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Re: Stuffing box
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Ours started to leak in 2014 on the way north to Nova Scotia and it got progressively worse in the next few months. On the way south, we got tired of drying up the little cubby hole every day with a sponge and stopped at a marina in Georgia where with much, much effort they dug out 1 of the 3 stripes of packing and put one Imperial-sized (is this what you call non-metric?) strip of the stuff that is commonly available in the US, which I think is flax-based. The old packing looked similar to the new "grey" US packing material.
The fix lasted waterproof for only a couple of weeks but the leak never got as bad as previously. In Florida we received the metric packing from Amel, which is white, and which appears to be made from synthetic materials. It got installed and the white screw tightened as much as our experienced Amel mechanic felt it was possible to tighten it. By the time we reached La Rochelle there again was leakage, even if modest. The leakage had started almost immediately after we left Florida. The Amel mechanic tightened several turns (i.e., much more than what in Florida was believed to be "safe"). The thing has now been 100% waterproof for over six months. We are grateful to Eric of Kimberlite for the advice he gave us in Huntington to keep a spare set of packing and a spare white screw in a ziplock bag next to the autopilot ram. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K Nr. 350 (2002) docked in Barcelona
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stuffing box
Donato Valente
Good day everybody.
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I've read this interesting conversation about servicing/adjusting the rudder stuffing box. We've found a little leakage from the rudderpost and, based on your experiences, we would try to simply tighten the nylon nut instead of removing the quadrant. I'm referring to the cut-to-size wrench photo posted by Eric of Kimberlite. Since we are in Italy now and plan to fly to Cuba, would prefer have the wrench made before leaving and need then the sizes for that. Does anyone have these sizes ? We plan to sail from Cuba/Hemingway to Panama/St Blas early april. Will be pleased to smoke a cigar with any amelowner overthere. Thanks for your help Donato SM2000 OCEAN BIRD n.468 now in Cuba ---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote : As Bill mentioned a slight turn on the nut will stop your leak. I would have someone cut a short wrench for you out of aluminum plate. There is a photo on kimberlites section in the photos section. You need a large wrench and there is a small area to work. You just turn the nut till the leak stops and then align the nut with locking plate and you are done. Repacking the rudder stuffing box is tedious as the packing is rather hard to remove. I used a flat screwdriver as a chisel to remove all 3 rings of packing. I would suggest you get the packing from Amel as it is already precut, also a spare nut.
It was suggested by dow corning to use Molykote silicone grease it is specially formulated for packing. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:58 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stuffing box
Just tighten the nut about 1/4 turn and you will be fine
Bill BeBe 387
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:53 PM, thomas.kleman <no_reply@...> wrote:
I own L'ORIENT, SM2K #422, currently in Bonaire. I have a very slow drip from the stuffing box that increases somewhat in sailing conditions. I have read every post twice regarding this topic and hope the "old salts" can shed some light on this. My nylon nut under the quadrant is secured in place by a siezing plate (two screws) so a small tightening turn would involve re-siting this plate. I'm due for a haulout in about 6 months.
My inclination is to give it a small tightening turn and see if that improves things. My understanding is that with some finesse, this maneuver can be done without removing the quadrant and attachments. Can someone suggest a grease or materials used in repacking this if/when it comes to that ? If a better approach exists I'm all ears. I'm aware that a lot of things get broken on boats when over-reacting to small problems. Thanks.
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Re: Shower in the after lazaret
We replaced the standard Amel cockpit locker shower hose with a curly washdown type hose with a multi head on it. It's long enough to cover the whole boat...and the water is warm if the engine has been running recently. Given that you'd have to open the lazarette to use a plumbed in shower, which doesn't leave much space on the rear deck, our curly hose is a good option.
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shower in the after lazaret
Mark
A good idea, maybe try that, however do not work so well in murky weather, but we will try to avoid that Thanks Paul
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shower in the after lazaret
We use the fresh water wash in the locker next to the mizzen mast. We let the hose lay in the sun across the roof of the aft cabin while we swim. It can get darn hot – be careful.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: George Town – Great Exuma - Bahamas
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:01 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hello! We thinking of installing warm water shower in the after lazaret , but I have difficulties in finding a rout for our rather thin 12 mm Pex hose, is there any of you who have done this and can give any advice how to route the hose? Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shower in the after lazaret
Thank you Bill
After exploring how to route the hose to the after lazaret I had the ordinary compartment as the primary option but I thought I ask before starting the installation. Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shower in the after lazaret
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Paul, Since it is a watertight bulkhead, the wiring conduits are near the top on each side. Mine were plugged with foam and silicone. AND I am 100% sure that the wiring conduits will not bring you near a water source in the engine room. You might consider, as an alternative, a longer hose from the compartment on the starboard side of the mizzen mast. When we first bought our SM and Olivier was in Amel SAV, I ordered another hose and coupling fitting which doubled the length of that hose. Bill BeBe 387 St. Lucia
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:01 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Shower in the after lazaret
Hello! We thinking of installing warm water shower in the after lazaret , but I have difficulties in finding a rout for our rather thin 12 mm Pex hose, is there any of you who have done this and can give any advice how to route the hose?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
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Re: Diesel Space Heater
pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
Hi SY Peregrinus, I checked your recent messages but I can't discover your name. I would like to ask you a couple of questions regarding your heater installation. 1. Did you have the installation in La Rochelle done by Amel? 2. Do you have any difficulties in balancing the heat in different cabins? 3. I certainly wouldn't like the high pitched noise you've experienced because of a lack of silencer for the intake. Can that not be installed at all on our boats or is it just difficult? 4. How much did you pay for the installation? Many thanks. Gerhard Hoffmann SY Pepino SM381 Evia, Greece
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Passivating Stainless steel.
