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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter

Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
 

Hi John,

Is your TDS meter made by HM Digital? Mine is, and no matter where I put it
in the blue output line, all I get is an 'Err' message when the water maker
is producing water. It does give a reading when the flow is stopped, i.e.
Just after shutdown, and it works fine in a cup of water. It seems not able
to cope with a decent flow rate. I have tried just after the membrane output
and just after the control panel with the same result. I have waited 5-10
minutes as per Gary's suggestion, but get the same result.

I would appreciate any advice. Like you, I have never used chemicals on my
membranes. Only the occasional back flush with self made water when not in
use for a while.

Cheers

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader

-------Original Message-------

From: John and Anne on Bali Hai
Date: 06/08/06 09:17:08
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter

There seems to be no doubt that the dessalateur salinity detector is
non functioning.A cheap and easy solution is to fit a simple TDS meter
in the output line.Such a meter is sold by an American company
tdsmeter.com and also sold in the UK ro-man.com for £23.50.
It is very small and has two sensors. I did not use the "in" sensor
and put the "out" sensor in the blue output line which can be found
behind the wooden cover at the front ot the big cockpit locker. This
blue pipe is easily cut with a razor knife and the ends pushed in as
far as they will go into the sensor. The wires from the sensors are
connected to the meter with a plug which is quite hard to pull out.
Once removed the plug can be pushed through the small gap created by
removing the screws holding the panel in place in the galley. The
meter is held in place with velcro.
The actual meter is only 3x2x0.75 inches with a very small screen.It
is powered by two button cells and stays on for about 20-30 seconds
when the on button is pushed. It does not have an alarm. It is sold
either with fittings for a small or a larger tube which is needed for
my 160ltr ph watermaker.Make sure that the tubes are pushed fully in
and the do a freshwater flush of the membranes to make sure there are
no leaks before replacing the coverboard.
I used it yesterday for the first time and got an initial reading of
over 9,000 ppm which soon went down to about 360ppm which is better
than Maltese mains water.
Incidentally I have followed Olivier's advice and never sterilised or
pickled the membranes which are still delivering 160 ltr. ph. even
though the machine stands idle for about five months a year. We do
however always flush it with product water after use if it is going to
stand idle for more than a few days. We never take on shore water and
rely totally on this machine.
With the benefit of hind sight I should have put both sensors in the
product out line !

Best wishes to all, Anne and John, SM 319


Re: Water Maker

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Ian:
Mine is the 120 lph (now 160 lph with the new membranes) 220 VAC 50 hertz model. My
membranes had only 185 hours on them when they failed. As I previously mentioned I am
sure that their premature demise was related to prolonged periods of pickling with
pickling solution that was way too concentrated. This due to my ignorance about the bad
effects of pickling and poor instructions from Dessalator (i.e. no really useful owners
manual). As I noted I don't plan to ever pickle the system again. The boat is now on the
hard in Jolly Harbor Antiqua for the hurricane season and I have rigged a multiday timer
with a relay to fllush the system with fresh water for 1 minutes three times per week. The
original Amel pressure water pump flushes about 7 liters per minute through the system.

PS I had a one hour long discussion with Rod Boreham (UK rep for Dessalator) yesterday
about my findings related to the non-connected salinity sensor. He notes that his wiring
diagrams do not match the photo of the circuit board that I sent him but also that the
spare board he has in his parts supply matches my photo. I noted also that the wiring
installation diagram supplied by Amel for my system doesn't match the system installed in
my boat as well. He doesn't know for sure but wondered if perhaps the salinity sensor
hook up and/or the control board were custom made at Amel's request. I suspect we will
never know for sure why or at who's request the salinity sensors were installed but not
connected to anything, but at least we now know that it doesn' work and can take
necessary action.

Regards, Gary Amel SM 2000 Hull # 3335

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian & Judy Jenkins" <ianjudyjenkins@...>
wrote:

Hi Gary, I have just printed some of your very useful photos on changing
the membranes. Is yours a 60lph or 160 lph system? How many hours did you
get out of your membranes before you renewed them? Cheers, Ian Jenkins SM
302


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker TDS and RIB

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Dear John and Anne, Thanks for those tips. Judy, who is a great water drinker, has a prejudice against the water maker water even though I catch her out on a regular basis with blind tastings against whatever bottled water she has obliged me to lug back from some distant supermarket. As a result I have bought the portable TDS meter so that we can have further competitions on board between the Made water and the Bought water. I am sure the Made water will beat the Bought water on a regular basis but, after 35 years of marriage the innermost workings of Judy's mind are still a complete mystery to me so I am not holding my breath that I shall be able to change her preference.Still, we shall have fun doing all our comparisons. Watch this space! Ian.

From: "John and Anne on Bali Hai" <hollamby@compuserve.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker TDS and RIB
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:39:49 -0000

Dear Ian and Judy,
My watermaker has done about 255 hours. We use it for all our onboard
water. I bought the DM1 model TDS and now I wish I had the DM2 as it
never occurred to me that the screen on the DM1 would be so tiny that
it very hard to see the x10 reading flashing when the machine is
turned on.You will need the one to fit 3/8 ths inch tubing if you have
the 160 ltr ph model.
Incidentally if you are about to order the RIB ask them to fit an
extra handle either side in front of the thwart so peole sitting
forward have something to hold on to. They did this for me ,no charge.

