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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Bill,
I bought the same mixing elbow as all of you. But it has thick mounting flange 12 mm and mounting pins on my engine were not long sufficiently to accommodate thick flange. Fabricated elbow has 6 mm flange. 

On Mar 8, 2016 12:43 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,

I did not see what engine you have, BUT, the one I bought from an eBay supplier was a simple installation and perfect fit on my 100hp Yanmar 4JH3-HTE, and several other Yanmar models owned by non-Amel friends who have the 56hp, 75hp, and 110hp Yanmar.

Bill
BeBe

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Eric,

You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.

I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.

Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"

On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

 

 

This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.

Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.

On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.

I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Vladimir,

I did not see what engine you have, BUT, the one I bought from an eBay supplier was a simple installation and perfect fit on my 100hp Yanmar 4JH3-HTE, and several other Yanmar models owned by non-Amel friends who have the 56hp, 75hp, and 110hp Yanmar.

Bill
BeBe

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Eric,

You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.

I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.

Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"

On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

 

 

This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.

Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.

On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.

I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: furlers gear box lubrication

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Alan,
Yes, you're right about oil, not grease, being used - as I noted, Bonfiglioli fills these at the factory with Shell Tivela S320 weight gear oil, not grease, and considers it permanent lubrication, expecting 25,000 hours of operation. Unfortunately, as many of us have experienced, with the heat of baking in the sun and the harsh environment on the boat it does drip out and water gets in.  
Just out of curiosity, so we can all learn, is that why you replaced both of your gearboxes? If so, why would you expect not to have any issues in the future, if you are replacing them with the same thing?
Whether you use gear oil or grease is probably less important than adding grease nipples or access plugs so you can periodically refresh the lubricant and displace any water.
Cheers,
Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote :

These gearboxes are "lubricated for life" according to the label. I guess that means that when they run out of life they are no longer lubricated.
An old one that I took off was definitely filled with heavy weight oil not grease.
Oil seems the better bet to me...its a gearbox not a bearing.
Grease tends to get thrown off the gears and sticks to the case, oil on the other hand being less viscous is always in contact with the gear teeth surfaces.
Having recently replaced both outhaul and main furling gearboxes, I hope to never have any issues.
CHEERS
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shower head and sink tap replacement.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Greets Bob,

I just roamed Penguin Engineering in UK and they probably have what you need…

They have my shower heads and taps for the toilet sinks.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 8 Mar 2016, at 05:25, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have a source for the control/mixer/thermostat? Price? Key parts? I keep wondering what to do if it fails.  Amel Owner top priorities--Toilets, Engine and Fresh Water!  In that order.

Bob SM 429 KAIMI


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: furlers gear box lubrication

Alan Leslie
 

These gearboxes are "lubricated for life" according to the label. I guess that means that when they run out of life they are no longer lubricated.
An old one that I took off was definitely filled with heavy weight oil not grease.
Oil seems the better bet to me...its a gearbox not a bearing.
Grease tends to get thrown off the gears and sticks to the case, oil on the other hand being less viscous is always in contact with the gear teeth surfaces.
Having recently replaced both outhaul and main furling gearboxes, I hope to never have any issues.
CHEERS
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Shower head and sink tap replacement.

Alan Leslie
 

The shower mixer is GROHE brand, this is well known in the bathroom fittings business. The sink mixer is a generic unit, I have one in my house, you can buy these complete units from a plumbing shop or Bunnings or Home Depot kind of shop, there is nothing special about these things.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shower head and sink tap replacement.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Thank you for this information. Being in EU should be easy to deal with Penguin in the UK.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007


On 8 Mar 2016, at 06:37, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You could try Penguin Engineering in Uk. They supply Barka Italian products. Not sure about the Super Maramu but the quality and appearance is a good replacement for older Amels. On their website click on products then taps and showers and there they are. Being European the threads compatability should be ok. I've had some for a few years and the chrome seems good quality to cope with the marine air.

 

John Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: Shower head and sink tap replacement.

jjjk12s@...
 

You could try Penguin Engineering in Uk. They supply Barka Italian products. Not sure about the Super Maramu but the quality and appearance is a good replacement for older Amels. On their website click on products then taps and showers and there they are. Being European the threads compatability should be ok. I've had some for a few years and the chrome seems good quality to cope with the marine air.

 

John Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: Shower head and sink tap replacement.

rossirossix4
 

Does anyone have a source for the control/mixer/thermostat? Price? Key parts? I keep wondering what to do if it fails.  Amel Owner top priorities--Toilets, Engine and Fresh Water!  In that order.
Bob SM 429 KAIMI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shower head and sink tap replacement.

eric freedman
 

I was working on the Seagull water filter and noticed that they are not NPT threads like normal pipe. I found out that they are compression fitting threads which are a finer thread than NPT. Possibly the shower head is a compression fitting thread.

I found an adapter at my local hardware store.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 7:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shower head and sink tap replacement.

