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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

jjjk12s@...
 

Eric,

 

That's Australian dollars. And it's an expensive place.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

eric freedman
 

I meant to write 12 volt group 31 EV (electric vehicle) they are thick plate wet cell batteries.



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?





I think you will find that the group 32 EV9Electric vehicle) batteries are much less expensive than that. They are used for things such as fork lifts and industrial equipment.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?





Colin,



The caps on the Trojan T105s just press on and one long cap does the three cells. Since it's best to inspect them now and again not much effort to top up manually, once a month maybe and especially if working hard.



When my boat was in Brisbane 4 years ago I think they were about $200 each. I bought some new ones in Cairns recently $250 each. I thought they would be more because of the lower exchange rate.



John, Maramu #91 Popeye





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FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

eric freedman
 

 

Sorry should be 12 volt group 32 (EV)

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

 

I think you will find that the group 32 EV9Electric vehicle) batteries are much less expensive than that. They are used for things such as fork lifts and industrial equipment.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

 

Colin,

 

The caps on the Trojan T105s just press on and one long cap does the three cells. Since it's best to inspect them now and again not much effort to top up manually, once a month maybe and especially if working hard.

 

When my boat was in Brisbane 4 years ago I think they were about $200 each. I bought some new ones in Cairns recently $250 each. I thought they would be more because of the lower exchange rate.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

eric freedman
 

I think you will find that the group 32 EV9Electric vehicle) batteries are much less expensive than that. They are used for things such as fork lifts and industrial equipment.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 2:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

 

Colin,

 

The caps on the Trojan T105s just press on and one long cap does the three cells. Since it's best to inspect them now and again not much effort to top up manually, once a month maybe and especially if working hard.

 

When my boat was in Brisbane 4 years ago I think they were about $200 each. I bought some new ones in Cairns recently $250 each. I thought they would be more because of the lower exchange rate.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

jjjk12s@...
 

Colin,

 

The caps on the Trojan T105s just press on and one long cap does the three cells. Since it's best to inspect them now and again not much effort to top up manually, once a month maybe and especially if working hard.

 

When my boat was in Brisbane 4 years ago I think they were about $200 each. I bought some new ones in Cairns recently $250 each. I thought they would be more because of the lower exchange rate.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi John

Thanks, Trojan T105's looks like the way we will go too after all the comments, or equivalent 12v. I am just off to the boat now to measure it up. BatteryWorld here are suggesting we go with an identical battery (US2200 6V) which they recon is better (and more expensive of course!) however from this group it seems to me Trojans are the trusted choice around the world, easily purchased in the sort of far away places we hope to cruise to, and also pretty economical.

Assuming they will fit as they appear taller than the DIN92L size Magneti Marelli ones installed in the Canary Islands in early 2011. 

The battery suppliers are suggesting an automatic water feeder system that works on floats to top up the batteries via a reticulated plunger system. This worries me in terms of not having sealed screw in caps which I think would be safer but just wondering if anyone has tried this sort of system yet?

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:31 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

 

The confusing world of batteries half art and half science. On our Maramu we use Trojan 6V golf cart batteries. They are readily available in Brisbane. Not sure if it is worth changing all the cables from 12V though and you would obviously need to check the case sizes.

 

I've had maintenace free before but if the batteries are worked hard then the stickers have to be removed to get at the caps to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water as necessary, so not much point. Personally I think the cost of AGM and Gel is only worth it if you need to charge very fast, faster than a wet battery can cope with, or you think your boat might end up upside down one day!.

 

You also have choices whether you want calcium, silver calcium etc......

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye, Port Douglas




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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

jjjk12s@...
 

Colin,

 

The confusing world of batteries half art and half science. On our Maramu we use Trojan 6V golf cart batteries. They are readily available in Brisbane. Not sure if it is worth changing all the cables from 12V though and you would obviously need to check the case sizes.

 

I've had maintenace free before but if the batteries are worked hard then the stickers have to be removed to get at the caps to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water as necessary, so not much point. Personally I think the cost of AGM and Gel is only worth it if you need to charge very fast, faster than a wet battery can cope with, or you think your boat might end up upside down one day!.

 

You also have choices whether you want calcium, silver calcium etc......

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye, Port Douglas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

eric freedman
 

The triatic antenna is not a dipole. It is connected to the antenna part of the triatic close to the insulator

nearest the mizzen mast. The non-insulated part is about a foot long on either end.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

 

 

This goes well, thank you Eric. I,ve just done that. My problem is how to connect the coax cable that comes from the mizzen to the insulated part of the triatic. . Because if the triatic antenna wants be a dipole should also be insulated in the middle and have two half antennas. Or not? Greetings and good winds. Enio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tandem Anchors

eric freedman
 

FTI-Eric Forsyth has a number of anchors including a Rocna.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tandem Anchors

 

 

It would be great in the kelp however outside of the kelp beds they're not. Effective. The problem that we have is that most of us will be on the hook and sand mud and gravel where larger surface area makes more sense. The only time I've ever wished for a fisherman anchor French islands of Pocorella in the Med


Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard 

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI 

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330


On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:32, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interestingly,

My friend Eric Forsyth who is a world famous high latitude sailor still swears by the fisherman anchor in kelp. Blue water medal recipient and still sailing high latitudes at age 83 on his yacht Fiona.

Best

eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tandem Anchors
To: "amelyachtowners@..."

> Ian,
>
> Thanks for posting your experience with tandem anchoring. *I
> totally agree
> with you.* I think tandem anchoring is a thing of the past when
> most people
> used fisherman type anchors, and it was great then, not now!
>
> Sometimes it is difficult to differentiate the "wisdom of age"
> from the
> lack of new knowledge, and some highly experienced people will
> tell you
> what they know, but omit that they stopped learning years ago.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
> BeBe 387
> Martinique
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy
> ianjudyjenkins@...[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi y'all,
> >
> > Just to contribute my
> pennyworth....about ten years
> > ago we spent three seasons in the Chilean canales, two of
> which were in the
> > south around the Beagle Channel and the Cape Horn area. Anchoring
> > conditions were sometimes rather more interesting than you
> might want.
> >
> > We had been advised that tandem anchoring was the sensible
> approach in
> > that area. In the first season we tried it. Our main anchor is
> a 33kg
> > stainless Spade and ahead of that we attached a 15 kg
> aluminium Spade.
> > Weight apart, they share the same dimensions. After about 8
> weeks we
> > stopped using them in tandem and ever since we have just
> relied on our
> > single, main, anchor.
> >
> >
> > The reason why we took that decision is that , even after a
> hard blow,
> > there was no evidence that the first anchor, the 15kg, had
> ever been
> > called upon--the main anchor had always dug in quickly and
> didn't drag. If
> > you think about it, your first anchor will not set unless it
> comes under
> > tension from the main anchor. To provide that tension, the
> main anchor
> > needs to move backwards, either whilst it is setting itself
> or, having set,
> > when it subsequently drags. Our main anchor was doing neither.
> >
> >
> > I was also concerned about what would happen if we moved
> through 180
> > degrees In that case, your anchor chain might foul the first
> anchor and
> > if your main anchor were to drag it, too, could foul the
> first anchor.
> >
> >
> > Lastly, recovering the first anchor was a nuisance. Pen Azen
> doesn't have
> > twin rollers, just the main roller to starboard and the ( very
> useful)> secondary roller. If you have to leave an anchorage in
> a hurry--usually at
> > 0300 in the dark and the rain-- it's wonderful to just press
> the button,
> > bring home your main anchor and get away.
> >
> >
> > In summary, in our experience, given the holding power of
> modern anchors
> > like the Spade and the Rocna, we would always opt for a single
> > anchor....plus LOTS of chain.
> >
> >
> > Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

eric freedman
 

I forgot to mention that these batteries are wet cell batteries.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

 

Did you look at 12 volt group 32 EV batteries (electric vehicle) They are deep cycle unlike the original batteries that were furnished with my boat. They are exactly the same size as the original batteries. The only difference is that they have dual terminals on the top.

 

I replaced all the bulbs on board Kimberlite except the bow and stern navigation lights.

I purchased mine from Atlantic Marine in Huntington NY USA, for about $20- a fixture.

They are also available from Defender Marine in Connecticut USA, and West marine all over the USA.

Did you try eBay?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

 

Thank you to all again for such good advice so quickly. We will get all the measurements, prices and stock availability over the next couple days. One other factor is that we had the 12v lead acid setup before so all the connector are already there in place to re-use (and copy for non-experts like ourselves), however we are now leaning towards the 6v option based on this discussion, and Bill's last comment, but will look at the total price, quality & availability of all options before a final decision.

 

Next question (in a separate topic) will be on finding a good source for LED lights to fit into out SM2000 (2001) existing fittings? We just have not been able to get suitable ones in Australia so looking for an internet purchase source and stock number. Our internal lights are our most major power draw each evening and we are now finding these not bright enough to read easily at night. Changing that will truly transform our consumption and hopefully give us a 100% non-plug in boat most of the time with only occasional generator use.

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

eric freedman
 

Did you look at 12 volt group 32 EV batteries (electric vehicle) They are deep cycle unlike the original batteries that were furnished with my boat. They are exactly the same size as the original batteries. The only difference is that they have dual terminals on the top.

 

I replaced all the bulbs on board Kimberlite except the bow and stern navigation lights.

I purchased mine from Atlantic Marine in Huntington NY USA, for about $20- a fixture.

They are also available from Defender Marine in Connecticut USA, and West marine all over the USA.

Did you try eBay?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

 

Thank you to all again for such good advice so quickly. We will get all the measurements, prices and stock availability over the next couple days. One other factor is that we had the 12v lead acid setup before so all the connector are already there in place to re-use (and copy for non-experts like ourselves), however we are now leaning towards the 6v option based on this discussion, and Bill's last comment, but will look at the total price, quality & availability of all options before a final decision.

 

Next question (in a separate topic) will be on finding a good source for LED lights to fit into out SM2000 (2001) existing fittings? We just have not been able to get suitable ones in Australia so looking for an internet purchase source and stock number. Our internal lights are our most major power draw each evening and we are now finding these not bright enough to read easily at night. Changing that will truly transform our consumption and hopefully give us a 100% non-plug in boat most of the time with only occasional generator use.

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for a LED lights supplier & part number (to fit SM2000 existing internal fittings)?

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

See my previous reply. 

JPG 
SM 007


On 26 Feb 2016, at 02:36, colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our SM2000 (2001 model) still has the original globe fittings as originally supplied by Amel. We want to change these over to LED but hope to keep the original fittings. Our fittings are the top round flat stainless edged lights with switch on the side as well as the wall mounted fittings with shades.


Reason for this change is both because we find the lighting not bright enough for reading and/or doing fine work at night anymore, but mainly because of the huge draw of almost 1 amp per light!. We would often have lights on right across the boat at night (we still have a teenage university student daughter with us at home) and the power draw is HUGE!!.


There are a few local sources of LED's here in Australia but the globes do not fit correctly and I have exhausted the list of potential suppliers so hoping to be able to purchase these overseas over the internet.


Has anyone found good LED globes that just fit into the SM2000 fittings? If so what is the supplier web address and part numbers?


Thanking you in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane, Australia 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

We have all LED incl deck lights, engine room, NAV lights.  

We bought from boatlamps dot co dot uk.  Good quality and stock.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 26 Feb 2016, at 02:18, colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you to all again for such good advice so quickly. We will get all the measurements, prices and stock availability over the next couple days. One other factor is that we had the 12v lead acid setup before so all the connector are already there in place to re-use (and copy for non-experts like ourselves), however we are now leaning towards the 6v option based on this discussion, and Bill's last comment, but will look at the total price, quality & availability of all options before a final decision.


Next question (in a separate topic) will be on finding a good source for LED lights to fit into out SM2000 (2001) existing fittings? We just have not been able to get suitable ones in Australia so looking for an internet purchase source and stock number. Our internal lights are our most major power draw each evening and we are now finding these not bright enough to read easily at night. Changing that will truly transform our consumption and hopefully give us a 100% non-plug in boat most of the time with only occasional generator use.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


Looking for a LED lights supplier & part number (to fit SM2000 existing internal fittings)?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Our SM2000 (2001 model) still has the original globe fittings as originally supplied by Amel. We want to change these over to LED but hope to keep the original fittings. Our fittings are the top round flat stainless edged lights with switch on the side as well as the wall mounted fittings with shades.


Reason for this change is both because we find the lighting not bright enough for reading and/or doing fine work at night anymore, but mainly because of the huge draw of almost 1 amp per light!. We would often have lights on right across the boat at night (we still have a teenage university student daughter with us at home) and the power draw is HUGE!!.


There are a few local sources of LED's here in Australia but the globes do not fit correctly and I have exhausted the list of potential suppliers so hoping to be able to purchase these overseas over the internet.


Has anyone found good LED globes that just fit into the SM2000 fittings? If so what is the supplier web address and part numbers?


