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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement of the silver Grohe shower hose

karkauai
 

Thanks Peregrinus!  I've been looking for this for a couple of years.  Found it on Amazon for $35 + shipping.

Does anyone know the model of the hand sprayer for the showers?

Thanks again,
Kent


On Jan 30, 2016, at 10:20 AM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Peregrinus came with silver rubber hoses going from the water valve/thermostat combos to the shower heads.  The fixtures are "Grohe" brand on SM2K N. 350 (2002).


In 2013, one of these leaked a bit when in use.  General marine stores in the States only sold a white plastic version and a silver metal version.  The metal version is bad because it can scratch the woodwork on an Amel.  Nonetheless, we replaced the forward shower with one of the silver metal spiral versions.


In four countries in Europe we sort of looked for the silver version any time we were out and about.  Found the same white and metal versions as in the U.S.  We once saw the silver rubber version at a plumber's in Santander, but they were closed for the day.


Finally in a plumbing store in Málaga we found it: original Grohe "Silverflex" hose.  You need the 1750mm version, make sure to ask for it.  The 1500mm version is too short.


Grohe Silverflex "TwistFree"

1/2" x 1/2" x 1750mm

28 364 000


Should set you back $15-$20.  I couldn't get the new connectors not to leak unless I put a little PTFE tape in the threads.


Cheerio,


Peregrinus

At anchor Mar Menor, province of Murcia


Replacement of the silver Grohe shower hose

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Peregrinus came with silver rubber hoses going from the water valve/thermostat combos to the shower heads.  The fixtures are "Grohe" brand on SM2K N. 350 (2002).


In 2013, one of these leaked a bit when in use.  General marine stores in the States only sold a white plastic version and a silver metal version.  The metal version is bad because it can scratch the woodwork on an Amel.  Nonetheless, we replaced the forward shower with one of the silver metal spiral versions.


In four countries in Europe we sort of looked for the silver version any time we were out and about.  Found the same white and metal versions as in the U.S.  We once saw the silver rubber version at a plumber's in Santander, but they were closed for the day.


Finally in a plumbing store in Málaga we found it: original Grohe "Silverflex" hose.  You need the 1750mm version, make sure to ask for it.  The 1500mm version is too short.


Grohe Silverflex "TwistFree"

1/2" x 1/2" x 1750mm

28 364 000


Should set you back $15-$20.  I couldn't get the new connectors not to leak unless I put a little PTFE tape in the threads.


Cheerio,


Peregrinus

At anchor Mar Menor, province of Murcia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

Are you going to be in Colombia for a while?

I am just up the coast from you in Santa Marta.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 2:37 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

 

 

We copied Kimberlite's solution that Eric showed us in NY and have been most happy with it:

 

Take the Amel factory preventers, and duplicate.  Make the lines a bit longer so the unused preventer can run when the boom is on the other side. Leave installed any time you go sailing.  Leave preventers loose (unstopped) if braking is unneeded, such as when going upwind.  You forget they're there.

 

We put one soft shackle on each of the booms, and we attach the preventers to the soft shackle.  Less noise, less scratching, and exactly what Amel does on the 55.  I think it is the same Amel did on the 54?

 

We did, plus we added one block to the mainsail preventers, so the brake is right next to the cockpit (next to the boat's lift point) so it is much, much easier to unlock the brake than with the Amel original.  We love the system.

 

Funny thing is, we've been carrying a brand new Wichard boom brake in its original box since a little before we met Eric.  Someday when we get back Stateside we'll put it on eBay!

 

Cheerio,

 

Peregrinus

SM2K n. 350

At anchor, Mar Menor (near Cartagena)

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dutchman Boom Brake

Eric Freedman
 

Duane,

I had a Dutchman on my old last boat and found it cumbersome and ineffective. On Kimberlite we always rig two preventers on the main boom.

They are attached to the eye on the boom made for the preventers.

We use 3 part blocks on each end of each preventer and attach them to the chain plates.

The line then runs back to the secondary winch on either side.

We can then easily use the preventers without going on deck.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dutchman Boom Brake

 

 

Has anyone tried a boom brake?  It would be so much easier than managing the two preventers that Amel has rigged for the boom.

Duane
Wanderer SM#477

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

Duane Siegfri
 

Yes


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

DUANE,

Thanks. As I understand the preventers for on both sides of the boat are identical.
Is this correct?

On Jan 29, 2016 5:45 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,

I'll describe the Mainsail boom, the Mizzen boom is similiar. 

There are two block and tackles with cam cleats (like a typical mainsheet on a smaller boat), one each side of the boom.  One end hooks to the boom just forward of the mainsheet, the other hooks to a stainless steel loop at the forward end of the jib sheet car near a stanchion. 

When running you tighten the leeward preventer.  When jibing loosen the leeward preventer, using it to ease the boom over.  When the jibe is complete tighten the preventer on the (new) leeward side.