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
When stainless steel is welded , polished or cut as in the case of the Emek arches particularly the name cut outs the steel needs to be passivated. This is done in the shop usually with nitric acid. It removes the iron particles on the surface of the stainless which causes stainless to rust.
When installed, using a product called welders pickling gel will do the same thing. Polish makes the stainless look great for a short while but it removes the surface coating on stainless that prevents it from rusting. Try using the gel. Especially in the name cut outs and the welds. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: Atlantic Tower Arch
greatketch@...
Dear Jean-Pierre,
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I would be interested in the kind of things you did you your SM to make it more energy efficient. From what I have seen most people need at least 600W of solar panels before they really become a "solar boat". If you are doing that with only 450W of panels the kinds of things you did would be valuable to share. Bill Kinney Harmonie, SM #160 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <jgermain@...> wrote : Hello Gang, I performed a big refit at Emek. I am not a devotee of EMEK marine because of the poor quality of their work (I have lost one year of sailing to repair all their shoddy works) However, I have the Emek gantry/solar and it is very good, looks lovely and is sturdy enough to support our dinghy (especially after Riza retrofitted the diagonal strengthening bars). In addition, as we reworked the boat to be energy efficient, we had no difficulty maintaining 100% batteries in the Greek sun last summer. No genset use necessary except to run the AC.. Our panel capacity is 450 W. Ensure you specify a system breaker and a Victron MPPT (we had another make and it failed out of the box) GL with your purchase. Jean-Pierrre Eleuthera, SM007
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Re: Diesel Space Heater
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
John,
We had an Eberspächer Airtronic D5 installed in La Rochelle six months ago on No. 350 (2002). We've put somewhere between 100-200 hours on it so far. To address your questions: 1. It replaced the two fans. 2. We replaced the ducting inside the port side locker. This is just a few meters of ducting. Once the ducts approach the forward and aft walls of the locker, the new ducting simply connects with the original ducting. 3. Eberspächer sells silencer tubes for the intake and for the exhaust. We put a silencer on the exhaust to the aft cabin (replacing the factory ducting to the aft cabin inside the port side locker) and it makes a big difference in the aft cabin. 4. We wish had had space for a silencer for the intake. The high-pitch fan noise is not pleasant. 5. We installed two electronic controls: (a) one on the wall, to port of the watermaker controls. This is the default "EasyStart Select control unit" that comes in the box. Its orange backlight stays on anytime the main cabin 24V lighting breaker is depressed, indicating the current room temperature, etc. (b) the "EasyStart Remote+" remote control. This we keep in the aft cabin and we currently have it programmed to turn on everyday for 1 hour at sunrise, which is not possible with the default control unit. Cheerio, SM2K Nr. 350 Docked in Barcelona
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Atlantic Tower Arch
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Bill, The arches that I saw in Colombia had the base of the legs just slightly inside the backstays. The legs of the bridles already sit against the backstays . The bridle would then sit against the arch legs. We worked hard to keep the pressure off the backstays.
My real issue was having a wave rollover the top of the solar panels. We had many breaking waves roll over the top of the dodger. Oddly enough the vertical rear weather cloth Kept the waves from wiping out the cockpit. I had installed webbing on either side of the cloth so I could tie the weather cloth closed. I have since added more webbing. One of my crew is 6 ft 2” and was up to his armpits standing in the cockpit with a wave rolling over the top of the dodger.
I just don’t know how solar panels would have held up in those conditions. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:59 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Atlantic Tower Arch
Eric,
I believe that we should be concerned any time we add something that the SM was not designed for. I do not use the arch for dinghy transportation and prefer to lift the dinghy out of the water with the mizzen halyard, so that additional weight is never on the arch. That said, the windage of the solar panels could be an issue, but probably not more windage than a bimini. Regarding fair leads for the the Jordan Drogue, we checked this with the Arch legs that we had installed and everything is fine. We did not have the arch when we were in the small cyclone in the Bay of Bengal.
Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay, St. Lucia
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:28 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I Bill, I have been tossing around the idea of an arch. I saw quite a few in Colombia when the OCC and the ARC World was in the marina.
My concern is the damage that would be caused to Kimberlite if we were ever in a Hurricane again. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super M aramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Eric,
As you know the first arch Riza made for a SM was the arch on BeBe. I had challenged him to make something elegant telling him that I did not want something with just straight pipes. He did.
