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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inverter Grounding

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Chris

 

I think it depends what you mean by “grounded” – my understanding of these things is that with an inverter, like a generator and the boat side of an isolation transformer that one of the AC 230v outputs (nominated as neutral) provides the grounding or earth point for your AC system i.e. the  “common return path for electric current”.

 

So when you say the inverter do you mean the casing or the AC output earth as the latter is already the reference ground in the system?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inverter Grounding

 

 

Good Afternoon All,

Would someone be able to explain the implications and possible dangers of not having your inverter grounded?

This goes back to a question I was asking about inverters a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Currently at Gocek


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inverter Grounding

karkauai
 

I'm no expert either, but I believe that, on some Inverter's at least, you can separate the 220AC and 24DC grounds.  If so, ground the 220 to the boat's 220 ground, and the 24DC to the battery negative.
Olivier?
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Currently Newport RI


On Aug 29, 2015, at 5:59 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Chris,

I am not an electrician by any means, but let me tell you what I think.

The "earth wire" is not needed to operate the inverter, nor is it needed to operate any 230VAC device that I am aware of. Look at other 230VAC devices you have. Some have the third prong and some do not.

So, why does your inverter have an "earth" connection?
  1. The first answer is that it is probably required by CE (Conformité Européenne) and their experts have determined that you need protection from yourself and Acts of God.
  2. Next possible reason is that Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) may be created by the inverter and grounding (earth) may significantly reduce that noise, at least in non-marine environments. In marine environments, we make sure the inverter is OFF when using the SSB.
  3. And lastly, if an internal short happens whereby the outside metal case of the inverter is connected to 230VAC, the existence of the "earth" will trip any on-board GFI breaker (we have one on the side of the breaker panel...it is the main breaker and GFI breaker). It would also trip a shore power GFI breaker. 
The benefit is that if you touched the case after an internal short electrified the case, you would not get shocked if you had an "earth" wire and a GFI breaker. There is also a very, very outside chance that an internal short (without earth connection) could pass 230VAC to the "Return" wiring (the blue wire in 230VAC) and if you had a very old 2 wire 230VAC device, or one which someone did some "rewiring," there is a possibility that the metal case of that rewired device could be electrified. I can't even comprehend those odds, but if you do have some "rewired" 230V devices on your boat, get a qualified person to check these out, not only for this inverter issue.

My guess is that the earth was not connected to your inverter because it is internally connected to 24DC Negative...am I correct? I would not worry about it, but rather be careful not to touch the case if it is metal. Also, I think that I would be thankful that someone realized a potential problem with the internal connection of DC Negative to Earth.

I hope my simple understanding has simplified things for you, rather than complicated...actually, I do not know the complicated answer.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Afternoon All,

Would someone be able to explain the implications and possible dangers of not having your inverter grounded?

This goes back to a question I was asking about inverters a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Currently at Gocek



Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

we live in Norfolk part of the year. For eons, my husband has used Cobb's Marina in Norfolk, same inlet off the bay as US Naval Amphibious Base at Little Creek. Not as nice as the Deltaville location -- smaller and not geared for cruisers -- strictly a boatyard. They are flexible about you doing some or all of your work. very convenient to an Enterprise Car Rental Location and to the Norfolk Airport.

If you gave any questions, feel free to contact me at stephiedib@yahoo.com.

I will be in Norfolk ( Willoughby Spit) from Sept 19 to the 30th. if I can be of any help, you can send a text message to 757 351- 9596. I get messages through google voice and I have not yet ported that phone to a cell phone.

Fair Winds!
Stephanie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inverter Grounding

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chris,

I am not an electrician by any means, but let me tell you what I think.

The "earth wire" is not needed to operate the inverter, nor is it needed to operate any 230VAC device that I am aware of. Look at other 230VAC devices you have. Some have the third prong and some do not.

So, why does your inverter have an "earth" connection?
  1. The first answer is that it is probably required by CE (Conformité Européenne) and their experts have determined that you need protection from yourself and Acts of God.
  2. Next possible reason is that Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) may be created by the inverter and grounding (earth) may significantly reduce that noise, at least in non-marine environments. In marine environments, we make sure the inverter is OFF when using the SSB.
  3. And lastly, if an internal short happens whereby the outside metal case of the inverter is connected to 230VAC, the existence of the "earth" will trip any on-board GFI breaker (we have one on the side of the breaker panel...it is the main breaker and GFI breaker). It would also trip a shore power GFI breaker. 
The benefit is that if you touched the case after an internal short electrified the case, you would not get shocked if you had an "earth" wire and a GFI breaker. There is also a very, very outside chance that an internal short (without earth connection) could pass 230VAC to the "Return" wiring (the blue wire in 230VAC) and if you had a very old 2 wire 230VAC device, or one which someone did some "rewiring," there is a possibility that the metal case of that rewired device could be electrified. I can't even comprehend those odds, but if you do have some "rewired" 230V devices on your boat, get a qualified person to check these out, not only for this inverter issue.

My guess is that the earth was not connected to your inverter because it is internally connected to 24DC Negative...am I correct? I would not worry about it, but rather be careful not to touch the case if it is metal. Also, I think that I would be thankful that someone realized a potential problem with the internal connection of DC Negative to Earth.

I hope my simple understanding has simplified things for you, rather than complicated...actually, I do not know the complicated answer.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Afternoon All,

Would someone be able to explain the implications and possible dangers of not having your inverter grounded?

This goes back to a question I was asking about inverters a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Currently at Gocek



Inverter Grounding

Chris Flack
 

Good Afternoon All,

Would someone be able to explain the implications and possible dangers of not having your inverter grounded?

This goes back to a question I was asking about inverters a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Currently at Gocek


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Great Reply Bill,
                       I have been that man. When I first bought the boat even though it had very few hours that was the exact scenario.
It had been so overtightened the clutch was cracked
New clutch, shaft and keys ,etc. were required.

Trevor


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Agree.  Corrosion X is great…

:-)



On 28 Aug 2015, at 19:00, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

JP,

Some great products are from companies that make some other not-so-great products.

CorrosionX is my friend. I reject REJEX. I am not sure why a full disclosure is not included with Teflon products?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 28, 2015 5:48 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

As an added comment, this includes REJEX… Teflon based.


I had a collector car and used Rejex (same company as Corrosion X) and after use, I never won “concourse” until I spent days polishing and building wax from another company.

:-)

Jean-Pierre
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Aug 2015, at 18:40, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Polish everything... the hull, the deck (all smooth gelcoat) and stainless as well. Find someone who specializes in polishing.

You will be happy...oh, and don't let them use Teflon polish...the issue is that you can't really polish (xompound) fiberglass gelcoat or paint after Teflon has been applied.

Hi to Cindy!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 28, 2015 5:12 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

 

Besides Deltaville Boatyard, does anyone have a recommendation for a boat yard on the Chesapeake (any location south of Annapolis is preferable).

 

We are needing bottom paint and the routine Amel maintenance. I would also like to oversee or do the Amel maintenance myself and wax the hull.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Chesapeake Bay - Solomon








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Lots of good yards. If your in Solomon Island Zahnisers and is walking distance to everything. Going North, I like Hartge Yacht Harbor in Galesville, reasonable and picturesque, not close to much, but I can help with transportation. Also North is Herrington Harbor North, which has a West marine store onsite, plus a pool, but could be pricey. Hopefully you have a free “Port Book” and Chesapeake cruising guide to help you. ONE BIG CONCERN. Most do not sand the bottom before applying paint. Adhesion is limited. Just ask Kent. Secondly most of the paint used is frankly little better than house paint (again EPA and Maryland’s regulations on Marinas.) Most marinas don’t permit a diver to clean the bottom at the slip. However if you lose something overboard ------

Ric – Hartge Yacht Yard- Galesville

Bali Hai SN24

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

 

 

Hi all,

 

Besides Deltaville Boatyard, does anyone have a recommendation for a boat yard on the Chesapeake (any location south of Annapolis is preferable).

 

We are needing bottom paint and the routine Amel maintenance. I would also like to oversee or do the Amel maintenance myself and wax the hull.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Chesapeake Bay - Solomon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

JP,

Some great products are from companies that make some other not-so-great products.

CorrosionX is my friend. I reject REJEX. I am not sure why a full disclosure is not included with Teflon products?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 28, 2015 5:48 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

As an added comment, this includes REJEX… Teflon based.


I had a collector car and used Rejex (same company as Corrosion X) and after use, I never won “concourse” until I spent days polishing and building wax from another company.

:-)

Jean-Pierre
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Aug 2015, at 18:40, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Polish everything... the hull, the deck (all smooth gelcoat) and stainless as well. Find someone who specializes in polishing.

You will be happy...oh, and don't let them use Teflon polish...the issue is that you can't really polish (xompound) fiberglass gelcoat or paint after Teflon has been applied.

Hi to Cindy!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 28, 2015 5:12 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

 

Besides Deltaville Boatyard, does anyone have a recommendation for a boat yard on the Chesapeake (any location south of Annapolis is preferable).

 

We are needing bottom paint and the routine Amel maintenance. I would also like to oversee or do the Amel maintenance myself and wax the hull.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Chesapeake Bay - Solomon






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

As an added comment, this includes REJEX… Teflon based.

I had a collector car and used Rejex (same company as Corrosion X) and after use, I never won “concourse” until I spent days polishing and building wax from another company.

