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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel supermaramu second headsail

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alessandro,

I am in Marin, Martinique an will be here for 1 month. Pontoon 5 #551. As you know, Amel is here also. When you get here, I would ask Amel Caribe what they think about this. In my 35,000 mile experience while circumnavigating the world, there was less than 30 days where I had the opportunity to use two headsails, and when I did, I used the Amel ballooner.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:04 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alessandro
A few weeks back a posted some photos on my new inner forestay you can see them and some other Amels who have added a second forestay in the photo section
I also made some comments of installation and dimensions in the conversation section, you can search on inner forestay or on Kerpa. If you have questions please ask, however I don not think it's so useful for down wind, my aim is to be able to go up wind in higher wind strength, I do not like to run with a partly furled genoa. as it's not performing very well, and get more and more "baggy" the more it's furled and give more force to heal the boat than give speed.
One advantage down wind will be to sheet the stay sail har amidship to minimize rolling
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 



Re: Amel supermaramu second headsail

Paul Osterberg
 

Alessandro
A few weeks back a posted some photos on my new inner forestay you can see them and some other Amels who have added a second forestay in the photo section
I also made some comments of installation and dimensions in the conversation section, you can search on inner forestay or on Kerpa. If you have questions please ask, however I don not think it's so useful for down wind, my aim is to be able to go up wind in higher wind strength, I do not like to run with a partly furled genoa. as it's not performing very well, and get more and more "baggy" the more it's furled and give more force to heal the boat than give speed.
One advantage down wind will be to sheet the stay sail har amidship to minimize rolling
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Paul Osterberg
 

No I do not think so, when looking at the water line it looks as if she is not overloaded except stern heavy, and that she list ca 2 degree to port.
I think it's probably something wrong with the load cells they are using, I asked today when they were lifting a Catamaran, the owner expected 13 ton , but came out 18 ton.
We will however adjust water line to have it a little bit higher ca 10 cm at the stern and keep the hight at the bow
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Congratulations Bill and Judy

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Well done Bill and Judy
You set a fine example for many of us to follow. Thank you so much for all you have given to this group to date and to us personally too. We hope to meet you both when we eventually get to the Caribbean ourselves too.
Best regards
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, SM #332
Brisbane, Australia

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Mike Johnson mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Congratulations.  The call of Texas will be getting stronger!

Mike & Peta

Mobile

On 31 Jan 2016, at 12:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to all of you for making this Group such a valuable resource to me and other Amel owners.

We crossed the Atlantic from the Canary Islands, dodging hurricane ALEX, and arrived in Martinique Friday about noon. It was an amazing sight...2 SM's crossed the finish line, under sail, and one after the other...we were the lead SM. Of the 20 boats in the rally, 4 were Amels and Amels were 3 of the first 4 boats finishing! BTW, a 55 crossed just before the BEBE and VIVA, the 2 Super Maramus. LIBERTAD, the fourth Amel in the rally which is a 33 year old Maramu will finish today, Monday. Dennis and Virginia Johns (LIBERTAD) stopped in the Verdes for fuel and had to wait 2.5 days for outbound clearances from the local officials.

The only thing that broke was the plastic base to the "not-so-quiet" Jabsco Quiet Flush toilet in the aft cabin. I think the simultaneous SE and NW 3 meter swells had something to do with this...and NO, it was not me on the throne when it happened. I cannot explain the crossing swell, but BEBE and her autopilot kept us on course. We ran 2 freezers and 1 fridge on the passage. I ran the generator with a 100 amp charger at 2100 and 0300 for about 1-1.5 hours each day. The 405 watt solar array took care of the rest of the power. Before the passage I lowered each sail and cut back the end of the 3 halyards (2 of which are original halyards) about 60-80cm. This included the part of the halyard that rests on the sheave at the top of the mast. The discarded line appeared to have very little abrasion, but did look a little distorted...safe rather than sorry. Judy and I have always been the only two aboard on any passage...this is the first time we have had a third crew member...wow, what a difference...I am not sure that I would ever cross an ocean with a total of two anymore.