 

 

The showerheads are problematical. The fittings on the hoses don't fit ordinary sink type shower heads .  

Kent 

SM243

Kristy



On Mar 7, 2016, at 5:57 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

They are nothing special....

Equivalents are found in major plumbing shops...like Home Depot (US), Bunnings (AUS) ....just ordinary household stuff...I replaced the shower heads and tubings with domestic products from Bunnings  and I know that the units in the galley and the head sinks are just ordinary household units 'cos I had them in my house !! 

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: furlers gear box lubrication

eric freedman
 

I decided to not use Zerk grease  fittings on my gearboxes. I drilled and tapped the genoa and main gearboxes with a 5 mm tap. On one side of the box the hole is high the other side is low.

I then use nylon screws to seal off the holes. They will never rust or corrode.

I use an adapter that fits my grease gun from Autoprop which is 5 mm.

 

By putting grease in the lower hole and catching the old grease from the higher hole, I can tell when the box is full of new grease. In addition I do not have to worry about blowing the lip seal out of the gearbox.

You can also see that you have new grease and no water in the gearbox

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: furlers gear box lubrication

 

 

Hi Vladimir,

On the Santorin and, I believe, some SM's, the gearbox is a Bonfiglioli Model VF44 with configuration P1 70 P63 B14 B3.  That's a 70:1 reduction.  On SM's I believe Amel also used Leroy Somer products.  And, yes, these are standard worm gear reducing gearboxes - or riductori in Italian (I think).

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sonsev52@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

Thanks for good information.
Do you know Bofiglioli gear box part number for the gearbox that was modified for Amel application? Do you know the gearbox ratio? It is most likly warm gear box.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOG"

On Mar 7, 2016 1:25 PM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bonfiglioli specifies Shell Tivela S 320 or equivalent. They consider this gearbox to be "permanently lubricated" (hence no oil fill ports). 

They also design to a much different application with thousands of hours of running in a clean environment without regular dousing of sea water. Because heat is no issue for us and it needs to fit inside the mast, Amel removed the cooling fins, which you need to do if you replace it. Amel also used a different motor and drilled new mounting holes for it, and added delrin spacers.  

So, imho, the common sense recommendations on this db to add grease fittings and lubricate regularly with a high quality marine grease are what you should do. 

What are the conflicting recommendations have you gotten?

Why did yours crack? Are you fixing it or replacing it?

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <santorinlo18@...> wrote :

Hi, Which is the manufacturer's recommended lub for the furling gear boxes and its thickness? my gearbox has cracked and I seep getting conflicting recommendations fro 'experts'.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: furlers gear box lubrication

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Vladimir,
On the Santorin and, I believe, some SM's, the gearbox is a Bonfiglioli Model VF44 with configuration P1 70 P63 B14 B3.  That's a 70:1 reduction.  On SM's I believe Amel also used Leroy Somer products.  And, yes, these are standard worm gear reducing gearboxes - or riductori in Italian (I think).
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sonsev52@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

Thanks for good information.
Do you know Bofiglioli gear box part number for the gearbox that was modified for Amel application? Do you know the gearbox ratio? It is most likly warm gear box.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOG"

On Mar 7, 2016 1:25 PM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bonfiglioli specifies Shell Tivela S 320 or equivalent. They consider this gearbox to be "permanently lubricated" (hence no oil fill ports). 

They also design to a much different application with thousands of hours of running in a clean environment without regular dousing of sea water. Because heat is no issue for us and it needs to fit inside the mast, Amel removed the cooling fins, which you need to do if you replace it. Amel also used a different motor and drilled new mounting holes for it, and added delrin spacers.  
So, imho, the common sense recommendations on this db to add grease fittings and lubricate regularly with a high quality marine grease are what you should do. 
What are the conflicting recommendations have you gotten?
Why did yours crack? Are you fixing it or replacing it?
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <santorinlo18@...> wrote :

Hi, Which is the manufacturer's recommended lub for the furling gear boxes and its thickness? my gearbox has cracked and I seep getting conflicting recommendations fro 'experts'.
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

As Mike suggested I will pass on the nitty-gritty details (both the findings and my rationale for buying new) once I get my new engine installed and operational. I will also post photos of the salt and corrosion in the cylinder head. There were a number of factors that drove my final decision.

Delivery, unfortunately, is not until mid May. Volvo Penta builds these engines one at a time (unless you are a mass orderer like Amel). I decided to go with a more powerful but same footprint D3-150. It was actually a few hundred dollars less than the original D3-110 - why not?

Vladimir, looking forward to your "return."

Until then,
Jamie Wendell
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54


On Monday, March 7, 2016 6:30 PM, "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Good Day Jamie
Only as i'm wondering? You install a new engine in your amel 54?
What was your decision to do this investment? Saltwater intrusion ? And then you change the hole engine? Was it easy in terms of alignement we spoke a lot of in this forum ? 
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM/ Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 07.03.2016 um 19:01 schrieb James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.