You have to go out on deck to pop the line out of the cam cleat, I'd rather it be operable from the cockpit.

The "Boom Brakes" are friction systems that connect to the boom with a line going through it and fastening at each side of the boat where the preventer would.  The idea is that it's mostly a hands-off preventer, once you have the tension adjusted in the brake for the current wind speed.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Broken/Snapped drive shaft

greatketch@...
 

As Kent describes...  but any misalignment you can SEE would be MUCH too much.  With the drive and driven flanges unbolted but just touching, check all around with a feeler gauge. 

I don't know what amount of misalignment Amel specifies for the C-Drive, but a typical value for a shaft drive system is less than 0.002 inches out of parallel.  That seems like a good target in absence of other information.

Bill Kinney
Honolulu, on SOB
Shopping for a SM or SM2k


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Broken/Snapped drive shaft

karkauai
 

Hi Peregrinus,
I'm no mechanic, but here's my understanding.  Anyone who sees something wrong with my description probably knows more than I do(:

To check alignment of the engine and upper shaft, turn the shaft with the engine in neutral.  It should turn freely with no part of a turn any stiffer than any other.  Where the two halves of the Vetus coupling come together, the space should be uniform as you turn the shaft...use a mirror so you can inspect it all the way around as it turns.

To get it as close as possible, have a solid connector made out of aluminum that has the same dimensions and bolt holes as the coupling.  Install that where the coupling goes and any malalignment will be obvious.  Mark the engine bolts at the aligned position and replace the solid coupling with the Vetus flex coupling and Bob's your Uncle.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:56 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Stephen Davis,


You wrote that next it is important to determine why the shaft broke.

About six months ago in La Rochelle we took the boat for a sail test with an Amel mechanic onboard for an unrelated issue... He made us stop the engine right away in the slipway!  Too much vibration, which he immediately traced to misalignment engine-shaft.

Who knew?  We had sailed the boat for 3 years, from Miami to Nova Scotia and back, and later from Miami to Ireland to France, and never knew our engine vibrated too much.  We knew the Yanmar 100hp wasn't quite as smooth as our car engines, but weren't Diesel engines supposed to be noisy, vibrating beasts?

We don't yet know the cause of the misalignment.  The mechanic suggested a rope jam in the propeller that stops the engine might have caused it.  We know we had never to that point undergone such an issue, and think maybe the problem was pre existing.  But this is not very important. 

The important thing is being able, as a user, to identify a misaligned shaft.  We are still uncertain how one goes about it.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350
At anchor, Mar Menor

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] After 1 year Velox Anti-fouling propeller paint still great!

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Alexandre,

 

Thanks for sharing. It is always good to hear of product that work well.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] After 1 year Velox Anti-fouling propeller paint still great!

 

 


Update on a previous topic regarding Anti fouling solution for propeller.

11 months ago in Fort Lauderdale, during the haul out, I had the propeller rebuilt and coated with Velox antifouling paint.

Every 3 months I have been quickly diving to inspect and didn't notice any barnacle.

Today I scuba dive to change the zinc on rudder and propeller, had more time to look.

I should have a take a picture as the propeller still pretty much looks like the day it was coated.

Definitely a product I will use again and recommend.

Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

Duane Siegfri
 

Vladimir,

I'll describe the Mainsail boom, the Mizzen boom is similiar. 

There are two block and tackles with cam cleats (like a typical mainsheet on a smaller boat), one each side of the boom.  One end hooks to the boom just forward of the mainsheet, the other hooks to a stainless steel loop at the forward end of the jib sheet car near a stanchion. 

When running you tighten the leeward preventer.  When jibing loosen the leeward preventer, using it to ease the boom over.  When the jibe is complete tighten the preventer on the (new) leeward side.

You have to go out on deck to pop the line out of the cam cleat, I'd rather it be operable from the cockpit.

The "Boom Brakes" are friction systems that connect to the boom with a line going through it and fastening at each side of the boat where the preventer would.  The idea is that it's mostly a hands-off preventer, once you have the tension adjusted in the brake for the current wind speed.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


After 1 year Velox Anti-fouling propeller paint still great!

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Update on a previous topic regarding Anti fouling solution for propeller.

11 months ago in Fort Lauderdale, during the haul out, I had the propeller rebuilt and coated with Velox antifouling paint.

Every 3 months I have been quickly diving to inspect and didn't notice any barnacle.

Today I scuba dive to change the zinc on rudder and propeller, had more time to look.

I should have a take a picture as the propeller still pretty much looks like the day it was coated.

Definitely a product I will use again and recommend.

Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos.


Re: De-flagging

greatketch@...
 

Now there is an additional interesting twist...