Good luck, Anne and John SM319









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bowthruster

ivarmylde <mylde@...>
 

Thks to every who sent me replies about problems with the thruster. I
did manage to repair it - it was slightly out of position and I
asjusted the control box ? a bit down so that the metal arrows had
good contact with the pins over and under the control box.

Charlie , I will report about Trapani later.

Rgds Ivar Mylde
SM 53 Silfrania


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SuperMaramu vs Maramu vs Santorin.

Museum <museum@...>
 

Just to correct the information on the Maramu:



From the mid eighties this model was equipped with electrical furling genoa
and main as well as with a retractable bow thruster.



The difference between late Maramu’s and Santorin’s is therefore mainly the
Amel C-drive system, the winged ballast and some hull modifications – e.g.
it is somewhat lighter and will sail a bit faster in most situations.



Best Regards,

Lars, Denmark



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Fra: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af abulerhum
Sendt: 13. juni 2006 02:48
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SuperMaramu vs Maramu vs Santorin.



--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "uno.genesis" <uno.genesis@...> wrote:

I am planning to buy an Amel, and I wonder if some one could tell
me what are the main differences on Supermaramu, Maramu and Santorin
considering 45'and ketch rigging. The pros and cons.
Thaks in advance
I will sumarize quickly, so it will be very uncomplete.
Maramu and Santorin are of the same size (46 ft), Super maramu is 53ft.
There are many difference between Maramu and Santorin.
main differences are:
Maramu:
-line shaft
-3 manual rolling sails
-made until 89
-price range 100 / 150k Euro

Santorin
-Amel type transmission (C)
-Genoa and main electric furling. Artimon manual
-from 89 to 97 (140 made)
-improved hull
-winged ballast
-price range 200 / 250 k Euro
-Perkins 50HP same as maramu
-some sloop made. Not very popular.

Super maramu
-similar to Santorin but larger (53) and 1.5 time the space. (no sloop)
in addition:
-U shaped galley
-washer/dryer + dishwasher
-from 89 to 98
-Perkins 68 to 80HP
-price range 280 / 350 k Euro

Super Maramu 2000
-improvement to SM.
-99 to 2005 (almost 400 made)
-Perkins 80 to 100HP
-price range 350 to +++ k Euro

Condition and options (many available) will make the price.

They are all great boats. I only know happy owners. Amel is a very serious
company.
This is very uncomplete, but it should help for a start.
All depend what you are looking for, and how much you want to spend.

For info, I presently know an excellent Santorin for sale (French flag VAT
paid).

sincerely
Georges Pellegrini





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Re: SuperMaramu vs Maramu vs Santorin.

abulerhum <dji314@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "uno.genesis" <uno.genesis@...> wrote:

I am planning to buy an Amel, and I wonder if some one could tell
me what are the main differences on Supermaramu, Maramu and Santorin
considering 45'and ketch rigging. The pros and cons.
Thaks in advance

I will sumarize quickly, so it will be very uncomplete.
Maramu and Santorin are of the same size (46 ft), Super maramu is 53ft.
There are many difference between Maramu and Santorin.
main differences are:
Maramu:
-line shaft
-3 manual rolling sails
-made until 89
-price range 100 / 150k Euro

Santorin
-Amel type transmission (C)
-Genoa and main electric furling. Artimon manual
-from 89 to 97 (140 made)
-improved hull
-winged ballast
-price range 200 / 250 k Euro
-Perkins 50HP same as maramu
-some sloop made. Not very popular.

Super maramu
-similar to Santorin but larger (53) and 1.5 time the space. (no sloop)
in addition:
-U shaped galley
-washer/dryer + dishwasher
-from 89 to 98
-Perkins 68 to 80HP
-price range 280 / 350 k Euro

Super Maramu 2000
-improvement to SM.
-99 to 2005 (almost 400 made)
-Perkins 80 to 100HP
-price range 350 to +++ k Euro

Condition and options (many available) will make the price.

They are all great boats. I only know happy owners. Amel is a very serious company.
This is very uncomplete, but it should help for a start.
All depend what you are looking for, and how much you want to spend.

For info, I presently know an excellent Santorin for sale (French flag VAT paid).

sincerely
Georges Pellegrini


SuperMaramu vs Maramu vs Santorin.

uno.genesis <uno.genesis@...>
 

I am planning to buy an Amel, and I wonder if some one could tell
me what are the main differences on Supermaramu, Maramu and Santorin
considering 45'and ketch rigging. The pros and cons.
Thaks in advance


My Water Maker Alarm Control Panel & Blue Seas Multimeter

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hello everyone:

I just posted a picture in the watermaker folder showing the control panel I built for my EC
sensor with a 110 decibel sonalert, mute/arm switch with LED indicating power on and
alarm
condition. I currently have the EC alarm limit set at 500 microSiemens/cm. Any salinity
more than that will alarm. The alarm sounds at each start up for about 2-4 minutes
(depending on how long the system has been shut down), so I mute the alarm until salinity
is
below 500 and the alarm silences, then I place the switch in the up position (what I call the
arm position) so that any future alarms during production of water will instantly sound the
sonalert.

I really like the Blue Seas Multimeter. It was easy to install and very accurate. I installed it
on the incoming line so that if I have a concern about the power I can leave all ciruits off
while I verify that I have correct power attached. You can select hertz/watts/amps/
voltage. It is amazing how low the voltage is on some docks. The picture posted shows
only the Dessalator watermaker running at pressure and consuming 2560 watts of energy.

