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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pole takedown

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

In addition to what was written, since I am single handed, I attach a halyard attach to the rail to prevent the pole to slam into the cockpit.
So as I ease the pole it goes toward the boat and is stop by this halyard.
I use the same system when I put them on.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Great Exumas, Bahamas



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On Mon, 11/2/15, francesringley@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pole takedown
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 2, 2015, 11:16 PM


 









Thanks to everyone for your sage advice! Several
things I have yet to try and will do so at my next
opportunity. As always, your collective SM experience makes
things safer and easier. Much appreciated.
IanSM153Loca
Lola II









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pole takedown

Alan Leslie
 

I wouldn't have thought there would be much pressure on the mast from the pole unless you were flying a sail from it and you didn't have a sail on the other side pole to balance it - just the bare pole wouldn't do it.
We sail with the poles and guys attached ready to go and frequently pole out the genoa only - poling out the jib / genoa is common practice on most yachts.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchors for a Santorin

Ian Park
 

Ric
Agree with big is best philosophy. At my age I can handle the Rocna 25 if I need to stow it, but I am getting beyond the weight of the 33 if I needed to shift it from the bow!! (Ric, might have a chat later in the season; we're heading up to Cuba from Trinidad this year and may move on up to Chesapeake to haul out. Would value any advice on good places)

Just an additional comment - if you are fitting a swivel on your new anchor, don't forget to put 4 - 6 links of chain between the anchor and the swivel. It ensures the load on the swivel is always fore and aft and no stress is placed across the swivel joint should the anchor need to turn and reset under stress.

Ian 'Ocean Hobo' SN96


A 54 Winter Cockpit Enclosure

ki4jde@...
 

Does anyone have a text description or illustrated guidelines for setting up the winter enclosure?


Many thanks,


Jeff

LAST TANGO


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchors for a Santorin

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Ian,

My apologies. My theory is get the biggest and best damn anchor possible. Rocna did have some problems at one time, but is now ok. I also have a 33lb and a 66lb Bruce. In the Chesapeake Bay I could got literally chuck them over the side, tie it off and open a beer without looking back

Ric SN24

Bali Hai

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 11:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchors for a Santorin

 

 

It was the Spade 100 shaft that bent. The Rocna Is fine. I was going to get the 33 but when I saw the size and weight I checked with Rocna and they confirmed that the 25 would be plenty. If it gets really rough I can double up with the Spade.

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pole takedown

Peter Killen
 

I have always swung both poles out whether or not I use the two, since I seem to remember, during training, that Olivier had stated that too much pressure on one side of the mast was a bad idea.  Am I wrong in this?

Peter
Pure Magic 433

On 3 Nov 2015, at 03:38, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

All good techniques. The key is that someone needs to be prepared to "catch" the pole when the blue line is eased. I like to lower the pole about 1-2 feet before easing the blue line, so that when the pole comes toward the boat it is about 6" to 1' above the rail, then we lower it and hook it to the rail on the inside of the rail. I usually ease the blue line, while Judy pulls on the sheet and red line and is prepared to catch. I also help with the catching with one hand. I have done this alone...you should practice this while at anchor with crew members.

Getting the long pole to swing out while someone is pulling on the blue line takes practice. If there is some roll to the boat, use the roll to your advantage...and always make sure that the swivel block on the bitter end of the long pole is horizontal...if not, you will have a difficult time getting it to swing out.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bob Fritz U sailboatdelivery@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

This is my procedure for setting and retrieving the long pole on the SM.
1. Set the short pole on the mast and attach the long pole and hook it on the rail.
2. Attach the fore guy, (blue line), the after guy, (red line), the down haul, (yellow line), and the pole lift. If from the factory, the lines are marked at the cleat point. I hope I have the colors correct.
3. Run the genoa sheet through the sheave on the end of the pole.
4. Deploy the pole by hauling rapidly on the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, use gravity to help by hauling when the boat rolls to the same side as the pole.
5. Unfurl the jib and sheet home.
6. Reverse the procedure for removing the pole. Furl the jib first and proceed from there.
7. Lower the pole to the level of the stanchion.
8. Maintain control of the pole by having a crew take up on the after guy as you ease the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, bring in the pole when the boat rolls to the pole side. Be sure the assisting crew is far enough aft that they will not be hit by the pole if control is lost. A bumper or cushion on the stanchion or rail will prevent damage should things go bad. I have never yet had a problem with the pole hitting the water although it could happen if the pole is lowered too much.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchors for a Santorin

Ian Park
 

It was the Spade 100 shaft that bent. The Rocna Is fine. I was going to get the 33 but when I saw the size and weight I checked with Rocna and they confirmed that the 25 would be plenty. If it gets really rough I can double up with the Spade.

Ian


Re: Pole takedown

drew.gaffney@...
 

We follow the same port-pole retrieval procedure as  noted by Bebe, with one exception.  Rather than having the long-pole so close to the rail, we leave it much higher.  Otherwise,  it can swing in with considerable force, striking the crewmember trying to retrieve it nearer the cockpit.  If it's slightly overhead, it can be easily controlled with the red line and the  Genoa sheet.  Once the pole is captured, the forward crewmember can loosely cleat the blue line and then use the white lift line to lower the pole onto the inside of railing where it can be hooked and left.  Same process for the startboard side.
Drew
SY Revelation SM390 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchors for a Santorin

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

If you bent the shaft of the rocna 25, it is because it was too light. The 33 fits on my without modifcation. 
SN24 Bali Hai
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Nov 3, 2015, at 2:35 AM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi.
I had a CQR on my last boat and it would not set well. I bought a Spade 100 and it was really great. It was oversize for my previous boat but I knew I would be changing to a bigger boat. I bought a Santorin two years ago. It had a CQR with 8mm chain. I swapped to 100m of 10 mm as I though 8 was a bit light for the weight of boat and changed the gypsy too. Shortly after the Spade anchor shaft bent slightly (the shaft is hollow to make it lighter). I have kept the Spade as it is a good anchor, but have replaced it with a Rocna 25. It has performed really well. It is plenty big enough for the Santorin. I have had to file away a couple of centimetres of the fibreglass on the top of the bow roller to accommodate the top of the shaft. It fits perfectly. It does not self launch easily like the Spade did, so I do have to release a bit of chain and give a push with my foot to let it sit at an angle on the roller if I want to operate it from the cockpit.

I also have a Fortress FX 23 as a bower and that works very well.

The Spade and Rocna are both brilliant anchors. The slight bending of the shaft inclines me to recommend the Rocna.

Ian. 'Ocean Hobo' SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchors for a Santorin

Siviero Attilio <attilio.siviero@...>
 

On my Santorin #84 I have a Spade, works perfectly. And on th right bow locker I preserve the old CQR, not working well like Spade. The chain is 10mm by 70m, found on the boat as original.
I also have a fortress in the lazaret, with 10m chain (10mm) and 50m rope, for stern anchoring.
I also owned a Rocna, lost in the Med thanks to a bad junction during a night passage in front of Bizerta, but I had to trim the shaft to accomodate it in the bow roller, very good. Anyhow Spade is great!

Attilio & Maria Siviero 
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"


Il giorno 03 nov 2015, alle ore 12:28, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


Good Morning,
A good galvanized dansforth is reasonably priced, easily obtained, often can be found second hand if you look, and is excellent in sandy bottom, where I think most vessels find themselves in to anchor better then 50% of the time. 
Jeff 54 #14 Spirit
 
 
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 04:32 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 

Hi, I saw that the SPADE 120 is ok on the bow roller of the SN,not as it seems for Rocna 25. But Rocna proposes another  anchor : VULCAN  that still seems more suitable because has the shaft like Spade. Whats about it?  Greetongs. Enio




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchors for a Santorin

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: Anchors for a Santorin

rossienio@...
 

Hi, I saw that the SPADE 120 is ok on the bow roller of the SN,not as it seems for Rocna 25. But Rocna proposes another  anchor : VULCAN  that still seems more suitable because has the shaft like Spade. Whats about it?  Greetongs. Enio


Re: Anchors for a Santorin

Ian Park
 

Hi.
I had a CQR on my last boat and it would not set well. I bought a Spade 100 and it was really great. It was oversize for my previous boat but I knew I would be changing to a bigger boat. I bought a Santorin two years ago. It had a CQR with 8mm chain. I swapped to 100m of 10 mm as I though 8 was a bit light for the weight of boat and changed the gypsy too. Shortly after the Spade anchor shaft bent slightly (the shaft is hollow to make it lighter). I have kept the Spade as it is a good anchor, but have replaced it with a Rocna 25. It has performed really well. It is plenty big enough for the Santorin. I have had to file away a couple of centimetres of the fibreglass on the top of the bow roller to accommodate the top of the shaft. It fits perfectly. It does not self launch easily like the Spade did, so I do have to release a bit of chain and give a push with my foot to let it sit at an angle on the roller if I want to operate it from the cockpit.

I also have a Fortress FX 23 as a bower and that works very well.

The Spade and Rocna are both brilliant anchors. The slight bending of the shaft inclines me to recommend the Rocna.

Ian. 'Ocean Hobo' SN96


Re: Pole takedown

francesringley@...
 

Thanks to everyone for your sage advice! Several things I have yet to try and will do so at my next opportunity. As always, your collective SM experience makes things safer and easier. Much appreciated.

Ian
SM153
Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pole takedown

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

All good techniques. The key is that someone needs to be prepared to "catch" the pole when the blue line is eased. I like to lower the pole about 1-2 feet before easing the blue line, so that when the pole comes toward the boat it is about 6" to 1' above the rail, then we lower it and hook it to the rail on the inside of the rail. I usually ease the blue line, while Judy pulls on the sheet and red line and is prepared to catch. I also help with the catching with one hand. I have done this alone...you should practice this while at anchor with crew members.

Getting the long pole to swing out while someone is pulling on the blue line takes practice. If there is some roll to the boat, use the roll to your advantage...and always make sure that the swivel block on the bitter end of the long pole is horizontal...if not, you will have a difficult time getting it to swing out.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bob Fritz U sailboatdelivery@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

This is my procedure for setting and retrieving the long pole on the SM.
1. Set the short pole on the mast and attach the long pole and hook it on the rail.
2. Attach the fore guy, (blue line), the after guy, (red line), the down haul, (yellow line), and the pole lift. If from the factory, the lines are marked at the cleat point. I hope I have the colors correct.
3. Run the genoa sheet through the sheave on the end of the pole.
4. Deploy the pole by hauling rapidly on the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, use gravity to help by hauling when the boat rolls to the same side as the pole.
5. Unfurl the jib and sheet home.
6. Reverse the procedure for removing the pole. Furl the jib first and proceed from there.
7. Lower the pole to the level of the stanchion.
8. Maintain control of the pole by having a crew take up on the after guy as you ease the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, bring in the pole when the boat rolls to the pole side. Be sure the assisting crew is far enough aft that they will not be hit by the pole if control is lost. A bumper or cushion on the stanchion or rail will prevent damage should things go bad. I have never yet had a problem with the pole hitting the water although it could happen if the pole is lowered too much.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 'White deck' texture

Santorin LO
 

Thanks Joe, the area is very small (about 10 x 5cm) and I believe your idea could work, however, I observed that there are about 3 different patterns to follow i.e the 'drops shaped' fixtures, the diagonal lines of original fixing and the width ones, which makes this very difficult to match to the rest of the surface
.




From: "joemac4sail@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 5:55 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 'White deck' texture

 
How big is the repair. Would a waxed silicone mould of an undamaged part of the deck hold uncured gelcoat allowing you to get the look you want. Might be worth trying as an experiment. Regards Joe.



Re: 'White deck' texture

joseph mc donnell
 

How big is the repair. Would a waxed silicone mould of an undamaged part of the deck hold uncured gelcoat allowing you to get the look you want. Might be worth trying as an experiment. Regards Joe.


Re: Pole takedown

Bob Fritz
 

This is my procedure for setting and retrieving the long pole on the SM.
1. Set the short pole on the mast and attach the long pole and hook it on the rail.
2. Attach the fore guy, (blue line), the after guy, (red line), the down haul, (yellow line), and the pole lift. If from the factory, the lines are marked at the cleat point. I hope I have the colors correct.
3. Run the genoa sheet through the sheave on the end of the pole.
4. Deploy the pole by hauling rapidly on the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, use gravity to help by hauling when the boat rolls to the same side as the pole.
5. Unfurl the jib and sheet home.
6. Reverse the procedure for removing the pole. Furl the jib first and proceed from there.
7. Lower the pole to the level of the stanchion.
8. Maintain control of the pole by having a crew take up on the after guy as you ease the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, bring in the pole when the boat rolls to the pole side. Be sure the assisting crew is far enough aft that they will not be hit by the pole if control is lost. A bumper or cushion on the stanchion or rail will prevent damage should things go bad. I have never yet had a problem with the pole hitting the water although it could happen if the pole is lowered too much.


Re: Anchors for a Santorin

joseph mc donnell
 

Thanks Christoph for raising the subject of anchors. After a summer in Croatia, I was disapointed with our CQR, particularly when trying to set it in sea grass. That along with the deep anchoring, has pushed us to look at changing our main anchor. If any Santorin owner has changed to one of the newer brands Rocna, Bugel, Mason, Bruce or Delta, which worked and at what weight. Also was there a need to alter the bow roller to accommodate the new anchor and was there a need to up grade the chain from 8mm to 10mm.
Regards. Joe


'White deck' texture

Santorin LO
 

Hi, does anyone knows how to get the same original anti slide design on the white part of the deck following repair? Hading a patch just under the mast following cracking due to tool falling - it is repaired, but flat rather then like the original design - any idea how to get this right please? (Amel Santorin).

Brads