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Passarell / Bathin ladder

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

We have installed a stern platform with integrated bathing ladder, Thus no need for the passarell/ Bathing ladder. So if anyone need a passarell let me know. It's yours for a bear or two.

Regards

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 on the hard in Finike, Turkey
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster repair

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all for feed back and especially thank you Alexandre for the very instructive photo session forwarded 
Alexandre when you re balanced your boat, roughly how much weight did you moved forward to achieve the  2 inch lift of the bow? I have the opposite problem my bow sits very high above water ca 10-11 inch between the red water line and the water level in the bow and the water line just at the water level at the stern. I did not help to put the very elegant but heavy solar arc from Emek marine at the stern. I also list at least 2 degree to port so need to re balance part of that as well, probably not very easy.
Paul on S/Y Keepa SM#259
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 12V & 24V receptacles

peacock@...
 

It's unusual that you've lost power to both 12 V and 24 receptacles. I agree that the 12 V runs off the Sailor 24->12 V transformers. The 24 V should be on the circuit that is on your 24 V panel; there is a breaker labeled "24V", in the lower left as I recall. However, Amel did change the 220 and 24 V panels over the years.

Tom Peacock
Aletes, SM 240
Red Hook, USVI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster repair

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all for your helpful information
Regards
Paul
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster repair

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Paul,

For the Bow Thruster:
You know you will need the 3 neoprene seals from Amel (2 of 1 type, one of another).
3 bearing: 6006 JEM (Open Bearing)
1 seal: 30 x 42 x 7 (plane more than 1, as I broke 1 when I put it on not well the first time). This is the one where the propeller is.
1 seal: 60 x 80 x 12 (that goes inside the boat in the forward cabin).
O ring 78.00 x 3.00
O ring 40.00 x 2.50
Somehow on my list I have a bearing: 6204 2 RS JEM (but I think this is at the top for the electric motor, never replaced it).
I put all the pictures on: http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am with you on the 60 x 80 x 12 seal.
After 10 months my bow thruster starts to leak.

Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K $289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos




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On Sun, 2/14/16, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster repair
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2016, 2:46 AM


 









I have looked att the files concerning
repair of the bow truster, but I can't find what
size/specification of the lip seals. I urgently need to get
hold of new lip seal especially for the side where the
propeller are, but when working on it better to fix both
side. Does any one know the part number or specification for
those?An other question there should be
a lip seal where the bow thruster shaft pass the hull, but
as the hole is large enough for putting tape on the shaft
when lowering it when in water, Can that lip seal do any
good?Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 on the
hard in Finike Turkey.









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Re: Bow thruster repair

walter.kleiner@...
 

Dear Paul,
the lip seal size in the bowthruster is 30x42x7 AS - (A means every metal in the seal (except the spring) covered with rubber,  S means additional dust lip)

the lip seal size in the hull/for the shaft is 60x80x12 AS

Both are standard rubber seals which are measured in millimeter: inside diameter x outside diameter x thickness plus additional specs (as is AS)

The bearings inside the thruster are SKF6006-2RS1
We replaced the lip seal for the shaft about 2,5 years ago and logged 25000nm after the replacement - still working fine.

Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K #436)
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster repair

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I do not have the sizes of the lip seals as I am not on the boat.

However there should be a lip seal at the top of the bow thruster trunk.

Also 2 foam seals and 2 neoprene seals neoprene outside and foam inside. Additionally there should be a lip seal behind the thruster propeller.

 

I know I have seen the sizes listed here on the site.

I have a copy of an order that I made for the entire boat but I did not specify which was which on the order..

I suggest you look at the site.

 

I am sure Bill who is on board will give you the sizes later this morning.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster repair

 

 

I have looked att the files concerning repair of the bow truster, but I can't find what size/specification of the lip seals. I urgently need to get hold of new lip seal especially for the side where the propeller are, but when working on it better to fix both side. Does any one know the part number or specification for those?

