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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

I do not know about the number of liveaboards in Marmaris, but in the Kas Marina where Sabbatical III spends the winter, there are as many as 40-50 % fewer boats on the hardstand than last year at the time that I left on 18 Nov. The weather was great so perhaps some boats deferred their haul-outs.

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM #419


    
On 12/15/2015 12:51 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Mark, That's interesting. I would sooner have the full ACMO. I wonder if the price reflects the lower value of the Lira and maybe the fact the yachts are staring to leave Turkey, as may be the case from what I have been reading about the noticeable absence of liveaboards in Marmaris this winter ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen SM 302 Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 15 December 2015 16:53
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu


Hi Ian and Judy,

Emek swages German wire to ACMO connectors and uses ACMO turnbuckles. In contract, if one orders the rigging from ACMO directly, my understanding is that they swage the wires at their factory and then send you the pre-swaged wires and all the other hardware. Still that is a good price from Emek as I was quoted 9000 euros by Emek last April.

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM #419
On 12/15/2015 11:36 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi All,

Thought you might be interested to hear of some quotes that I got from Emek on rerigging. They tell me that they use ACMO, have rerigged 22 Amels to date ( I guess through their subcontractor) and quote 8,000 Euros for the rigging and its installation.

Also, to replace the main outhaul gearbox they quote 660 Euros plus 120 Euros labour.

These seem to me to be reasonably competitive prices.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 15:58
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu


Bill, Mark, Alain, Bob & Suzanne, Colin & Laura,

Thanks for all your comments. Really useful and encouraging.

I look forward to hearing of Sabbatical's experience next spring.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 09:18
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu


Bill & Ian
Yes Riza does sell ACMO rigging. We purchased a complete set from him recently and had it air freighted to Australia along with a set of his davits. Everything arrived perfectly to spec and it has been easy for a local rigger install it for us. With all but the forestay and triac already fitted we have not had any problems replacing the rigging so far at all and absolutely every bit is new. Price was a little higher than the other quotes I've seen on this forum, plus we had to pay airfreight and import duty into Australia unfortunately, however with the Indian, two Atlantic crossings and the Pacific in front of us the investment provided good peace of mind rather than having it made up locally.
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53
Brisbane, Australia



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Bill, Thanks. We are looking closely at whether to cruise Turkey next year, though conscious of an old John Wayne line about why put yourself in a place of danger, so we will see how the refugee and Daesh story unfolds. It does seem that a lot of boats have already pulled out in the last few months, which could make Turkey the bargain of the E Med.
We are safely tucked up ashore but the Ionian could become a rather crowded sea next year.
In the meantime, if anyone has a good story about where to re-rig, using ACMO gear, in Turkey or Greece, it would be good to know.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Preveza


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:02:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Ian, last time I was at Emek, they had new inventory from ACMO for a Super Maramu.

I do not know the price, or whether they still have it, but it might be worth getting in touch with them...I think that they are a distributor for ACMO. I am fairly sure that EMEK subcontracts rigging work, just as Amel does at both yards. I do not know anyone that has had rigging work done at Emek.

Bill
BeBe #387
Tenerife Canary Islands

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,
I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece



To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the 7500 include VAT? If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey









--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Mark,  That's interesting. I would sooner have the full ACMO.   I wonder if the price reflects the lower value of the Lira and maybe the fact the yachts are staring to leave Turkey, as may be the case from what I have been reading about the noticeable  absence of liveaboards in Marmaris this winter ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen SM 302 Preveza

 




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 15 December 2015 16:53
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu
 


Hi Ian and Judy,

   Emek swages German wire to ACMO connectors and uses ACMO turnbuckles.  In contract, if one orders the rigging from ACMO directly, my understanding is that they swage the wires at their factory and then send you the pre-swaged wires and all the other hardware.  Still that is a good price from Emek as I was quoted 9000 euros by Emek last April.

    Mark Pitt
    Sabbatical III, ASM #419

On 12/15/2015 11:36 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi All,

                      Thought you might be interested to hear of some quotes that I got from Emek on re rigging. They tell me that they use ACMO, have rerigged 22 Amels to date ( I guess through their subcontractor) and quote 8,000 Euros for the rigging and its  installation.

 Also, to replace the main outhaul gearbox they quote 660 Euros plus 120 Euros labour.