Thanking you in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane, Australia 


Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Thank you to all again for such good advice so quickly. We will get all the measurements, prices and stock availability over the next couple days. One other factor is that we had the 12v lead acid setup before so all the connector are already there in place to re-use (and copy for non-experts like ourselves), however we are now leaning towards the 6v option based on this discussion, and Bill's last comment, but will look at the total price, quality & availability of all options before a final decision.

Next question (in a separate topic) will be on finding a good source for LED lights to fit into out SM2000 (2001) existing fittings? We just have not been able to get suitable ones in Australia so looking for an internet purchase source and stock number. Our internal lights are our most major power draw each evening and we are now finding these not bright enough to read easily at night. Changing that will truly transform our consumption and hopefully give us a 100% non-plug in boat most of the time with only occasional generator use.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

We are here in Martinique Le Marina du Marin, Pontoon 5.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:00 PM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have joined the new site. Looks good. It is under 'our' control (thanks to the folk who did all that work I could never do!).
The point was that Yahoo might pull the rug. We can't control Facebook and they too could pull the rug.

On a personal note I used to know my way round Facebook, but after so many 'updates' I can't keep up with the changes.

It would be good to 'own' any changes.

Will continue to watch Yahoo and our new site until a decision is required.

PS. I looked for you Bill on Marin last week but you may have been elsewhere in Martinique. I'm in Guadaloupe now leaving tomorrow for Antigua. Sorry I couldn't shake your hand!

Ian 'Ocean Hobo' SN96

Sent from my iPod



B&G Sonic Speed unit for sale

Amel Salvagny
 

I have a functioning B&G Sonic Speed unit that was taken out of my Santorin recently. If you would like a reserve or replacement unit for your Amel B&G installation then this will go for highest bid... Buyer will need to pay for P&P from Denmark :-)

You are most welcome to contact me on larshknudsen@... or post a reply to this.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fuel shut-off valves?

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Ian

On my Santorin, I added 2-35 gallon fuel tanks in the stern lazarette for longer voyages in lieu of jerry cans. I have a fuel transfer pump in the engine room that connects to a three way fuel shutoff (same location). Beats fuel sloshing  around the cockpit.

Ric Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fuel shut-off valves?

 

 

For Santorin owners, when I first bought the boat I had the shut off valve closed (by accident). The engine stopped after 3 minutes, in the middle of a marina! So it works ok on our model!

Ian. Ocean Hobo SN96

Sent from my iPod


Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Alejandro Paquin
 

Hello to all,
Our Older Maramu has 4 x 6V flooded deep cycle 190 ah batteries (total 380 ah) manufactured by a company in Venezuela. They are 5 years old and I think are at the end of their life cycle right now. We have 400W of Kyocera solar panels and one new Air X wind generator on the mizzen with a maximum output of 400W, which works quite well in the Caribbean.
The biggest constant draw onboard is a 6 cu ft  Isotherm refrigerator and one 3 cu ft Frigoboat freezer. The lighting is all LED. I believe the stereo, the fresh water pump and the anchor windlass are occasional loads that are handled well by the system.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981, Hull #94


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

Ian Park
 

I have an FX 23 as a stern anchor. It holds very well and can be a pain to dig out, but that's a good thing. I have a piece of drain pipe, an end plug glued on at the bottom and a couple of drain holes drilled on. Two saw cuts halfway down  either side accommodate the anchor and three metres of stainless steel chain. The pipe is fastened upright to the stern push pit stanchions. It's accessible. It's cheap to make. I pinched the idea from a fellow sailor. 

The SS chain is much cleaner in the dinghy and chandlery soften have and end length going cheap. 

Ian. Ocean Hobo. SN96

Sent from my iPod

On 20 Feb 2016, at 18:12, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 
I have an FX 55 in stern lazerette.  It is light  but not small so need to allow adequate space to store .  Several suppliers offer a rail mounting for this anchor which makes it quickly accessible in an emergency.  Of course You have another piece of hardware on deck.    It is great to have an aluminum anchor to take out by dinghy . 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:11 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I also changed to a Rocna 40 and we are very happy with that, however we got rid of the CQR 33 kg we had, it is difficult to store and very cumbersome to handle in case you need to take an extra anchor out in the dingy. I'm thinking of geting a Fortress fx 55 or fx 85 as a back up, should be easier to stow, much easier to lay out with the dingy, They get very good ratings at most tests. Anyone having any experience with the Fortress? or have an other idea for back up? The fortress are very expensive as well as the spade Aluminium anchor, which also seams as a good back up anchor

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259