An other question there should be a lip seal where the bow thruster shaft pass the hull, but as the hole is large enough for putting tape on the shaft when lowering it when in water, Can that lip seal do any good?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 on the hard in Finike Turkey.
Bow thruster repair

Paul Osterberg
 

I have looked att the files concerning repair of the bow truster, but I can't find what size/specification of the lip seals. I urgently need to get hold of new lip seal especially for the side where the propeller are, but when working on it better to fix both side. Does any one know the part number or specification for those?

An other question there should be a lip seal where the bow thruster shaft pass the hull, but as the hole is large enough for putting tape on the shaft when lowering it when in water, Can that lip seal do any good?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 on the hard in Finike Turkey.
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Mount Life Span

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Kent,

I was thinking of replacing my engine mounts. You made a disk to align the engine. Do you have a drawing of it?

I would like to make on.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 8:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Mount Life Span

 

 

Kent, Same thing here , I had the original mounts , which I just replaced a few months ago. I definitely have less vibration thus noise than before.

Pat SM #123

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Mount Life Span

 

I had the original Vetus mounts with my factory Volvo TMD.  They were really bad after 12 years.

When I repowered I used the Yanmar recommended mounts per Olivier's recommendation.

 

I guess I didn't realize how be the old mounts were, there is less engine noise and vibration than there's been since I bought the boat.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy


On Jan 27, 2016, at 2:31 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I feel a bit like the Medical School student studying a disease (hey! I think I have this!).

There has been some discussion in the past about changing motor mounts, but I haven't seen a life span for the mounts.  In cars they basically last the life of the car in my experience.

Does anyone have some info on when they should be changed out? 

Does one need to disconnect the Vetus Coupler to lift the frame enough?

Thanks,
Duane

Wanderer SM#477

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

Bob <bob.sarff@...>
 

Our 1985 Maramu "Chara" has a Rocna 33 and I needed to extend the anchor roller to make it fit properly.  I've been happy with the holding.

Bob

On Feb 13, 2016, at 12:24 AM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Paul,

 

I have a Manson Supreme 60lb. Similar to Rocna - fits ok, just touches the pullpit upright when stowed. It's a very good anchor.

 

This topic has come up before, try searching through conversations. There's a Maramu called Chara that has a 33kg Rocna and most likely several others.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye

 


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 12V & 24V receptacles

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

The 12 power is supplied by a converter in the cubby behind the aft door under the nav station. There is also a circuit breaker in the wet locker on the forward side that turns on the nav station. Sorry, I don’t know where the 24 volt plug is powered.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 6:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 12V & 24V receptacles

 

 

On our SM2000, hull 353, I have lost power to my 12V and 24V receptacles at he chart table location. Can some advise me of the location of a breaker or a fuse that I can reset / replace to fix the problem.

Many thanks
Ezio DiBelardino
Indecent, lying off the Grand Lucaya Canal.
12V & 24V receptacles

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

On our SM2000, hull 353, I have lost power to my 12V and 24V receptacles at he chart table location. Can some advise me of the location of a breaker or a fuse that I can reset / replace to fix the problem.

Many thanks
Ezio DiBelardino
Indecent, lying off the Grand Lucaya Canal.
Re: Spreader Angle

danielmfrey63@...
 

Dear Ian, dear Olivier, thank you very much for your valuable inputs!

Best regards - Daniel

SY Heureka
SN 64
Kuşadası, Turkey
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

JP,

You are in Europe, not in the Tropics.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Gang,

We use Coppercoat… and have done so in the Med for the last 7 years.  Bill on BeBe suggests Coppercoat will not work well in water temps exceeding 30C.  But thus far, every time I look, there is graphic evidence of “barnies” attaching and growing only to slide off the hull at a slight distance away.  It is a visible process.  I will post photos when I get in for a swim… too cold now.  Plus, I am a wimp for this.

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

On 12 Feb 2016, at 12:23, trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Great and timely information for us. We are about to take our Sharki out for anti fouling.
Bill do you know if Sharki’s built in 1980 also featured this propriety osmotic coat?
We are hauling out in Malaysia and plan to use Jotun Seaforce 90.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Warren and Zetta
Manon2
Sharki #15

Sent from Windows Mail

From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎12‎ ‎February‎ ‎2016 ‎7‎:‎04‎ ‎p.m.
To: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]

 

Eric,

I had BeBe hand scraped, then sanded in 2011. The original bottom paint was an International hard paint. There was no barrier coat because it is not needed on your Super Maramu as Amel has a propriety osmotic coat beneath the gelcoat... 