I am not aware of any US state that forbids a foreign national from registering a boat within the state registration system. And I know lots of non-US citizens who own boats and have them registered with various states. The USCG doesn't interfere, as long as the boat is in a state's (any state's) territorial waters.  On the high seas, it's different.

Here is a pretty good summary for non-US sailors, and US sailor's who haven't made a study of it...
www |dot|  marinetitle |dot| com/library/delaware-yacht-registration.htm

A short answer is: If you REGISTERED your boat in Delaware and you think you are a US "flagged" vessel under international admiralty law, you are not, no matter your citizenship.  You can get away with it as long as the authorities you present your paperwork to are ignorant of the difference, and are suitably impressed with the official looking state registration paperwork, or don't care.

Many people have sailed the world with vessels holding US state registration.  So we are likely talking theoretical differences rather than practical ones...

Bill Kinney
Honolulu on SOB
Shopping for an SM or SM2k


Re: Broken/Snapped drive shaft

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Stephen Davis,

You wrote that next it is important to determine why the shaft broke.

About six months ago in La Rochelle we took the boat for a sail test with an Amel mechanic onboard for an unrelated issue... He made us stop the engine right away in the slipway!  Too much vibration, which he immediately traced to misalignment engine-shaft.

Who knew?  We had sailed the boat for 3 years, from Miami to Nova Scotia and back, and later from Miami to Ireland to France, and never knew our engine vibrated too much.  We knew the Yanmar 100hp wasn't quite as smooth as our car engines, but weren't Diesel engines supposed to be noisy, vibrating beasts?

We don't yet know the cause of the misalignment.  The mechanic suggested a rope jam in the propeller that stops the engine might have caused it.  We know we had never to that point undergone such an issue, and think maybe the problem was pre existing.  But this is not very important. 

The important thing is being able, as a user, to identify a misaligned shaft.  We are still uncertain how one goes about it.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350
At anchor, Mar Menor

 


Re: De-flagging

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Craig!

Yes, any foreigner can set up a DE corp, and apparently the DE corp can own the boat, and apparently DE will issue state registration.

Nonetheless, should the vessel be stopped by the US coast guard, and should a persnickety agent be onboard, and should he determine the beneficial owners are not US citizens, he will determine the vessel is an "undocumented foreign vessel" that should be flying the flag of the owners, and assess appropriate penalties.  This has happened to at least one UK subject, longtime US resident.  He took the case to court, and lost.  I read the court case.

Now, the truth is that as long as the authorities anywhere you are in the world accept that state registration, and as long as you don't come across the US Coast Guard (or the US Customs guys), you can get away with it, and so:

1.  We came across a Russian-owned Amel 54 in Gibraltar, Delaware home port, flying US flag.
2.  We have seen numerous "US" Delaware small boats in Turkey, flying US flag, and the people on board did not quite look as if they came from Peoria.

From what we've seen so far in Europe, I wonder if very many local officers know the difference between a US State-issued boat registration and a "documented" US Coast Guard boat.  I know the European friends we've met and somehow the issue came up were extremely puzzled any country could possibly have such rules.

Bottom line, the Russki/Türkiye boats are alright out of reach of federal US authorities, but non-US citizens who live in the US should stay away from these Delaware or other State schemes.

Peregrinus - sm2k #350
At anchor, Mar Menor, Murcia, Spain 


Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

greatketch@...
 

Through much iteration and fine tuning I have worked out a system on my (non-Amel) center cockpit ketch that is remarkably like Peregrinus' approach.

Two tackles, like the Amel preventers, hook to a soft strop around the boom far enough back on the main boom that it can be reached from the cockpit.  One key change from the Amel system, the the cam cleats that lock down the preventers are located on top of the cockpit coaming, not on the tackles themselves.  No climbing out on the side decks to adjust.

A controlled gybe looks like this.

Steer steady about 160 degrees off the wind. 
Ease the active preventer.
Trim in the main sheet until you can unhook the preventor from the boom by reaching up from the cockpit.
Turn the boat, gybe the boom.
Hook the new preventor on the strop from in the cockpit.
Ease the mainsheet, tighten the new preventor, and you're off.

I like having the vang/preventers hooked as far back on the boom as possible.  Makes a broken boom  from a wave dip, or accidental gybe less likely.

My boat doesn't have room of a "standard" vang, so these preventers are used a lot as vangs while I am reaching, not just downwind.

Bill Kinney
Honolulu in SOB (Some Other Boat)
Shopping for a SM or SM2k


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Failed Dolphin Chargers

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

The small Dolphin was replaced on Peregrinus mid-2011 with a Mastervolt 30/24.

The large Dolphin was replaced in 2013 with a Mastervolt 100/24.  At the same time, we added the Easyview Mastervolt display to monitor both chargers.  We also added the Mastevolt USB interface so we can more easily program the chargers from a PC. 