 These seem to me to be reasonably competitive prices.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 15:58
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu
 


Bill, Mark, Alain, Bob & Suzanne, Colin & Laura,

                           

 Thanks for all your comments. Really useful and encouraging.

 I look forward to hearing of Sabbatical's experience next spring.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 09:18
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu
 


Bill & Ian
Yes Riza does sell ACMO rigging. We purchased a complete set from him recently and had it air freighted to Australia along with a set of his davits. Everything arrived perfectly to spec and it has been easy for a local rigger install it for us. With all but the forestay and triac already fitted we have not had any problems replacing the rigging so far at all and absolutely every bit is new. Price was a little higher than the other quotes I've seen on this forum, plus we had to pay airfreight and import duty into Australia unfortunately, however with the Indian, two Atlantic crossings and the Pacific in front of us the investment provided good peace of mind rather than having it made up locally.
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53
Brisbane, Australia



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Bill,    Thanks. We are looking closely at whether to cruise Turkey next year, though conscious of  an old John Wayne line about why put yourself in a place of danger, so we will see how the refugee and Daesh story unfolds. It does seem that a lot of boats have already pulled out in the last few months, which could make Turkey the bargain of the E Med.
 We are safely tucked up ashore but the Ionian could become a rather crowded sea next year.
 In the meantime, if anyone has a good story about where to re-rig, using ACMO gear, in Turkey or Greece, it would be good to know.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Preveza


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:02:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Ian, last time I was at Emek, they had new inventory from ACMO for a Super Maramu.

I do not know the price, or whether they still have it, but it might be worth getting in touch with them...I think that they are a distributor for ACMO. I am fairly sure that EMEK subcontracts rigging work, just as Amel does at both yards. I do not know anyone that has had rigging work done at Emek.

Bill
BeBe #387
Tenerife Canary Islands

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bob,
                   I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the €7500 include VAT?  If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey









--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water pump runs constantly.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

JP,

I wish that you had stated which water pump you have and what pressure the system is achieving....you did not, so my answers are in general terms.

The following is the most likely listed first:
  1. The one-way valve on the pump is not sealing
  2. The pressure switch and/or valve is malfunctioning
  3. The impeller is damaged or not keyed to the shaft.
  4. There is an open line or tap somewhere
Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:50 PM, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Gang,


I cannot find anything in the "conversations" though I recall it being discussed in the past. (The search function is hidden where???)


As the title says... I suspect it is a pressure sensor problem.  can anyone offer some guidance? Remember my girl is an early hull but most everything aboard is new...


Kind regards,


Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Emek swages German wire to ACMO connectors and uses ACMO turnbuckles. In contract, if one orders the rigging from ACMO directly, my understanding is that they swage the wires at their factory and then send you the pre-swaged wires and all the other hardware. Still that is a good price from Emek as I was quoted 9000 euros by Emek last April.

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM #419


On 12/15/2015 11:36 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi All,

Thought you might be interested to hear of some quotes that I got from Emek on rerigging. They tell me that they use ACMO, have rerigged 22 Amels to date ( I guess through their subcontractor) and quote 8,000 Euros for the rigging and its installation.

Also, to replace the main outhaul gearbox they quote 660 Euros plus 120 Euros labour.

These seem to me to be reasonably competitive prices.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 15:58
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu


Bill, Mark, Alain, Bob & Suzanne, Colin & Laura,

Thanks for all your comments. Really useful and encouraging.

I look forward to hearing of Sabbatical's experience next spring.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 09:18
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu


Bill & Ian
Yes Riza does sell ACMO rigging. We purchased a complete set from him recently and had it air freighted to Australia along with a set of his davits. Everything arrived perfectly to spec and it has been easy for a local rigger install it for us. With all but the forestay and triac already fitted we have not had any problems replacing the rigging so far at all and absolutely every bit is new. Price was a little higher than the other quotes I've seen on this forum, plus we had to pay airfreight and import duty into Australia unfortunately, however with the Indian, two Atlantic crossings and the Pacific in front of us the investment provided good peace of mind rather than having it made up locally.
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53
Brisbane, Australia



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Bill, Thanks. We are looking closely at whether to cruise Turkey next year, though conscious of an old John Wayne line about why put yourself in a place of danger, so we will see how the refugee and Daesh story unfolds. It does seem that a lot of boats have already pulled out in the last few months, which could make Turkey the bargain of the E Med.
We are safely tucked up ashore but the Ionian could become a rather crowded sea next year.
In the meantime, if anyone has a good story about where to re-rig, using ACMO gear, in Turkey or Greece, it would be good to know.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Preveza


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:02:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Ian, last time I was at Emek, they had new inventory from ACMO for a Super Maramu.

I do not know the price, or whether they still have it, but it might be worth getting in touch with them...I think that they are a distributor for ACMO. I am fairly sure that EMEK subcontracts rigging work, just as Amel does at both yards. I do not know anyone that has had rigging work done at Emek.

Bill
BeBe #387
Tenerife Canary Islands

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,
I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece



To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the 7500 include VAT? If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey









--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445






Fresh water pump runs constantly.

jgermain@...
 

Hi Gang,


I cannot find anything in the "conversations" though I recall it being discussed in the past. (The search function is hidden where???)


As the title says... I suspect it is a pressure sensor problem.  can anyone offer some guidance? Remember my girl is an early hull but most everything aboard is new...


Kind regards,


Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi All,

                      Thought you might be interested to hear of some quotes that I got from Emek on re rigging. They tell me that they use ACMO, have rerigged 22 Amels to date ( I guess through their subcontractor) and quote 8,000 Euros for the rigging and its  installation.

 Also, to replace the main outhaul gearbox they quote 660 Euros plus 120 Euros labour.

 These seem to me to be reasonably competitive prices.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 15:58
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu
 


Bill, Mark, Alain, Bob & Suzanne, Colin & Laura,

                           

 Thanks for all your comments. Really useful and encouraging.

 I look forward to hearing of Sabbatical's experience next spring.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 December 2015 09:18
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu
 


Bill & Ian
Yes Riza does sell ACMO rigging. We purchased a complete set from him recently and had it air freighted to Australia along with a set of his davits. Everything arrived perfectly to spec and it has been easy for a local rigger install it for us. With all but the forestay and triac already fitted we have not had any problems replacing the rigging so far at all and absolutely every bit is new. Price was a little higher than the other quotes I've seen on this forum, plus we had to pay airfreight and import duty into Australia unfortunately, however with the Indian, two Atlantic crossings and the Pacific in front of us the investment provided good peace of mind rather than having it made up locally.
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53
Brisbane, Australia



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,    Thanks. We are looking closely at whether to cruise Turkey next year, though conscious of  an old John Wayne line about why put yourself in a place of danger, so we will see how the refugee and Daesh story unfolds. It does seem that a lot of boats have already pulled out in the last few months, which could make Turkey the bargain of the E Med.
 We are safely tucked up ashore but the Ionian could become a rather crowded sea next year.
 In the meantime, if anyone has a good story about where to re-rig, using ACMO gear, in Turkey or Greece, it would be good to know.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Preveza


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:02:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Ian, last time I was at Emek, they had new inventory from ACMO for a Super Maramu.

I do not know the price, or whether they still have it, but it might be worth getting in touch with them...I think that they are a distributor for ACMO. I am fairly sure that EMEK subcontracts rigging work, just as Amel does at both yards. I do not know anyone that has had rigging work done at Emek.

Bill
BeBe #387
Tenerife Canary Islands

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bob,
                   I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the €7500 include VAT?  If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey









--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PHRF amel mango

Nat Bossett
 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:54:32AM -0500, Jessica Haas jhaas627@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hey guys looking for information on and best way to get PHRF for my 82
Amel Mango.
Which PHRF district? I'm going to be going through the same process this
spring for Northern California PHRF on the original Maramu.

Relatively few Amels have been rated; I think Detroit rated one of them
in the mid 2000's and Puerto Rico may have rated a Super Maramu more
recently. I think one also got some kind of rating to do a
round-Long-Island race.

The standard PHRF measurement form does include fields to enter mizzen
dimensions. It would be interesting to crunch some numbers and think
about the possibilities for handicapped downwind sail plan.

-Nathan

Maramu #29


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect

Wolfgang Weber
 

October 2015 : My light goes down to zero after 20 sec. testing with the switch to minus, 30 minutes later light is on again ... measured 0,05 mAmp.
I measured 0,22 Volt between Minus and bonding system.
Then I first started to remove every thing I pluged or connected to the boat in the last weeks.
I normally check the Electric mass defect detector before and after work on electric Equipment , but I could not remember if I did this the last time.
So my new rule : always write down the tests and checks into a logbook !
I once had a connection, when I made a connection via DVI cable from furuno Plotter to HDMI TV.
So I disconnected all the pumps each by another - problem not solved. I had to stop the work, because I had to take my flight home.
What I will do : checking the Bose system - Good idea .
- disconnect the negative group in the engineroom, so with disconnecting groups
may locate in groups and the test each item.

Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE Amel 54 # 162



Von meinem iPad gesendet


New main out haul car

william_maffei@...
 

Hi everyone -


As many of you know I was having a problem with my out haul and I thought it was the transmission jamming cause the motor was getting plenty of power and working sporadically. Well, I replaced the transmission after a rather long battle with the shaft. That still was not the problem but needed to be done so not a waste of time. The problem ended up being the car jamming on the end-stop. Simple enough and lesson learned, never haul the main in tight against the end-stop. Bad for transmission and car. I am in the process of ordering new end-stops for the track. My original Antal track measures 31mm x 31mm and Antal no longer makes a track with a height of 31mm, only a track that is 31mm x 21mm. 


I found this new car in the process of searching: 


http://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/1-Antal-Main-Cars-Size-110/ANT4110D.html


Looks like a pretty sweet upgrade to the existing car. My question is... Will this new car work on the existing track. The cross sections look identical. The only questions being the existing track height. 


Any thoughts?


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect

Barry Connor
 

Do you have a Bose system?
I had and still have a light on the minus when my audio is connected from the CD box to the main Bose system under the forward saloon seat. 
I am a new owner only bought in June.
My anodes only lasted 2 months. Just found the problem a few weeks ago.
Am contacting Bose.

Barry
Lady Penelope II
Amel 54 #17


On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:28 PM, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hallo to all in the group,


since a week now,I have the same problem:
when testing the electricity leak to the minus ,the light goes ON.

I would appreciate an advice ,what can it be and what is the plan to find it.

thanks,
Ofer
Alba Amel 54 #160


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ofer,

Sorry to read about your Mass problem…

August 2014 the Mass Circuit light would go one:
http://nikimat.com/mass_circuit_electrolysis_protection.html

Ian Shepherd SM2K #414 Crusader said it had that twice and on both occasion it was caused by a leaking seal on the toilet macerator pump.
It was also my case.
As Ian mentioned: I disconnected the positive and negative wires, tested the "mass circuit electric leak" and no more light! The leak was found.
Just in case, connected back and of course light back up!

Here is what Ian added later on:
Just a bit of logic which says that current leakage is most likely caused by sea water getting into something electrical through wear, such as the seals on an electrical motor.
This narrows it down quite a bit, and luck played its part by my looking at the macerator motors first. Don't think too deep.
The wiring on an Amel is pretty well installed and robust and so is unlikely to be at fault.

Later on did additional tests: which was trying to find the leak by switching Off the Head Diruptor in the engine room.
Unfortunately, it did not help finding the faulty device, I “guess” because connected to the positive wire.

I am not sure that I can assume since mine show “Negative Mass” you will find the leak from a negative wire, but it would be my “guess”.
To be in the safe side, I would disconnect both positive and negative wire one by one of all system onboard and see if the light stops.

Again, I am not knowledgeable enough and can only share my experience and how Ian helped me solve this issue.
Hope you get more feedback and please keep up posted.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Heaven Marina, Turks & Caicos



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 11/24/15, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2015, 2:28 PM


 









Hallo to all in the group,
since a week now,I have the same
problem:when testing the electricity leak to the
minus ,the light goes ON.
I would appreciate an advice ,what
can it be and what is the plan to find it.
thanks,OferAlba
Amel 54 #160









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head furling maintanence

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Probably, using the silicone allows the "filling-in" of irregular bumps and cracks in the gasket and the casing...it creates a better seal, especially when using an old gasket.

Sorry, I misread Finike for Fethiye. 

Bill

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:01 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill!
Thank you I don not think that kind of silicon is available in Finike where I am (ca 75 nM east of Fethiye), would "normal" outdoor one component silicon do the job?
Regards
Paul S/Y Kerpa SAM#259 winter in Finike



Re: Head furling maintanence

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill!
Thank you I don not think that kind of silicon is available in Finike where I am (ca 75 nM east of Fethiye), would "normal" outdoor one component silicon do the job?
Regards
Paul S/Y Kerpa SAM#259 winter in Finike


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head furling maintanence

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Sand as much as you can off of the casing, then prime it with metal primer before using a top coat of epoxy paint. You should probably paint the gray color part at the same time. I have seen the gasket applied with some Silicone RTV (RTV Silicone (room temperature vulcanization silicone) is a type of silicone rubber made from a two-component system (base plus curative; A+B) available in a hardness range of very soft to medium). I would use a thin coat of Silicone RTV...not glue.

Are you staying at Yacht Classic Hotel Dock in Fethiye? If so, say hello to Bob Rossi on KAIMI SM 429. And be sure to say hello to our friend Banu, one of the owners.

Bill
BeBe

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:18 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello!

I have dismantle the casing over the headsail furler motor, everything looked to my amatör eyes rather ok

some carbon dust that I vacuumed away.

Now to my questions:


The carbons protruded about 8 mm above its slot, assume that should be rather ok, no need to change?


The casing was sealed with only a rubber gasket, it looks as it has been some glue on one of the sides, as it is one of the most exposed positions on the boat I would like to know that I do what I can not to have any water to ingress into the casing, Shall I use the same gasket? add some special glue or ......


When dismantled, is there any other thing I can do to service the furling engine/Gear?


The case it rather corroded and most of the paint is gone, I though of put on some epoxi pant any advice?


Regards

Paul

S/K Kerpa SM#259 winter stay in Finike Turkey






Head furling maintanence

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

I have dismantle the casing over the headsail furler motor, everything looked to my amatör eyes rather ok

some carbon dust that I vacuumed away.

Now to my questions:


The carbons protruded about 8 mm above its slot, assume that should be rather ok, no need to change?


The casing was sealed with only a rubber gasket, it looks as it has been some glue on one of the sides, as it is one of the most exposed positions on the boat I would like to know that I do what I can not to have any water to ingress into the casing, Shall I use the same gasket? add some special glue or ......


When dismantled, is there any other thing I can do to service the furling engine/Gear?


The case it rather corroded and most of the paint is gone, I though of put on some epoxi pant any advice?


Regards

Paul

S/K Kerpa SM#259 winter stay in Finike Turkey





Engine Mechanics - Nothing to do with Jamie and Phantom

yahoogroups@...
 

John (Popeye Maramu #91) wrote, "As an Amel owner, having a mechanic critisize the installation, in this case the exhaust system, raises alarm bells. As far as I know that's nearly always is a red herring resulting in a mechanic getting more work before eventually the logic of Amel is realised."

 

This is so true. When any mechanic or surveyor...or any other so-called expert begins to say something like, "we don't do it that way," or, "...that isn't the way it is done," fire the mechanic.


There are dozens of stories in this Yahoo Group about "experts" who ruined some really fine Amels while quoting some other "expert."


Thanks for the reminder, John....so few words, but lots of really good advice! I hope everyone reads it!


Bill

BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat,
All the best to you and Diane for Christmas also. And to all you others in the Amel Family we wish you the very best for the Christmas season.
Danny And Yvonne
Ocean Pearl SM 299



From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I thought it to be a long shot and I know you usually find water in the oil. I thought perhaps a flaw in the gasket away from a oil passage but getting to a cylinder could result in lost compression , but I guess it would still fire on the other cylinders. My understanding is that if the secret switch was off or faulty  , the engine would not turn over . Thanks for getting back, and Diane and I wish you and Yvonne a Merry Christmas !
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2015 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Pat, I am no expert, I have just worked with diesel engines all my life. These weird problems baffle me too.With a blown head gasket usually only one or two cylinders are affected. With non electronic controlled engines with one the engine could start but be running on three. With two gone I would expect firing on the other two. Whether the electronics would make a difference I don't know. If the head gasket had blown during the last use (it wouldn't blow when unused) they would have heard the engine running rough or misfiring. Likewise with a warped head. Because of the sudden failure to start after a long successful run and no history of trouble I remain strongly suspicious it is an electrical/electronic fault. That's why I hoped a compression check could be done. The secret switch question highlights this. Does it have one? Is it faulty? Or is it a fault that mimics it.
We all feel for Jamie and I can see why he is leaning toward a new engine. I would have caved in long before now.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...?]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 







Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

jjjk12s@...
 

As this thread continues I am sure inferances that the problem is really simple and anyone else could fix it fairly easily must be very irritating.

I have two commercial boats as well as my Amel and all have engines with mechanical fuel pumps because this is exactly the sort of problem electronic engines have in the marine environment... when you have a fault it's so hard to know if it's mechanical, electrical or even just software. I'm sure anyone who has experience with engines where  a confident diagnosis of the problem is missing will sympathise with Jamie.

 

My understanding is the initial problem was diagnosed (after the engine was running fine) as the fuel pump not pressurising and the pump and ECU were changed and didn't fix it, and no error codes were found. The subsequent problem discovered was corrosion in the inlet manifold.

 

If Jamie can bear it, removing the head to see if there is any cylinder or valve damage associated with the corrosion in the inlet mainfold is worthwhile as the inside of the engine may well be fine. But this mainly relates to the second pronblem. Not knowing the whole picture I suspect he still has an underlying undiagnosed fuel issue, either relating to one of the changed parts being faulty or something wierd happening with a sensor affecting the electronic fuel pump management. Another possibility is something in the fuel system but we would have to assume that's the first thing the mechanics checked. I would also check the fuel return as well as supply as I wonder if a blocked fuel return pipe would directly or indirectly effect the pressure sensor in the pump. Probably unlikely but easy to check and often overlooked.

 

As an Amel owner, having a mechanic critisize the installation, in this case the exhaust system, raises alarm bells. As far as I know that's nearly always is a red herring resulting in a mechanic getting more work before eventually the logic of Amel is realised.

 

So far this very long thread has still not answered his problem. I think the main use is to help balance the tendency of modern mechanics to too readily change things rather than fix them to save time and effort and make the money from the sale, but I guess Jamie knew that already. It certainly has given him food for thought.  Hopefully it hasn't produced wild goose chases and will make him think carefully before redesigning the exhaust system and potentially devaluing his boat.

 

If I was him, and was that pissed-ff with the engine and was thinking of changing it, I would take it out and get the whole thing to a workshop to get them to try to fix it IN the workshop. I would still probably check the cylinder head first to confirm there was no expensive water related repairs required. If I still wanted to change the engine after seeing the cylinders and valves, and was going on the World ARC, I would probably buy the same engine again to save the very significant hidden costs and compexity of installing a different brand, sell the old block and keep as many spares as I could carry like water pump, starter motor, alternator, hoses, etc. But I'm not Jamie and haven't seen his boat.

 

John Maruma #91 Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I thought it to be a long shot and I know you usually find water in the oil. I thought perhaps a flaw in the gasket away from a oil passage but getting to a cylinder could result in lost compression , but I guess it would still fire on the other cylinders. My understanding is that if the secret switch was off or faulty  , the engine would not turn over . Thanks for getting back, and Diane and I wish you and Yvonne a Merry Christmas !
Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2015 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Pat, I am no expert, I have just worked with diesel engines all my life. These weird problems baffle me too.With a blown head gasket usually only one or two cylinders are affected. With non electronic controlled engines with one the engine could start but be running on three. With two gone I would expect firing on the other two. Whether the electronics would make a difference I don't know. If the head gasket had blown during the last use (it wouldn't blow when unused) they would have heard the engine running rough or misfiring. Likewise with a warped head. Because of the sudden failure to start after a long successful run and no history of trouble I remain strongly suspicious it is an electrical/electronic fault. That's why I hoped a compression check could be done. The secret switch question highlights this. Does it have one? Is it faulty? Or is it a fault that mimics it.
We all feel for Jamie and I can see why he is leaning toward a new engine. I would have caved in long before now.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...?]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 





B&G Hydra 2000 Depth Gauge Calibration

Mark Erdos
 

Does anyone have a quick guide or cheat-sheet on how to adjust the B&G Hydra 2000 depth calibration? Also, if someone knows how low below the waterline the transducer is mounted (or how high it is above the bottom of the keel), this would be most helpful and save me a dive with a tape measure.

 

I think I may have lost my settings when we had to disconnect the battery bank when replacing the Link10. The depth gauge use to read depth under the keel. If it read zero, I was aground (ask me how I know this). But now, I think it reads the distance from the transducer to the floor.

 

I have the instructions and it says datum is entered under DEPTH ® DEPTH, CALBRATE ® DEPTH  

 

I swear reading this instructional book is like reading IRS instructions.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay, Bahamas