I have always used International Micron 66 or Micron 77. I do not believe Micron 77 is available in the US or any country influenced by what the EPA allows...I have seen it here in Martinique. FYI, the EPA has not approved a single new bottom paint in the last 7 years (politics). Micron 77 is better than 66 because you can take 77 into fresh water...77 becomes inert after too much fresh water.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Did he actually use sand or another media?

Best

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@... ]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.

  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece




On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bott om and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker" (CB5)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark,

Thanks very! Will look at the wiring…

Hope you have a great weekend!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Fri, 2/12/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker" (CB5)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2016, 4:12 PM


 









Alexandre,
 Yes. Carbon will build more rapidly
on a diesel engine that is operated at lower RPMs or load.
 Regarding the wiring of the BlueSea
8731, it is wired to the 220 breaker panel.
 From the generator and shore power
these are switch by a mechanical contactor (in the engine
room behind the genset). From this switch you have a main
cable that feeds the 220 volt panel. Where this main cable
on the 220 volt panel is connected is where the BlueSea
connects (the doughnut shaped current load sensor is also
located here). Thus it will measure whatever is coming into
the panel, whether it is genset or shore power.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Marsh Harbour –
Abaco Islands - Bahamas
 
   From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 2:09
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan
shuts down "Fault Breaker"
(CB5)    Dear Mark, Gary & Eric,


Mark & Gary, thanks
for the link for the BlueSea monitor how is the wiring on
theso that you can monitor the genset load?
Will carbon build up appear below or above
75-80% ? (I suspect below)

Gary, I am having a little problem to see which
picture it is on:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1219017177/lightbox/412042190?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/412042190

Also, I suspect something
faulty… as I thought the side breaker would pop first.

For information: twice the
genset stop running:
60 Amp battery charger
(batteries 99% full)
Washer
3 x Air Conditioning.
When
removing an air conditioning, all ok.

Once running:
60 Amp battery
charger (batteries 99% full)
Scuba
Compressor
220 Volt Water Maker (60 liter
version)
1 Air Conditioning.
The genset stop while the scuba tank was
getting full (I would assume more demand on the compressor
to finish to fill up the scuba tank)
I
remove the Air Conditioning and it was ok.

realistically I am going to
order the parts now for when I will be in Puerto Rico (May
or June?) then install then.

Also thanks for confirming the Exhaust Mixing
Elbow being PN 155-3261-02 (E086) as well as gasket part
number and recommendation on permatex.

Hello Eric,
I would love if
you could please email ms: user at rocketmail doc com the
picture/wiring.
When I plug on shore power,
I first start with the “outlet” and make sure that my
220 volt lights are working, then I switch on battery
charger make sure it is working, etc.

I am aware of the timers, I think it is a good
idea, I still just start one at the time and wait for the
compressor, etc.

Thanks
again for your great help!

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On Fri, 2/12/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker"
(CB5)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2016, 12:15 PM


 









I have the same BlueSea monitor. It
is very easy to work and we use it whenever we
plug to shore
power BEFORE turning on
anything. It is programmed to alarm
at
<205 VAC and >245 VAC.
 We can also
monitor the load on the
genset as we try to
run it at 75-80% capacity to avoid
carbon
buildup.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands
-
Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
amelliahona
Sent: Friday,
February 12, 2016
1:00 PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan
shuts down "Fault Breaker"
(CB5)    Hi Alexandre:  Here is a link to
the
"multimeter" setup I have on
my boat. (Pic as
noted by Eric)  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1219017177/lightbox/412042190?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/412042190  Similar
concept to what
Bill Rouse has.  It shows,
Watts, Volts, Hertz, and Amps.
 Nothing
like having this data for managing load on the
genset and diagnosis bad/good shore
power. 
 Hers is a
link to the BlueSea meter.  https://www.bluesea.com/products/8247/AC_Digital_Multi-Function_Meter_with_Alarm
 I am wondering if you have a
faulty CB on
the aft port side of the genset (the line CB)
that isn't opening as it should.  On mine
if I overlaid
the genset that line breaker
opens and the genset does not
shut down.
 On my
boat, I can charge
batteries and make water, or make water
and
run an air conditioner or two.  If the batteries
aren't too low then I can eek out water
making + battery
charging + 1 AC unit. 
 Let us know what you
find. 
 Sincerely,   Gary S. Silver    s/v
LiahonaAmel
SM 2000 Hull # 335
 -  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto
Rico 
     










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker" (CB5)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

haaaaa.. sorry the auto correct... changed it

uster@rocketmail.com
or
uster at rocketmail dot com

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 2/12/16, sailormon kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker" (CB5)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2016, 7:26 PM


 









Hi,I could not make out
your email address.ThanksEric  
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 2:09
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan
shuts down "Fault Breaker"
(CB5)    Dear Mark, Gary & Eric,


Mark & Gary, thanks
for the link for the BlueSea monitor how is the wiring on
theso that you can monitor the genset load?
Will carbon build up appear below or above
75-80% ? (I suspect below)

Gary, I am having a little problem to see which
picture it is on:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1219017177/lightbox/412042190?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/412042190

Also, I suspect something
faulty… as I thought the side breaker would pop first.

For information: twice the
genset stop running:
60 Amp battery charger
(batteries 99% full)
Washer
3 x Air Conditioning.
When
removing an air conditioning, all ok.

Once running:
60 Amp battery
charger (batteries 99% full)
Scuba
Compressor
220 Volt Water Maker (60 liter
version)
1 Air Conditioning.
The genset stop while the scuba tank was
getting full (I would assume more demand on the compressor
to finish to fill up the scuba tank)
I
remove the Air Conditioning and it was ok.

realistically I am going to
order the parts now for when I will be in Puerto Rico (May
or June?) then install then.

Also thanks for confirming the Exhaust Mixing
Elbow being PN 155-3261-02 (E086) as well as gasket part
number and recommendation on permatex.

Hello Eric,
I would love if
you could please email ms: user at rocketmail doc com the
picture/wiring.
When I plug on shore power,
I first start with the “outlet” and make sure that my
220 volt lights are working, then I switch on battery
charger make sure it is working, etc.

I am aware of the timers, I think it is a good
idea, I still just start one at the time and wait for the
compressor, etc.

Thanks
again for your great help!

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 2/12/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker"
(CB5)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2016, 12:15 PM


 









I have the same BlueSea monitor. It
is very easy to work and we use it whenever we
plug to shore
power BEFORE turning on
anything. It is programmed to alarm
at
<205 VAC and >245 VAC.
 We can also
monitor the load on the
genset as we try to
run it at 75-80% capacity to avoid
carbon
buildup.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands
-
Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
amelliahona
Sent: Friday,
February 12, 2016
1:00 PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan
shuts down "Fault Breaker"
(CB5)    Hi Alexandre:  Here is a link to
the
"multimeter" setup I have on
my boat. (Pic as
noted by Eric)  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1219017177/lightbox/412042190?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/412042190  Similar
concept to what
Bill Rouse has.  It shows,
Watts, Volts, Hertz, and Amps.
 Nothing
like having this data for managing load on the
genset and diagnosis bad/good shore
power. 
 Hers is a
link to the BlueSea meter.  https://www.bluesea.com/products/8247/AC_Digital_Multi-Function_Meter_with_Alarm
 I am wondering if you have a
faulty CB on
the aft port side of the genset (the line CB)
that isn't opening as it should.  On mine
if I overlaid
the genset that line breaker
opens and the genset does not
shut down.
 On my
boat, I can charge
batteries and make water, or make water
and
run an air conditioner or two.  If the batteries
aren't too low then I can eek out water
making + battery
charging + 1 AC unit. 
 Let us know what you
find. 
 Sincerely,   Gary S. Silver    s/v
LiahonaAmel
SM 2000 Hull # 335
 -  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto
Rico 
     










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Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

mkbiz@...
 

I use a Rocna 33 on my Maramu #148 and have no complaints so far. Yes, it looks sooo big in the shop, but you hardly notice it when mounted.

It settles quite well into the standard roll, though you might want to put some padding at the middle rod of the puplit, where it comes into contact with the anchors roll-bar.

Michael
Re: Changes to Yahoo

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

The new platform looks stable, easy to use, easy to search, and with articles generally well-classified by section (the poster chooses where to post).

I for one will be moving over to 


I might pop up here from time to time for old time's sake.

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350 (2002)
Docked at Real Club Nautico Torrevieja, Spain

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

We tried to get someone in France to do the "hydro gommage' but we could not find anyone to do a boat as the boat would have to be put in a special part of the yard and surrounded by plastic - their enthusiasm quickly went when they realised this! In the end we hand scraped the bottom this took seven days of hard work for two people and two days sanding off the initial grey primer with fine sand paper.

Andrew

Ronpische
Canet-en-Ronpische
SM472

On 12 Feb 2016, at 18:32, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Eric,

there are now machines that do a very good job. In France we call it "hydro-gommage" which can be translated by water-erasing. In fact, this is a soft sand blasting with water and a special kind of sand based on sodium bicarbonate (ARMEX). With these machines, as Ian wrote, the operator can do a very accurate job, not removing any gel-coat.
Have a look at GRITCO dot FR (in english) or aerogommage dash probanet dot fr (french speaking).

Good luck for this job. Your hull will be happy and faster...

Olivier.



On Friday, February 12, 2016 6:10 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hello Olivier,
Do you think I should have the hull media blasted or hand scraped and sanded down to gel coat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 11:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint
 
 
Hello Warren,
 
the barrier that AMEL spreads while manufacturing the hull is made of isophtalic polyester resin with 1-2 mm glass scales. It is put just after the gel-coat is spread into the mould.  AMEL started this process in 1987 as some boats made in Europe were starting to get "blisters" on the outside of the hull, under the gel-coat.
 
However, your Sharki may have never suffered "blistering". Don't use too powerful high pressure machine to wash your hull (maximum 80 bars) as this is a major cause for starting blistering and osmosis.
 
Good luck for your hull works.
 
Olivier.
 
 
 
On Friday, February 12, 2016 12:26 PM, "trailz@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
Great and timely information for us. We are about to take our Sharki out for anti fouling.
Bill do you know if Sharki’s built in 1980 also featured this propriety osmotic coat?
We are hauling out in Malaysia and plan to use Jotun Seaforce 90.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Warren and Zetta
Manon2
Sharki #15
 
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From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎12‎ ‎February‎ ‎2016 ‎7‎:‎04‎ ‎p.m.
To: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
 
 
Eric,
 
I had BeBe hand scraped, then sanded in 2011. The original bottom paint was an International hard paint. There was no barrier coat because it is not needed on your Super Maramu as Amel has a propriety osmotic coat beneath the gelcoat... 
 
I have always used International Micron 66 or Micron 77. I do not believe Micron 77 is available in the US or any country influenced by what the EPA allows...I have seen it here in Martinique. FYI, the EPA has not approved a single new bottom paint in the last 7 years (politics). Micron 77 is better than 66 because you can take 77 into fresh water...77 becomes inert after too much fresh water.
 
Bill
BeBe 387
 
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi Ian and Judy,
Did he actually use sand or another media?
Best
Fair Winds
Eric
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@... ]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint
 
 
Hi Eric,
 
We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.
  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.
 
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece



On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi,
I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.
I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bott om and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.
Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?
Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?
Olivier, what would you recommend?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
 
 
Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

jjjk12s@...
 

Jean-Paul,

 

I have a Manson Supreme 60lb. Similar to Rocna - fits ok, just touches the pullpit upright when stowed. It's a very good anchor.

 

This topic has come up before, try searching through conversations. There's a Maramu called Chara that has a 33kg Rocna and most likely several others.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye

 


 
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