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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

yahoogroups@...
 

I have recently read of four or five transmission oil cooler problems. In getting prepared for our Atlantic Crossing, I decided to buy one of the Bowman DC60-XAA with 3367 rubber end caps from the Bowman distributor in Malta. It was 105 euro, delivered. Nice guy - Leonard +356 99499082. Email leobugeja"at"hotmail.com.

He said the biggest failure that that has seen from these coolers is the over-tightening of the hose clamps. He said to be careful because the metal is a copper-nickle and will bend easily if you over-tighten the clamp. He said that these routinely last 20 years.

Bill
BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Contact info for Stefi @ Emek Marine

Chris Flack
 

Hi Jean-Pierre 

Seyfi's email is tech@...


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From: "jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:00 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Contact info for Stefi @ Emek Marine

 

Hi Gang, 


For some reason, I've been unable to contact Riza @ Emek via phone or email.  Could someone give me the email or phone number of Stefi?  I had them but....


Kind regards,


Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007


Contact info for Stefi @ Emek Marine

jgermain@...
 

Hi Gang, 


For some reason, I've been unable to contact Riza @ Emek via phone or email.  Could someone give me the email or phone number of Stefi?  I had them but....


Kind regards,


Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007


Re: Electronic copies of Amel Mauals

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Thank you Bill.
Kind regards,
Trevor

Seafever


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Olivier,

William "Bill" Maffei bought Super Maramu 195. The delivery captain is Richard Pillar, a boat broker and previous owner of an Amel SM.

Bill is new to the Group and sometimes forgets to include his hull number in the postings he makes to this group.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

good morning William,

I'm very busy today but I will answer you with details tonight.
Could you remind me your hull number?

Have a good day.

Olivier


Electronic copies of Amel Mauals

yahoogroups@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Olivier Beaute
 

good morning William,

I'm very busy today but I will answer you with details tonight.
Could you remind me your hull number?

Have a good day.

Olivier



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:05 AM, "seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Bill,
     Go back and read the message from Olivier Beaute. There is no one world wide with the understanding, knowledge and experience of Olivier regarding Amel.
Those of us fortunate enough to have met him when he worked for Amel hold him in the highest esteem and regard.
His posting to you suggests  the hub and or, the plate where the bolts have sheared would most likely require removal.
I can't imagine how that could be done without releasing the forestay.
Oliver states that it is likely Bebe and Seafever have been modified since your boat was built and therefore are different.
It sounds from your postings, that your delivery skipper is very competent and likely correct in his assumption
 Should you have to remove the forestay, then you may consider refilling the foil with grease and carefully checking the Amel fitting at the top of the foil where it meets the mast.

Regards

Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico
For sale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How do you replace the prop shaft seals on a Amel 55

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Bob

Thank you very much for this information. Sounds like a great boat and well worth considering in the future if and when we can afford to upgrade. Sounds like you had a great trip too, well done.

We sailed our SM53 over from Canary Islands and kept a log every hour of speeds, conditions etc all the way round for 3 months. 9.2 - 9.7 kts was typically top speed for the 53 with short bursts of 10.5. We did 12.5 max but that was only on a few occasions when surfing down big Atlantic swells, and averaged 160 - 175 nm most days often having good winds where we could easily have smashed the 200nm pd mark, but then loosing all wind again. Best 24hrs distance was 197nm. Also we never pushed the boat at all, just easy sailing all the way with around plus 1000 hours motoring mostly between Galapagos & Marqueas due to so many windless days, and since this was a delivery trip, I had to get back to work, and was paying a delivery crew by the day.

All in all it sounds like the 55 is slightly faster down or across wind but I am sure that this changes significantly in any upwind cruising situation. This is what many of us would no doubt like to know about, ie typical reasonable speeds with cruising loads on board at what angles to wind, as well as it's stability and heel in high winds without having the benefit that the 53 has of 1000L water tanks in its keel. For example I would love to be able to sail Brisbane to Fiji or Tonga each year, but this is into the trade winds and anything less than 30 degrees becomes too slow for good cruising.

It would be good to keep in touch. Do you have any cruising plans ahead? We had been thinking of selling our 53 here in Australia and purchasing the exact same boat in the Med again (due to the pirate issues & the long trip around Africa) then cruising back around again from Europe, however, now have recently been leaning more towards sailing via South Africa and Brazil instead which would be interesting. These plans are still a year or two ahead though.

Best regards

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, SM#332


On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:55 PM, renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi guys, had the boat delivered to Auckland, as there was a direct freighter from Belgium. Sailed in four legs over 3 weeks to Melbourne. Auckland - Opua - lord Howe island - Sydney - Melbourne.


The boat sailed beautifully, only 3 days were what you might call interesting with 30 knots and 5 meter swells just after rounding the top of NZ. Top speed was 13.5 knots average about 7.5 knot for the trip due to light winds.

The displacement hull speed peaks at about 9-9.5 knots then you start to surf which is a bit scary thus the 13.5 knot top I recorded on my gps log.

The yard had apprehensions as my two crew had never sailed before and the handover was short due to the freighter delays. Had two days to learn the boat and 2 calm days before the serious winds and waves in the Tasman Sea. My previous boat was a 42' 17 ton Fero cement center cockpit ketch so there were no surprises on handling. Compared with that old sea cow, the amel 55 was a pure delight. I am still enamoured with her but can't compare her to the previous amel hulls

Bob Grey
Renaissance III





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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How do you replace the prop shaft seals on a Amel 55

Bob Grey
 

Hi guys, had the boat delivered to Auckland, as there was a direct freighter from Belgium. Sailed in four legs over 3 weeks to Melbourne. Auckland - Opua - lord Howe island - Sydney - Melbourne.

The boat sailed beautifully, only 3 days were what you might call interesting with 30 knots and 5 meter swells just after rounding the top of NZ. Top speed was 13.5 knots average about 7.5 knot for the trip due to light winds.

The displacement hull speed peaks at about 9-9.5 knots then you start to surf which is a bit scary thus the 13.5 knot top I recorded on my gps log.

The yard had apprehensions as my two crew had never sailed before and the handover was short due to the freighter delays. Had two days to learn the boat and 2 calm days before the serious winds and waves in the Tasman Sea. My previous boat was a 42' 17 ton Fero cement center cockpit ketch so there were no surprises on handling. Compared with that old sea cow, the amel 55 was a pure delight. I am still enamoured with her but can't compare her to the previous amel hulls

Bob Grey
Renaissance III



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Bill,
     Go back and read the message from Olivier Beaute. There is no one world wide with the understanding, knowledge and experience of Olivier regarding Amel.
Those of us fortunate enough to have met him when he worked for Amel hold him in the highest esteem and regard.
His posting to you suggests  the hub and or, the plate where the bolts have sheared would most likely require removal.
I can't imagine how that could be done without releasing the forestay.
Oliver states that it is likely Bebe and Seafever have been modified since your boat was built and therefore are different.
It sounds from your postings, that your delivery skipper is very competent and likely correct in his assumption
 Should you have to remove the forestay, then you may consider refilling the foil with grease and carefully checking the Amel fitting at the top of the foil where it meets the mast.

Regards

Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico
For sale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

william_maffei@...
 

Captain is thinking that the fore stay has to come down to fix the plate and bolts... After reading Trevor's message I didn't get that impression. Any thoughts?

Bill M
It's all Good
SM# 195


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

karkauai
 

Thanks for that, Bill.  You might want to post that with a different subject line to make it easier to find in the future.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On May 25, 2015, at 10:07 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:47 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey Trevor -


Thank you so much!!! I am actually not sure what is on board. The last time I saw the boat was in Turkey back in March. Regardless, I would love to have an electric copy of the manual. Please personal message me at william_maffei AT yahoo DOT com to work something out and I will give you my private email.

Many thanks, 

Bill 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:47 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey Trevor -


Thank you so much!!! I am actually not sure what is on board. The last time I saw the boat was in Turkey back in March. Regardless, I would love to have an electric copy of the manual. Please personal message me at william_maffei AT yahoo DOT com to work something out and I will give you my private email.

