks again

James
Mahiti #147


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi gary,

the cast iron ballast, on a Sharki, is dropped Inside the GRP keel, glued with polyester, and isn't held with bolts. It should never touch the water and isn't bonded.
The bonding point that Dieter searches can be the engine body, or the top of the rudder shaft in the aft cabin.
There aren't so many items to bond in a Sharki, but, for instance, the through hull and seacock for the WC must be bonded (a wire connecting the seacock to the engine body or to the rudder shaft).

Al the best.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:16 PM, amelliahona wrote:


 
Hi Dieter:

I know nothing about Sharki construction, but just wanted to verify that the copper bar that connects the keel bolt of a SM (iron keel encased in epoxy paint envelope and hopefully with minimal salt water exposure), is part of the bonding system, not part of the AC grounding system.  I would guess that the Sharki keel is connected to the bonding somewhere.  Olivier, what say you?

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM #335





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Hydra 330 - processor

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Peter,

Tinley Electronics (http://www.tinleyelectronics.com/) in the UK is
the authorized repair depot. They will repair or rebuild aything.

Email "Sarah Pidgley" <sarah@tinley.net>

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387
Just completed a haul out at MIYY, Malta


On 5/11/15, Steve Davis flyboyscd@gmail.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Peter,

My SM is also a 1992, and for now the B&G instruments are working.
Recently,
both of my multi function displays were difficult to read, and the
buttons
were not working well. I took them out, and sent them to Myles
Electronics
in Deland, Florida for repair. www.myleselectronics.com/

Myles is British gentleman, and has been repairing B&G equipment for
more
than 20 years in his one man shop. He is very knowledgable, and has a lot
of
old spares which no one else has. Just about everyone in the USA,
including
dealers, send old B&G equipment to Myles for repair. He was able to
replace
both LCDs and get the buttons working in mine for about $200.00 U.S. Also,
I
have seen our B&G processors or EBay several times in the last year.

With that said, our B&G instruments are very old, and I assume they will
fail sometime during our planned 10 year circumnavigation. We purchased a
Raymarine I70 multifunction display system pack for about $1200.00. It
consist of a thru-hull combination speed/temp/depth transducer, mast head
wind, and the display. At our haul out recently, we installed the hull
transducer, and I installed the wind transducer at the top of mizzen. The
I70 has a very nice display, and it integrates everything you need into
one
display. Also the new Ray equipment is NEMA 2000 compatible, it
integrated
easily with my newer Raymarine autopilot, and with my new Vesper Marine
AIS.
It is also easy to add other Ray instruments with one cable off the NEMA
2000 backbone.

I'm keeping my B&G equipment, but now have a complete backup should it
decide to expire of old age. Should you decide to go this route, you will
be
amazed by how functional these new displays are.

Regards
Steve and Liz
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks



On May 11, 2015, at 08:21, mausi@gonex.de [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello,

I got the B&G instruments, transducers and sensors and the Hydra 330
installed on my SM (build 1992). The processor does no longer work and
after calling into B&G UK, I learned that there is no replacement or
spare
availlable.

Did someone in this group found a solution which keeps the sounders and
sensors and the instruments (or parts of it) or is it mandantory to
throw
them all away and just install something new?

Thanks for your help,
Peter




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Sat. Phone

Gary Wells
 

Hi Kent,


Did you get the Iridium :Go" setup?  If so, then the WiFi data is autonomous from the phone.  Thew ay I understand this Axcess Point setup is that the router has to actually dial the phone and establish a data connection, then devices can use that connection via WiFi.  It's ~supposed~ to be automatic, but it just isn't cooperating :)


Gary W

S/V Adagio, SM 209




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Hydra 330 - processor

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Peter,

My SM is also a 1992, and for now the B&G instruments are working. Recently, both of my multi function displays were difficult to read, and the buttons were not working well. I took them out, and sent them to Myles Electronics in Deland, Florida for repair. www.myleselectronics.com/

Myles is  British gentleman, and has been repairing B&G equipment for more than 20 years in his one man shop. He is very knowledgable, and has a lot of old spares which no one else has. Just about everyone in the USA, including dealers, send old B&G equipment to Myles for repair. He was able to replace both LCDs and get the buttons working in mine for about $200.00 U.S. Also, I have seen our B&G processors or EBay several times in the last year. 

