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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Jean-Pierre and all

Many thanks for the tips on where to source LED's for the internal light fittings on our SM2000. Just been browsing though the boatlamps.uk site in particular and it has everything we were looking for. Happy days.. :) 

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

Paul Osterberg
 

Kent
I guess so. there are one stud with YG cables and I assume it,s the thick YG cable to disconnect none of the YG are labeled only the +/- are labeled BLU
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vuda Point

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks bob. 
Really appreciate your information.
It is a remarkable marina made more so by the dedicated staff.
Regards
Danny


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-------- Original message --------
From: "bob Sarff bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:02/03/2016 13:55 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vuda Point

 

Hi Danny.  The boats in the water did mostly fine.  A lot of rocking and minor dings but nothing major.   There were 4 I believe boats on stands that had damage from falling off their stands.  All things considered it could have beef a lot worse.

Bob 
SV Chara

On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,
as a Vuda point regular I was concerned to see how they had fared. So the pit boats were OK. How did the ones in the water and on the hardstand fare.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "bob Sarff bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2016 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

 
Thanks Alan for the quick reply.  I do have an automatic tuner and wondered if tuning to the longer physical length by adding in the triatic would be an advantage. 

In at in a pit at Vuda Marina and we were spared the worst of the cyclone.  I came back to check the condition myself and found Chara in the same condition as I left her.  Much relieved!

There are three other Amels here and all look good.

Thanks again,    Bob 

On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Bob,
If you have an automatic tuner there would be no advantage in connecting the triatic to your backstay. The tuner tunes the frequency to the length of the antenna automatically.
If you don't have an auto tuner then you need to be aware of the length of your antenna relative to the frequencies you want to use. Some will work well, others hardly at all.
Where in Fiji are you ?
You survived WINSTON ok ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

HI,

You just use the core of the coax n use the triatic for navtex or weather fax.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 9:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

 

 

Thanks Eric, the insulated part of triatic is not a dipole. Well, the copper core of the coaxial is connected to the insulated  part of the triatic, but WHERE do I connect the shielding braid? A building site has replaced the triatic without reconnecting cables........ 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

Alan Leslie
 

The BLU wire is only connected to the sintered SSB ground plate. Once you disconnect it from the connector block at the cart tabke it is not connected to anything else.
Are you sitting in salt water when you make the measurement between the bonding wire and the BLU ground ?
If so there will be a circuit through the salt water from the SSB ground plate to the zincs.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Cheers

On Mar 2, 2016, at 3:27 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,


Good to know they are all OK...I saw a photo of Reve de Lune and Amelit in the cyclone pits and they are both apparently OK.

I doubt its worth the trouble with the triatic stay, good ground is more important.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Bob,

Good to know they are all OK...I saw a photo of Reve de Lune and Amelit in the cyclone pits and they are both apparently OK.

I doubt its worth the trouble with the triatic stay, good ground is more important.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

karkauai
 

Glad you're making progress, Paul.  I haven't looked into the connection from the SSB plates yet.  Does anyone else know how the antenna system is connected to the ground plates?
Paul, have you found the stud behind the nav station where other bonding wires are attached?  Make sure that your BLU wire to the ground plate doesn't go through that.
Kent



From: "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

 
Hello again Kent!
Did some late night work and tanks to your input I found the wire from the zink and connected that to the bilge ground strap, so now there is no resistance between the Zink and the rudder post or the zink and the prop shaft everything seams to be alright, but still with the BLU disconnected at the chart table it is still full contact between the cooper strap in the aft lazaret and the ground strap and bye that also the zink. So still not solved my original problem! to get the sintered plates disconnected from the zink. But know much more about the ground system and can now label a few wires, which i did not know where they went

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vuda Point

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Hi Danny.  The boats in the water did mostly fine.  A lot of rocking and minor dings but nothing major.   There were 4 I believe boats on stands that had damage from falling off their stands.  All things considered it could have beef a lot worse.

Bob 
SV Chara

On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,
as a Vuda point regular I was concerned to see how they had fared. So the pit boats were OK. How did the ones in the water and on the hardstand fare.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "bob Sarff bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2016 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

 
Thanks Alan for the quick reply.  I do have an automatic tuner and wondered if tuning to the longer physical length by adding in the triatic would be an advantage. 

In at in a pit at Vuda Marina and we were spared the worst of the cyclone.  I came back to check the condition myself and found Chara in the same condition as I left her.  Much relieved!

There are three other Amels here and all look good.