I can supply a schematic of my installation for anyone interested.

Gary

Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335


Watermaker TDS and RIB

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Dear Ian and Judy,
My watermaker has done about 255 hours. We use it for all our onboard
water. I bought the DM1 model TDS and now I wish I had the DM2 as it
never occurred to me that the screen on the DM1 would be so tiny that
it very hard to see the x10 reading flashing when the machine is
turned on.You will need the one to fit 3/8 ths inch tubing if you have
the 160 ltr ph model.
Incidentally if you are about to order the RIB ask them to fit an
extra handle either side in front of the thwart so peole sitting
forward have something to hold on to. They did this for me ,no charge.

Good luck, Anne and John SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Maker

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Gary, I have just printed some of your very useful photos on changing the membranes. Is yours a 60lph or 160 lph system? How many hours did you get out of your membranes before you renewed them? Cheers, Ian Jenkins SM 302


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Dear John and Anne, Thanks for another good tip.We are in Blighty for the summer so have promptly been online to ro-man.Their prices look good, tho I'm not sure of they sell the membranes we would like to carry as spares.
Incidentally, how many hours have you on your watermaker? Fair winds, Ian and Judy, SM 302.

From: "John and Anne on Bali Hai" <hollamby@compuserve.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:10:18 -0000

There seems to be no doubt that the dessalateur salinity detector is
non functioning.A cheap and easy solution is to fit a simple TDS meter
in the output line.Such a meter is sold by an American company
tdsmeter.com and also sold in the UK ro-man.com for 23.50.
It is very small and has two sensors. I did not use the "in" sensor
and put the "out" sensor in the blue output line which can be found
behind the wooden cover at the front ot the big cockpit locker. This
blue pipe is easily cut with a razor knife and the ends pushed in as
far as they will go into the sensor. The wires from the sensors are
connected to the meter with a plug which is quite hard to pull out.
Once removed the plug can be pushed through the small gap created by
removing the screws holding the panel in place in the galley. The
meter is held in place with velcro.
The actual meter is only 3x2x0.75 inches with a very small screen.It
is powered by two button cells and stays on for about 20-30 seconds
when the on button is pushed. It does not have an alarm. It is sold
either with fittings for a small or a larger tube which is needed for
my 160ltr ph watermaker.Make sure that the tubes are pushed fully in
and the do a freshwater flush of the membranes to make sure there are
no leaks before replacing the coverboard.
I used it yesterday for the first time and got an initial reading of
over 9,000 ppm which soon went down to about 360ppm which is better
than Maltese mains water.
Incidentally I have followed Olivier's advice and never sterilised or
pickled the membranes which are still delivering 160 ltr. ph. even
though the machine stands idle for about five months a year. We do
however always flush it with product water after use if it is going to
stand idle for more than a few days. We never take on shore water and
rely totally on this machine.
With the benefit of hind sight I should have put both sensors in the
product out line !

Best wishes to all, Anne and John, SM 319









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ais "RADAR"

Horst Pause <horst@...>
 

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Sent: 12 June 2006 03:07
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com; tartansailing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ais "RADAR"



Hi,

I just finished installing this AIS "radar" unit on my boat and it works
great.

It only took 2 hours to install. I believe it is a very worthwhile
investment

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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ais "RADAR"

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I just finished installing this AIS "radar" unit on my boat and it works
great.

It only took 2 hours to install. I believe it is a very worthwhile
investment

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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Water Maker Power Draw & Motor Fire

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Dear Yves:

Thank you for being the first to bring to our attention the problems associated with the
salinity sensor on the Dessalator water maker.

Your post about the motor fire doesn't specify if this was the high pressure pump motor or
the low pressure pump motor that burned. Can you please clarify? Was there any wire
charring?

As you can see from my previous post, based on my measurements last week, a 20 amp
circuit breaker is adequate for the entire system to operate at pressure. Additionally each
pump is individually protected by a circuit breaker. The high pressure pump has a 25 amp
circuit breaker and the low pressure pump has a 5 amp circuit breaker (see photo section
for water maker electrical box component labels).

It doesn't quite make sense to have a total system CB of 20 amps and an individual motor
CB of 25 amps.

Regards, Gary Silver
s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000
Hull 3 335

in the
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

I think it is important to advise you, who have got a DESSALATOR watermaker, that I
nearly had fire in by boat.
The 220 V. motor, having no electrical protection, burned.
Somebody said, on this forum, that the line circuit breaker was not big enough and was
contemplating to replace it by a bigger one; I would suggest not to do that. If a breaker
trips it is probably because the motor is faulty and takes too much power when starting or
blocking. It is a good thing that it tripped; mine didn't. Anyway the breaker in the
switchboard is there to protect the line / cable and not the motor which should have, like
all other appliances (charger, air conditioning, fans…), a specific protection adapted to its
way of working. DESSALATOR water makers have none.
Be careful !!

Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
`'BLUE MARINE''
SM N° 311





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Water Maker Salinity Sensor is Not Hooked up to Anything

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I have spent more than 40 hours drawing complete schematics and logic diagrams for the
Dessalator water maker Control Board on my Amel SM 2000 , Hull # 335. I have verified
that the salinity sensor is wired to the circuit board on pin 11 and pin 12 of plug # 2 (see
the photo section for a component labeled photo of this board).