With that said, our B&G instruments are very old, and I assume they will fail sometime during our planned 10 year circumnavigation. We purchased a Raymarine I70 multifunction display system pack for about $1200.00. It consist of a thru-hull combination speed/temp/depth transducer, mast head wind, and the display. At our haul out recently, we installed the hull transducer, and I installed the wind transducer at the top of mizzen. The I70 has a very nice display, and it integrates everything you need into one display. Also the new Ray equipment is NEMA 2000 compatible, it integrated easily with my newer Raymarine autopilot, and with my new Vesper Marine AIS. It is also easy to add other Ray instruments with one cable off the NEMA 2000 backbone. 

I'm keeping my B&G equipment, but now have a complete backup should it decide to expire of old age. Should you decide to go this route, you will be amazed by how functional these new displays are. 

Regards
Steve and Liz 
Aloha SM72
St Augustine, FL for a few more weeks



On May 11, 2015, at 08:21, mausi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

I got the B&G instruments, transducers and sensors and the Hydra 330 installed on my SM (build 1992). The processor does no longer work and after calling into B&G UK, I learned that there is no replacement or spare availlable.

Did someone in this group found a solution which keeps the sounders and sensors and the instruments (or parts of it) or is it mandantory to throw them all away and just install something new?

Thanks for your help,
Peter



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Sat. Phone

Peter Forbes
 

Gary,

Good question - I would like to know the answer if you get it as I have a similar set upon my 54.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
Travelling West in Mediterranean

On 11 May 2015, at 12:40, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Gary,
I just received the same equipment as you have.  I have sent emails via the wifi access point, and made calls with the phone, not using the access point.  I haven't tried using the phone plugged into the access point by USB.
What are you trying to do with it plugged in rather than using the wifi hotspot for email or web weather?

I'll give it a try and get back to you tomorrow.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
En Route to Charleston SC


On May 10, 2015, at 9:45 PM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello,  I know this is off topic of our boats, but I am working with an Iridium 9575 (Extreme) and an Iridium Axcess Point router ((WiPipe) and they are giving me geek-fits tonight.

Wondering if anyone is using or has used this combo to put WiFi aboard and if I might spell out the challenge I'm looking at for further review.  The devices are current firmware, properly registered, fully charged and both work independently; I can make/take calls, send texts on the phone and I can access the Router via local WiFi for setup options.  The stumper is when the router is connected to the phone by USB; the phone registers "USB Cable Connected" for about 3 seconds, then says "USB Cable Disconnected" and there is no way to dial out to establish a data connection.  The weirdest part isthat the phone indicates it is now having its battery charged from the Axcess Point router.  I'm pretty sure that's not quite right :)  I have used multiple cables, and have started from 'scratch' in configuring the phone but the symptoms are unchanged.  
If anyone has run this path before, I'd certainly appreciate any coaching or troubleshooting ideas.  

Thanks,

Gary W.

S/V Adagio

SM 209







B&G Hydra 330 - processor

Peter
 

Hello,

I got the B&G instruments, transducers and sensors and the Hydra 330 installed on my SM (build 1992). The processor does no longer work and after calling into B&G UK, I learned that there is no replacement or spare availlable.

Did someone in this group found a solution which keeps the sounders and sensors and the instruments (or parts of it) or is it mandantory to throw them all away and just install something new?

Thanks for your help,
Peter



Re: Amel's Bonding System

j.lochhead@...
 

Hi Olivier,

Still looking at the bonding and came across the below.  Do you know should there be a bilge strap on a Maramu 46.  The keel is bolted so I presume it should be bonded.  As far as I can determine there is not copper strap in the deep bilge.

Thanks again

James
Mahiti #147


---In amelyachtowners@..., <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote :

Hi gary,

the cast iron ballast, on a Sharki, is dropped Inside the GRP keel, glued with polyester, and isn't held with bolts. It should never touch the water and isn't bonded.
The bonding point that Dieter searches can be the engine body, or the top of the rudder shaft in the aft cabin.
There aren't so many items to bond in a Sharki, but, for instance, the through hull and seacock for the WC must be bonded (a wire connecting the seacock to the engine body or to the rudder shaft).