I had one other problem that was caused by me and entirely my fault. I had a complete rigging inspection done by a good rigger in Malta. He told me that there was some dissimilar metal corrosion on the foil where the ballooner clip (the one that clicks) touches the foil. He said that he recommended some tape on the clip to insulate it from the foil. That damn tape kept the clip from staying hooked on the hooker and the 3 or 4 days that we could have used the twins, were not to be. BTW, I did drop the fore swivel and checked the clip and hooker attachment before we sailed. It worked at the dock, but there was no load on the hooker. If someone had mentioned this too me for advice, my advice would have been to NOT change what the Captain has done...I should have asked myself.

I wonder how those goose-neck barnacles attach to a boat sailing by at 6-8kts????

Cross an ocean and your respect and love for Amel increases amazingly.

Best,

Bill & Judy
BeBe #387

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Congratulations! If "Bebe" is heading up-island, I have a bottle of Prosecco to celebrate the opportunity to meet Bill and Judy! I am so grateful to Bill for his generosity in sharing his wealth of knowledge.

Fair Winds!
Stephanie
Indecent, SM353





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Amel supermaramu second headsail

agennai@...
 

Hi friends,

I,m considering to install a second headsail on my GRAND CRU Supermaramu 2k redline #443; I guess it could be useful both in downwind (using the two headsails with the two poles ) and in  up wind (when the wind increases). Of course I have a lot of doubts about installation and I'm asking you some suggestions, draws or pictures about it. Moreover now I'm in Caribe and folks told me that the best place to do this project is in martinica (Le Marin - Caribe Marine) Do you have any experience about those guys?

Thanks for your help

Alessandro

GRAND CRU


Selling Curtains and Closet Enclosures (<2yrs old)

mr_hermanns
 

Hey there! We redid the interior of Cerulean to remove all the design elements from my Ex (LOL) and wanted to put our curtains and closet enclosures up for sale.


They are all Sunbrella, and completed buy Rosarios Canvas in MDR (double fabric layering etc).


Pics can be seen here:

Cerulean Salon Interior Refinishing – Part Three


This is for a Traditional Maramu (non Super) - Cerulean is hull #105. Note: All Curtains are in perfect condition, with track guides, snaps/velcro and matching hold back ties. 


New Cost was: $1600+ ($1250 for materials + $400 Labor)


I will sell and ship them to the first person who responds directly for $525!!!! You save over $1100


-Jer

SVCerulean.com


Through-hulls/valves on Maramu

rosta brussels
 

 Hello,

I have some questions regarding the intake and outflow inline brass valves (made by Konsan), which are simply screwed on the through-hull fittings (probably bronze) on our Maramu. 

1. How serious problem is the thread mismatch between the parallel thread of the fitting and the tapered (I suppose) thread of the valve? 

2. The thread on the through-hull fittings is BSP or NPSM type?

3. Most through-hull fitings are fiberglassed to the hull except for the intake of the front toilet and intake of a watermaker. Those two installations look rather fragile without the fiberglassing or a proper flanged seacocks. What are your views?

4. Some of the inline brass valves are stuck. Can you recommend a good brand (no brass)?

Many thanks

Rosta

Maramu 259

Tortuga


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Congratulations Bill and Judy

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Hi Bill & Judy,
Congratulation
If you need anything I am on Quai 2 in the Marina

Serge
Opera (Mango 51)


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En date de : Dim, 31.1.16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :

Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Congratulations Bill and Judy
À : "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: dimanche 31 janvier 2016 07 h 11


 



   


     
       
       
       Thanks to all of you for making
this Group such a valuable resource to me and other Amel
owners.
We crossed the Atlantic from the
Canary Islands, dodging hurricane ALEX, and arrived in
Martinique Friday about noon. It was an amazing sight...2
SM's crossed the finish line, under sail, and one after the other...we
were the lead SM. Of the 20 boats in the rally, 4 were Amels and
Amels were 3 of the first 4 boats finishing! BTW, a 55
crossed just before the BEBE and VIVA, the 2 Super
Maramus. LIBERTAD,
the fourth Amel in
the rally which is a 33 year old Maramu will finish today,
Monday. Dennis and Virginia Johns (LIBERTAD) stopped in the Verdes for fuel
and had to wait 2.5 days for outbound clearances from the
local officials.
The only thing that broke was the
plastic base to the "not-so-quiet" Jabsco Quiet Flush toilet in the
aft cabin. I think the simultaneous SE and NW 3 meter swells had
something to do with this...and NO, it was not me on the
throne when it happened. I cannot explain the crossing
swell, but BEBE and her autopilot kept us on course. We ran
2 freezers and 1 fridge on the passage. I ran the generator
with a 100 amp charger at 2100 and 0300 for about 1-1.5
hours each day. The 405 watt solar array took care of the
rest of the power. Before the passage I lowered each sail
and cut back the end of the 3 halyards (2 of which are
original halyards) about 60-80cm. This included the part of
the halyard that rests on the sheave at the top of the mast.
The discarded line appeared to have very little abrasion,
but did look a little distorted...safe rather than sorry.
Judy and I have always been the only two aboard on any
passage...this is the first time we have had a third crew
member...wow, what a difference...I am not sure that I
would ever cross an ocean with a total of two
anymore.

I
had one other problem that was caused by me and entirely my
fault. I had a complete rigging inspection done by a good
rigger in Malta. He told me that there was some dissimilar
metal corrosion on the foil where the ballooner clip (the
one that clicks) touches the foil. He said that
he recommended some
tape on the clip to insulate it from the foil.
That damn tape kept
the clip from staying hooked on the hooker and the 3
or 4 days that we
could have used the twins, were not to be. BTW, I
did drop the fore
swivel and checked the clip and hooker attachment
before we sailed. It
worked at the dock, but there was no load on the
hooker. If
someone had mentioned this too me for advice, my advice
would have been to
NOT change what the Captain has done...I should have
asked myself.

I wonder how those goose-neck
barnacles attach to a boat sailing by at
6-8kts????
Cross an ocean and your respect
and love for Amel increases
amazingly.
Best,
Bill &
JudyBeBe
#387
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at
9:26 AM, Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:













 

 



   


     
       
       
       Congratulations!  If "Bebe" is heading
up-island, I have a bottle of Prosecco to celebrate the
opportunity to meet Bill and Judy!  I am so grateful to Bill
for his generosity in sharing his wealth of knowledge.



Fair Winds!

Stephanie

Indecent, SM353
     
     

     
     






   










     
     

     
     



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Wow, you must have filled her with really heavy stuff. Our, fulltime liveaboard packed SM is between 19 and  20 tons. With full diesel, water and a dingy.

/Ann-Sofie
Lady Annila SM 232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

1 feb. 2016 kl. 18:16 skrev osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

To follow up on an old thread
We just hauled out and they claimed the weight of our Amel SM 2000 was 25 ton,with  half full water tank and diesel tank
Sounds a little high to me, but I think I heard on one of the Delos videos that they had a similar weight

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SAM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Congratulations Bill and Judy

karkauai
 

Next time you take the Genoa down, have a look at it. It's a simple spring-loaded arm that is opened as the mouse that raises the sail goes under it and then locks under the notch in the mouse.
To lower the sail raise the mouse that doesn't have a notch.  It raises the spring-loaded arm and unlocks the one holding the head of the sail, then comes down easily as there is no notch to catch the arm.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy



On Feb 1, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Glad y'all made it across the pond safely.  Once you bring the boat back to Texas, will you go again?....Kidding.
Congrats to the both you for chronicling Amel's, your trip, and most of all being inspirational to the rest of us.

Quick question regarding the mouse clip.  Any chance you have a picture of what that looks like. I asked Amel and seem confused about what I was asking about.

Regards,

Aras
Sharki #163


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Holding Tank Discharge Lock

karkauai
 

I have been boarded by USCG twice on the Chesapeake and once in Fort Lauderdale, and on all three they inspected the discharge valve for closure.  In the Chesapeake they wanted to see that the handles were in a separate location.
Amazingly, on all occasions I had tended to this before we were boarded.  All I got dinged for was not having a ship's bell, but they were happy with my air horn.

As an aside, for my retirement, my partners gave me a ship's bell which was cast with "Kristy" on the rim and the mould broken...making it a one of a kind bell.  Pretty cool.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Feb 1, 2016, at 10:48 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hmmmm...  Let me reconsider...


Some authorities say it is "suggested" that a Y-valve be secured, others say it is "required"...  The official Florida state website, for example says, "recommended"...

In any event, a lock, a handle removal, or a "non-reusable cable tie" are all listed as appropriate.  

