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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pole takedown

Ian Shepherd
 

No Peter you are not wrong. The inwards pressure on the pole can be considerable and the focal point of this pressure is six feet above the step. When the weld on my same side lower spreader failed whilst using only the port side pole, the mast crumpled around the pole attachment point.

Significantly when I accepted the boat back from Amel after repairs, the Amel representative sailing with me said that in strong winds it would be a good idea to rig poles on both sides to lessen the side thrust on the mast.

I remember someone pointing out to me before I owned an Amel that the pole design was not a good idea due to the loads being so high up the mast. I believe that Amel learnt from my mishap and did away with the concept on the 54 by attaching the poles at the foot of the mast.
Ian Shepherd SM2K Crusader (2003) Larnaca Cyprus


On 03/11/2015 17:32, peter killen peterkillen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I have always swung both poles out whether or not I use the two, since I seem to remember, during training, that Olivier had stated that too much pressure on one side of the mast was a bad idea. Am I wrong in this?


Peter
Pure Magic 433
On 3 Nov 2015, at 03:38, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


All good techniques. The key is that someone needs to be prepared to "catch" the pole when the blue line is eased. I like to lower the pole about 1-2 feet before easing the blue line, so that when the pole comes toward the boat it is about 6" to 1' above the rail, then we lower it and hook it to the rail on the inside of the rail. I usually ease the blue line, while Judy pulls on the sheet and red line and is prepared to catch. I also help with the catching with one hand. I have done this alone...you should practice this while at anchor with crew members.

Getting the long pole to swing out while someone is pulling on the blue line takes practice. If there is some roll to the boat, use the roll to your advantage...and always make sure that the swivel block on the bitter end of the long pole is horizontal...if not, you will have a difficult time getting it to swing out.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bob Fritz U sailboatdelivery@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

This is my procedure for setting and retrieving the long pole on the SM.
1. Set the short pole on the mast and attach the long pole and hook it on the rail.
2. Attach the fore guy, (blue line), the after guy, (red line), the down haul, (yellow line), and the pole lift. If from the factory, the lines are marked at the cleat point. I hope I have the colors correct.
3. Run the genoa sheet through the sheave on the end of the pole.
4. Deploy the pole by hauling rapidly on the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, use gravity to help by hauling when the boat rolls to the same side as the pole.
5. Unfurl the jib and sheet home.
6. Reverse the procedure for removing the pole. Furl the jib first and proceed from there.
7. Lower the pole to the level of the stanchion.
8. Maintain control of the pole by having a crew take up on the after guy as you ease the fore guy. If the boat is rolling, bring in the pole when the boat rolls to the pole side. Be sure the assisting crew is far enough aft that they will not be hit by the pole if control is lost. A bumper or cushion on the stanchion or rail will prevent damage should things go bad. I have never yet had a problem with the pole hitting the water although it could happen if the pole is lowered too much.






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DOLPHIN carger 24 volt 100 A

Ian Shepherd
 

Giovanni,

does the charger work for a short period then shut down? The cooling fans on the Reya chargers do tend to fail regularly. I replace them with 24V computer fans using self tapping screws from the outside of the casing which is far less fiddly than the original nuts, washers and bolts.

I am also going to fit 24V regulators in the feed to the fan as I believe that when the charger voltage rises to 28.2V, it may be over stressing the fan motor.

Good luck.
Ian Shepherd SM2K Crusader (2003) Larnaca Cyprus


On 13/11/2015 11:23, gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

 Hi to all ,

my Dolphin carger 24 volt 100 A (2003) has RED signal _electronic controller carger out of service.

So, as I'm in Thailand, I think that it  is very difficult to service it with new electronic parts.

I'm planning to replace it with a new one, good to charge also my AGM batteries.

Any experinces or suggestions about ?

all the best

Giovanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Krabi_Thailand

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main sail line tender

Donato Valente
 

Thank you Steve. 
I have the gearbox spare on board
We are sailing today because of our strict timetable. 
Will solve the problem in Miami, since the locals in Fajardo were not able to free the gearbox from the shaft. 
Thanks for your help. 
Donato 

SM Ocean Bird #468
Leaving Puertorico today


Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 19 nov 2015, alle ore 11:17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Hello Donato,


I just remembered that I have a new Leroy Somer gearbox I purchased from Emek Marine as a spare last year. If you need the gearbox to repair your boat, I'd be happy tp sell it to you, and I will just purchase another spare for myself. It was $1400.00 US from Emek Marine when I purchased it last year. 