Our price installed was 6,000 euros, including 3 each Kyocera 135 watt panels, Victron Energy 75/50 MPPT, wiring and installation. He normally includes some remote controlled LED lighting with the arch. I chose not to get the lighting. I think that your price is better than ours was. It is not uncommon for me to see a SM with his arch. It is great for supporting the passerelle. I still transport the dinghy upside down on the mizzen deck.
Bill BeBe 387
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 3:27 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Just a FYI. I received a quote from Riza for his s/s arch $3500- plus $700- shipping to NY. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachto wners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I'm interested in this Arch and contacted the company. They are offering the arch for the Amel in Schedule 40 Aluminum Pipe and Schedule 80. Several members here have been satisfied with the arch and I wondered which one they had. The Schedule 40 is their standard. The schedule 80 is 38% thicker and will be about 25% "stronger".
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Space Heater
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning John ,
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Here are some pictures of my original Amel installation (which I took for a forum member). I personally have never used my Espar D5LC heater. According to the forum, this is not the best unit. Regardless here is how it is installed: http://www.nikimat.com/espar_d5lc.html Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic --------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/13/16, johnericmorton@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Space Heater To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 13, 2016, 12:13 AM We are in the North Island of NZ where the climate is temperate. We sail the Hauraki Gulf from our Auckland base, mostly trips of just a few nights, all year round. I want to install a diesel space heater (Eberspacher Airtronic or similar) for a bit of background heat for the colder winter nights. I can see a few posts on the topic going back a few years but no photos. I understand that some Amels have a factory fitted unit (4 to 5 KW) that replaces the two fans in the cockpit port locker. For NZ sailing in temperate climates we only need a couple of Kw of heat output so I would prefer to fit one of the smaller models, if practical. Our Super Maramu has the forced air ventilation system from the two fans in series. Does anyone have any photos of a heater installation? Does any of the existing ducting need to be replaced? Is the existing factory fitted fresh air ducting OK to use with the warm air from the diesel heater? Has anyone fitted a unit in the engine room rather than the cockpit locker? It would seem there is enough space. Many thanks in advance for any assistance / guidance. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NECO NM692 AUTOPILOT
Hello,
I´m still interested in buying one, I got mine working again, it was just a fuse, eventually I might have to migrate to a newer control unit. There is a Neco British technician living in Florida who can no longer help me with parts or repairs so he offered to provide me documentation to install a new unit using the existing Neco rotary motor for a donation. Still haven´t gotten back to him. Just to let you know. Thanks for the interest anyway. Alex SIMPATICO Oder Maramu #94 1981
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Atlantic Tower Arch
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Eric, I believe that we should be concerned any time we add something that the SM was not designed for. I do not use the arch for dinghy transportation and prefer to lift the dinghy out of the water with the mizzen halyard, so that additional weight is never on the arch. That said, the windage of the solar panels could be an issue, but probably not more windage than a bimini. Regarding fair leads for the the Jordan Drogue, we checked this with the Arch legs that we had installed and everything is fine. We did not have the arch when we were in the small cyclone in the Bay of Bengal. Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay, St. Lucia
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:28 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: NECO NM692 AUTOPILOT
jjjk12s@...
I might have one in a bit over a month or so as I have an electrician who says they can convert my NECO motor to operate with a Simrad control. The NECO control unit works fine but does operate quite a bit to keep a straight course. I presume this is normal and newer technology is much better at cancelling out unecessary movements and hence using less power.
John, Maramu #91 Popeye.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Space Heater
johnericmorton@...
Hi Eric
johnericmorton at hotmail dot com Thank you. John M. Wanderer SM#283
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Space Heater
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
John, Please send me your email address . I have many photos. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 12:14 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel Space Heater
We are in the North Island of NZ where the climate is temperate. We sail the Hauraki Gulf from our Auckland base, mostly trips of just a few nights, all year round. I want to install a diesel space heater (Eberspacher Airtronic or similar) for a bit of background heat for the colder winter nights.
I can see a few posts on the topic going back a few years but no photos. I understand that some Amels have a factory fitted unit (4 to 5 KW) that replaces the two fans in the cockpit port locker. For NZ sailing in temperate climates we only need a couple of Kw of heat output so I would prefer to fit one of the smaller models, if practical.
Our Super Maramu has the forced air ventilation system from the two fans in series. Does anyone have any photos of a heater installation? Does any of the existing ducting need to be replaced? Is the existing factory fitted fresh air ducting OK to use with the warm air from the diesel heater?
Has anyone fitted a unit in the engine room rather than the cockpit locker? It would seem there is enough space.
Many thanks in advance for any assistance / guidance.
John Morton
Wanderer
SM#283
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NECO NM692 AUTOPILOT
Hajé Weisfelt
Dear Alex, For my Sharki (104) we have one and living it. If for any reason you want tot sell tours for parts, I'm very interesten. Hajé
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