I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.

Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?

Thanks,
Jamie Wendell
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54


On Sunday, March 6, 2016 4:07 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange. 
On Mar 6, 2016 2:57 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit.
However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 2:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 6, 2016 3:17 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Vladimir,
The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
Hi Eric,
You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.
I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.
Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.
Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.
On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.
I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.





Re: furlers gear box lubrication

Santorin LO
 

Thanks Craig, some are saying oil, some are saying Grease and one is actually recommending some mixture...however, Amel and all around the forum are mentioning grease though normally gear boxes traditionally goes with thick oil. 

My gear box cracked since it was not properly sealed following maintenance done last summer. Replacing it with a new one which I insisted to buy as spare few months ago.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

hanspeter baettig
 

Good Day Jamie
Only as i'm wondering? You install a new engine in your amel 54?
What was your decision to do this investment? Saltwater intrusion ? And then you change the hole engine? Was it easy in terms of alignement we spoke a lot of in this forum ? 
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM/ Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 07.03.2016 um 19:01 schrieb James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.

I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.

Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?

Thanks,
Jamie Wendell
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54


On Sunday, March 6, 2016 4:07 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange. 
On Mar 6, 2016 2:57 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit.
However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 2:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 6, 2016 3:17 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Vladimir,
The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
Hi Eric,
You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.
I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.
Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.
Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.
On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.
I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: furlers gear box lubrication

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Craig,

Thanks for good information.
Do you know Bofiglioli gear box part number for the gearbox that was modified for Amel application? Do you know the gearbox ratio? It is most likly warm gear box.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOG"

On Mar 7, 2016 1:25 PM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bonfiglioli specifies Shell Tivela S 320 or equivalent. They consider this gearbox to be "permanently lubricated" (hence no oil fill ports). 

They also design to a much different application with thousands of hours of running in a clean environment without regular dousing of sea water. Because heat is no issue for us and it needs to fit inside the mast, Amel removed the cooling fins, which you need to do if you replace it. Amel also used a different motor and drilled new mounting holes for it, and added delrin spacers.  
So, imho, the common sense recommendations on this db to add grease fittings and lubricate regularly with a high quality marine grease are what you should do. 
What are the conflicting recommendations have you gotten?
Why did yours crack? Are you fixing it or replacing it?
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi, Which is the manufacturer's recommended lub for the furling gear boxes and its thickness? my gearbox has cracked and I seep getting conflicting recommendations fro 'experts'.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Jamei,

I am very happy to hear from you.
Very sorry that you have to replase the engine. Is D3-150 Yanmar?

I just replased the mixing elbow. I bought new fabricated elbow. I did j want to try pin change. Because it too much risk that a pin breaks. I also could not find a shop that can fix cast elbow fast and inexpensive.

Currently I am handling all problems that are happening on the boat. I did not try to fix the watermaker. I will do that at home. I hope to be in Annapolis in May.

Write me: sonsev52@...

Will see you soon.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

 

Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.

I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.

Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?

Thanks,
Jamie Wendell
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54


On Sunday, March 6, 2016 4:07 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange. 
On Mar 6, 2016 2:57 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit.
However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 2:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 6, 2016 3:17 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Vladimir,
The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
Hi Eric,
You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.
I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.
Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3
 
 
This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.
Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.
On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.
I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rig Tuning

rossienio@...
 

Thanks Craigh for your attention. At week end I'll be in  the boat and , if weather is good, i try to loose  everything,  then i'll write the resut.regards Enio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: interesting article wind vs solar.

antonio scipioni
 

Hi 

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 28/feb/2016, alle ore 15:42, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

I have no opinion on the company, but I have cruised with both wind and solar.  There can be other considerations, but one thing I can say for sure based on my experience:


$1000 worth of solar panel will, in any week, generate much more power than the same dollars invested in wind generators.

The only exception was on an upwind passage, and who wants to do that for a week!

The guideline I learned, that worked in practice, was that the number of Amp-hours a solar installation will make at 24 volts is equal to 12% to 15% of its Wattage rating if installed horizontally.  So a 100 W panel will supply 12 to 15 Amp-hours per sunny day into a 24 volt battery. You can get a good deal more if you track the sun.

Bill Kinney


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rig Tuning

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Enio,
Yes, it would be much easier if we should all spoke each others language! But I think I understand you. Let us know what happens when you remove the rope baby stay.  
I do think you should not have to use the baby stay to tune your rig - if you loosen everything, including the lowers, your mast should be straight.  Is it?
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <rossienio@...> wrote :

Hi Craigh, I think my problem of reverse bend of the upper part of main mast, is due to a DEFORMATION produced by having kept too straight the forestay and the backstay too slow with strong winds.
Now I have losened the forestay, I put a rope as babystay that attaches to the crosses high and tight the backstay. So the mast seems ok, I hope that the mast remains that way even without baby. Greetings to all and i hope you understand wath I mean in Elglish. Regards. Enio