We are a few miles away in Culebra with our SM, and you could probably ride the $5.00 ferry from Fajardo to here this afternoon to pick it up, or I can look for a way to ship it from here. They have very few services on Culebra, and I suspect shipping is not a great option, but I'd be willing to check into it. We are also planning to be in Fajardo on December 1st, but I would guess you may need the part sooner. 

Let me know if you are interested soon, as we are planning to sail over to Vieques on Saturday. 

Regards,
Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72

Flyboyscd at gmail dot com


Re: Marine Electronics - Autopilot

mkbiz@...
 

Hi Jay,

I did the same on my Maramu, though I use a B&G control unit. I assume the Mango is not so much different from it.
I installed a Raymarine Lineardrive Type 2 under the aft cabin bunk. I got a stainless steel arm welded to one of the two sides of the existing "handles" where the steering cables are attached.
I had to drill a hole into both the side of the bunk and the compartment with the rudder shaft to connect the "arm" to the drive piston.

Don't have a photo of the complete installation here, only can show you what happened when the piston got loose and broke an additional hole into the sid of the bunk ;)

http://www.sioned.de/sail/piston.jpg

I kept the original autopilot as a backup.


Re: Main sail line tender

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Donato,

I just remembered that I have a new Leroy Somer gearbox I purchased from Emek Marine as a spare last year. If you need the gearbox to repair your boat, I'd be happy tp sell it to you, and I will just purchase another spare for myself. It was $1400.00 US from Emek Marine when I purchased it last year. 

We are a few miles away in Culebra with our SM, and you could probably ride the $5.00 ferry from Fajardo to here this afternoon to pick it up, or I can look for a way to ship it from here. They have very few services on Culebra, and I suspect shipping is not a great option, but I'd be willing to check into it. We are also planning to be in Fajardo on December 1st, but I would guess you may need the part sooner. 

Let me know if you are interested soon, as we are planning to sail over to Vieques on Saturday. 

Regards,
Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72

Flyboyscd at gmail dot com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sail line tender

Donato Valente
 

Thanks Joel, you are right.  
Sorry for the mistake. 
All the best
Donato 

SM #468 Ocean Bird now in Fajardo

Inviato da iPad

Il giorno 18 nov 2015, alle ore 21:30, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Hello Donato. Please tell me that you own SM 53 # 468 and not #486.

Thanks in advance.

All The best. Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sail line tender

Goodmorning,

Unfortunately my partner in Portorico has to change the gears on the
electric line tender on the boom of our SM 2000 (year 2004).
He is having the assistance of a local 'technician' but unsuccesfully.
The gears are completely gone and need to dismantle the whole line
tender since it seems blocked (rust, salt etc).
How to start to free the vertical shaft ? starting from the cap on
top, or freeing the bottom gears first.
I apologize for my very poor description.
Any suggestions ?
Is there any drawing on the net ?
Many thanks for your help

Donato
SM 486 Ocean Bird in Fajardo Puertorico

--
___/)_____/)____/)_____

Ing. Donato Valente
mobile:+39 392 5390810
Skype ID: donato.valente




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mango Change to Raymarine Autopilot - add a Linear Drive

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jay,

All of the Raymarine course computers I have seen are NOT "married" to Raymarine drives and these will control almost any electrical or hydraulic drive. So, if I were you I would go to Raymarine and download the installation manual of the new Raymarine system for information and contact your local Raymarine dealer.

You may want to install an A/B switch to switch the connection between the existing chain drive and the linear drive that you plan to install on the quadrant. One trick is that you will likely have to switch polarity of the drive motor for the Linear drive because the physical orientation will be reverse the physical orientation of the existing rotary drive. Raymarine course computers change a drive's change direction by reversing polarity...remember this when installing that linear drive. You can switch polarity at the A/B switch for the motor of the additional drive.