In 2015, we added the Mastervolt shunt (500A), so we can better monitor the batteries from the Easyview.  It made the factory amp meter in the 24v panel redundant (we love redundancy).

We did not need upgrade the cables when we replaced the chargers.  However, we were advised our cables are not sufficient for the Mastervolt charger/inverter Combi, not because of the charging amperage, but because of the discharging inverter amperage.  


Peregrinus
Sm2k 350
At anchor, Mar Menor (Spain)




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I am the third owner of my SM 345 "Life is Good". Amel made preventers are not on the boat now.
Can someone describe or better post a photo of Amel made preventers.

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"

On Jan 29, 2016 3:06 PM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We copied Kimberlite's solution that Eric showed us in NY and have been most happy with it:


Take the Amel factory preventers, and duplicate.  Make the lines a bit longer so the unused preventer can run when the boom is on the other side. Leave installed any time you go sailing.  Leave preventers loose (unstopped) if braking is unneeded, such as when going upwind.  You forget they're there.

We put one soft shackle on each of the booms, and we attach the preventers to the soft shackle.  Less noise, less scratching, and exactly what Amel does on the 55.  I think it is the same Amel did on the 54?

We did, plus we added one block to the mainsail preventers, so the brake is right next to the cockpit (next to the boat's lift point) so it is much, much easier to unlock the brake than with the Amel original.  We love the system.

Funny thing is, we've been carrying a brand new Wichard boom brake in its original box since a little before we met Eric.  Someday when we get back Stateside we'll put it on eBay!

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K n. 350
At anchor, Mar Menor (near Cartagena)



Re: Dutchman Boom Brake

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

We copied Kimberlite's solution that Eric showed us in NY and have been most happy with it:

Take the Amel factory preventers, and duplicate.  Make the lines a bit longer so the unused preventer can run when the boom is on the other side. Leave installed any time you go sailing.  Leave preventers loose (unstopped) if braking is unneeded, such as when going upwind.  You forget they're there.

We put one soft shackle on each of the booms, and we attach the preventers to the soft shackle.  Less noise, less scratching, and exactly what Amel does on the 55.  I think it is the same Amel did on the 54?

We did, plus we added one block to the mainsail preventers, so the brake is right next to the cockpit (next to the boat's lift point) so it is much, much easier to unlock the brake than with the Amel original.  We love the system.

Funny thing is, we've been carrying a brand new Wichard boom brake in its original box since a little before we met Eric.  Someday when we get back Stateside we'll put it on eBay!

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K n. 350
At anchor, Mar Menor (near Cartagena)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

tango708@...
 

Hi Paul, I am one of several folks that have experienced a broken shaft. If you still need directions to remove the shaft for repairing let me know and I will be happy to send instruction. The shaft comes out pretty easy and can be repaired by a good machine shop. I had to replace some bearings as well and the shaft seal. The seal had to be ordered from Europe as I could not find the metric size in the states.

Will Stout
SM180
St Martin, Marina Ft Louie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

karkauai
 

Glad you're getting it done.  Please say Ola to Danny for me.
Kent


On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Paul LaFrance pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent
Thanks for the info. We have ordered a replacement from Amel. We are on our way after repairs are done and will have the old transmission repaired if possible by Danny in Fajardo.
Paul & Sue

To: amelyachtowners@...; pflafrance@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:24:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

 

Hi Paul,
The mechanic in Fajardo is Danny Ramos at Marine Mechanical.
(787) 655-3702 office
(787) 607-0945 mobile
He is walking distance from SunBay Marina.
Kent


On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:38 AM, Paul LaFrance pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve
Thanks for the info.
The shaft is definitely broken as we have taken the Vetus coupling off after moving the engine back. We did break up a Vetus coupling last year that was caused by the mechanic not using lock washers on the bracket holding the transmission in place and it came loose. This was done when the engine was replaced and the mechanic who installed the engine loosened up the bolts. The Vetus coupling could be replaced but is serviceable as soon as I punch out the broken shaft that is inside it.
It would be a tough sail over to St Martin due to the pointing aspects of an Amel. I believe FKG could machine a part. In Roadtown there is a machine shop, Nautitool, who could machine a part.
My real question is how to remove the shaft. Did Kent have his shaft removed? If possible I would sail to Puerto Rico to have it done if this is what Kent had done. I would prefer to know how it comes apart even if Amel can source a replacement.
I have posted pictures on the Amel site.

Thanks
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:53:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

 

Paul,

Just a thought...Fixing the problem in the BVI might be a little difficult due to lack of good marine resources, and knowledge of the Amel. Here in St Martin, the resources are much better, and it is only an 80 mile sail away. Also, Will has a special tool he had machined to help with the alignment process, and I'm sure he would let you use it. When Kent had his problem, he had it fixed in Puerto Rico, and he has the name of the mechanic who did the work. 

Steve
Aloha Sm72
St Martin


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI