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Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Update for today: Merry Christmas!  I get to sit around sipping egg nog and puttering about before guests arrive. Then we're looking at a great dinner and some family time.

In the meantime I got to modify the "Members" Profile page and instead of things like "ICQ, AIM" and other hardly used info I added Boat Model, Year and Hull Number fields. None of it's required during registration (which is still open and it looks like about 20 folks have signed up) but you can add it by going to your Profile section.

I still have to chase a couple of 'permissions' gremlins as some categories aren't allowing replies (yet).  I think I will have to go through each board and make sure nothing is 'inheriting' problems downstream.  

Other than that I think I need some feedback on the categories.  The conundrum is that there is a section on "Super Maramu" discussion, and then another section in maintenance which rightly could include Super Maramu mechanics and electronics.  Just wondering if this seems redundant of if things would be better served with just leaving the boat model categories all inclusive and deleting the whole maintenance board.  The search function is going to be much more robust so I don't know if there is a huge benefit to many categories within the boards.  Having said that, I'm not going to change/delete/add any boards for a while to see if things remain stable as is.

It's only been a few days after all :)

Take care,

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Gary,
        You deserve all credit. I wasn't in favour of this at all, but after taking most of the day to understand how to access the site because I kept trying "networks" as opposed to net - some people really are that stupid!
I think it is a much better platform and layout than what we currently have.
I tried a couple of postings, modified them, put them back,etc. and it all works very simply.
Thank you you for all your hard work and good luck with the next part.
Happy Christmas.
Trevor
Seafever


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Aldo Roldan
 

Gary
This is great. The project speaks of an enormous potential and ease to harness the accumulated knowledge that has been poured in by the members.  I am all for it.  I encourage the group to speak.
Aldo


On Dec 24, 2015, at 2:55 PM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

OK, update.

I have the photo gallery set to accept uploads from members. 2500x2500 resolution max. I may have to shrink that a little if I figure on 10,000 photos someday :)
I haven't figured out how to make "albums" yet, but it'll likely reveal itself soon.
I have secured a smidge over 100 Gbytes to start with.
I'm going to just sit on it for a few days to let folks look it over.
As far as know, I can't just "migrate" the Yahoo board over. That might take a lot of cut and paste, or figuring out how to pull everything into an archive of dome sort. Not going to dig into that part unless folks generally want to eventually switch over.
Finally, I will be reorganizing the boards and categories for better permissions control. Not planning on losing anything, but there's always a chance.
For a fresh install, it seems to be very stable; a tribute to Simple Machines and open source software.

To reiterate, I have spent $0 on the project thus far and it won't cost anything extra (above my current hosting costs) unless we start ramping up bandwidth with a ton of videos or something.

If/when it starts tagging me out of pocket, I'll gladly post a members only viewable accounting of it and hoist up the "donate here" PayPal button.

I think the only other concern might be longevity/continuity.
My plan is to recruit a second Administration and two or three moderators. If I am absent, they can handle things.
If I choose to bail out, the domain, hosting and files can just get transferred to a new owner and ISP.

OK, that's today's news.

Best wishes for a very merry Christmas!

Gary W
SM 209 Adagio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

OK, update.

I have the photo gallery set to accept uploads from members. 2500x2500 resolution max. I may have to shrink that a little if I figure on 10,000 photos someday :)
I haven't figured out how to make "albums" yet, but it'll likely reveal itself soon.
I have secured a smidge over 100 Gbytes to start with.
I'm going to just sit on it for a few days to let folks look it over.
As far as know, I can't just "migrate" the Yahoo board over. That might take a lot of cut and paste, or figuring out how to pull everything into an archive of dome sort. Not going to dig into that part unless folks generally want to eventually switch over.
Finally, I will be reorganizing the boards and categories for better permissions control. Not planning on losing anything, but there's always a chance.
For a fresh install, it seems to be very stable; a tribute to Simple Machines and open source software.

To reiterate, I have spent $0 on the project thus far and it won't cost anything extra (above my current hosting costs) unless we start ramping up bandwidth with a ton of videos or something.

If/when it starts tagging me out of pocket, I'll gladly post a members only viewable accounting of it and hoist up the "donate here" PayPal button.

I think the only other concern might be longevity/continuity.
My plan is to recruit a second Administration and two or three moderators. If I am absent, they can handle things.
If I choose to bail out, the domain, hosting and files can just get transferred to a new owner and ISP.

OK, that's today's news.

Best wishes for a very merry Christmas!

Gary W
SM 209 Adagio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Stephen Davis
 

Very nice job Gary, and thanks for all the hard work. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Fajardo, Puerto Rico

On Dec 24, 2015, at 07:08, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Have been on other forums that use this set-up and it usually works perfect! 
Thank you Gary for your hard work!

We crossed The Atlantic to Europe in May 2015, if you want any info, please feel free to contact me. By the way, they must have produced a lot of boats in 1998, we have no 232. 
Maybe we will meet somewhere in the Med 2016.

Merry Christmas and get well soon
/ Annsofie & Jonas 
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232, 1998
Present in Licata, Sicilly.

Skickat från min iPad

24 dec. 2015 kl. 05:22 skrev gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Kent, 


I think I just have to figure out what I did with the permissions on the individual categories.  I may have set the whole category to read only instead of just the message.  Yep, there's a lot of options, whistles and bells and switches to play with :)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Have been on other forums that use this set-up and it usually works perfect! 
Thank you Gary for your hard work!

We crossed The Atlantic to Europe in May 2015, if you want any info, please feel free to contact me. By the way, they must have produced a lot of boats in 1998, we have no 232. 
Maybe we will meet somewhere in the Med 2016.

Merry Christmas and get well soon
/ Annsofie & Jonas 
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232, 1998
Present in Licata, Sicilly.

Skickat från min iPad

24 dec. 2015 kl. 05:22 skrev gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Kent, 


I think I just have to figure out what I did with the permissions on the individual categories.  I may have set the whole category to read only instead of just the message.  Yep, there's a lot of options, whistles and bells and switches to play with :)



Re: Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO

seafeverofcuan@...
 

JP,
    I first cleaned my 100HP Yanmar at 2000 hours with Barnacle Buster, at 2500 hours I had it  and the Onan cleaned again by "professionals" that led on to the transmission heat exchanger failing on the Yanmar.
I pulled it at 2900 hours and had it cleaned again and fitted with new gaskets and seals, the exhaust elbow was removed each time and cleaned.
Neither part was excessively dirty at any time.
The only overheating heating issue that I have experienced with the Yanmar was due to the Johnson raw water pump on the Yanmar wearing out the bronze housing, due to the silt in the rivers in Brazil.
It took me a while to figure it out and only when I measured the inside of the housing with a Vernier discovered around 3mm of wear leading to cavitation on start up.
The engine currently has 3500 hours and when I finally sell Seafever, I will only have a Yanmar on whatever replaces her.
Happy Christmas.
Regards.
Trevor
seafever
SM 425 Redline
Mexico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO

Mark Erdos
 

JP,



If you have a turbo charger, you probably will also have an after cooler in addition to the heat exchanger. Both should be cleaned. However, I think the recommendation from your mechanic to do it at every 600 hours is excessive (find a new mechanic). If both are moderately clogged, you can still have normal operating temperatures at lower RPMs. If it has never been cleaned you may see increases in operating temperature at high RPMs (90% of full load). In the case of the after cooler, the symptoms are not as easy to spot. Since it cools air returning to the piston chamber, if it is failing you might not get top performance from the engine. You could blow out a little more black smoke but it will be hard to tell. A dirty after cooler could also increase fuel consumption and add strain to the turbo charger. Again, hard to tell.



I would suggest scheduled cleanings somewhere between 1000 and 2000 hours. If you are handy with a spanner, this is not a hard DIY job. There are many YouTube videos on cleaning heat exchangers. If you do it yourself, be sure to etch a mark on the inner core so you know how to orient the exchanger when putting it back together.



I am not as familiar with the Volvo as I am the Yanmar. On the Yanmar it is possible to remove the end of the heat exchanger to inspect the inner core without having to remove a lot of other stuff. It should be spotless. Any buildup will impede the performance of the engine.





With best regards,



Mark



Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising: Green Turtle Cove – Abacos Islands - Bahamas



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of galacsea2000
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO





I would be interested in feedback from SM2K or Amel 54 owners (engines with Turbo, not atmospheric) regarding regular intervals for cleaning the heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow.

My engine has 2500 hours and temperature remains constant at about 79 to 80 degrees C (never exceeding 81 degrees C at full throttle) but I was recently told by a Volvo mechanics that the heat exchanger should be open/clean every 600 hours !! Mine was never open, having assumed that, as soon as the heat exchanger would not do its job any more, I would see some increase in running temperature.

All comments most welcome
JP, the UN-mechanics







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Re: Changes to Yahoo

n33077@...
 

Thank you Gary. First blush; all looks well. I registered and it's nice that one can his / her profile. Clean simple and elegant; just like Henri would have done...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I cleaned my Yanmar (100hp Turbo) heat exchanger at about 2,000 hours because the temperature would rise at higher speeds. It was perfectly clean and did not need cleaning. Be sure that you have the Yanmar replacement gaskets and O rings for this job before you start. They take time to get because many dealers do not stock them...this may be because many owners do not clean the heat exchangers.

BTW, it turned out that the heating problem was some debris small enough to get through the salt water strainer in the Vetus sea chest, but larger than the small holes inside the transmission oil cooler. About every 2 or 3 years, loosen the hose clamp on the rubber boot on the sea chest side of the transmission oil cooler and using a wet/dry vacuum, suck out any debris that is lodged there.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 3:51 AM, galacsea2000 <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

I would be interested in feedback from SM2K or Amel 54 owners (engines with Turbo, not atmospheric) regarding regular intervals for cleaning the heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow.

My engine has 2500 hours and temperature remains constant at about 79 to 80 degrees C (never exceeding 81 degrees C at full throttle) but I was recently told by a Volvo mechanics that the heat exchanger should be open/clean every 600 hours !! Mine was never open, having assumed that, as soon as the heat exchanger would not do its job any more, I would see some increase in running temperature.

All comments most welcome
JP, the UN-mechanics




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Kent, 

I think I just have to figure out what I did with the permissions on the individual categories.  I may have set the whole category to read only instead of just the message.  Yep, there's a lot of options, whistles and bells and switches to play with :)



Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

I would be interested in feedback from SM2K or Amel 54 owners (engines with Turbo, not atmospheric) regarding regular intervals for cleaning the heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow.

My engine has 2500 hours and temperature remains constant at about 79 to 80 degrees C (never exceeding 81 degrees C at full throttle) but I was recently told by a Volvo mechanics that the heat exchanger should be open/clean every 600 hours !! Mine was never open, having assumed that, as soon as the heat exchanger would not do its job any more, I would see some increase in running temperature.

All comments most welcome
JP, the UN-mechanics



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fakir heater replacement

jsrogers@...
 

Hello Steve and Liz Davis.  Regarding your recent upgrades, what did you use for navigation equipment? and what model Yanmar did you install?  Thank you.

John Rogers
SM #105


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

karkauai
 

Hi, Gary,
This looks like a real step in the right direction.
While looking around, I found a few of your posts that had no "Reply" option.  How does one reply if that's not an option?
Thanks for taking this on, I know you've spent a lot of time already just thinking about it before you actually started working on it.

Merry Christmas,
Kent
SM243
Kristy




From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

 
Gary,
Thank you,
Looks like the start of a great website.
I am glad to see you liked the BVI’S.
We spent 5 winters there in the 90’s.
Do you still need long pants in the dining room of Peter Island?
 
Where did you leave your boat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo
 
 
OK, since I was fighting a cold I put up a Forum.
www.amelowners.net works. It is an "alpha" which means I don't expect everything to work and I know there's more to do to get functionality and security up to speed (Google's already been sniffing around indexing it :)

If you wish to have a look please feel free to peruse the board.

It is not a functional repository for data or messages yet so don't put anything up that you can't afford to see deleted if I start over.

Feel free to register, post, upload, attach and fool around with it. I've put up a 'suggestions" topic under the Information header and will welcome feedback, ideas, bug reports and volunteers.

The board's email function is currently off.

Like I said, this is a first crack at it and I'm skirting the edge of my geek skill set, but I'm still learning.

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

eric freedman
 

Gary,

Thank you,

Looks like the start of a great website.

I am glad to see you liked the BVI’S.

We spent 5 winters there in the 90’s.

Do you still need long pants in the dining room of Peter Island?

 

Where did you leave your boat?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

 

 

OK, since I was fighting a cold I put up a Forum.
www.amelowners.net works. It is an "alpha" which means I don't expect everything to work and I know there's more to do to get functionality and security up to speed (Google's already been sniffing around indexing it :)

If you wish to have a look please feel free to peruse the board.

It is not a functional repository for data or messages yet so don't put anything up that you can't afford to see deleted if I start over.

Feel free to register, post, upload, attach and fool around with it. I've put up a 'suggestions" topic under the Information header and will welcome feedback, ideas, bug reports and volunteers.

The board's email function is currently off.

Like I said, this is a first crack at it and I'm skirting the edge of my geek skill set, but I'm still learning.

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

OK, since I was fighting a cold I put up a Forum.
www.amelowners.net works. It is an "alpha" which means I don't expect everything to work and I know there's more to do to get functionality and security up to speed (Google's already been sniffing around indexing it :)

If you wish to have a look please feel free to peruse the board.

It is not a functional repository for data or messages yet so don't put anything up that you can't afford to see deleted if I start over.

Feel free to register, post, upload, attach and fool around with it. I've put up a 'suggestions" topic under the Information header and will welcome feedback, ideas, bug reports and volunteers.

The board's email function is currently off.

Like I said, this is a first crack at it and I'm skirting the edge of my geek skill set, but I'm still learning.

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"


Copper tube at bottom of holding tank

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Hi all,


I have just replaced the copper tube at the bottom of the forward holing tank with a pvc pipe (40mm OD).  It fit the outflow hose perfectly but had to be sanded down by about a mm to fit into the bottom of the holding tank.  The silicone sealant I used going into the holding tank actually made it easier to insert the new pipe.


I am not sure why Amel used copper pipe both here and on the entry to the holding tank - it seems like a poor choice of material.


I will post a picture of the pipe that failed.


Derick


SM2K#400 Brava

Currently at Pointe a Pitre, Guadeloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Administrative Question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

  1. Go to the Group at: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/info
  2. Click on Membership in the top right corner (you may have to sign in)
  3. Select Edit Membership
  4. Go to Subscription and click on the pencil to edit
Same process for any change

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:24 PM, jeff wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

How do I shift the mode of my incoming Amel User Group messages from full text of every message to a digest format?  I am trying to reduce volume while we are en route.

Then how do I shift back?

Thank you,

Jeff
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

eric freedman
 

Thanks Kent,

Happy holidays,

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

I'm working on this Eric. It won't be posted til after Christmas.

Merry Christmas to all!

Kent

SM 243

Kristy


On Dec 19, 2015, at 12:34 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

Would you mind summarizing the steps you have taken to measure your ”problem”

and your findings?

 

What do you perceive is wrong? Is it the fact that there is voltage between the bonding and the 24 volt battery negative.

 

As an additional thought, there is a battery shunt behind the outboard side of the battery bank “tub”.

The negative for the entire battery bank is connected to one side of the shunt an the DC for the boat is connected to the other side.

Did you inspect it to see if there is some type of short between it and the bonding.

 

My second thought is possibly the battery monitor has some connection to the bonding somewhere.

On the shunt there are some small wires to operate the battery monitor. Did you try  disconnecting all of them,  let them hang and try to see if you still have a connection between the bonding and the DC negative?

Don’t forget to mark them as to where they go.  Leave the big negative cables connected to the shunt otherwise you will have no DC on the boat.

 

You did check the bonding between  the DC negative and the case of the battery charger ?

Also the inverter.  Did you isolate these items?

 

Really grabbing at straws here.

However you have peaked my interest and I can’t wait to get back to Kimberlite and see what I find.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

Did you open and remove the fuse behind the battery switches?

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 12:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Hi Eric,

Yes, there are two cables and one small wire on the (+) and (-) poles on the battery side of the 24v switch.

*Battery cable

*24v charger cable

*"Permanent " wire for the 

24->12v converter that powers the radio and retains its memory.

 

I have the same issue whether the charger and Permanent are connected or not.

 

I had an electrician come to the boat today from Savannah who does mostly galvanic/electrolytic surveys for a living. He spent several hours on the boat with me and checked everything thoroughly.  While he couldn't identify the source of the 24vDC between the battery (+) and the bonding system, he was convinced that it has nothing to do with my zincs disappearing too quickly.  There is no change in hull potential when this is present (battery switch on) versus absent(battery switch off).

Although the 24vDC does light a 2.5 watt bulb, there is infinite resistance when checking the battery (-) to bonding system.

 

He says most 53' boats with all the systems we have use 2-3 times as much zinc as we do.

 

While I don't like the fact that I don't have a clear explanation, I don't know of anything else to do but keep a close watch on my zincs and hull potential.

 

I'll keep posting as I learn more or find new issues that shed light on this.

 

Merry Christmas!

Kent

SM243

Kristy 



On Dec 18, 2015, at 7:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Possibly I do not remember correctly, but I thought there was an inline fuse just hanging from some a wire

behind the battery switches. I think that has to do with memory of the cd changer/radio. Just a memory from 13 years ago at the Amel introductory class. I wish I was on board to check it for you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Thanks, John.  That's what I've decided to do with my 220AC system.

 

Now chasing down a connection between 24v DC (+) main cable (that goes from the main battery switch to the lug on the foreword bulkhead in the engine room...disconnected from all other cables at the lug) and the bonding system.  When checking resistance, it is a solid (no resistance) connection that carries enough amps to light a test bulb when the main battery switch is on and all 24v breakers are off (including the ones in the engine room, passageway, and foreword port locker).  When the switch is off it has no voltage, but still shows a no resistance connection.  If I disconnect battery + cable in the battery compartment, the connection disappears.  The negative side shows no connection or voltage with the switch either on or off.

 

The only 24v equipment that is connected to the battery side of the main switch is the Charles 60 Amp charger, and the "Permanent " 24->12V Sailor transformer under the Nav station.

 

Does any of this suggest to anyone where the connection is?

 

I'm in the Jacksonville FL area, does anyone know of a good...make that Great...marine electrician nearby?

 

Thanks again everyone for your patience and help.

Kent 

SM243

Kristy 

Fernandina Beach FL



On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:22 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Is this a case of PREVIOUSLY the risk was so small, and the disandvatages significant, that the AC generator ground - neutral connection was not made, whereas nowadays, with readily available galvanic isolators and a more litiginous society the small risk overcomes the disadvantages and it should be connected. So it would be sensible to modify older designs that may have been correct at the time where circumstances have moved on. Amels have always evolved so modifying an older Amel to mirror a newer Amel's systems seems totally in order and not messing with Cpt Henry's concepts.

 

John

Maramu #91 1981


Administrative Question

jeff wingfield <ki4jde@...>
 

How do I shift the mode of my incoming Amel User Group messages from full text of every message to a digest format?  I am trying to reduce volume while we are en route.

Then how do I shift back?

Thank you,

Jeff
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