Since the Mango and the Super Maramu have the same hull except for the portion aft of the watertight bulkhead on the forward side of the rear lazzerette, I assume that you may have little problems fitting a Raymarine Type 2 Long Linear Drive 12VDC Drive...assuming that the Mango is its original 12VDC, you will probably have no problems installing a Raymarine 12VDC system and you will likely be able to switch between the two drives.

Apparently David Pawley pawleyd"at"gmail.com has some experience with doing this with a Neco.

Take a look at these photos of a Super Maramu Linear Drive by Raymarine: 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=autopilot#zax/albums_1112519422


Good luck!

And I would not be surprised if a Mango owner hasn't done the same thisng and add more to this thread.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:08 AM, David Pawley pawleyd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I did something similar, on a 65" Swan, is your Old Rotary drive a "Neco", doesn't really matter much, what it is, but probably a Compound wound DC Motor with lots of terminals. These motors are imensly strong and I would urge you to keep it going with new control head.
I hooked it up quiet easily to a Raymarine Control Head, after checking brushes, commutator and changing gear box oil.
PM me with image of your Actuator and I think I can talk you thru it.

On 19 November 2015 at 09:28, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Let me be more specific. I am wondering where owners mounted the linear drive or if they perhaps found a way to use the existing gear when upgrading. Right now, the autopilot motor is attached to a chain behind the console. It is controlled manually. I actually wouldn't mind finding a way to leave it as a backup.

Plenty of space for all the other items you listed.

Regards
Jay

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I do not understand your question.

There will be several components to the Raymarine pilot system:
Control head
Course computer
Rotary drive or Linear drive
Rudder reference
Compass

Then there will be other instruments such as depth, wind, chartplotter, radar, etc.

What specifically do you mean when you say, "best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?"

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am closing on a 1986 Amel Mango and need to replace the electronics. I am planning on buying the new Raymarine eS system and replacing the existing chain driven autopilot. Does anybody have any thoughts on the best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?

Thank You
Jay Wagamon







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marine Electronics - Autopilot

David Pawley
 

I did something similar, on a 65" Swan, is your Old Rotary drive a "Neco", doesn't really matter much, what it is, but probably a Compound wound DC Motor with lots of terminals. These motors are imensly strong and I would urge you to keep it going with new control head.
I hooked it up quiet easily to a Raymarine Control Head, after checking brushes, commutator and changing gear box oil.
PM me with image of your Actuator and I think I can talk you thru it.

On 19 November 2015 at 09:28, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Let me be more specific. I am wondering where owners mounted the linear drive or if they perhaps found a way to use the existing gear when upgrading. Right now, the autopilot motor is attached to a chain behind the console. It is controlled manually. I actually wouldn't mind finding a way to leave it as a backup.

Plenty of space for all the other items you listed.

Regards
Jay

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I do not understand your question.

There will be several components to the Raymarine pilot system:
Control head
Course computer
Rotary drive or Linear drive
Rudder reference
Compass

Then there will be other instruments such as depth, wind, chartplotter, radar, etc.

What specifically do you mean when you say, "best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?"

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am closing on a 1986 Amel Mango and need to replace the electronics. I am planning on buying the new Raymarine eS system and replacing the existing chain driven autopilot. Does anybody have any thoughts on the best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?

Thank You
Jay Wagamon






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marine Electronics - Autopilot

J Wagam <jwagam@...>
 

Hi Bill,

Let me be more specific. I am wondering where owners mounted the linear drive or if they perhaps found a way to use the existing gear when upgrading. Right now, the autopilot motor is attached to a chain behind the console. It is controlled manually. I actually wouldn't mind finding a way to leave it as a backup.

Plenty of space for all the other items you listed.

Regards
Jay

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I do not understand your question.

There will be several components to the Raymarine pilot system:
Control head
Course computer
Rotary drive or Linear drive
Rudder reference
Compass

Then there will be other instruments such as depth, wind, chartplotter, radar, etc.

What specifically do you mean when you say, "best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?"

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am closing on a 1986 Amel Mango and need to replace the electronics. I am planning on buying the new Raymarine eS system and replacing the existing chain driven autopilot. Does anybody have any thoughts on the best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?