Al the best.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:16 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:


 
Hi Dieter:

I know nothing about Sharki construction, but just wanted to verify that the copper bar that connects the keel bolt of a SM (iron keel encased in epoxy paint envelope and hopefully with minimal salt water exposure), is part of the bonding system, not part of the AC grounding system.  I would guess that the Sharki keel is connected to the bonding somewhere.  Olivier, what say you?

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM #335



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Sat. Phone

karkauai
 

Hi Gary,
I just received the same equipment as you have.  I have sent emails via the wifi access point, and made calls with the phone, not using the access point.  I haven't tried using the phone plugged into the access point by USB.
What are you trying to do with it plugged in rather than using the wifi hotspot for email or web weather?

I'll give it a try and get back to you tomorrow.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
En Route to Charleston SC


On May 10, 2015, at 9:45 PM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello,  I know this is off topic of our boats, but I am working with an Iridium 9575 (Extreme) and an Iridium Axcess Point router ((WiPipe) and they are giving me geek-fits tonight.

Wondering if anyone is using or has used this combo to put WiFi aboard and if I might spell out the challenge I'm looking at for further review.  The devices are current firmware, properly registered, fully charged and both work independently; I can make/take calls, send texts on the phone and I can access the Router via local WiFi for setup options.  The stumper is when the router is connected to the phone by USB; the phone registers "USB Cable Connected" for about 3 seconds, then says "USB Cable Disconnected" and there is no way to dial out to establish a data connection.  The weirdest part isthat the phone indicates it is now having its battery charged from the Axcess Point router.  I'm pretty sure that's not quite right :)  I have used multiple cables, and have started from 'scratch' in configuring the phone but the symptoms are unchanged. 
If anyone has run this path before, I'd certainly appreciate any coaching or troubleshooting ideas. 

Thanks,

Gary W.

S/V Adagio

SM 209




Iridium Sat. Phone

Gary Wells
 

Hello,  I know this is off topic of our boats, but I am working with an Iridium 9575 (Extreme) and an Iridium Axcess Point router ((WiPipe) and they are giving me geek-fits tonight.

Wondering if anyone is using or has used this combo to put WiFi aboard and if I might spell out the challenge I'm looking at for further review.  The devices are current firmware, properly registered, fully charged and both work independently; I can make/take calls, send texts on the phone and I can access the Router via local WiFi for setup options.  The stumper is when the router is connected to the phone by USB; the phone registers "USB Cable Connected" for about 3 seconds, then says "USB Cable Disconnected" and there is no way to dial out to establish a data connection.  The weirdest part isthat the phone indicates it is now having its battery charged from the Axcess Point router.  I'm pretty sure that's not quite right :)  I have used multiple cables, and have started from 'scratch' in configuring the phone but the symptoms are unchanged. 
If anyone has run this path before, I'd certainly appreciate any coaching or troubleshooting ideas. 

Thanks,

Gary W.

S/V Adagio

SM 209




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bow thruster leaking

Eric Freedman
 

Hello Mr. Romano,

 

I apologize for my late reply.

 

In the photos it is indeed the propellant that we installed on our boats. Can you tell me which parts you need, knowing that we cannot provide you that virtually seals right now.

 

Sincerely,

Sonja Kessler

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bow thruster leaking

 

 

Hi

I have written to Amel Med for same reason. This is the reply.

 

================================================================================================

 Bonjour Monsieur Romano,

 

Veuillez m’excuser pour ma réponse tardive.

 

Sur les photos il s’agit bien du propulseur que nous avons installé sur nos bateaux. Pouvez-vous me dire de quelles pièces détachées vous avez besoin, sachant que nous ne pouvons pratiquement  vous fournir que les joints d’étanchéité en ce moment.

 

Cordialement,

Sonja Kessler

================================================================================================

Rosario

Sharki no 183

Arma di Taggia (Italy)

 

 

Il Martedì 5 Maggio 2015 12:47, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

 

So last night I posted the pictures of the Sharki bow thruster. New pictures are up in the photo's file under Sharki Bow thruster.  If you zoom in you can see the hairline cracks in the white housing. I wrote to SAV@ Amel to see if they have a replacement unit and / or parts for this bow thruster.  27 years of service ain't too bad,  however it might be time to replace it. 

 

As a temporary fix, I'm thinking of epoxying the housing, sanding it smooth again and re-installing the seal.  I'd also like to add a zirk fitting and just filling it with grease.  Any thoughts?

 

Aras

Sharki #163

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sharki bow thruster leaking

Rosario Romano <rosario.romano50@...>
 

Hi
I have written to Amel Med for same reason. This is the reply.

================================================================================================
 Bonjour Monsieur Romano,
 
Veuillez m’excuser pour ma réponse tardive.
 
Sur les photos il s’agit bien du propulseur que nous avons installé sur nos bateaux. Pouvez-vous me dire de quelles pièces détachées vous avez besoin, sachant que nous ne pouvons pratiquement  vous fournir que les joints d’étanchéité en ce moment.
 
Cordialement,
Sonja Kessler
================================================================================================
Rosario
Sharki no 183
Arma di Taggia (Italy)



Il Martedì 5 Maggio 2015 12:47, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" ha scritto:


 
So last night I posted the pictures of the Sharki bow thruster. New pictures are up in the photo's file under Sharki Bow thruster.  If you zoom in you can see the hairline cracks in the white housing. I wrote to SAV@ Amel to see if they have a replacement unit and / or parts for this bow thruster.  27 years of service ain't too bad,  however it might be time to replace it. 

As a temporary fix, I'm thinking of epoxying the housing, sanding it smooth again and re-installing the seal.  I'd also like to add a zirk fitting and just filling it with grease.  Any thoughts?

Aras
Sharki #163



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Beaute Olivier
 

Good afternoon James,

bonding all the metallic items that are in touch with seawater helps fighting galvanic corrosion.
This concerns mainly the items under waterline, but also the fuel tank and freshwater pumps and ...etc...
Bonding the mast will not prevent local galvanic corrosion, like a screw fitted in aluminum, or an aluminum painted mast which gets blisters because stainless steel/bronze/chromium/aluminum are in touch, in a salty environment
Only removing salt of these masts will prevent galvanic corrosion: at every opportunity, you should remove the salt from your masts (and guardrail, and furlers).
The last Super maramu I've inspected was 14 years old, and her painted masts showed absolutely no blisters, especially in the bottom area where several kinds of metals are in touch. Again, the secret is: flush your masts to remove salt.

Bonding the masts could help removing static electricity (which enhances corrosion). The downside is: should an electric wire (positive or negative, from a worn out nav light wire) touch the mast, this would bring power to the bonding and make electrolytic corrosion.
Beware of the quality and wear of your electric wires, everywhere in the vessel.

Enjoy fair winds.

Olivier.



On Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:07 AM, "j.lochhead@... [amelyachtowners]"


 
Thanks Oliver & Bill,
 
 
Fantastic response but I think my question was a little missleading.  I am not so concerned with lightning. (well I am concerned but am off the belief that if it is going to get you a little wire is not going to help much)
 
What I am more worried about is corrosion.  My understanding of the bonding system is not just to be able to determine if there is a leak, but also to protect the important componets (mast, thru hull fittings etc) from corrosion by bonding them to the zinc annodes.  I might be wrong but is the bonding system not connected to the rudder annodes?
 
I am sure that the thru hulls should be bonded (it even looks like perhaps at one point mine may have been) I would also think that bonding the masts, handrails, headsail track etc would help prevent corrosion.  I have recently removed and refitted all the mast fittings and reapplied tef-gel. Even so there was some signs of corrosion starting on the mast. Also there is some corrosion on the headsail track where a stainless bolt passes though it. 
 
This may well be just a case of deteriation on a 30yr old boat, but wouldn't bonding these items help?
 
Thanks again,
 
James
Mahiti Maramu  #147