Thanks again,    Bob 

On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Bob,
If you have an automatic tuner there would be no advantage in connecting the triatic to your backstay. The tuner tunes the frequency to the length of the antenna automatically.
If you don't have an auto tuner then you need to be aware of the length of your antenna relative to the frequencies you want to use. Some will work well, others hardly at all.
Where in Fiji are you ?
You survived WINSTON ok ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437



Re: Vuda Point

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bob,
as a Vuda point regular I was concerned to see how they had fared. So the pit boats were OK. How did the ones in the water and on the hardstand fare.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "bob Sarff bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2016 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

 
Thanks Alan for the quick reply.  I do have an automatic tuner and wondered if tuning to the longer physical length by adding in the triatic would be an advantage. 

In at in a pit at Vuda Marina and we were spared the worst of the cyclone.  I came back to check the condition myself and found Chara in the same condition as I left her.  Much relieved!

There are three other Amels here and all look good.

Thanks again,    Bob 

On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Bob,
If you have an automatic tuner there would be no advantage in connecting the triatic to your backstay. The tuner tunes the frequency to the length of the antenna automatically.
If you don't have an auto tuner then you need to be aware of the length of your antenna relative to the frequencies you want to use. Some will work well, others hardly at all.
Where in Fiji are you ?
You survived WINSTON ok ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Alan for the quick reply.  I do have an automatic tuner and wondered if tuning to the longer physical length by adding in the triatic would be an advantage. 

In at in a pit at Vuda Marina and we were spared the worst of the cyclone.  I came back to check the condition myself and found Chara in the same condition as I left her.  Much relieved!

There are three other Amels here and all look good.

Thanks again,    Bob 

On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,

If you have an automatic tuner there would be no advantage in connecting the triatic to your backstay. The tuner tunes the frequency to the length of the antenna automatically.
If you don't have an auto tuner then you need to be aware of the length of your antenna relative to the frequencies you want to use. Some will work well, others hardly at all.
Where in Fiji are you ?
You survived WINSTON ok ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Bob,
If you have an automatic tuner there would be no advantage in connecting the triatic to your backstay. The tuner tunes the frequency to the length of the antenna automatically.
If you don't have an auto tuner then you need to be aware of the length of your antenna relative to the frequencies you want to use. Some will work well, others hardly at all.
Where in Fiji are you ?
You survived WINSTON ok ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Alan, I have a Maramu and use the backstay as my SSB antenna.  It's been working well.  I was wondering if lengthening the antenna by  connecting my insulated triatic with gto-15 cable would improve reception/transmission.  

Thanks for any advise you can offer.
 
Bob
SV Chara
Currently in Fiji 

On Mar 2, 2016, at 7:45 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The insulated triatic is not useable as an SSB antenna.To answer the question though, the core of the coax is connected to the insulated triatic, the shiled is not connected to anything.

The triatic may work as a weatherfax receiver (its original intention) but as an SSB antenna it is useless...I know from experience.
I connected my antenna wire from the tuner to the main backstay and it worked well. WE now have an insulated backstay for our SSB antenna...insulated only to prevent shocking the crew...the Amel rig is not grounded.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Desallator Duo 60 220v problem -

chris2price@...
 

Many thanks for the advice.  I've been in touch with Dessolator & they say the same thing.  I'll buy a new capacitor !


H2O maker- third

hanspeter baettig
 

I never mentioned to flush the watermaker with chemicals twice per week ?!?
The chemical addetive is only for hybernation or during wintering when you do not use the h2o maker > 4-6 month. According to Dessalator it is not necessary to flush the membrans with fresh water twice per week or lets say every time when you are yousing the watermaker for producing fresh water. Logically the memgrans are wet. It is sufficiant to flush the h2o maker ~ 2-3 week interval. Therefor you save fresh water, and thats all about.
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
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Am 01.03.2016 um 16:25 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I think that you may be describing what Dessalator calls the "sterilizing cartridge." It does work well using the "flush" procedure. I have the sterilizing cartridge, but no longer use it.

I did something different for when our boat may be unattended. I make sure the fresh water tank is full. I have a programmable 24VDC timer and a 24VDC valve that is set to flush the membranes 2 times a week for 5 minutes. This uses about 30 liters of fresh water a week. If the tank is full I can easily leave the boat for 30 weeks. I leave it ON all the time, even when I am on the boat because previous to this addition, I would forget to flush twice a week. In my opinion, keeping the membranes wet with fresh water is a much better solution than using caustic chemicals.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:29 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Colin.
Btw I installed also last year the Duo watermaker 100 l. Very good watermaker!
I spoke recently at the Paris boat show with Mr. Wagner jun., the owner of Dessalator. He showd me his new hibernation system for the watermakers, a semi automatic system. Its a tube where you put in the prefilter, put in the chemicals and then you switch on without pressure the system, that means you do not have to disconnect any houses. It was new for me, maybe other members know it already. Everything on spare parts are of curse on the dessalators website (also in eng.)
I heard from very good friends that Brisbane is a lovely sailing area and an interessting city.
Kind regards
Hanspeter
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 01.03.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Hanspeter

Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately you miss-read what I wrote there, and on reading it again now I can see why, and that it is my fault and I should write things more clearly on this forum.