:-)

Jean-Pierre
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Aug 2015, at 18:40, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Polish everything... the hull, the deck (all smooth gelcoat) and stainless as well. Find someone who specializes in polishing.

You will be happy...oh, and don't let them use Teflon polish...the issue is that you can't really polish (xompound) fiberglass gelcoat or paint after Teflon has been applied.

Hi to Cindy!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 28, 2015 5:12 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

 

Besides Deltaville Boatyard, does anyone have a recommendation for a boat yard on the Chesapeake (any location south of Annapolis is preferable).

 

We are needing bottom paint and the routine Amel maintenance. I would also like to oversee or do the Amel maintenance myself and wax the hull.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Chesapeake Bay - Solomon






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Polish everything... the hull, the deck (all smooth gelcoat) and stainless as well. Find someone who specializes in polishing.

You will be happy...oh, and don't let them use Teflon polish...the issue is that you can't really polish (xompound) fiberglass gelcoat or paint after Teflon has been applied.

Hi to Cindy!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 28, 2015 5:12 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

 

Besides Deltaville Boatyard, does anyone have a recommendation for a boat yard on the Chesapeake (any location south of Annapolis is preferable).

 

We are needing bottom paint and the routine Amel maintenance. I would also like to oversee or do the Amel maintenance myself and wax the hull.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Chesapeake Bay - Solomon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Giani,

Maybe you have a different windlass than BeBe 387.

I have a Lofranz Tigres 1200 watt windlass. The parts list the motor as
00418b Electric motor 1200W 24V. There is not a separate parts listing for
brushes.

Let me know if you need anything else.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Aug 28, 2015 4:13 PM, "Giovanni Testa gtesta23@tin.it [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Ciao Bill,
I wish to check/replace my Lofran 1500 w 24 v brushes.
Unfortunately I'm not on board (Thailand) and the local Lofran dealer
(Italy) asks me photo and sizes ?!
Do you know please the engine name producer or the brushes specs.
many thanks
buon vento
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM2K_428


Il 28/08/2015 13.00, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] ha
scritto:



I have a slightly different problem, when I push the down button the
windlass makes a clicking sound but the gypsy does not rotate and leave out
chain. If there is weight on the chain , like the anchor dangling over the
bow then the gypsy rotates leaving out chain. Has anyone experienced this
and know what causes it.
Thanks , Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: seafeverofcuan@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 8:28 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently
unresponsive to helm or unit switches.


Drew,
I have had exactly that problem, the culprit appeared to be
carbon dust from the motor brushes (there are four) which either stopped
the windlass from working, or alternatively caused the chain to run away.
Once I cleaned it up and also checked and cleaned the conniptions as Bill
describes it all ran normally .

Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico




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Chesapeake Bay Boat Yard Needed

Mark Erdos
 

Hi all,

 

Besides Deltaville Boatyard, does anyone have a recommendation for a boat yard on the Chesapeake (any location south of Annapolis is preferable).

 

We are needing bottom paint and the routine Amel maintenance. I would also like to oversee or do the Amel maintenance myself and wax the hull.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Chesapeake Bay - Solomon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat, yes it is normal for the ratchet to release in the down position if the chain gets blocked or jammed. Operate the windlass with the hand lever, pumping back and forth and the ratchet operation will be apparent. And I believe this will happen with new chain almost all of the time until ALL OF IT has run through the windlass 10 - 20 times.

Trevor, you are describing the manual release and clutch on the Lofranz. By loosening the three prong nut you can let the anchor and chain free-fall. The only problem is that your chain counter will not count, but other than that it is fine. There is a cone clutch (metal-to-metal that tightens when the three prong nut is tightened. The cone faces should be greased once a year so that in the event something bad happens your windlass will not get pulled loose from its mount on the deck...and the three prong nut should not be over-tightened. If this cone does not slip and/or the three prong is over-tightened, you will ruin the keyway in the gypsy assembly which will cost you a minimum of 300 euros. I know a lot of people find it hard to believe that the cone should be greased. If you have any doubts, read the owners manual.

I hope this helps,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:39 PM, seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

      Would you include checking  and tightening the three eared nut on the the Lofrans as another possible cause go the chain not raising or lowering?

Best regards,

Trevor



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Bill,
      Would you include checking  and tightening the three eared nut on the the Lofrans as another possible cause go the chain not raising or lowering?

Best regards,

Trevor


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I do have new chain and the chain falls over on itself while heeled over ,and a few times I have had to open the locker to free it. So it is normal that in the down operation the windlass is not expected to have much pulling power ? Thanks Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2015 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

 
Pat,

Yes, and Yes, I know the cause.