I HAVE VERIFIED THAT PIN 11 OF THIS BOARD IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING. PIN 12
GOES TO GROUND BUT THE SALINITY SENSOR THUS CONNECTED IS AN INCOMPLETE
CIRCUIT AND IS NOT FUNCTIONAL. FURTHERMORE, AS CURRENTLY CONFIGURED I CAN
NOT DETERMINE ANY WAY TO MAKE THE SALINITY SENSOR SYSTEM FUNCTIONAL. I CAN
ONLY CONCLUDE THAT THE SALINITY SENSOR ON MY WATERMAKER IS A SHAM
INSTALLATION.

I URGE EVERY AMEL OWNER TO INSPECT THEIR DESSALATOR WATERMAKER CIRCUIT
BOARD. IF YOUR CIRCUIT BOARD IS THE SAME ONE AS DEPICTED IN THE PHOTO SECTION
AND THE SALINITY SENSOR IS WIRED TO PLUG 2, PINS 11 AND 12 THEN YOU CAN BE
ASSURED THAT THE SALINITY SENSOR IS NOT FUNCTIONAL IN ANY WAY.

Another way to determine if your salinity sensor is functional is to see if your system
changes to "good quality" and green LED light at the 55 second to 65 second mark. If it
does then the salinity sensor is NOT functional. The timing function of the control board
determines the start up sequence and does function for high pressure (overpressure) shut
down of the system. No other sensing inputs to the board are functional. It takes about 3
to 4 minutes for the TDS creep to come down to good quality water after system start up.
This brief period of bad water production is of no consequence when compared to the
major volume of water production that follows.

I urge all owners to install a continuous EC (electrical conductivity) monitor with alarm
funciton on the product water line of their water maker. If you do this you will soon find
that the high EC alarm will sound for the first 3 - 4 minutes after startup I have installed a
mute switch in the alarm relay line so that I can monitor the start up sequence with the the
alarm muted and when the EC drops to 450 microSiemens/cm (about 500 ppm TDS) I can
"arm" the alarm by throwing the switch to allow the alarm to sound the second EC goes
over 500 mSiemens/cm.

Dessalator and the Dessalator UK rep have intimated that Amel made this type of
installation. But since the wiring inside the electrical box was undoubtedly made by
Dessalator and not Amel, and Amel has represented all along that the salinity sensor
system was functional, I believe this sham installation was unknown to Amel. The
integrity with which Amel has always conducted itself leads me to believe that this fraud
was NOT perpetrated by Amel. I don't fault Rod Boreham, the UK representative for
Dessalator, as he was just passing along what Dessalator was telling him.

You now know the truth about the salinity sensor on our Dessalator water maker.

Your opposing opinions are welcome. I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong
on this issue.

Regards, Gary Silver s/v Liahona (currently on the hard in Jolly Harbor Antiqua)
Hull #335


Bowthruster

ivarmylde <mylde@...>
 

Hi,
Can anybody help me. I hve had mooring rope in the thruster due too
short mooring rope. Now cannot get bowthruster fully up ca 1,5 cm
left. Not sure if get it fully down, but when I dive can move the
propeller freely, but when I push button for right and left nothing
happens.
When I push down there is no beep sound - when take it up there is
sound.
I take it thruster is slightly out of normal position
Is there a circut breaker for the propeller ? since the propeller dont
work or is it because the thruster is slightly out of position.
Now cruising northern Sicily, Italy. I can go to Trapani in a couple
of days.
If anybody hve a good solution pls cpy my satelit mail:
silfrania@skyfile.com
Thks v.m.
Rgds Ivar Mylde
53 Silfrania


Water Maker Power Draw

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

9 June 2006

REGARDING POWER DRAW OF DESSALATOR 160 l/hr WATER MAKER

I have verified that the power consumptions on my Dessalator Water Maker on my hull #
335 Amel SM 2000 are as follows:

1. Control Circuity on with only the Low Pressure Pump Running = 2 amps = 430 watts

2. Control Circuity on plus Low Pressure Pump Running and High Pressure Pump running
under no load (i.e. the pressure not dialed up) = 13.5 amps = 1390 watts

3. Same as #2 above but running at operating pressure making 160 l/hr = 14.4 amps =
2550 watts

My 20 amp circuit breaker would randomly trip while running with these loads. I ordered
a new 20 amp breaker and a 25 amp breaker from Amel, (33 Euro and 48 Euro
respectively). I installed the 20 amp breaker and haven't had any trips in about 15 hours
of operation. It appears to me that a properly working 20 amp breaker sholuld be
adequate for this installation.

If your water maker is tripping its 20 amp breaker I recommend using a clamp amp meter
to measure the current draw and if it is close to the values listed above then I suspect a
"weak" circuit breaker.

Regards. Gary Silver


Re: Motor on fuler for the Main Sail

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Linda DeSalvo <liebling207@...> wrote:
James:
The shaft on the main sail furling motor on our SM 2000 fractured in such a way that the
shaft remained partially engaged and would work while making a lot of noise. I originally
thought that the gear box was contaminated and the gears were making the noise but in
the process of disassembly we found the fractured shaft of the motor. This could be the
cause of the noise you are hearing. I would lower the motor-gear box assembly and see if
you can identify the source.

Amel supplied a new motor $US 606.00 in Nov 2004. It took about 3 hours of labor for
repaiirs.


Regards, Gary Silver


The motor on furler on the main sail is making a lot of noise. Is there anyone out there
that has had this problem and what did you do about it.
Thanks James DeSalvo Liebling207

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watermaker,TDS meter

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

There seems to be no doubt that the dessalateur salinity detector is
non functioning.A cheap and easy solution is to fit a simple TDS meter
in the output line.Such a meter is sold by an American company
tdsmeter.com and also sold in the UK ro-man.com for £23.50.
It is very small and has two sensors. I did not use the "in" sensor
and put the "out" sensor in the blue output line which can be found
behind the wooden cover at the front ot the big cockpit locker. This
blue pipe is easily cut with a razor knife and the ends pushed in as
far as they will go into the sensor. The wires from the sensors are
connected to the meter with a plug which is quite hard to pull out.
Once removed the plug can be pushed through the small gap created by
removing the screws holding the panel in place in the galley. The
meter is held in place with velcro.
The actual meter is only 3x2x0.75 inches with a very small screen.It
is powered by two button cells and stays on for about 20-30 seconds
when the on button is pushed. It does not have an alarm. It is sold
either with fittings for a small or a larger tube which is needed for
my 160ltr ph watermaker.Make sure that the tubes are pushed fully in
and the do a freshwater flush of the membranes to make sure there are
no leaks before replacing the coverboard.
I used it yesterday for the first time and got an initial reading of
over 9,000 ppm which soon went down to about 360ppm which is better
than Maltese mains water.
Incidentally I have followed Olivier's advice and never sterilised or
pickled the membranes which are still delivering 160 ltr. ph. even
though the machine stands idle for about five months a year. We do
however always flush it with product water after use if it is going to
stand idle for more than a few days. We never take on shore water and
rely totally on this machine.
With the benefit of hind sight I should have put both sensors in the
product out line !

Best wishes to all, Anne and John, SM 319


Moorings at the Huntington Yacht Club

eric freedman
 

Hi All,
I was away last week and heard that someone tried to get a mooring at The
Huntington yacht club.
I do not know if they were OCC, Tartan Group members, Amel group members, or
just cruising acquaintances.
They were of the impression that moorings and slips were free at they knew
me. Please make a note that the moorings at the Huntington Yacht Club are
$40 per night and a slip is $3- a foot per night.
Fair winds,
Eric Freedman
Port officer Huntington Long Island New York.

-----Original Message-----
From: DickGuckel [mailto:captain.dick@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:05 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: OCC June E-mail List Newsletter

JUNE 2006 MONTHLY ELECTRONIC MAIL NEWSLETTER
Next Electronic Newsletter: July 1, 2006
Next full list: July 1, 2006 (quarterly)

OCC WEB SITE:
At the end of this update, along with the names, etc. of OCC
Officer contacts, I have included how to access our OCC web site.

If you experience problems receiving this update please let me
know and I will correct it.

Have you changed your address or phone/fax/e-mail numbers?
Bought a new boat? Please also inform the Club Secretary, Richard
Anderton (secretary@oceancruisingclub.org) or
38 Acacia Road, Hampton, Middlesex TW12 3DS, UK. Also, please be
aware that the non-email information contained in this update may
not be as current as the official list maintained by Richard
Anderton our Secretary.

If the full list attachment is too much for you please let me
know.
Optionally, I can send:
- the full list in Zipped format as an attachment
- only the updates with the full list sent January or
January and July.
- only the updates
- a list containing only names and e-mail addresses
- a reasonable combination of the above
- nothing at all

NB For those of you that have e-mail filter software set up,
all of the e-mails I send to you will contain "OCC" at the
beginning of the subject line. Actually, due to the plethora of
junk mail we all are receiving and the consequential use of spam
filters, it would be prudent of all members to begin the subject
line of all OCC e-mail messages to each other with "OCC"

Fair winds,
Dick Guckel
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QUESTIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS:

The following is a significant change from this item listed last
month (May):

TOTAL PRODUCT RECALL - PAINS WESSEX IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE
(5/2006)
PAINS WESSEX ANNOUNCES TOTAL RECALL OF ALL white collision
warning (MK7) hand flares, Item No. 52651

Following investigations carried out after an incident in which a
member of the public was injured, Pains Wessex has announced a
total recall of all its Pains Wessex White Collision Warning
(MK7) Hand Flares Item No 52651.

No Red (MK7) Hand Flares nor any other Pains Wessex products are
being recalled. The recall does not affect Pains Wessex Australia
Aurora Hand Flares.

Pains Wessex has identified that there may be a risk that some of
these white flares will not fire as intended. All white flares
are therefore being recalled as a safety precaution.
Additionally, this total recall will allow us to bring these
products into our continuing investigation.

The Pains Wessex White Collision Warning (MK 7) Hand Flare Item
No 52651 is sold on its own and is also contained as a part of
the Collision Warn-Off Kit and the ORC RORC Distress Kit.

Customers with in-date Pains Wessex White Collision Warning (MK7)
Hand Flares Item No 52651 are requested not to use the flare, and
to return it immediately to the place of purchase where the
purchase price will be refunded. If unable to return the flare to
the place of purchase, customers may take the flare to their
nearest chandler.

Customers with out-of-date Pains Wessex White Collision Warning
(MK7) Hand Flares Item No 52651 should contact Pains Wessex on
+44(0)2392 623965.

To assist its customers with this recall, Pains Wessex has set up
a help line during office hours on +44(0)2392 623962 or the
company can be contacted via email at recall@pwss.com.

For more press information please contact ADPR Ltd, Tel +44 (0)
1935 826451, Mob +44 (0) 797 1019377 or email
alice@adpr.co.uk----
Pains Wessex:
http://www.mcmurdo.co.uk/?Menu=79&Page=/Contents/UrgentMessages.asp&Cat=133
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USA(SE) WELCOMES SPRING ON THE CHESAPEAKE - 4-7 JUNE
Jim and Pepper McHutchison have put together a great OCC SPRING
CRUISE for all members who will be in the Chesapeake
June 4 - 7. We will assemble on Sunday, June 4th, in Dun Cove on
Harris Creek just north of Knapp's Narrows (38deg. 44.8N,
76deg.21.1W). Launches will transport us to a welcoming dinner at
Harrison's, Tilghman Island ($30/person). Monday evening we'll
rendezvous on the Wye River for a raft-up. Tuesday we visit
Baltimore's Inner Harbor (39deg.17N, 76deg.36.7W) anchoring near
square-rigger U.S.S. Constellation or mooring in Henderson's
marina at Fells Point and having dinner ashore. Tours of Fort
McHenry of "Star-Spangled Banner" fame will be available. The
finale will be Wednesday afternoon at Gibson Island Yacht
Squadron's clubhouse for a barbecue - a really nice way to
celebrate spring sailing. Contact Jim and Pepper at 410 745 6223
or at Jemchutch@aol.com to let them know you're coming, please.

The traditional pre-Boat Show rendezvous at Mear's Marina, Back
Creek, Annapolis will be on Wednesday, October 4th and John
Koedel is once again hosting the Piankatank Fall Rendezvous at
Fishing Bay Yacht Club on Jackson Creek
(37deg.32.622N, 76deg.19.281W) on October 13-15, 2006. Mark your
calendars, all you cruisers from far and near--you'll find
Chesapeake Bay a delightful place to stretch the sailing
season! - Fred Hallett, R/C USA(SE)
f.hallett1@toad.net

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REGALIA IN THE UNITED STATES (5/2006)
After working with a website designer, OCC regalia will be easier
to purchase on-line. Located at www.IM-Embroidery.com, the new
"shopping cart" makes it possible to select items and pay by
credit card or cash using PayPal. Orders are sent directly to
Gary and Greta, are processed within 48 hours or less, and,
depending on the item and personalization, are shipped within 24
hours of order completion.

Persons not using credit card or PayPal can still place an order
on-line; however, payment in the form of a check or a money order
should be mailed to IM Embroidery, P.O. Box 3214, Norfolk,
Virginia 23514 at the time of the order. Shipments are not made
until payment is received.

Gary and Greta offer a wide range of regalia items, including the
much sought after burgee. These durable nylon burgees are
reinforced at the tip of the fly making them less susceptible to
wind damage. They currently offer 18 and 24 inch burgees, an 18
inch house flag and the Port Officer flag. They also can
customize clothing orders well beyond the items pictured on the
website.

If you have any questions, either give them a call at
+1-757-627-0031 or
email at greta.gustavson@verizon.net

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HALLOWEEN RALLY AT BEAUFORT, NORTH CAROLINA (6/2006)
The second annual Halloween Rally at Beaufort, NC, will take
place on October 28-29, 2006. We will meet on the Beaufort
waterfront on the afternoon of Saturday the 28th, have some
cocktails and then dinner. On Sunday the 29th we will take a
day cruise to Cape Lookout Bight and back, weather permitting.
Questions, contact Jon Roop Port Officer, Beaufort, NC USA
jonroop@earthlink.net or +1-252-725-0209

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TOBY BAKER (Rear Commodore, USA Northeast) (04/2006)
Rear Commodore USA (NE) Toby Baker announces the details of the
Maine Rally which will be held at Southwest Harbor, Maine on July
21, 2006 at the home of Roving Rear Commodores Nancy & George
Marvin at 10 Seascape Way. The venue includes wine, beer, soft
drinks, dinner and dessert, beginning at 1700 hours. Cost is $25
per person, $10 for children under 14. For those arriving by boat
transportation will be provided for the approximately 2 mi to
their house. Pick-up will be at the Manset Town Dock and will
commence at 1630 and those who will require transportation should
so indicate with their reservation. Despite what guide books may
indicate, anchoring is permitted in Southwest Harbor but do not
anchor in the fairway leading to the head of the harbor. Moorings
are available from the Harbormaster (VHF 16/09) or Hinckley's
(call Hinckley Dock on VHF 10) and dockage is available from
Dysart's Great Harbor Marina (207-244-0117). For those arriving
by car, directions will be provided upon request. Additionally,
George & Nancy are requesting volunteers arriving by car to help
shuttle the boat people to and from the party. Reservations are
requested by July 15 and may be made along with additional
inquiries to Nancy & George, 443-994-0669(anytime) or
207-244-3894(after 10 July) or aa3zo@winlink.org, and Peter
McCrea, 207-354-2314 or panacea35@gmail.com.

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THE OCC WEB SITE HAS BEEN UPGRADED- CREATE YOUR OWN ACCOUNT IF
YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO (USER NAME & PASSWORD) TO UPDATE
YOUR DETAILS ON LINE. (5/2006)

Congratulations to the 222 Members (at the time of writing this)
who have succeeded in creating their own account on The OCC Web
Site, www.oceancruisingclub.org . If you have not yet done so,
please have a go at this so that you may update your own contact
details, yacht, experience and sailing plans on the web. Soon,
you will be able to pay your subscription by secure payment on
line. Later this year we will provide a page on the web for every
member to publish extracts from their log. BUT TO DO ALL THIS YOU
NEED YOUR OWN USER NAME AND PASSWORD.

TO CREATE YOUR ACCOUNT
Please open www.oceancruisingclub.org. and click on 'No Account
Yet, Create One' at the very bottom left hand side of the Home
Page, under Login Form. Select a User Name (no spaces permitted
in this) and enter your e-mail address. If you can not find "No
Account Yet .", Log out of the Web Site (your computer has
probably logged you in automatically as flying and fish) and try
again. You must use an e-mail address already known to the OCC
and which is able to receive an activation message from the OCC.
Choose a Password, and as a security check, enter the name of the
yacht in which you qualified for the OCC. You will then receive
an automatic e-mail to which you must respond to activate your
account.

The message will contain a web address such as
http://www.oceancruisingclub.org/index.php?option=com_registration&task=acti
vate&activation=XXXXXXX.
Either click on this or copy it and paste it into the web address
window and press <return>. This will activate your account.

TO UPDATE YOUR DETAILS ON THE OCC DATABASE
You can then log in with your own user name and password. Click
on "My Details" to see, and update if necessary, your record on
the Club database. Please use this opportunity to complete and
amend the details on the "My Details Form" to bring your Club
Record up to date, including your "sailing experience" and "plans
aboard" for 2006.

OLD LOG IN PROCESS STILL AVAILABLE FOR "READ ONLY" ACCESS
For a short transitional period you may still log in using
username <flying>, password <fish>, or username <Ocean2>,
password <Blackjack> to allow members who have not set up their
own account to read information but not to change personal
records or make payments. Please do not change the "My Details"
username or password for <flying> or <Ocean2> as you may deny
access to other members! Soon, you will not be able to get in to
the OCC Web site at all unless you use your own username and
password.

HELP!
If you are not sure what e-mail address the Club holds for you,
see "Members Details" on the Web Site logging in as username
<flying> password < fish> which will still give read only access
to the e-mail addresses known to the OCC.

If you have problems setting up your account, please e-mail the
secretary secretary@oceancruisingclub.org telling him your
preferred username and a password. He will set up your account
and respond by e-mail when he has done so. You may change
username and password when by clicking on "My Details" when you
next log in.
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CHRIS BRIDGE: Cruising in Wales (05/2006)
I'm looking for information about cruising in Wales, especially
charts for and berthing around the Isle of Anglesey. I hope to
visit in August. Tradition is still in Kinvara in Ireland.
contact svtradition@yahoo.com or +353 86 888 0491

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S/v OCEAN FLIGHT FOR SALE
(6/2006)
Dix 43' Built 1995 with extensive interior re-modeling 1998
BUILT OF STEEL, THIS IS AN OCEAN GOING VESSEL OF STYLE AND
CHARACTER, PRESENTED WITH AN EXTENSIVE INVENTORY AND IN EXCELLENT
CONDITION, READY FOR ANY OCEAN PASSAGE.

This design was commissioned by a circum-navigator passing
through Cape Town, to be his boat for the next time round. She
was required to be a go anywhere yacht of modern concept, with
the pace to complete long offshore passages in a reasonable time.
Radius chine hull shape gives good looks, hydrodynamic efficiency
and enhanced resale value.
Ocean Flight was originally built for the owner of her building
yard; the detailing and finish are extraordinary. She is
beautifully built of the highest quality materials, with no
expense spared, throughout her build, refit or maintenance
schedule.
Her second (present) owner carried out extensive remodeling of
the interior and upgrades to systems, sails and instrumentation
in 1998 prior to leaving on an Atlantic circuit. She is
completely self-sufficient from Aries wind vane, solar panels to
a water maker.
Ocean Flight returned to Cape Town in mid 2005; at which time she
benefited from new standing rigging and a complete re-spray. Once
again she is in excellent condition and ready to hit the high
seas again.

Price: ZAR2 000 000.00

Full specifications and a full inventory are readily available
from the owner as under:-

Colleen Douglass
E-mail: ody@iafrica.com
www.yachtsclub.com/1433

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JON ROOP "SALT" for sale (03/2006)
Port Officer and Marine Surveyor Jon Roop offers his boat For
Sale:
"SALT" 47' Cutter-rigged ketch designed by Craig Walters and
completed in 1991 by a custom builder in North Carolina, USA.
Epoxy cold-molded hull built of double-diagonal fir laminates
over 1" Duracore strips inside and out. The masts are carbon
fiber/E-glass composite. Drop-keel design draws 2' 6" retracted
and 8' down; the boat can explore the shallows and is a proven
offshore passagemaker. Power is a Westerbeke (Perkins) 4-108;
spares are included. Presently just finished a substantial
re-fit; SALT can be ready to go cruising with routine
preparations. This is a solid, powerful and attractive craft.
Asking $139,000 USD. Contact Jon Roop at +1-252-725-0209 or
jonroop@earthlink.net