Anyhow, what I said (or meant to say) was that the davits cost us approximately 25% less than if I had ordered similar davits to be welded up and made for our boat by an Australian davit maker. Twice before I have had davits made here in Australia (once for an Island Packet 40, and the other for a South Coast 36 design) and each time we spent approximately $15,000 AUD on these. However neither were as well made and as large as the ones from Turkey so I assume such a set would be a fair bit more for an Amel 53, possibly around $20,000 AUD. Therefore Emerek's price was 25% cheaper even after all the duty etc.

Although Australia is a beautiful country to cruise in and visit, unfortunately it is a very expensive place for boating works and equipment and this is why we took the opportunity to add many many things onto our Amel such as a new 100 l/hr 240v/24v duo watermaker, a second full auto-pilot with quick change over switch, new radios, GPS, AIS, Sails,.......etc etc when we had our boat in the Canary Islands in 2011 as it was so very cheap there compared to doing all this work back here in Australia.

Also the solar panels and controllers were very reasonably priced - we got two 260w panels (total 540w) plus a Tracer MPPT controller with MT50 display all of which did not cost much at all (purchased new on E-Bay) and which we installed ourselves. So I would think that Kent's proposed budget of US$18,000 is actually a very realistic figure to have all this equipment added. I would be surprised if it cost him more that that.

Please don't think that you disturb me with your questions at all. Quite to the contrary questions from very experienced members such you on this site is of great benefit to us all especially since you have now more that 20 years experience sailing an Amel. This is what actually makes this site so valuable in my view.

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:33 AM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Colin
Thanks for your interesting info. I have however a calculation problem, which I maybe make a mistske. In Kents mail he mentioned the cost for him for dingy/ solar arch (480 pw at least) about 18k US$.
You paid by Riza 25% less including all the extras (duty/transport/Vat)
I have it done also there. Its not Riza , its a exellent subcontracor , who did the job. And the very good electrician, paid by Riza, Tamar his name. 
That means you paid about 13500 US$ fot the complete arch incloudind the high performance batterie solar controler ?
I hope I do not disturbe you with my question, only I was wondering about the real cost.
Best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM #16

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Am 29.02.2016 um 13:36 schrieb Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Kent
Sorry for the delay as I just noticed your post now, and also thanks to Bill for the feedback on the US2200 which seem like a good option too with a slightly smaller footprint and height than the Trojans. A couple answers to Kent's questions:

1) Your cost estimates are about right for the arch and panels. We, along with many others on this site went with Riza's arch and had it shipped to Australia. The cost, even after having to pay import duty, customs, Australian GST was still about 25% cheaper than if I had a local Brisbane s/s welder make it for me. More importantly though was the fine job Riza did on it as he has all the curves in the right places compared to what I local welder would have done. We constantly have people stop at our dock and enquire where we had it made.

2) The downside I referred to is moving the engine battery from the internal battery compartment to the engine room and making up a new fibreglass waterproof battery box to sit across the engine and genset bearers against the rear wall of the engine room to the RHS of the Racor fuel filter with a separate set of battery switches. Whilst there are advantages in having a shorter cable run to start the motors, we have always been extremely reluctant to change anything on our boat from the original design as the previous owner had taken such great care of the boat with everything in almost "as new" condition when we got it despite it's age. Such a decision for us is a major issue (as was the decision to put an arch on the boat) to think very carefully about however there would be huge benefits in having 675 amp hours available.

3)  I am absolutely no expert in these matters compared to all the other regular contributors on this forum however I did notice from all the discussions that Danny has had his batteries (in the above format) since 2009 and that they are still going strong which could possibly be linked to having over 650 amp hours of storage (on the older 8+1 battery design SM2000) and never needing to run it down much compared to the rest of us with 650 amp hours storage and his solar and wind generator setup. I note you also picked up on this potential benefit of more battery longevity with a potentially higher amp hour storage.

This is very tempting indeed but today I fitted the first 8 Trojan T 105's (we now have 450 amp hours instead of the previous 360) and it is clear that I cannot fit another 4 in there due to the height of the box at the aft end where the last 2 batteries would need to go being only 265mm and the batteries 270mm. We would not want a situation where there is no air circulation room above the batteries. There is however a huge amount of room remaining - in fact enough to put in an additional two spare 12v engine started batteries (which are lower) - but not the required height for the 6v's. Based on this we will now stay with the 450 amp hours in the interim and see how we go. 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey Colin, et al,
I've been watching this thread with great interest.  It's great to hear all the different solutions to the Amel power  needs.  I'm still using the original configuration of 8 flooded lead acid 12v for the house bank.  They are inexpensive and easy to find anywhere.  I charge for an hour or a little more twice a day without supplemental solar or wind. I run the desalinator when charging  in clean water, and run the washer about twice a week.  I discharge to no lower than 24v, usually ~24.4v.

I'm really intrigued by the 12-6v house bank idea.  675 AH is significantly more than what I have, but not twice as much.  I would still have to charge twice a day without adding solar/wind.  The advantage seems to me to be discharging the batteries less, at least theoretically improving their longevity.    From experience of those who have done this, could I expect the batteries to last a lot longer (mine last 3-4 years now)?

If I were to add solar and/or wind I would want to add an arch/davits (on my wish list anyway) which would cost a total of ?$18-22K (is that a reasonable guesstimate for arch/davits/solar/ wind?).  Could I eliminate charging for the most part, or at least reduce my charging to once a day?  I would still need to run the generator to run the washer and watermaker which I would probably do at least twice a week.

I'm mostly thinking that the reduction in running the generator or added convenience would not justify the cost, unless adding solar and wind would mostly eliminate the need for daily charging.

Colin, you said you were going offline with this discussion after saying "Of course there are some downsides to this too".  Aside from the cost and added complexity and maintenance required when adding solar/wind, what other downsides do you anticipate?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 26, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny
Thanks, having done the measurements I can see how they would fit in with 3  banks of 4 x 6v if the engine battery is moved to the engine bay. This would leave plenty space in the the battery compartment and take our house battery  amps from 360 amps @ 24v (old 90amp 12v x 8 bat system) to 675amps @ 24v. Aĺl this in the smaller / older SM2000 8 house battery compartment.

Of course there are some downsides to this too. Will contact you direct as this thread has potentially gone on a little too long on the same topic now.

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On 27 Feb 2016 10:51 am, "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Sorry Colin I missed the word "Trojan" in my last post. Pointless without it
Cheers
Danny


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-------- Original message --------
From: "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:27/02/2016 11:29 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Hi Colin.  Ocean pearl had 12 six volt golf cart batteries on purchase and they fitted. 
Cheers
Danny 
Sm 299 
Ocean pearl 


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date:27/02/2016  03:18  (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Thanks Eric for following up. I will look out for those ones too as I am keen to see the dimensions for fit.  The best price on a Trojan T-105 here today was AUD$275. There is another USA brand equivalent called a US2200 with the same physical dimensions and 7 AMPS more storage at $235 each. The battery salesman recons that these are just as good as the Trojans ... but I have not heard of these before so am not so sure?

Interestingly we took our battery compartment internal measurements this afternoon and the height is problematic as the compartment is 1610mm long x 385mm wide but the depth slopes slightly from 260mm at the af




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

Ian Park
 

I guess this means that the Santorin does not have a dedicated SSB ground. Mine therefore must be connected to the zincs, which is why they are wearing more quickly.
How have other Santorins grounded SSBs?

Ian. 'OceN Hobo' SN96

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello again Kent!
Did some late night work and tanks to your input I found the wire from the zink and connected that to the bilge ground strap, so now there is no resistance between the Zink and the rudder post or the zink and the prop shaft everything seams to be alright, but still with the BLU disconnected at the chart table it is still full contact between the cooper strap in the aft lazaret and the ground strap and bye that also the zink. So still not solved my original problem! to get the sintered plates disconnected from the zink. But know much more about the ground system and can now label a few wires, which i did not know where they went

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

Alan Leslie
 

The insulated triatic is not useable as an SSB antenna.To answer the question though, the core of the coax is connected to the insulated triatic, the shiled is not connected to anything.
The triatic may work as a weatherfax receiver (its original intention) but as an SSB antenna it is useless...I know from experience.
I connected my antenna wire from the tuner to the main backstay and it worked well. WE now have an insulated backstay for our SSB antenna...insulated only to prevent shocking the crew...the Amel rig is not grounded.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grounding

Paul Osterberg
 

Kent!
Thank you very much this will help a lot
Unfortunately I'm leaving the boat for a 14 night and have to clear out all the wires then.
But I'm sure it will be much easier with this input
Thank again.
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

JP Mans
 

OK David
But il will be in April, my boat is in Grece and I only will be there at this time.
Friendly
Jean-Paul