Thank You
Jay Wagamon





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the bilge

joseph mc donnell
 

The intake hose on the head in our Santorin does not have an anti siphon loop just seals to keep the water out. If memory seves me its the same on the SM2000  and if the choker valve is worn or has a build up of calcium it will leak water back into the head. Despite the good design not all water ends up in the shower basin under the grating. The fibreglass floor under the head slopes twords the shower basin when on an even keel, but when on a tack presents a level surface for water to slop out of the head, sit on that surface and find a way past the stainless steel inspection plate or the back of the Head basin. Don't taste the water.
Joe    


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sail line tender

amelforme
 

Hello Donato. Please tell me that you own SM 53 # 468 and not #486.



Thanks in advance.



All The best. Joel



Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sail line tender





Goodmorning,

Unfortunately my partner in Portorico has to change the gears on the
electric line tender on the boom of our SM 2000 (year 2004).
He is having the assistance of a local 'technician' but unsuccesfully.
The gears are completely gone and need to dismantle the whole line
tender since it seems blocked (rust, salt etc).
How to start to free the vertical shaft ? starting from the cap on
top, or freeing the bottom gears first.
I apologize for my very poor description.
Any suggestions ?
Is there any drawing on the net ?
Many thanks for your help

Donato
SM 486 Ocean Bird in Fajardo Puertorico

--
___/)_____/)____/)_____

Ing. Donato Valente
mobile:+39 392 5390810
Skype ID: donato.valente





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marine Electronics - Autopilot

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I do not understand your question.

There will be several components to the Raymarine pilot system:
Control head
Course computer
Rotary drive or Linear drive
Rudder reference
Compass

Then there will be other instruments such as depth, wind, chartplotter, radar, etc.

What specifically do you mean when you say, "best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?"

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am closing on a 1986 Amel Mango and need to replace the electronics. I am planning on buying the new Raymarine eS system and replacing the existing chain driven autopilot. Does anybody have any thoughts on the best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?

Thank You
Jay Wagamon




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marine Electronics - Autopilot

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Jay,

I can’t help you on the auto-pilot, but congratulations on the Mango and welcome to the group!
Let us know where you are sailing and hope we met! I am a big fan of the Mango!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Emerald Bay Marina, Great Exumas, The Bahamas.




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On Wed, 11/18/15, jwagam@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marine Electronics - Autopilot
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2015, 1:10 PM


 









Hello All,
This is my first post here. I am
closing on a 1986 Amel Mango and need to replace the
electronics. I am planning on buying the new Raymarine eS
system and replacing the existing chain driven autopilot.
Does anybody have any thoughts on the best way to connect
the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?
Thank YouJay
Wagamon











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Marine Electronics - Autopilot

jwagam@...
 

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am closing on a 1986 Amel Mango and need to replace the electronics. I am planning on buying the new Raymarine eS system and replacing the existing chain driven autopilot. Does anybody have any thoughts on the best way to connect the Raymarine Evolution autopilot?

Thank You
Jay Wagamon



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main sail line tender

Donato Valente
 

Many thanks Trevor, many thanks Bill for your really precious help.
Fair winds to all of you
Donato 

Ocean Bird SM Ocean Bird now in Puertorico


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Il giorno 18 nov 2015, alle ore 16:28, seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Donato,

           Go into the Files section and look under Amelliahona Outhaul Gearbox written by Gary Silver and possibly Bill Rouse of Bebe.
You will get very clear instructions how to proceed.
Also, it would be much better to have the new seals, gears and bearings before you start.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
2004 SM 425 Redline
For Sale 
$295,000


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sail line tender

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Goodmorning,

Unfortunately my partner in Portorico has to change the gears on the
electric line tender on the boom of our SM 2000 (year 2004).
He is having the assistance of a local 'technician' but unsuccesfully.
The gears are completely gone and need to dismantle the whole line
tender since it seems blocked (rust, salt etc).
How to start to free the vertical shaft ? starting from the cap on
top, or freeing the bottom gears first.
I apologize for my very poor description.
Any suggestions ?
Is there any drawing on the net ?
Many thanks for your help

Donato
SM 486 Ocean Bird in Fajardo Puertorico

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Re: Main sail line tender

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Donato,
           Go into the Files section and look under Amelliahona Outhaul Gearbox written by Gary Silver and possibly Bill Rouse of Bebe.
You will get very clear instructions how to proceed.
Also, it would be much better to have the new seals, gears and bearings before you start.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
2004 SM 425 Redline
For Sale 
$295,000


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shore Power Configuration

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie,

BeBe SM #387 does not have an isolation transformer and does not have a breaker before the breaker on the side of the 220VAC electrical panel. That is a GFC breaker rated at 32 amps.