First of all, the clicking sound is the built-in ratchet on your windlass that allows the Lofranz handle on the winch to manually raise the anchor. Without the ratchet you could not pump the handle back and forth and raise the chain. If you have never tried this, do it now.

Your issue is normally caused when you buy new chain, or the chain is not laying correctly when it is retrieved. The new zinc on the NEW chain links sometimes causes a binding of the links resulting in jamming either at the chain hawse opening, or on the gypsy. The solution is carefully pull on the chain as another crew member operates the down button on the gypsy. After you run all of the NEW chain through the gypsy about 10 - 20 times, the jamming will go away.

Other causes of jamming can be rusted chain, or something causing the chain pile to fall on itself weighing down the chain. If your chain is not NEW, look inside the watertight chain port as someone else operates the windlass...I suspect you will see what is going on.

Which of the above do you think you have?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I have a slightly different problem, when I push the down button the windlass makes a clicking sound but the gypsy does not rotate and leave out chain. If there is weight on the chain , like the anchor dangling over the bow then the gypsy rotates leaving out chain. Has anyone experienced this and know what causes it.
 Thanks , Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 8:28 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

 
Drew,
         I have had exactly that problem, the culprit appeared to be carbon dust from the motor brushes (there are four) which either stopped the windlass from working, or alternatively caused the chain to run away.
Once I cleaned it up and also checked and cleaned the conniptions as Bill describes  it all ran normally .

Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

Giovanni TESTA
 

Ciao Bill,
I wish to check/replace my Lofran 1500 w 24 v brushes.
Unfortunately I'm not on board (Thailand) and the local Lofran dealer (Italy) asks me photo and sizes ?!
Do you know please the engine name producer or the brushes specs.
many thanks
buon vento
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM2K_428


Il 28/08/2015 13.00, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

I have a slightly different problem, when I push the down button the windlass makes a clicking sound but the gypsy does not rotate and leave out chain. If there is weight on the chain , like the anchor dangling over the bow then the gypsy rotates leaving out chain. Has anyone experienced this and know what causes it.
 Thanks , Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 8:28 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

 
Drew,
         I have had exactly that problem, the culprit appeared to be carbon dust from the motor brushes (there are four) which either stopped the windlass from working, or alternatively caused the chain to run away.
Once I cleaned it up and also checked and cleaned the conniptions as Bill describes  it all ran normally .

Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

Yes, and Yes, I know the cause.

First of all, the clicking sound is the built-in ratchet on your windlass that allows the Lofranz handle on the winch to manually raise the anchor. Without the ratchet you could not pump the handle back and forth and raise the chain. If you have never tried this, do it now.

Your issue is normally caused when you buy new chain, or the chain is not laying correctly when it is retrieved. The new zinc on the NEW chain links sometimes causes a binding of the links resulting in jamming either at the chain hawse opening, or on the gypsy. The solution is carefully pull on the chain as another crew member operates the down button on the gypsy. After you run all of the NEW chain through the gypsy about 10 - 20 times, the jamming will go away.

Other causes of jamming can be rusted chain, or something causing the chain pile to fall on itself weighing down the chain. If your chain is not NEW, look inside the watertight chain port as someone else operates the windlass...I suspect you will see what is going on.

Which of the above do you think you have?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have a slightly different problem, when I push the down button the windlass makes a clicking sound but the gypsy does not rotate and leave out chain. If there is weight on the chain , like the anchor dangling over the bow then the gypsy rotates leaving out chain. Has anyone experienced this and know what causes it.
 Thanks , Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 8:28 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

 
Drew,
         I have had exactly that problem, the culprit appeared to be carbon dust from the motor brushes (there are four) which either stopped the windlass from working, or alternatively caused the chain to run away.
Once I cleaned it up and also checked and cleaned the conniptions as Bill describes  it all ran normally .

Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

Patrick McAneny
 

I have a slightly different problem, when I push the down button the windlass makes a clicking sound but the gypsy does not rotate and leave out chain. If there is weight on the chain , like the anchor dangling over the bow then the gypsy rotates leaving out chain. Has anyone experienced this and know what causes it.
 Thanks , Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 8:28 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

 
Drew,
         I have had exactly that problem, the culprit appeared to be carbon dust from the motor brushes (there are four) which either stopped the windlass from working, or alternatively caused the chain to run away.
Once I cleaned it up and also checked and cleaned the conniptions as Bill describes  it all ran normally .

Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico


Re: Lofrans Tigre Windlass intermittently unresponsive to helm or unit switches.

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Drew,
         I have had exactly that problem, the culprit appeared to be carbon dust from the motor brushes (there are four) which either stopped the windlass from working, or alternativelycaused the chain to run away.
Once I cleaned it up and also checked and cleaned the conniptions as Bill describes  it all ran normally .

Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico