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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Glitchy starting Yanmar 100HP

Mark Erdos
 

Old development, now more curious: the red "STOP" button by the key not always turns off the engine right away when depressed continuously.  Sometimes must lift finger, make a second or even third, long attempt.”

 

This may not be a coincidence. This button controls the fuel cut solenoid on the fuel injection pump. This is how the Yanmar stops. If this solenoid is sticking, it would cause the engine not to start or problematic shutting down. However, I think your issue is the starter since the engine does not crank properly. Failure to crank should be checked in this order: battery, panel, starter. The panel can be bypassed by using a heavy duty start switch on the starter: http://www.amazon.com/OTC-3650-Heavy-Duty-Remote-Starter/dp/B002YKFA3G  The clamps on this are connected to S terminal (usually a white or white with red stripe wire is there and has to be pulled off to make this connection) and the other is connected to the POS (big) post on the starter. When the button is pushed it will cause the starter and solenoid to engage thus cranking the engine. This is a much safer method than using a screwdriver on the terminals of the starter. Using a screwdriver can cause sparking or worse. It will also damage the screwdriver and may even weld it permanently to the starter terminals. If the engine fails to crank, replace the starter. If the engine does crank, you have an issue in the control panel.

 

Hope this helps. Good luck with the repair.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abacos Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Glitchy starting Yanmar 100HP

 

 

Thank you Eric, Trevor, Mark, Bob, James,

 

Yes, the engine fails to crank at all in most cases or cranks and locks up after a very tiny fraction of a turn.  If it cranks, then immediately the engine works correctly.

 

New development: start is now also now being glitchy even when the engine is at operating temperature, even if turned off for just five minutes or so.

 

Old development, now more curious: the red "STOP" button by the key not always turns off the engine right away when depressed continuously.  Sometimes must lift finger, make a second or even third, long attempt.

 

I have 

- checked all connections I could and used contact cleaner, including the negative to the starter

- tried depressing the button on the isolation solenoid (our solenoid was replaced at La Rochelle 5 months ago).  Oddly, the few times this has been done the engine has started on the second attempt after depressing.  Could be entirely coincidental.

- not checked the battery neg connection on the engine block (located just forward of the starter) as I couldn't reach it and did not want to start disassembling

- not shorted the solenoid on the starter, as I don't know how to do that

- not shorted the isolation solenoid, as I don't know how to do that

- not able to check the square thing (solenoid?) forward of the isolation solenoid

 

We have ordered two starters from eBay.   One from Germany and one from England.  Three Yanmar dealers in Spain all asked us to call them on Monday, when they would begin to check if Yanmar Netherlands have any in stock, and then it might be 4 to 8 days.



Happy New Year to all,





Peregrinus,

SM2K No. 350

Stuck in Benalmádena until starting issues are addressed


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Graham

 

Is the propeller still there? It is designed to break off at the plastic bolts if it catches something? If the motor is still turning but there is no propulsion this would seem the most likely cause, either that or it was not properly descended into the water – I think it is possible in older Maramus for the bow thruster to be actuated when not completely down.

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

 

 

I'm a very new owner of a Maramu and yesterday I had an apparent failure of the bow thruster.  Although it was obvious that the motor was turning, the bow did not respond.  After I got on to my berth (with difficulty - I'm still learning to handle it in reverse!) I tried it again and it worked normally. 

 

Can anyone offer an explanation and, if possible, a course of action. I considered cavitation (unlikely, I think), or the prop slipping on its drive shaft or some foreign object like a plastic bag or piece of weed obstructing the prop. 

 

Can anyone offer other ideas or experience? 

 

Graham Cresswell

SV Jamesby

Maramy #240

 

 

 


Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Graham,
           do you have an audible alarm and light to establish that the bow thruster is fully extended and in place before you try to use it?
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
SM 425
Mexico


Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

grahamjcresswell@...
 

I'm a very new owner of a Maramu and yesterday I had an apparent failure of the bow thruster.  Although it was obvious that the motor was turning, the bow did not respond.  After I got on to my berth (with difficulty - I'm still learning to handle it in reverse!) I tried it again and it worked normally. 


Can anyone offer an explanation and, if possible, a course of action. I considered cavitation (unlikely, I think), or the prop slipping on its drive shaft or some foreign object like a plastic bag or piece of weed obstructing the prop. 


Can anyone offer other ideas or experience? 

Graham Cresswell
SV Jamesby
Maramy #240




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Glitchy starting Yanmar 100HP

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Thank you Eric, Trevor, Mark, Bob, James,

Yes, the engine fails to crank at all in most cases or cranks and locks up after a very tiny fraction of a turn.  If it cranks, then immediately the engine works correctly.

New development: start is now also now being glitchy even when the engine is at operating temperature, even if turned off for just five minutes or so.

Old development, now more curious: the red "STOP" button by the key not always turns off the engine right away when depressed continuously.  Sometimes must lift finger, make a second or even third, long attempt.

I have 
- checked all connections I could and used contact cleaner, including the negative to the starter
- tried depressing the button on the isolation solenoid (our solenoid was replaced at La Rochelle 5 months ago).  Oddly, the few times this has been done the engine has started on the second attempt after depressing.  Could be entirely coincidental.
- not checked the battery neg connection on the engine block (located just forward of the starter) as I couldn't reach it and did not want to start disassembling
- not shorted the solenoid on the starter, as I don't know how to do that
- not shorted the isolation solenoid, as I don't know how to do that
- not able to check the square thing (solenoid?) forward of the isolation solenoid

We have ordered two starters from eBay.   One from Germany and one from England.  Three Yanmar dealers in Spain all asked us to call them on Monday, when they would begin to check if Yanmar Netherlands have any in stock, and then it might be 4 to 8 days.

Happy New Year to all,


Peregrinus,
SM2K No. 350
Stuck in Benalmádena until starting issues are addressed


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Ben
We have a Rocna 40 KG and it fits perfectly. We have 3 rollers and it fits on the starboard side. When mooring we lift the Rocna onto the deck so it does not chafe or get caught on the mooring line. We love our Rocna and have had it for 7 years.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in Trinidad


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:56:22 -0800
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

 

Has anyone successfully installed a Rocna 40 on a SM with dual bow rollers?  I'm looking at a 33 or 40 kg Rocna for our boat 


Ben Driver 
La Bella Vita 
SM #347




Re: Washing powder or liquid washing soap for Thompson clothes washers in SM?

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

On Peregrinus we use those dissolving transparent plastic pellets containing detergent and clothes softener.  One per wash, never more.  

In the U.S., Tide brand.  In Europe, Ariel brand.  They are exactly the same, made by P&G world-wide.  

In any event, in the U.S. we would use any "H-E" ("high-efficiency") laundry detergent, as that is U.S.-speak for Euro-style vertical drum washers such as the Thomson.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350 (2002)
Benalmádena


Re: Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

In 2012, we tried a Rocna on the starboard anchor roller while keeping the factory FOB on the port anchor roller.  Major conflict, the Rocna was not able to fully retract and settle and just hanged out dangerously.

The Rocna was returned the same day and a Delta 40Kg installed instead.  There is minor conflict with the FOB.  The conflict is so minor as to be meaningless.  Deltas are "2nd and half"-generation technology, and therefore obsolete by modern standards.  We've since used the Delta to anchor out about 500 nights, I'd say.  We dragged a number of times during our first year cruising, so we use a Garmin hand-held as anchor alarm.   

For peace of mind, we would prefer a Rocna, a Spade, or one of those cool-looking Euro Rocna-look-alikes Amel now installs, but things are what they are.

We've never used the FOB, even though SM2K #350 is one of the few to have a factory-installed second gypsy exclusively dedicated to the port anchor.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K #350
Benalmádena


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

karkauai
 

Gary is right, same thing on Kristy.  Run your mooring line over the second roller.
Kent


On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:42 AM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes, fits nicely on hull #209 without mods. What you will find is that the Rocna has sharp edges that will chafe the bridle at a mooring. I chose to run the mooring lines through the 2nd anchor roller to keep them away from the anchor's spade.


Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

karkauai
 

I have a Rocna 40 on SM243, Ben.  It fit perfectly and snugs up on the roller without a mm to spare.  I've never come unhooked with this anchor, which I have affectionately named "Rocky".
Kent


On Dec 30, 2015, at 6:56 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone successfully installed a Rocna 40 on a SM with dual bow rollers?  I'm looking at a 33 or 40 kg Rocna for our boat 


Ben Driver 

La Bella Vita 

SM #347



Re: Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

Gary Wells
 

Yes, fits nicely on hull #209 without mods. What you will find is that the Rocna has sharp edges that will chafe the bridle at a mooring. I chose to run the mooring lines through the 2nd anchor roller to keep them away from the anchor's spade.

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement Microwave

eric freedman
 

I just saw this in the Panasonic manual—quite interesting with respect to the width —I wonder how they do it—Must be a special Japanese trick

 

Exterior Dimemsions (W×H×D)

525×310×414 mm

Interior Dimensions (W×H×D)

539×247×362 mm

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement Microwave

 

 

My microwave bit the dust and I saw a post from SM88 as to a replacement microwave.

My hull is 376,Anyone with a hull number close to mind would you mind to please measure your microwave and see  if it is near the dimensions on the suggested Panasonic one measuring

Exterior Dimensions (W×H×D)

525×310×414 mm

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Replacement Microwave

eric freedman
 

My microwave bit the dust and I saw a post from SM88 as to a replacement microwave.

My hull is 376,Anyone with a hull number close to mind would you mind to please measure your microwave and see  if it is near the dimensions on the suggested Panasonic one measuring

Exterior Dimensions (W×H×D)

525×310×414 mm

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] What to order from Amel.

eric freedman
 

I do not know the length of your dipstick, however if it is Plexiglas with holes in it and about 2 meters long, it will cost a fortune to FedEx it as it is so long.

If it is, I would suggest you go to a place that sell Plexiglas and have them cut a strip for you.

You can use the old stick as a template.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] What to order from Amel.

 

 

We are planning to redo the rigging this spring and will order the parts from AMCO/Amel

 

there are a few other items we need, such as the fuel tank stick....probably will service the winches and windlass, ...bow thruster.   

 

What other parts should i order from Amel (ie can only get from amel) as long as i need to pay shipping.  1993 Amel Santorin. 


Rocna 40 kg anchor on SM with dual bow rollers

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Has anyone successfully installed a Rocna 40 on a SM with dual bow rollers?  I'm looking at a 33 or 40 kg Rocna for our boat 


Ben Driver 

La Bella Vita 

SM #347



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Speed

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Bill yes we sailed up from Grenada in 2.5 day run on a nice reach. Due to some crew schedule issues we shall layup here for a few weeks and continue north toward Bermuda saying in the warm waters on the easterly trades before turning left to Norfolk to clear in. We have made a few repairs before starting out she a good old boat that with some TLC will do Jay well. 
Happy New Years

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
603-767-5330

On Dec 20, 2015, at 09:41, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

You are not going to find (m)any racers in the Amel Yacht Owners Group. Most people that buy Amels don't race them, but it is a wonderful downwind boat for crossing oceans.

Has Captain Pillar left Grenada in your newly acquired Mango?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:15 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Anybody know the PHRF and max hull speed on the Amel Mango? US Sailing does not list it.

Thanks
Jay



What to order from Amel.

ericmeury@...
 

We are planning to redo the rigging this spring and will order the parts from AMCO/Amel


there are a few other items we need, such as the fuel tank stick....probably will service the winches and windlass, ...bow thruster.   


What other parts should i order from Amel (ie can only get from amel) as long as i need to pay shipping.  1993 Amel Santorin. 


essential spares

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Starter motors are essential spares. They are 100 dollars when you don't need one and 1000 dollars from the official Yanmar dealer when you do and he knows that you are stuck.

All learnt the hard way.

Best wishes to all of the group for 2016.

Trevor

Seafever

SM 425 Redline 2004

For sale 

$295k

Mexico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Glitchy starting Yanmar 100HP

eric freedman
 

You might consider having a spare starter –they are inexpensive if not sold by Yanmar. Just put it in and if it works then send the old one out to be rebuilt. I believe it is either the isolated ground solenoid, the switch relay or the starter solenoid mounted on the solenoid.

A bit of Corrosion x would also help on the connections.

However I believe it is one of the relays or solenoid since it works when it is hot.

But all the possible solutions have been posted as far as I can see.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 4:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Glitchy starting Yanmar 100HP

 

 

First thing to do is to check, clean, and tighten ALL connections between the battery and starter. A friend of mine who is a diesel mechanic says it the most common problem with a slow starting diesel.
Bob KAIMI SM 429


Re: Glitchy starting Yanmar 100HP

rossirossix4
 

First thing to do is to check, clean, and tighten ALL connections between the battery and starter. A friend of mine who is a diesel mechanic says it the most common problem with a slow starting diesel.
Bob KAIMI SM 429