I am not an electrical engineer, so I test electrical devices by touching them to see how hot are charged they are. This has served me well, but I have lost a few brain cells doing this...maybe I'll buy a Fluke one of these days.

Good luck on your project, and don't use the touch-test to test for a load...that only works for us IEs.

Bill
Bebe 387

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Yes just after I posted my message I looked on some of the US calculators and these as you say seem more conservative. I am not at my boat at the moment but I will certainly take a look at the Amel drawings the next time I am there.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:59 PM


To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shore Power Configuration

 

 

Thanks Andrew, I checked the European wire manufacturers out there and they all seem to indicate that 4mm2 wire is good for up to 32A single phase, so I think you are correct on adequacy in design. I think the US NEC is just more conservative, hence my concern.

 

I will retain my 32A breaker, but I still would like to find out why my Amel factory electrical schematics indicate a 16 amp 230V circuit breaker. It seems you have a 32A breaker, as do I.

 

What shore power inlet breaker rating is shown on your Amel drawings?

 

Thanks,

Jamie

 

 

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:46 AM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We have a total run of somewhere between 15-20 meters (internal cabling + shore power cable)  of twin and earth 4mm2 cross section double insulated cable from the shore power to the 32A circuit breaker in the engine room, then onto the 7.5KW rated isolation transformer. All the online and offline calculators/calculations that I have done seem to suggest that this is adequate.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shore Power Configuration

 

 

Bill, thanks for the feedback. Trust me, I am not trying to question what Amel did, as I am sure they have been installing safe and effective electrical systems in their boats. And I also agree that I do not want to "de-Amel" my boat. I like it essentially the way it is.

 

But I do have some concerns that my Amel 54 may not be configured as Amel intended, and what I have is definitely not safe. I was hoping to see what others have in their shore power systems to see if I have the right setup. Right now I have a single 32A/230V Hubbel shore power inlet coupled to a 32A/230V circuit breaker in the lazarette feeding my shore power line to the automatic transfer switch in the engine room. The Amel electrical schematics I have indicate there should be a 16A/230V breaker for the 50Hz feeder and also a 32A breaker for a 120V/60Hz feeder with a step-up transformer. I do not have the 16A breaker or the transformer. I am concerned about the possibility that someone may connect my shore power inlet to a 230V or 240V connection (which is what you have to do of course whether in Europe or the US) but then try to run everything in the boat. That would overload my 4mm2 wiring.

 

I certainly am not immune to making mistakes, but I do think I am looking at this correctly. I am an electrical engineer, so right or wrong I have based my shore power assessments on US National Electrical Code rules. Your approach to determining wire size based on voltage and voltage drop also can be used, but is only really appropriate for DC wiring and not higher voltage AC systems (whether they are 120V or 230V), where voltage drop is not a concern in a house or boat. Voltage drop is only important if you are looking at DC circuits (where we are dealing with 12 or 24 volts).

 

Respectfully, I must also point out a few issues with your numbers. 4mm2, commonly available in Europe, is a cross-sectional measurement of the wire and not the diameter or circumference. It is the equivalent of a US Wire Gauge Size 11 per the conversion tables. I can see how you might have equated it to a 6 AWG. Since 11 gauge wire is not commonly available in the US, you would have to use 12 gauge wire to be safe.

 

Current through the wire is the issue and not voltage or frequency. 12 gauge wire (or 4mm2) on any AC circuit (less than 600 volts) is good for up to a 20A breaker and a maximum of 16 amps of continuous current at either 120V or 230V. If you connect a European 230V (or US 240V) power source to a 32A breaker (as I have), the breaker would allow a huge current (up to about 30 amps before tripping) to pass through my 4mm2 wire. In order to handle that much current, I would need to replace the wiring with 6mm2 wire (or 10 AWG in the US). i do not want to do that, as I agree with you that Amel clearly planned for 4mm2 wiring on the 230V/50Hz shore power feeder, and hence the rationale for a 16A circuit breaker. Also I think you are correct that the vast majority of power systems available throughout Europe are indeed 16A rather than 32A.