Many thanks, 

Bill 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

william_maffei@...
 

Hey Trevor -

Thank you so much!!! I am actually not sure what is on board. The last time I saw the boat was in Turkey back in March. Regardless, I would love to have an electric copy of the manual. Please personal message me at william_maffei AT yahoo DOT com to work something out and I will give you my private email.

Many thanks, 

Bill 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Bill,
     If you haven't already got an Amel Manual on board, it would really be a great help if you acquired a CD in English of same, which will describe all the operating procedures and ongoing maintenance requirements.

Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
SM425 Redline
Mexico
For Sale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Thank you Olivier.
Kind regards,
Trevor

Seafever


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

william_maffei@...
 

This is awesome information!!! Thanks so much. I will be in search for a machinist in Bermuda so when the boat comes we can get to work! 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello William, Bill and Trevor,

concerning the genoa furler, the captain is right. Under the pulley that bears the pin, an aluminum disc receives the pin. It is attached to the aluminum drive shaft thanks to 3 machine screws, ALLEN heads. These screws can either shear or come off. When sheared, they have to be replaced and put into new tapped holes made in the aluminum shaft. This means the pulley has to be removed from the stainless steel hub (which is sometimes tricky and may require an hydraulic pusher/puller) to give access to the shaft and disc.

Bill and Trevor, you don't see what the captain is meaning because you may have a later release of the genoa furler. Indeed, later on, AMEL redesigned the part (that receives the pin) and made it only one part with the drive aluminum shaft (no more screws).

William, in Bermuda, you will need to find a good mechanic workshop. They will manage to replace the faulty screws. This is not very complicate hardware.

Have a good day.



On Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Bill,
Tell your delivery captain that the Furler can be operated manually from the cockpit if he has a long enough line. It is crossed around the Furler and run through two blocks attached to the bottom of the second stanchions from the bow, then run to the small cockpit winches.  It takes a long line, but if he has it he can furl from the cockpit.

I would bet that the small piece of track is somewhere on the boat, along with one for the mainsail track.  Antal may be able to supply that piece of track when you order the new car.  If you have to order from Amel, send an email describing what you need, and call Maud personally.  If you don't call, your email may not be addressed for a week or two.

Best of luck,
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
In Deltaville, VA until I get back to the boat in early July, then heading North again for the Summer.


On May 24, 2015, at 11:11 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I will make these observations:
  1. When you get that 27mm Antal car for the mizzen, you should also get a small piece of 27mm track so that you can place the new car on the existing track without losing the new ball bearings. You might want to get this from Maud, as she will know what you are describing as I bought a small piece of 27mm track from her. When your boat was delivered new from Amel, it had this piece of track. I am curious as to how they lost the ball bearings. This usually happens when a track end piece comes off.
  2. Regarding the Genoa Furler, I looked at the drawing and I have no idea what he is describing. There are several drawings in the FILES section of the Owners Group. One is genoa furler Diagram.pdf which is 342KB...maybe small enough to send via sat phone to him...have him look at it and tell you what failed. Once you find out, then maybe you can get the part from Maud.
  3. The car on the mizzen boom is not a big deal, and is probably easy to find.
  4. The genoa furler was designed to have a manual backup system and from what they have described, they are following those procedures.
  5. I am not sure what he means when he says, Amel/Riza will want to know????
Bill
BeBe 387





On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 4:33 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi all -

Wondering if anyone could chime in on this message received from my delivery captain... I am headed to Bermuda to meet the boat in a little over a week.

"Bill we found that to elements have failed over the last five days sailing in a breeze. One, the head sail furler has an issue. The drive plate that attaches to the motor appears to have seared it's bolts and will not drive the roller. ( Amel/Riza will want know,) This is not a pin failure but the plate under it, the one it engages.). We've got a fix working for now using a line crossed to the mast winches. The other is the car on the mizzen boom. The ball bearing have come free and it binds. I've rigged a work around for it now. You do need a car it is an Antal car for 27 mm track. See if you can find another and bring it to Bermuda.
It would be helpful if you brought a detail drawing of the head sail fuller to Bermuda. We shall shall run as we are the rest of the way.  It a ppears strong and safe."

Thanks as always for the help. So far this forum has been nothing but beneficial to me as a new owner.

Thanks,

Bill







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

karkauai
 

Hi Bill,
Tell your delivery captain that the Furler can be operated manually from the cockpit if he has a long enough line. It is crossed around the Furler and run through two blocks attached to the bottom of the second stanchions from the bow, then run to the small cockpit winches.  It takes a long line, but if he has it he can furl from the cockpit.

I would bet that the small piece of track is somewhere on the boat, along with one for the mainsail track.  Antal may be able to supply that piece of track when you order the new car.  If you have to order from Amel, send an email describing what you need, and call Maud personally.  If you don't call, your email may not be addressed for a week or two.

Best of luck,
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
In Deltaville, VA until I get back to the boat in early July, then heading North again for the Summer.


On May 24, 2015, at 11:11 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I will make these observations:
  1. When you get that 27mm Antal car for the mizzen, you should also get a small piece of 27mm track so that you can place the new car on the existing track without losing the new ball bearings. You might want to get this from Maud, as she will know what you are describing as I bought a small piece of 27mm track from her. When your boat was delivered new from Amel, it had this piece of track. I am curious as to how they lost the ball bearings. This usually happens when a track end piece comes off.
  2. Regarding the Genoa Furler, I looked at the drawing and I have no idea what he is describing. There are several drawings in the FILES section of the Owners Group. One is genoa furler Diagram.pdf which is 342KB...maybe small enough to send via sat phone to him...have him look at it and tell you what failed. Once you find out, then maybe you can get the part from Maud.
  3. The car on the mizzen boom is not a big deal, and is probably easy to find.
  4. The genoa furler was designed to have a manual backup system and from what they have described, they are following those procedures.
  5. I am not sure what he means when he says, Amel/Riza will want to know????
Bill
BeBe 387





On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 4:33 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all -

Wondering if anyone could chime in on this message received from my delivery captain... I am headed to Bermuda to meet the boat in a little over a week.

"Bill we found that to elements have failed over the last five days sailing in a breeze. One, the head sail furler has an issue. The drive plate that attaches to the motor appears to have seared it's bolts and will not drive the roller. ( Amel/Riza will want know,) This is not a pin failure but the plate under it, the one it engages.). We've got a fix working for now using a line crossed to the mast winches. The other is the car on the mizzen boom. The ball bearing have come free and it binds. I've rigged a work around for it now. You do need a car it is an Antal car for 27 mm track. See if you can find another and bring it to Bermuda.
It would be helpful if you brought a detail drawing of the head sail fuller to Bermuda. We shall shall run as we are the rest of the way.  It a ppears strong and safe."

Thanks as always for the help. So far this forum has been nothing but beneficial to me as a new owner.

Thanks,

Bill





Re: message from delivery captain input

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Bill,
       When brand new your boat came with a long green and white line about 18mm in diameter. It's purpose was for manual back up if the electric genoa furling failed.
You put it around the grey colored pulley or "plate" at the bottom of the foil as described, then cross the line over and bring it back along each deck feeding it through a block attached to a stanchion on both port and starboard. That will give you the angle you require to direct the lead to your secondary cockpit winches from where you will have full manual control of furling or unrolling the genoa.
To disconnect the electrical drive you pull the stainless steel pin that is mounted on the grey pulley/"plate" and you the have manual control of he foil. It would be possible I think, for something to have sheared in the drive below within the gearbox but like Bill I can't really understand what he means when he refers to bolts shearing.?
The foil will operate manually because the pulley or plate as your skipper describes it is if I remember correctly clamped to the bottom of the foil.
Every boat when new came with two little pieces of track for the mizzen, they were taped together with masking tape and look so totally insignificant many people thought that they were something left over from production and threw them way.
Let us know how you progress.
Good luck.
Trevor 
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
For sale