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DICK GUCKEL:
FOR SALE: VANCOUVER 32 (1986) cutter-rigged "Charles Ogalin"
Take advantage of the weak US dollar.
Well equipped for extensive cruising. One owner, Dick Guckel.
Lloyd's Hull Release Certificate (never any blisters), AwlGripped
1999 (Flag Blue), Teak decks, Profurl furling, mast steps, Lewmar
ST winches, heavy ground tackle w/ Lofrans electric windlass,
Raytheon radar, Autohelm, B&G instruments, cabin heater, propane
cooker with oven, Adler/Barbour refrigerator, many more options.
Price reduced: US$79,000
I can be contacted any time for full list of options and photo
at: Home: +1-817-488-2005 Mobile: +1-682-553-8226 or
captain.dick@verizon.net

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DAVID BLACKBURN AND JULIA ASPIN: (6/2005)
FOR SALE "WHANAKE"
42'x 12'6"x7'6" Wood Epoxy Bermudian Cutter designed
by Chris Robertson and beautifully built in Auckland NZ in 1972
of Kauri Pine and Teak.
Much loved she has spent most of her life in OCC ownership
and has sailed over 109,000 miles, always taking great care
of her crew. She is in excellent condition, her woodwork is
superb and she is fully set up for ocean cruising with all
modern conveniences. Gowen Ocean provided new sails in 2005,
so she's ready to sail away anywhere.
Presently lying Costa Brava, owners willing to deliver.
See website www.whanake.com for full information.
Realistically priced at GBP 64,950 (reduced)
Contact David Blackburn / Julia Aspin
Tel: + 34 972 530285 e-mail: whanake_2000@yahoo.com

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SUMMER NEW ENGLAND OCC NET (6/2006)
Roving Rear Commodores Nancy & George Marvin announce the
re-activation of the summer NE OCC net. The net will commence on
01 July 2006 and meet daily on 0730 EDT on 4045mhz USB. This is
an
informal net for use by all OCC members to communicate and keep
in touch. When aboard TRUMPETER, George & Nancy will introduce
the net, but if they are not available the net will still be
available for OCC contacts.
AA3ZO@Winlink.org

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ADDITIONS:

Dunn, Jamie jd6710@bris.ac.uk
Gebow, Debby debby2342@verizon.net
Rogers, Paul pkr@midcoast.com
Williams, Angie angieswill@aol.com
Williams, Michael mikejhwill@aol.com

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CHANGES/DELETIONS (deleted if invalid e-mail address):

Barker, Paddy rgb@rgb-group.co.uk (changed)
Bohlen, Frank bohlen@uconn.edu (changed)
Callum, Roy & Martha rcallumfree@yahoo.com (changed)
Davis, Charles charlesdavis@aapt.net.au (changed)
French, Peter phfrench@hotmail.com (changed)
Hunter, Teddy stirrath@yahoo.co.uk (changed)
Irwin, Richard roirwin@tiscali.co.uk (changed)
Tarbell, Charlie charlestarbell@verizon.net (changed)

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ADDITIONAL DOCKAGE:

AL BOERSMA:
United States, East Coast, Chesapeake Bay. A small cove off the
main branch of the Wye (west) River. Lat: 38-54.77N
Long: 76-10.35W. Telephone: +1-410-827-4817. Water and
electricity (30 amp) available. I can accommodate one boat at my
dock with a draft not to exceed 4 1/2 ft. Call for directions.
For boats with greater draft there are protected anchorages
near-by.
bramare@verizon.net

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To access the list of available OCC moorings/dockage:
www.oceancruisingclub.org
login
Select: "Cruising Information"
Select: "Information about the CIS and Dockage"
Select: "Dockage"

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ADDITIONAL MEMBER INTERNET WEB SITES:
(none this month)

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Commodore: Martin Thomas
commodore@oceancruisingclub.org
Club Secretary: Richard Anderton
secretary@oceancruisingclub.org
Newsletter Editor: Colin Jarman
newsletter@oceancruisingclub.org
Flying Fish: Anne Hammick
flying.fish@oceancruisingclub.org
Flying Fish Advertising: Mark Holbrook serini2@hotmail.com
Cruising Information Service: cis@oceancruisingclub.org
Port Officer List: Dick Emery
portofficers@oceancruisingclub.org
Regalia:
Ocean World at www.oceanworld.co.uk (select and click on "club
logos" then "yacht club logos" and scroll down to "OCC".

U.S.A. Gary Naigle and Greta Gustavson. Please contact Greta
Gustavson, 415 W. York Street, Norfolk, VA 23510.
Place an order at: www.IM-Embroidery.com
If you have any questions, either give them a call at
+1-757-627-0031 or
email at greta.gustavson@verizon.net

OCC Webmaster:
webmaster@oceancruisingclub.org
OCC Web site address: www.oceancruisingclub.org
Username: flying Password: fish (all lower case)

TO ACCESS THE LIST OF AVAILABLE OCC MOORINGS/DOCKAGE:
www.oceancruisingclub.org, login,
click on "Cruising Information"
Click on "Information about the CIS, Dockage and
World-wide Information"
Click on Dockage.

N.B.
The OCC Members Handbook states the following and it applies to
this e-mail list. "The Members Handbook is copyrighted and is
published for the personal use and information of members only.
It may not be used for any commercial purpose whatsoever, even by
members."
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