I have had many boats inspected by the USCG, and they never asked to see the disabled handle.  But likely better to removed the handle as an easy solution.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Weight/displacement

Paul Osterberg
 

To follow up on an old thread
We just hauled out and they claimed the weight of our Amel SM 2000 was 25 ton,with  half full water tank and diesel tank
Sounds a little high to me, but I think I heard on one of the Delos videos that they had a similar weight

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SAM#259



Re: Congratulations Bill and Judy

Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
 

Glad y'all made it across the pond safely.  Once you bring the boat back to Texas, will you go again?....Kidding.
Congrats to the both you for chronicling Amel's, your trip, and most of all being inspirational to the rest of us.

Quick question regarding the mouse clip.  Any chance you have a picture of what that looks like. I asked Amel and seem confused about what I was asking about.

Regards,

Aras
Sharki #163


Re: Congratulations Bill and Judy

Derick Gates
 

Well done Bill and Judy!  I look forward to eventually meeting up with you here in the Caribbean.  

Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
Bas du Fort Marina
Polite-a-Pitre, Guadeloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Holding Tank Discharge Lock

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

“There is no general requirement in US waters to lock the overboard discharge valve!”

 

 

I think you need to familiarize yourself with 33 CFR 159.7 – USCG Requirements for vessel operators.

 

(b) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of treated or untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3 or 140.4, the operator must secure each Type I or Type II device in a manner which prevents discharge of treated or untreated sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include—

(1) Closing the seacock and removing the handle;

(2) Padlocking the seacock in the closed position;

(3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold the seacock in the closed position; or

(4) Locking the door to the space enclosing the toilets with a padlock or door handle key lock.

(c) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 10:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Holding Tank Discharge Lock

 

 

There is no general requirement in US waters to lock the overboard discharge valve!

 

Some local jurisdictions or marinas might have such a rule, but it is most certainly not required in all US territorial waters.

 

That said, it is not legal to discharge your tank within 3 nautical miles of the coast, but you do not have to disable the discharge valve.

 

I have kept a boat in a marina which wanted the valve disabled.  Tying it shut with a plastic cable tie satisfied them.

 

 


Re: Holding Tank Discharge Lock

greatketch@...
 

Hmmmm...  Let me reconsider...

Some authorities say it is "suggested" that a Y-valve be secured, others say it is "required"...  The official Florida state website, for example says, "recommended"...

In any event, a lock, a handle removal, or a "non-reusable cable tie" are all listed as appropriate.  

I have had many boats inspected by the USCG, and they never asked to see the disabled handle.  But likely better to removed the handle as an easy solution.


Re: Holding Tank Discharge Lock

greatketch@...
 

There is no general requirement in US waters to lock the overboard discharge valve!

Some local jurisdictions or marinas might have such a rule, but it is most certainly not required in all US territorial waters.

That said, it is not legal to discharge your tank within 3 nautical miles of the coast, but you do not have to disable the discharge valve.

I have kept a boat in a marina which wanted the valve disabled.  Tying it shut with a plastic cable tie satisfied them.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Discharge Lock

Mark Erdos
 

Removing the handle meets the USCG requirements. It is also recommended to lock the handles away. This further satisfies the requirements.

 

Another option is to install a small flap door over the opening with the ability to lock the door. A piece of clear Plexiglas works well.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Discharge Lock

 

 

For those of you who are in or have been in US waters, how did you secure the valve for the holding tank discharge? I am puzzled as to an effective way of blocking the lever for the two valves.

Jeff
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Discharge Lock

karkauai
 

I remove and stow the valve handle away from the head. The USCG says that's good enough.
Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Feb 1, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

For those of you who are in or have been in US waters, how did you secure the valve for the holding tank discharge? I am puzzled as to an effective way of blocking the lever for the two valves.

Jeff
LAST TANGO.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Discharge Lock

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

When my vessel was in the US water, I was recommend to put duck tape.
I have never been checked, so don't know if this is enough... some people use lock (seems better).
my understanding is that you have to do something to prevent an accidental opening.
but I think, like always, it will depend of the person that inspect you, if he/she wants to find something to fine you with, he/she will find...

Hope you get more feedback on that.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 2/1/16, Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Discharge Lock
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 1, 2016, 8:16 AM


 









For those of you who are in or have been in US
waters, how did you secure the valve for the holding tank
discharge? I am puzzled as to an effective way of blocking
the lever for the two valves.



Jeff

LAST TANGO.
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