 

Those are the reasons why I think the circuit breaker I have is wrong and I should degrade it to 16 amps at 230V. Of course, that would limit my power capacity, but I think that is what Amel would have installed. What size shore power connector and circuit breaker do you have?

 

Thanks,

Jamie Wendell

s/v Phantom Amel 54

 

 

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:59 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Jaimie,

 

I think that you are incorrect on required wire size. How did you calculate that it is wrong? Based on: Wire Circular mils =2 x ρ x I x L / (%Allowable Voltage drop of source voltage) 

 

4mm = 6 gauge...and 6 gauge is adequate for 230VAC 50htz for 200+ foot length at 3%Allowable Voltage drop.

 

Is it possible that you have made a mistake? Or, is it possible that your calculations of wire size are based on 110VAC common to the USA?

Also, I would assume that if Amel installed a 16 amp breaker in the lazarette that they would have used 16 amps for a reason...maybe because the vast majority of the 230VAC 50htz shore power connection in Europe and around the world happen to be 16 amp. There are some marinas with a 32 amp option, but not many. So, it is highly likely that the 16 amp breaker was intentional. We happen to be plugged into 230VAC 50htz 32 amp shore power now, but in this new marina, the 32 amp plug that we are using is the only one on our pontoon...30 other boats are plugged into 16 amps.

 

A word of advice to you. The last person you should doubt in terms of Amel systems design is Amel. And the last thing that you want to do with an Amel is to Un-Amel your Amel.

 

Also, I sent you a private message.

 

Bill

BeBe #387

 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:24 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

That definitely helps. So in your case all shore power feeds through the Mass GI 3.5, presumably protected by a 16A circuit breaker in the lazarette? Is that the size breaker you have?

 

I have a 32A breaker in the lazarette, which is too large for the 4mm2 wire Amel installed, and it would not safely protect that size isolation transformer.

 

I plan to change that to a 16A breaker and use a similarly- sized isolation transformer like yours (I am using the Victron 3.6 unit). I just want to be sure that the breaker doesn't trip all the time if AC loads exceed the 16 amps permitted.

 

Thanks,

Jamie Wendell

s/v Phantom Amel 54

 

 

On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:29 AM, "Wolfg ang Weber webercardio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

For your Information. 

This is the answer from Mastervolt concerning the Installation of charger/inverter on Amel 54

"The AC is not connected to the DC terminals inside, the DC is floating to the housing.
however, the AC input is not galphanic isolated from the shore, for this you need a isolation transformer, and create your own ships ground in your boat.
the combi Ultra has an option to switch on a ground relay, this means the neutral in AC output will be connected to the ground in inverter mode automatically. in charger mode (this means there is a AC input like a shore connection, then this relay will be deactivated, because theoretical, the hot and neutral line can be swapped, and you don't want the hot line to be connected to the ground.
our high frequency isolation transformer is 88000355 mass GI 3,5http://www.mastervolt.com/products/mass-gi/mass-gi-35-kva-16a-lightweight/

hope this helps,

best regards, 
Edwin van der Kroon"

 

Any comment ?  Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE  Amel 54 # 162

 

 

 

 

 



Main sail line tender

Donato Valente
 

Goodmorning,

Unfortunately my partner in Portorico has to change the gears on the
electric line tender on the boom of our SM 2000 (year 2004).
He is having the assistance of a local 'technician' but unsuccesfully.
The gears are completely gone and need to dismantle the whole line
tender since it seems blocked (rust, salt etc).
How to start to free the vertical shaft ? starting from the cap on
top, or freeing the bottom gears first.
I apologize for my very poor description.
Any suggestions ?
Is there any drawing on the net ?
Many thanks for your help

Donato
SM 486 Ocean Bird in Fajardo Puertorico




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Ing. Donato Valente
mobile:+39 392 5390810
Skype ID: donato.valente